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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 18:35:56 GMT -5
How can you love when you don't know Grace..... Who doesn't know grace, grace with love and truth go hand in hand, miss one out then you have none. I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism.
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 18:43:05 GMT -5
How can you love when you don't know Grace..... I wonder if one of the two, or both, will answer that with Grace! Let's see. The nutjobs would have stoned the woman caught in the act of adultery because "God said so". Christ said you were never condemned in the first place. So how can one go around preaching "God Said So". The moral of the story, Just because you think "God said so" shows you have zero idea about grace!. And what was happening then, is still happening before our very eyes on TMB today. God doesn't change!. We play God!. Happened back then, still happens today.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 16, 2021 18:44:36 GMT -5
Who doesn't know grace, grace with love and truth go hand in hand, miss one out then you have none. I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. I recommend Chuck Swindoll's "Grace Awakening" to help gain a better understanding of Grace. It is a subject of life long learning
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 16, 2021 18:46:10 GMT -5
The gospel is the same in every generation; just as effective today to threaten someone with hell as it ever was. Two hundred years ago you had the same atheists like Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, or Robert Ingersoll that had large platforms and followings. They spoke out against hell and eternal torture just like people do today. But religion has always been most effective on children. If you scare a 5 or 6 year old with eternal torture the way that the workers do, it is just as effective in getting them to profess. We can be thankful that the truth is the same from generation to generation. That's from your western perspective. Don't apply that as one size fits all because its wrong. Just facts, not perspective. The genius of Jesus' message was that it preyed upon fears and vulnerabilities that all humans share. The fear of loneliness. The fear of being abandoned and left behind. The fear of being tortured without end. Nathan grew up with a very Eastern influence and perspective. Wally grew up with an overwhelmingly Western influence and perspective. Both provided good ground for the seed of the Truth. The only requirement is to be childlike. Think about how many times Jesus talked about that. "You must be converted and become like little children." Why? Because little children don't reason. God could speak to their hearts: "Believe or BURN"
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Post by fixit on Feb 16, 2021 18:51:21 GMT -5
Who doesn't know grace, grace with love and truth go hand in hand, miss one out then you have none. I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. Why haven't you left? The word "grace" is in the hymn book 167 times, including the following where the word is used in every verse... My heart o’erflows with praise to God alway, For needed grace He gives me day by day, Which is sufficient to enable me To fight the battle, gain the victory. How restful is my heart when this I know: According to my need, He’ll grace bestow. Midst fiery trials and when tempted sore, In tender care He points me to that door– The entrance of the quiet, secret place, Where I can wait before the throne of grace. While waiting there I’m cleansed from sin and fear, My strength renewed, the way made plain and clear. As in this present, evil world I see So much that would defile and hinder me, It surely causes me to cleave the more Unto the Lord, and have His grace in store, That in all things I may keep pure and clean, Still live for things this world has never seen. I long to live so that my life will show How much it means such boundless grace to know, That every weary, fearful soul I meet, Who day by day is suffering from defeat, Might through his tears and sorrows see in me What he could share through grace so rich and free. The One who knows the trials of each hour, Knows flesh would fail, how much I need His power; What rest it brings my heart to hear Him say, “I’ll give you grace, no power my hand can stay.” What rest it brings my heart to hear Him say, “I’ll give you grace, no power my hand can stay.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 18:52:26 GMT -5
it was written by a catholic named Rev. Frederick W Faber sometime before 1863 supposedly based on john 10 so probably. i did say it was a good one. but it says nothing about expressing love at the expense of truth. it says nothing about the blunt nature of Christ's teachings either... Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none. if you are just now wondering at what i am saying its probably time to go back through 7 pages of this thread and the other one and read it again....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 19:06:10 GMT -5
Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none. Exactly, and well said. It is like Love is a foreign concept to TMB's two high profile actors.
