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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2021 12:58:31 GMT -5
They will BELIEVE Jesus from Venus/heaven when he appears in the SKY! soon to give them the resurrection bodies to rule and reign with Him for 1000 years on the earth. And you 2x2 atheists will be like the 5 foolish virgins standing outside the gate weeping with regrets and sorrow.
Rev. 20:4-10 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. It's just mythology Nathan..... don't waste your precious life on following fools. Like Jesus had said about the 5 foolish virgins. The 2x2s atheists will be like the 5 foolish virgins standing outside the gate weeping with regrets and sorrow. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 15:48:36 GMT -5
i have not heard anything bad about nathan in my region while he was in the work. however one of your own workers came on here and questioned what you are doing in the truth. maybe its time for you to re-evaluate your elder position in our church along with your pals before you do any more destruction. with all due respect of course... Just wondering, Wally...do American hymn books have some of the pages stuck (or torn out)? We sing the following words Downunder, but it wouldn't fit with yours and Nate's gospel... Was there e’er so kind a Shepherd, One so gentle yet so great, As the Saviour, who would have us Come and gather round His feet? There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, Like the wideness of the sea; There’s a kindness in His justice, Which is more than liberty. There is no place where earth’s sorrows Are more felt than up in heaven; There is no place where earth’s failings Have such kindly judgment given. For the love of God is broader Than the measure of man’s mind, And the heart of the Eternal Is most wonderfully kind. In fact all of our hymns would have mention of love in one manner or other, it is sad to see talk different to what we sing.
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 15:50:31 GMT -5
Just wondering, Wally...do American hymn books have some of the pages stuck (or torn out)? We sing the following words Downunder, but it wouldn't fit with yours and Nate's gospel... Was there e’er so kind a Shepherd, One so gentle yet so great, As the Saviour, who would have us Come and gather round His feet? There’s a wideness in God’s mercy, Like the wideness of the sea; There’s a kindness in His justice, Which is more than liberty. There is no place where earth’s sorrows Are more felt than up in heaven; There is no place where earth’s failings Have such kindly judgment given. For the love of God is broader Than the measure of man’s mind, And the heart of the Eternal Is most wonderfully kind. that is a hymn(but a good one)not the bible and from the bible we know Love does not come at the expense of truth and Christ, The Baptist, Paul and other were quite blunt in their telling the truth of the matter... Would you say that that hymn was linked by it's words to the Spirit of Jesus Christ?
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 15:52:58 GMT -5
Take a break Nate, it's doing your head in. Doing or done? It will never be realised.
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 15:55:01 GMT -5
*** Too many down under non exclusive 2x2s have become exes and many are hardcore atheists eventually. We see some of 2x2 non-exclusive in U.S. growing but they know the workers do NOT put up with them... We see in the case of Brandon from Texas! The overseer and Brandon church elders allowed him to attend the meetings but didn't allow him to speak! Brandon non-exclusive belief ideas, opinions caused too much disturbance at convention testimony time and Sunday morning meetings. They asked him NOT to speak in his Sunday meetings but he was welcome to take parts of the emblems. Not long after that he joined his girlfriend church and left the 2x2 on his own. I predict many of you 2x2 non-exclusive down under will end up like Brandon leave 2x2 group on your own. Those who decide to stay will NOT be happy from within. I predict that if you were to publically preach in a fellowship meeting or at a convention your Hollow Venus bull sh-e that you would be gone by lunch time. He won't because he knows the consequences. No conviction.
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2021 15:59:10 GMT -5
that is a hymn(but a good one)not the bible and from the bible we know Love does not come at the expense of truth and Christ, The Baptist, Paul and other were quite blunt in their telling the truth of the matter... Would you say that that hymn was linked by it's words to the Spirit of Jesus Christ? God and Christ in their mercy called His People OUT from the RCC and 60,000 plus Protestant denomination, you 2x2s non-exclusive from down under tell them to STAY where they are and the 2x2s join them....Lovey and Dovey with them. God's forbid!
