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Post by janj on Feb 19, 2023 14:48:06 GMT -5
Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education? Same thing is happening in Australia, some people have said they are sending their kids to the Christian schools because of the values not the religion. So you have to ask yourselves why do they have these values when other schools dont?
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Post by chuck on Feb 19, 2023 18:05:09 GMT -5
Same thing is happening in Australia, some people have said they are sending their kids to the Christian schools because of the values not the religion. So you have to ask yourselves why do they have these values when other schools dont? Because the ideas that have shaped the west are still alive in private schools. Public schools are slowly killing them out and replacing it with radical left ideology, near or at the top of that list are things like trying to sexualise our little kids and make our little boys feel guilty for something they haven't done...... Not all public schools are bad, and not all private schools are great, its just a trend that's starting to happen and the level of radical left curriculum taught all depends on the teachers, luckily we have not been exposed to this but I think it's about to start.
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Post by chuck on Feb 19, 2023 18:18:40 GMT -5
Same thing is happening in Australia, some people have said they are sending their kids to the Christian schools because of the values not the religion. And then there is this in the US: Public schools tend to require and prioritize the same teaching credentials and certifications. A minimum of a Bachelor's degree in Education is needed for all public school teaching positions today and Mathematics and Language Arts concentrations are commonly most appealing. Teaching jobs are usually assigned by area of specialty. The credentials required for private school teaching positions are not as consistent. Some private schools might mandate that all of their teachers have Master's degrees or particular certifications, while others might not require official teaching degrees at all. Many Montessori schools, for example, will allow you to teach at the Early Childhood level with a high school diploma and training. when parochial schools stopped teaching "yes Mama and no Sir" they started to slide but Latin? Now that was a real lose. If one can't read Virgil's, Aeneid in Latin why even bother going to school? maybe I worry over nothing becasue after all they still speak classical French in Gites, don't they? Well maybe not but I bet if one travels to Quebec they might hear Québécois French, vowels with nasal intonation are even more nasalized. The ‘un’ sound has virtually disappeared from Standard French, but it is still spoken in Québécois French. The high vowels i, u, and ou are pronounced laxing when used in closed syllables in Québécois French. In Standard French, vowels that used to have a long pronunciation three centuries ago no longer do, but in Québécois French, that old pronunciation remains. For example, words like “mâle” and “mal”, “pâte” and “patte”, “faîte” and “faites”, “maître” and “mettre” sound virtually the same in Metropolitan French, though not in spoken Québécois French. But here at home I can on occasion hear Acadian French butchered by Cajuns. However, the sausage is still quite good. Credentials are down the list of our worries imo. Teaching our kids English in English class instead of sexualising them in English class is more concerning to me.
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Post by verna on Feb 19, 2023 18:36:17 GMT -5
And then there is this in the US: Public schools tend to require and prioritize the same teaching credentials and certifications. A minimum of a Bachelor's degree in Education is needed for all public school teaching positions today and Mathematics and Language Arts concentrations are commonly most appealing. Teaching jobs are usually assigned by area of specialty. The credentials required for private school teaching positions are not as consistent. Some private schools might mandate that all of their teachers have Master's degrees or particular certifications, while others might not require official teaching degrees at all. Many Montessori schools, for example, will allow you to teach at the Early Childhood level with a high school diploma and training. when parochial schools stopped teaching "yes Mama and no Sir" they started to slide but Latin? Now that was a real lose. If one can't read Virgil's, Aeneid in Latin why even bother going to school? maybe I worry over nothing becasue after all they still speak classical French in Gites, don't they? Well maybe not but I bet if one travels to Quebec they might hear Québécois French, vowels with nasal intonation are even more nasalized. The ‘un’ sound has virtually disappeared from Standard French, but it is still spoken in Québécois French. The high vowels i, u, and ou are pronounced laxing when used in closed syllables in Québécois French. In Standard French, vowels that used to have a long pronunciation three centuries ago no longer do, but in Québécois French, that old pronunciation remains. For example, words like “mâle” and “mal”, “pâte” and “patte”, “faîte” and “faites”, “maître” and “mettre” sound virtually the same in Metropolitan French, though not in spoken Québécois French. But here at home I can on occasion hear Acadian French butchered by Cajuns. However, the sausage is still quite good. Credentials are down the list of our worries imo. Teaching our kids English in English class instead of sexualising them in English class is more concerning to me. Please explain how children are being specialized in English class. Thx.