It drives people away rather than draw them in with love
if we are speaking God's truth that is love if we are speaking God's love that is truth. i've already said that before anyone else that the 2 are NOT mutually exclusive. however that isn't really what i was posting about near the beginning of a different thread that has spilled over to this one when i said the world will become one and it will use love at the expense of truth. they won't be bound by God's ways...good try though
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 16, 2021 19:30:39 GMT -5
I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. I recommend Chuck Swindoll's "Grace Awakening" to help gain a better understanding of Grace. It is a subject of life long learning Before giving your money to Chuck Swindle, I think we should remember the words of Hymn 281: I need no book by Thine own word, Nor can the thoughts of men afford, A light to be my guide
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 20:01:19 GMT -5
That's from your western perspective. Don't apply that as one size fits all because its wrong. Just facts, not perspective. The genius of Jesus' message was that it preyed upon fears and vulnerabilities that all humans share. The fear of loneliness. The fear of being abandoned and left behind. The fear of being tortured without end. Nathan grew up with a very Eastern influence and perspective. Wally grew up with an overwhelmingly Western influence and perspective. Both provided good ground for the seed of the Truth. The only requirement is to be childlike. Think about how many times Jesus talked about that. "You must be converted and become like little children." Why? Because little children don't reason. God could speak to their hearts: "Believe or BURN" You speak from a concept absence from the mind of the writers of Scripture. Your argument is founded on things that never were a thing until the western mind become involved. That's a fact you have not taken into account that underminds all your facts.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 16, 2021 21:34:10 GMT -5
I wonder if one of the two, or both, will answer that with Grace! Let's see. The nutjobs would have stoned the woman caught in the act of adultery because "God said so". Christ said you were never condemned in the first place. So how can one go around preaching "God Said So". The moral of the story, Just because you think "God said so" shows you have zero idea about grace!. And what was happening then, is still happening before our very eyes on TMB today. God doesn't change!. We play God!. Happened back then, still happens today. Jesus did NOT said that she wasn't condemned in the first place. You lack an understanding of the context of the story. If the people who brought her were really religious fanatics, they would have just stoned the woman. They would have never bothered consult Jesus about it. Rather, they were messing with the local religious nutjob, putting him between a rock and a hard place. If he said something stupid like you claim - that she wasn't condemned in the first place - Jesus would be contradicting the holy scriptures. If he started to stone her, he would get in trouble with the Romans and probably charged with murder. He didn't have authority to execute someone. Jesus did NOT take a protective stance toward this woman. Instead, he basically said, "well go ahead and stone her, I'm not going to intervene, but you go first". If someone had, he very well may have joined in to the glory of God. But they were all afraid of the worldly authorities more than the Lord. A very similar story actually happened in 2014 in New York City. A Bible-believing church put out a sign about how homosexuals should be stoned to death. A lesbian woman knocked on the door and told them she was there to be stoned and dared them to do it. They chickened out and she got to make fun of them on social media. www.huffpost.com/entry/lesbian-stoning-anti-gay-church_n_5000239
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 21:44:33 GMT -5
I wonder if one of the two, or both, will answer that with Grace! Let's see. The nutjobs would have stoned the woman caught in the act of adultery because "God said so". Christ said you were never condemned in the first place. So how can one go around preaching "God Said So". The moral of the story, Just because you think "God said so" shows you have zero idea about grace!. And what was happening then, is still happening before our very eyes on TMB today. God doesn't change!. We play God!. Happened back then, still happens today. that is NOT what he said... Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. you should stop quoting/paraphrasing scripture you are not any good at it and you are butchering it... atheist
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 21:53:02 GMT -5
well, apparently maggpie isn't gonna answer me anytime soon i wonder why. so here is my understanding/take on why Jesus was not married was single and was celibate FWIW...
here is what i said previously:
was Jesus celibate?
if NO, can you prove that?
if YES, Christ is the standard for the ministry and YES he was in the ministry. so why would we do different than that if in the ministry?
some one asked for proof for the YES...here is my YES...
1. there is no record from the 1st century that Jesus was married. there is no record from the 1st century gospels and books that Jesus was married. there is no record in the OT that the Messiah would be married to a human. 2. it says nowhere that he was a fornicator or an adulterer. if he had done either of those he was NOT the savior. the savior had to be a lamb like sacrifice with out spot or blemish 1Pe_1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: here it says he was the lamb: Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. and here Joh 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 3. here it says when he started in his ministry: Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age,(he may have been older though) here it shows what he was doing: Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 4. here it shows he was an example for us: Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. here is another place where someone is putting that into practice that was in the ministry: 1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 5. here Jesus describes being eunuch like in the kingdom: Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. 6. i did find one weak reference but NO source for Peter, Philip, Matthew, Thomas, James, and Judas and Jesus Brothers James and Jude that were married. but really in the NT only peter, james and jude are mentioned as married. this was probably because of the circumstances Christ found at the time he made his selections, but not the future ideal for the ministry. 7. i find it highly suspicious that the single most important being in the universe got married but not a peep about it in the 1st century books of the NT. 8. sex is carnal and even in a marriage where its justified its still a carnal act. If Christ had engaged in a carnal act he would no longer be the Christ/Jesus/Messiah. 9. and of course then we have Pauls word about remaining single/celibate in 1 Cor 7. This verse indicates the the concept of being celibate in the church and in his case the ministry was something still being taught roughly 20+ years after Christ ascended.