Rev. 18:1-5 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. ~~ God, Christ and Holy Spirit have called Many friends like me, and most of the early workers and the friends to GET OUT from MANY Protestant denominations and the RCC for 2000 years and here you non-exclusive 2x2 tell us to LOVEY and DOVEY with them, feel free to go back to them because we are ONE big family of God= ALL SAVED.... That is the voice of Satan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 16:15:56 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go.
Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 16:24:50 GMT -5
I should have worded it better. The only command to go in pairs was in luke 10, That's it. Matthew 10 was only to Israel. I am not denying they went in pairs after luke 10. But they went alone also, and in different size groups. 1 year or 2000 years, does not mean celibate homeless 2x2 is the only way. It means if you think it's the only way you have grabbed a small portion of scripture out of context and applied it inappropriately. Luke 22. Ephesians 4:11 1 Corinthians 9:5,6 John 19:27 *** Your understanding of Scriptures are NOT 100% correct about going in pairs only in Israel that is false. God had promised the Jews He would give Israel the first chance or opportunity in hearing the gospel of Jesus so, He sent two groups the 12 and 70 apostles and instructed them NOT to go to the Gentiles at this time. In Matthew 28 the Great Commission Jesus Commanded the apostles to go to the Gentiles nations and to all the world until He comes again. In the book of Acts we read the apostles continue going in pairs, sometimes in 3 or in small groups through the centuries, even to our days. I agree I am not 100% correct. It is not false that the command was only given to preach in pairs to Israel because it was only given to them when preaching in Israel. We can see many examples of them alone after luke 10 so taking the command of Luke 10 and applying it to everything else is what's false Nathan. Matthew 28 Luke 22 Ephesians 4 1 Corinthians 9 John 19 Acts 8 Acts 10 All above support what I am saying. Does this mean you cant go in pairs or that it's wrong to go in pairs... Definitely not!. What is wrong is you and other zealous 2x2's insisting 2x2ism is the truth, the only way, the right way and what ever other romantic lingo you want to attach to it, because that is clearly false!.
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 16:28:42 GMT -5
Nope. Your mumbo-jumbo, anti-science, literalistic, hard-line, love-deficient preaching is more likely to lead to Atheism. The retention rate in New Zealand has been pretty good compared with other countries. I have seen the result on TMB for over 20 years, and outside of TMB for 40 years, elder. Remember, what happened to the non-exclusive worker John Long in 1907, how he was excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship. It was NOT by accident the overseer, senior workers excommunicated him, it was moved and done by the Holy Spirit to preserve the Truth and Way of God from joining/going back the Harlot/RCC and 60,000 plus of her daughter denominations, on the earth to the time of Jesus returns to establish His eternal Kingdom on earth for 1000 years.
Nathan your continual reference to John Long pretty much screams, "WE ARE GOD! AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL" Which bit is the holy spirit?, Id say the "WE" bit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 16:29:51 GMT -5
that is a hymn(but a good one)not the bible and from the bible we know Love does not come at the expense of truth and Christ, The Baptist, Paul and other were quite blunt in their telling the truth of the matter... Would you say that that hymn was linked by it's words to the Spirit of Jesus Christ? it was written by a catholic named Rev. Frederick W Faber sometime before 1863 supposedly based on john 10 so probably. i did say it was a good one. but it says nothing about expressing love at the expense of truth. it says nothing about the blunt nature of Christ's teachings either...
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 16:30:15 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine Repentence by Guilt is EVIL!
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2021 16:34:09 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine You exes and 2x2s non-exclusive THINK alike believing and hearing from the same VOICE of Satan.... ALL Roads lead to Rome! ALL Lovey and Dovey... But according to Jesus teachings it ain't so.Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-23 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2021 16:40:02 GMT -5
I have seen the result on TMB for over 20 years, and outside of TMB for 40 years, elder. Remember, what happened to the non-exclusive worker John Long in 1907, how he was excommunicated from the ministry and the fellowship. It was NOT by accident the overseer, senior workers excommunicated him, it was moved and done by the Holy Spirit to preserve the Truth and Way of God from joining/going back the Harlot/RCC and 60,000 plus of her daughter denominations, on the earth to the time of Jesus returns to establish His eternal Kingdom on earth for 1000 years.