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Post by chuck on Feb 20, 2023 0:40:25 GMT -5
Credentials are down the list of our worries imo. Teaching our kids English in English class instead of sexualising them in English class is more concerning to me. Please explain his children are being specialized in English class. Thx. This was part of a English lesson last week at our local public school. English is now gender studies mixed with white privilege and male privilege guilt/shaming indoctrination to boot.... youtu.be/GSilokmn8zIIm not sure if you are familiar with the safe schools program that was highly controversial here in Australia, it was a highly sexualised indoctrination program hiding behind a anti bullying campaign. It got dumped by some states and "restructured" by others.....it hasn't gone away and they are just trying new angles to radicalise our kids like the above, making it part of English lessons.... Australian kids are literally becoming more illiterate not less because of this crap. It's also bringing more division not less.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 20, 2023 2:01:56 GMT -5
Please explain his children are being specialized in English class. Thx. This was part of a English lesson last week at our local public school. English is now gender studies mixed with white privilege and male privilege guilt/shaming indoctrination to boot.... youtu.be/GSilokmn8zIIm not sure if you are familiar with the safe schools program that was highly controversial here in Australia, it was a highly sexualised indoctrination program hiding behind a anti bullying campaign. It got dumped by some states and "restructured" by others.....it hasn't gone away and they are just trying new angles to radicalise our kids like the above, making it part of English lessons.... Australian kids are literally becoming more illiterate not less because of this crap. It's also bringing more division not less. Radicalized how?
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Post by chuck on Feb 20, 2023 3:42:22 GMT -5
This was part of a English lesson last week at our local public school. English is now gender studies mixed with white privilege and male privilege guilt/shaming indoctrination to boot.... youtu.be/GSilokmn8zIIm not sure if you are familiar with the safe schools program that was highly controversial here in Australia, it was a highly sexualised indoctrination program hiding behind a anti bullying campaign. It got dumped by some states and "restructured" by others.....it hasn't gone away and they are just trying new angles to radicalise our kids like the above, making it part of English lessons.... Australian kids are literally becoming more illiterate not less because of this crap. It's also bringing more division not less. Radicalized how? By keeping Roz Wards agenda alive in the current curriculum instead of a seperate program that was optional.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 20, 2023 9:30:09 GMT -5
By keeping Roz Wards agenda alive in the current curriculum instead of a seperate program that was optional. What is Roz Wards agenda?
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Post by verna on Feb 20, 2023 11:19:10 GMT -5
Please explain his children are being specialized in English class. Thx. This was part of a English lesson last week at our local public school. English is now gender studies mixed with white privilege and male privilege guilt/shaming indoctrination to boot.... youtu.be/GSilokmn8zIIm not sure if you are familiar with the safe schools program that was highly controversial here in Australia, it was a highly sexualised indoctrination program hiding behind a anti bullying campaign. It got dumped by some states and "restructured" by others.....it hasn't gone away and they are just trying new angles to radicalise our kids like the above, making it part of English lessons.... Australian kids are literally becoming more illiterate not less because of this crap. It's also bringing more division not less. It’s hard to see the status quo challenged, hey?
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Post by chuck on Feb 20, 2023 16:54:09 GMT -5
By keeping Roz Wards agenda alive in the current curriculum instead of a seperate program that was optional. What is Roz Wards agenda? That everyone should be like her.
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Post by chuck on Feb 20, 2023 17:03:02 GMT -5
This was part of a English lesson last week at our local public school. English is now gender studies mixed with white privilege and male privilege guilt/shaming indoctrination to boot.... youtu.be/GSilokmn8zIIm not sure if you are familiar with the safe schools program that was highly controversial here in Australia, it was a highly sexualised indoctrination program hiding behind a anti bullying campaign. It got dumped by some states and "restructured" by others.....it hasn't gone away and they are just trying new angles to radicalise our kids like the above, making it part of English lessons.... Australian kids are literally becoming more illiterate not less because of this crap. It's also bringing more division not less. It’s hard to see the status quo challenged, hey? The ideology thats being pushed in our schools has led to hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century. Status quo seems great until they come up with something better compared to trying that again.....I don't fancy the gulag of archipelago and illiterate kids.... Are you implying I'm transphobic by some chance?.
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Post by verna on Feb 20, 2023 17:35:12 GMT -5
It’s hard to see the status quo challenged, hey? The ideology thats being pushed in our schools has led to hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century. Status quo seems great until they come up with something better compared to trying that again.....I don't fancy the gulag of archipelago and illiterate kids.... Are you implying I'm transphobic by some chance?. Not necessarily. I’m just remembering a theatrical video that I objected to strongly and you advocated. I’m seeing similarities in the characteristics of propaganda. Video is powerful in setting people for and against. But yes I think we’re all pretty stuck/limited in our view of gender/gender roles. I’m starting to open to change - but it’s hard.