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 22:49:58 GMT -5
Who doesn't know grace, grace with love and truth go hand in hand, miss one out then you have none. I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. I have heard many times of the Grace of God in our meetings.. Anyway what is 2x2ism? If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit.
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 22:51:36 GMT -5
I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. Why haven't you left? The word "grace" is in the hymn book 167 times, including the following where the word is used in every verse... My heart o’erflows with praise to God alway, For needed grace He gives me day by day, Which is sufficient to enable me To fight the battle, gain the victory. How restful is my heart when this I know: According to my need, He’ll grace bestow. Midst fiery trials and when tempted sore, In tender care He points me to that door– The entrance of the quiet, secret place, Where I can wait before the throne of grace. While waiting there I’m cleansed from sin and fear, My strength renewed, the way made plain and clear. As in this present, evil world I see So much that would defile and hinder me, It surely causes me to cleave the more Unto the Lord, and have His grace in store, That in all things I may keep pure and clean, Still live for things this world has never seen. I long to live so that my life will show How much it means such boundless grace to know, That every weary, fearful soul I meet, Who day by day is suffering from defeat, Might through his tears and sorrows see in me What he could share through grace so rich and free. The One who knows the trials of each hour, Knows flesh would fail, how much I need His power; What rest it brings my heart to hear Him say, “I’ll give you grace, no power my hand can stay.” What rest it brings my heart to hear Him say, “I’ll give you grace, no power my hand can stay.” Absolutely
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 22:53:43 GMT -5
Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none. if you are just now wondering at what i am saying its probably time to go back through 7 pages of this thread and the other one and read it again.... Yes I know you have stated it before, but there has to be a practice of them together otherwise there is no meaning to them.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 5:04:36 GMT -5
The nutjobs would have stoned the woman caught in the act of adultery because "God said so". Christ said you were never condemned in the first place. So how can one go around preaching "God Said So". The moral of the story, Just because you think "God said so" shows you have zero idea about grace!. And what was happening then, is still happening before our very eyes on TMB today. God doesn't change!. We play God!. Happened back then, still happens today. Jesus did NOT said that she wasn't condemned in the first place. You lack an understanding of the context of the story. If the people who brought her were really religious fanatics, they would have just stoned the woman. They would have never bothered consult Jesus about it. Rather, they were messing with the local religious nutjob, putting him between a rock and a hard place. If he said something stupid like you claim - that she wasn't condemned in the first place - Jesus would be contradicting the holy scriptures. If he started to stone her, he would get in trouble with the Romans and probably charged with murder. He didn't have authority to execute someone. Jesus did NOT take a protective stance toward this woman. Instead, he basically said, "well go ahead and stone her, I'm not going to intervene, but you go first". If someone had, he very well may have joined in to the glory of God. But they were all afraid of the worldly authorities more than the Lord. A very similar story actually happened in 2014 in New York City. A Bible-believing church put out a sign about how homosexuals should be stoned to death. A lesbian woman knocked on the door and told them she was there to be stoned and dared them to do it. They chickened out and she got to make fun of them on social media. www.huffpost.com/entry/lesbian-stoning-anti-gay-church_n_5000239Yes he did, neither did he condemn her. Note the order, It wasn't "stop sinning so you won't be condemned", it was your not condemned so stop sinning, thats grace, she was never condemned in the first place. Understand grace, Understand Yom Kippur then Understand Christ's death. Then you will Understand why she was never condemned in the first place. Yes they were religious fanatics. Understand why. No he wouldn't have gotten in trouble by the Romans. He did have the authority. Understand why. Understand why they took her to him in the first place. Saying Jesus would have joined in on the stonning or didn't care for the women is ignorant of the things above. Semikahah and Yoke are a few key things to understand what was going on. Your example and trying to liken it to what was going on has no relation whatsoever and shows you have no idea of the context you claim to have knowledge of.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 5:12:51 GMT -5
I think most cannot fathom Grace. Me included. 2x2ism is absent Grace. If 2x2ism taught grace everyone would leave 2x2ism. I have heard many times of the Grace of God in our meetings.. Anyway what is 2x2ism? If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit. 2x2ism is this: "If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit" Everyone has God's spirit, 2x2ism doesn't teach you what God's spirit is just like it doesn't teach you what grace is. Sure they use the words, but they're absent meaning outside of 2x2ism. Look at what God's spirit was to the Hebrew people, it was nothing like 2x2ism preaches. Grace allows you to ditch 2x2ism, so as if they would ever preach that......