Nathan your continual reference to John Long pretty much screams, "WE ARE GOD! AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL" Which bit is the holy spirit?, Id say the "WE" bit. No, AGREE and BELIEVE in the LORD God Jesus Christ New Testament teachings or you/non-exclusive 2x2 and anyone like you will burn in the lake of fire... Those are His words NOT mine, elder.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 16:40:21 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine ummm Maclaine lives about 15 miles from me part time at least. she thinks in a former life she was the brother of ramtha a 35,000 year old warrior AKA channeler J.Z Knight. so you think Shushy/Nathan are nutjobs but listen to and quote Maclaine? she's also a UFO and extra-terrestrial guru...and is also known for at least one anti-semetic viewpoint... i guess ones just gotta laugh...
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Post by nathan on Feb 16, 2021 16:47:30 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine ummm Maclaine lives about 15 miles from me part time at least. she thinks in a former life she was the brother of ramtha a 35,000 year old warrior AKA channeler J.Z Knight. so you think Shushy/Nathan are nutjobs but listen to and quote Maclaine? she's also a UFO and extra-terrestrial guru...and is also known for at least one anti-semetic viewpoint... i guess ones just gotta laugh... Redback is the non-exclusive Christian who believes ALL roads/religions lead to Rome/God.... That is the voice of Satan when Jesus said "I am the WAY the TRUTH and LIFE no MAN cometh unto God the Father but through me."
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 17:40:24 GMT -5
Would you say that that hymn was linked by it's words to the Spirit of Jesus Christ? it was written by a catholic named Rev. Frederick W Faber sometime before 1863 supposedly based on john 10 so probably. i did say it was a good one. but it says nothing about expressing love at the expense of truth. it says nothing about the blunt nature of Christ's teachings either... Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none.
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 18:17:46 GMT -5
Nathan your continual reference to John Long pretty much screams, "WE ARE GOD! AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL" Which bit is the holy spirit?, Id say the "WE" bit. No, AGREE and BELIEVE in the LORD God Jesus Christ New Testament teachings or you/non-exclusive 2x2 and anyone like you will burn in the lake of fire... Those are His words NOT mine, elder.
That's a copout Nathan. I have continually shown that from a Hebraic perspective your interpretation of scripture is dubious at best. That doesn't mean I am right FWIW but it does show the alarming signs of "See it our way or Burn" because its just not possible in your mind that it can be seen any other way because you are so finely intune with God that it is impossible anyone not like could even begin to understand scripture and God thefore you boast what you say is what God and the scriptures say. You are your own God Nathan! and that gives you license to wipe your hands of the implications of daring to go against your religion(2x2ism) because God. IE yourself!. Massive copout fuelled by arrogance.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 16, 2021 18:20:35 GMT -5
I predict that if you were to publically preach in a fellowship meeting or at a convention your Hollow Venus bull sh-e that you would be gone by lunch time. He won't because he knows the consequences. No conviction. You are right speak, he wouldn't because he knows what would happen, all he is doing is trying to "big note" himself on TMB !
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 16, 2021 18:22:44 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine The gospel is the same in every generation; just as effective today to threaten someone with hell as it ever was. Two hundred years ago you had the same atheists like Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, or Robert Ingersoll that had large platforms and followings. They spoke out against hell and eternal torture just like people do today. But religion has always been most effective on children. If you scare a 5 or 6 year old with eternal torture the way that the workers do, it is just as effective in getting them to profess. We can be thankful that the truth is the same from generation to generation.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 16, 2021 18:24:10 GMT -5
Nathan your continual reference to John Long pretty much screams, "WE ARE GOD! AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL" Which bit is the holy spirit?, Id say the "WE" bit. No, AGREE and BELIEVE in the LORD God Jesus Christ New Testament teachings or you/non-exclusive 2x2 and anyone like you will burn in the lake of fire... Those are His words NOT mine, elder.