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Post by chuck on Feb 20, 2023 17:49:49 GMT -5
The ideology thats being pushed in our schools has led to hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century. Status quo seems great until they come up with something better compared to trying that again.....I don't fancy the gulag of archipelago and illiterate kids.... Are you implying I'm transphobic by some chance?. Not necessarily. I’m just remembering a theatrical video that I objected to strongly and you advocated. I’m seeing similarities in the characteristics of propaganda. Video is powerful in setting people for and against. Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2023 0:18:29 GMT -5
What is Roz Wards agenda? That everyone should be like her. Like what? What authority does she have to make people be like her?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2023 0:25:12 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I’m just remembering a theatrical video that I objected to strongly and you advocated. I’m seeing similarities in the characteristics of propaganda. Video is powerful in setting people for and against. Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... By what methodology does English class sexualize and shame kids and keep them illiterate?
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 4:06:07 GMT -5
That everyone should be like her. Like what? What authority does she have to make people be like her? It doesn't matter what... About the same amount as a worker...
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 5:11:07 GMT -5
Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... By what methodology does English class sexualize and shame kids and keep them illiterate? It's in the video and the video itself.
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Post by matisse on Feb 21, 2023 6:02:17 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I’m just remembering a theatrical video that I objected to strongly and you advocated. I’m seeing similarities in the characteristics of propaganda. Video is powerful in setting people for and against. Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... What do you consider harmful ideology in the video? Are the comments about "male privilege" what you consider shaming of boys?
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 8:37:56 GMT -5
Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... What do you consider harmful ideology in the video? Are the comments about "male privilege" what you consider shaming of boys? The identity politics. Yes. This is it in all its glory.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9416195/Student-lash-Brauer-College-assembly-boys-apologise-female-peers.html
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Post by verna on Feb 21, 2023 12:18:18 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I’m just remembering a theatrical video that I objected to strongly and you advocated. I’m seeing similarities in the characteristics of propaganda. Video is powerful in setting people for and against. Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... I was listening to a primatologist recently who said that we are, by nature, tribal. It is ingrained. We may change tribes but we will still be tribal. I must add I do find this tendancy to speak up for individuality, and then to clump a whole group together as “evil”, to be rather curious. Please define evil.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 12:29:19 GMT -5
Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... I was listening to a primatologist recently who said that we are, by nature, tribal. It is ingrained. We may change tribes but we will still be tribal. That is what's great about some nations, tribes get together and unite behind a single banner with some common values. Put their own personal tribe to the back burner and promote the nation. Thats what was the epitome of America for a nation. Little did we realize though it's also its weakest link and can lead to balkanization. Which is the train screaming down the tracks and no one hears the woo woo for America now.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 16:15:41 GMT -5
Im not for baseless transgender propaganda, sexualising kids or shaming young boys in English classes just because they're male when illiteracy is not going down in our kids and kids are highly susceptible to propaganda. I would say the same thing if it was religious propaganda in English classes but that isn't what's coming home from school now is it...... Dont confuse my objection to harmful ideology as putting people into groups to treat them differently.....I deal will all types and have had no issues with the individuals who dont want me to be like them and vice versa..... When you treat people as individuals how can you not be open to change?, the proclivity to group things is the issue here.....and this ideology that leads to this opressed vs opressor is evil... I was listening to a primatologist recently who said that we are, by nature, tribal. It is ingrained. We may change tribes but we will still be tribal. I must add I do find this tendancy to speak up for individuality, and then to clump a whole group together as “evil”, to be rather curious. Please define evil. I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the tribe comes before the individual. Note I am not saying we are not tribal or that having a tribe is bad. Immoral, harmful.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 16:50:08 GMT -5
I was listening to a primatologist recently who said that we are, by nature, tribal. It is ingrained. We may change tribes but we will still be tribal. That is what's great about some nations, tribes get together and unite behind a single banner with some common values. Put their own personal tribe to the back burner and promote the nation. Thats what was the epitome of America for a nation. Little did we realize though it's also its weakest link and can lead to balkanization. Which is the train screaming down the tracks and no one hears the woo woo for America now. In my understanding America was founded on the idea that the individual was more important than the tribe, this is why the tribe (America) became stronger over time and tribalism within it took a back seat somewhat, it seems its now regressing back into tribal warfare as the tribalism within has taken precedent over the individuals and now it's weakening America. It's almost devolution, chimps tribal warfare is brutal, yet they're all chimps..... This is why the fundemental idea of the individual in the Christ story is amazing, its acutally part of evolution......