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 5:22:37 GMT -5
The nutjobs would have stoned the woman caught in the act of adultery because "God said so". Christ said you were never condemned in the first place. So how can one go around preaching "God Said So". The moral of the story, Just because you think "God said so" shows you have zero idea about grace!. And what was happening then, is still happening before our very eyes on TMB today. God doesn't change!. We play God!. Happened back then, still happens today. that is NOT what he said... Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. you should stop quoting/paraphrasing scripture you are not any good at it and you are butchering it... atheist Was she condemned?. Begin to understand Grace before you answer.
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Post by speak on Feb 17, 2021 8:56:25 GMT -5
I have heard many times of the Grace of God in our meetings.. Anyway what is 2x2ism? If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit. 2x2ism is this: "If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit" Everyone has God's spirit, 2x2ism doesn't teach you what God's spirit is just like it doesn't teach you what grace is. Sure they use the words, but they're absent meaning outside of 2x2ism. Look at what God's spirit was to the Hebrew people, it was nothing like 2x2ism preaches. Grace allows you to ditch 2x2ism, so as if they would ever preach that...... Don't know where you have been listening but I surely have been taught of God's grace, of His Spirit, of His love, of His Compassion. It is through His Spirit He teaches of His grace they go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 17, 2021 10:55:50 GMT -5
I have heard many times of the Grace of God in our meetings.. Anyway what is 2x2ism? If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit. 2x2ism is this: "If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit" Everyone has God's spirit, 2x2ism doesn't teach you what God's spirit is just like it doesn't teach you what grace is. Sure they use the words, but they're absent meaning outside of 2x2ism. Look at what God's spirit was to the Hebrew people, it was nothing like 2x2ism preaches. Grace allows you to ditch 2x2ism, so as if they would ever preach that...... Ummm excuse me but we said grace before every meal. That makes sure that the worldlings know that we are different. Plus it gives God the credit for the food and boosts his self esteem rather than the sinful humans who worked hard to tend the crops, purchase the food, or do the cooking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:51:08 GMT -5
that is NOT what he said... Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. you should stop quoting/paraphrasing scripture you are not any good at it and you are butchering it... atheist Was she condemned?. Begin to understand Grace before you answer. according to the law YES. then that little bit about Christ having the power to forgive sins happened. that did not however change her previous condition she was found in before Christ intervened...good try though atheist
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 17, 2021 14:22:15 GMT -5
Jesus did NOT said that she wasn't condemned in the first place. You lack an understanding of the context of the story. If the people who brought her were really religious fanatics, they would have just stoned the woman. They would have never bothered consult Jesus about it. Rather, they were messing with the local religious nutjob, putting him between a rock and a hard place. If he said something stupid like you claim - that she wasn't condemned in the first place - Jesus would be contradicting the holy scriptures. If he started to stone her, he would get in trouble with the Romans and probably charged with murder. He didn't have authority to execute someone. Jesus did NOT take a protective stance toward this woman. Instead, he basically said, "well go ahead and stone her, I'm not going to intervene, but you go first". If someone had, he very well may have joined in to the glory of God. But they were all afraid of the worldly authorities more than the Lord. A very similar story actually happened in 2014 in New York City. A Bible-believing church put out a sign about how homosexuals should be stoned to death. A lesbian woman knocked on the door and told them she was there to be stoned and dared them to do it. They chickened out and she got to make fun of them on social media. www.huffpost.com/entry/lesbian-stoning-anti-gay-church_n_5000239Yes he did, neither did he condemn her. Note the order, It wasn't "stop sinning so you won't be condemned", it was your not condemned so stop sinning, thats grace, she was never condemned in the first place. Understand grace, Understand Yom Kippur then Understand Christ's death. Then you will Understand why she was never condemned in the first place. Yes they were religious fanatics. Understand why. No he wouldn't have gotten in trouble by the Romans. He did have the authority. Understand why. Understand why they took her to him in the first place. Saying Jesus would have joined in on the stonning or didn't care for the women is ignorant of the things above. Semikahah and Yoke are a few key things to understand what was going on. Your example and trying to liken it to what was going on has no relation whatsoever and shows you have no idea of the context you claim to have knowledge of. John 18:31: "Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death"
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Post by fixit on Feb 17, 2021 14:39:57 GMT -5