Nathan, I think that those who is so sure they know everything there is to be knowed and believe they have a right to pass judgement on others are more apt themselves to come to the end that you are predicting! (the is if there really is a "lake of fire," which luckily there isn't)
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 16, 2021 18:24:35 GMT -5
Nathan your continual reference to John Long pretty much screams, "WE ARE GOD! AGREE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL" Which bit is the holy spirit?, Id say the "WE" bit. No, AGREE and BELIEVE in the LORD God Jesus Christ New Testament teachings or you/non-exclusive 2x2 and anyone like you will burn in the lake of fire... Those are His words NOT mine, elder.
So that is where you mate Stranges will end up nathan, because he didn't BELIEVE in the 2x2 church !!
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 18:25:20 GMT -5
The message of fear, Hell and brimstone drives people away and is out of date. May have worked 100 years ago, not now. Smart people realise that a love and compassion message is the better way to go. Fear makes strangers of people who would be friends. Shirley MacLaine The gospel is the same in every generation; just as effective today to threaten someone with hell as it ever was. Two hundred years ago you had the same atheists like Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, or Robert Ingersoll that had large platforms and followings. They spoke out against hell and eternal torture just like people do today. But religion has always been most effective on children. If you scare a 5 or 6 year old with eternal torture the way that the workers do, it is just as effective in getting them to profess. We can be thankful that the truth is the same from generation to generation. That's from your western perspective. Don't apply that as one size fits all because its wrong.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 16, 2021 18:26:08 GMT -5
it was written by a catholic named Rev. Frederick W Faber sometime before 1863 supposedly based on john 10 so probably. i did say it was a good one. but it says nothing about expressing love at the expense of truth. it says nothing about the blunt nature of Christ's teachings either... Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none. Exactly, and well said. It is like Love is a foreign concept to TMB's two high profile actors.
It drives people away rather than draw them in with love
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Post by chuck on Feb 16, 2021 18:27:12 GMT -5
Why do you say at the expense of truth? What is, has been at the expense of truth? It seems like you want truth at the expense of Love? they go hand in hand, leave one out and you have none. Exactly, and well said. It is like Love is a foreign concept to TMB's two high profile actors.
It drives people away rather than draw them in with love
How can you love when you don't know Grace.....
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 16, 2021 18:29:49 GMT -5
No, AGREE and BELIEVE in the LORD God Jesus Christ New Testament teachings or you/non-exclusive 2x2 and anyone like you will burn in the lake of fire... Those are His words NOT mine, elder.
That's a copout Nathan. I have continually shown that from a Hebraic perspective your interpretation of scripture is dubious at best. That doesn't mean I am right FWIW but it does show the alarming signs of "See it our way or Burn" because its just not possible in your mind that it can be seen any other way because you are so finely intune with God that it is impossible anyone not like could even begin to understand scripture and God thefore you boast what you say is what God and the scriptures say. You are your own God Nathan! and that gives you license to wipe your hands of the implications of daring to go against your religion(2x2ism) because God. IE yourself!. Massive copout fuelled by arrogance. You have summed it up chuck, nathan thinks he is God and that he is perfect, he is so busy calling others non-exclusive yet preaches crap on here about Frank Stranges and believes all the Venus rubbish. He would have to be the most non-exclusive person on TMB !
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Post by speak on Feb 16, 2021 18:31:16 GMT -5
Exactly, and well said. It is like Love is a foreign concept to TMB's two high profile actors.
It drives people away rather than draw them in with love
How can you love when you don't know Grace..... Who doesn't know grace, grace with love and truth go hand in hand, miss one out then you have none.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 16, 2021 18:34:03 GMT -5
Exactly, and well said. It is like Love is a foreign concept to TMB's two high profile actors.
It drives people away rather than draw them in with love
How can you love when you don't know Grace..... I wonder if one of the two, or both, will answer that with Grace! Let's see.
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Post by Pragmatic on Feb 16, 2021 18:35:40 GMT -5
Luke 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
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