Yes he did, neither did he condemn her. Note the order, It wasn't "stop sinning so you won't be condemned", it was your not condemned so stop sinning, thats grace, she was never condemned in the first place. Understand grace, Understand Yom Kippur then Understand Christ's death. Then you will Understand why she was never condemned in the first place. Yes they were religious fanatics. Understand why. No he wouldn't have gotten in trouble by the Romans. He did have the authority. Understand why. Understand why they took her to him in the first place. Saying Jesus would have joined in on the stonning or didn't care for the women is ignorant of the things above. Semikahah and Yoke are a few key things to understand what was going on. Your example and trying to liken it to what was going on has no relation whatsoever and shows you have no idea of the context you claim to have knowledge of. John 18:31: "Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death" The Romans gave the Jewish authorities jurisdiction over religious affairs but stopping short of putting anyone to death. The Romans reserved that privilege for themselves. So if Jesus said to stone the woman he would have been accused of breaking Roman law. If he had said don't stone her, he would have been accused of breaking Jewish law. If he had said they were being a bit mean wanting to stone her, the Wallys and the Nathans of the day would have accused him of being wishy washy and promoting love at the expense of truth.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 15:45:48 GMT -5
Yes he did, neither did he condemn her. Note the order, It wasn't "stop sinning so you won't be condemned", it was your not condemned so stop sinning, thats grace, she was never condemned in the first place. Understand grace, Understand Yom Kippur then Understand Christ's death. Then you will Understand why she was never condemned in the first place. Yes they were religious fanatics. Understand why. No he wouldn't have gotten in trouble by the Romans. He did have the authority. Understand why. Understand why they took her to him in the first place. Saying Jesus would have joined in on the stonning or didn't care for the women is ignorant of the things above. Semikahah and Yoke are a few key things to understand what was going on. Your example and trying to liken it to what was going on has no relation whatsoever and shows you have no idea of the context you claim to have knowledge of. John 18:31: "Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death" And Saul approved of their killing him. On that day a great persecution broke out against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.Godly men buried Stephen and mourned deeply for him.But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison. - Acts 8:1-3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts8:1-3&version=NIVIf Jesus said "Yep the Torah says stone her" and he said nothing else they would have stoned her, would she have died who knows. Understand a "rabbais yoke". Stop being a literalist.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 15:55:21 GMT -5
John 18:31: "Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death" The Romans gave the Jewish authorities jurisdiction over religious affairs but stopping short of putting anyone to death. The Romans reserved that privilege for themselves. So if Jesus said to stone the woman he would have been accused of breaking Roman law. If he had said don't stone her, he would have been accused of breaking Jewish law. If he had said they were being a bit mean wanting to stone her, the Wallys and the Nathans of the day would have accused him of being wishy washy and promoting love at the expense of truth. They were testing his yoke!. If he stopped at Moses say's Stone her, so Stone her, they would have stoned her and Jesus would have not faced any repercussions.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 16:02:14 GMT -5
Was she condemned?. Begin to understand Grace before you answer. according to the law YES. then that little bit about Christ having the power to forgive sins happened. that did not however change her previous condition she was found in before Christ intervened...good try though atheist Condemned by the law... hmmmm a bit like you condemn me by your law. Luckily it's not worth tuppence. She was never condemned in the first place. The lamb was slain when wally?. Jesus said there will never be enough witnesses to condemn her, so how was she condemned?.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 16:05:09 GMT -5
2x2ism is this: "If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit" Everyone has God's spirit, 2x2ism doesn't teach you what God's spirit is just like it doesn't teach you what grace is. Sure they use the words, but they're absent meaning outside of 2x2ism. Look at what God's spirit was to the Hebrew people, it was nothing like 2x2ism preaches. Grace allows you to ditch 2x2ism, so as if they would ever preach that...... Ummm excuse me but we said grace before every meal. That makes sure that the worldlings know that we are different. Plus it gives God the credit for the food and boosts his self esteem rather than the sinful humans who worked hard to tend the crops, purchase the food, or do the cooking. yep, you so deserve a earth that can supply your every need. Remind me again what you did to deserve it?.
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Post by chuck on Feb 17, 2021 16:08:41 GMT -5
2x2ism is this: "If you don't understand God's grace you don't have His Spirit" Everyone has God's spirit, 2x2ism doesn't teach you what God's spirit is just like it doesn't teach you what grace is. Sure they use the words, but they're absent meaning outside of 2x2ism. Look at what God's spirit was to the Hebrew people, it was nothing like 2x2ism preaches. Grace allows you to ditch 2x2ism, so as if they would ever preach that...... Don't know where you have been listening but I surely have been taught of God's grace, of His Spirit, of His love, of His Compassion. It is through His Spirit He teaches of His grace they go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other. Grace says you did nothing to deserve it, so why do you need 2x2 tradition and rituals?. You said yourself that you need it. If you need it what was grace for?
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