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Post by verna on Feb 21, 2023 17:51:27 GMT -5
I was listening to a primatologist recently who said that we are, by nature, tribal. It is ingrained. We may change tribes but we will still be tribal. I must add I do find this tendancy to speak up for individuality, and then to clump a whole group together as “evil”, to be rather curious. Please define evil. I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the tribe comes before the individual. Note I am not saying we are not tribal or that having a tribe is bad. Immoral, harmful. It seems the following could just as well be said: I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the individual comes before the tribe.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 20:00:51 GMT -5
I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the tribe comes before the individual. Note I am not saying we are not tribal or that having a tribe is bad. Immoral, harmful. It seems the following could just as well be said: I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the individual comes before the tribe. How has going beyond tribalism to individual level of responsibility and worth gone horribly wrong?, I can list 3 incidents of tribalism in recent history, Soviet union, Mao'st China and the National Socialists that has had gone so catastrophically wrong its frightening, can you give me 3 examples that individualism over tribalism has gone even remotely close to this wrong?. Your statement seriously scares me. I don't think you have thought that through to its conclusion. This philosophy has killed hundreds of millions in the last 100 odd years alone.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2023 20:34:54 GMT -5
By what methodology does English class sexualize and shame kids and keep them illiterate? It's in the video and the video itself. I thought you were talking about some education official.
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Post by verna on Feb 21, 2023 21:02:41 GMT -5
It seems the following could just as well be said: I don't know how much more evidence is needed that it goes horribly wrong if the individual comes before the tribe. How has going beyond tribalism to individual level of responsibility and worth gone horribly wrong?, I can list 3 incidents of tribalism in recent history, Soviet union, Mao'st China and the National Socialists that has had gone so catastrophically wrong its frightening, can you give me 3 examples that individualism over tribalism has gone even remotely close to this wrong?. Your statement seriously scares me. I don't think you have thought that through to its conclusion. This philosophy has killed hundreds of millions in the last 100 odd years alone. Individualism puts the focus on doing whatever is best for “me,” regardless of what effect that has on the “group.” You are easily excited Chuck. Don’t be afraid. I didn’t say this is what I believe. What I am trying to say is case dependent. According to many conservative Christian’s (including 2x2s) individualism is the bane of Christianity and has cost many their souls. Pretty much what I stated. Just have to at this for effect: Individualism is, indeed, sinful. It is a voluntary decision to say no to God, and to say yes to the bodily desires of what is finite. Individualism is excessively concerned with self-preservation and self-concern. The more excessive individualism is practiced, the more the scope of reality is diminished and narrowed. digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1019&context=saysomethingtheological#:~:text=individualism%20is%2C%20indeed%2C%20sinful.,reality%20is%20diminished%20and%20narrowed. Please note. This is not what I believe.
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Post by chuck on Feb 21, 2023 23:56:04 GMT -5
How has going beyond tribalism to individual level of responsibility and worth gone horribly wrong?, I can list 3 incidents of tribalism in recent history, Soviet union, Mao'st China and the National Socialists that has had gone so catastrophically wrong its frightening, can you give me 3 examples that individualism over tribalism has gone even remotely close to this wrong?. Your statement seriously scares me. I don't think you have thought that through to its conclusion. This philosophy has killed hundreds of millions in the last 100 odd years alone. Individualism puts the focus on doing whatever is best for “me,” regardless of what effect that has on the “group.” You are easily excited Chuck. Don’t be afraid. I didn’t say this is what I believe. What I am trying to say is case dependent. According to many conservative Christian’s (including 2x2s) individualism is the bane of Christianity and has cost many their souls. Pretty much what I stated. Just have to at this for effect: Individualism is, indeed, sinful. It is a voluntary decision to say no to God, and to say yes to the bodily desires of what is finite. Individualism is excessively concerned with self-preservation and self-concern. The more excessive individualism is practiced, the more the scope of reality is diminished and narrowed. digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1019&context=saysomethingtheological#:~:text=individualism%20is%2C%20indeed%2C%20sinful.,reality%20is%20diminished%20and%20narrowed. Please note. This is not what I believe. Why are you speaking for the Christians?. If that is the Christian position its a really confusing one to me now. The idea of love your neighbor as yourself starts with the individual and I see no evidence that it is suggesting for the individual to be selfish therefore you treat everyone else accordingly but rather exactly the opposite, the evolution of the idea of God in scripture is to treat individuals as something of worth despite the tribalism and you can only do that if you treat yourself that way to begin with. To say individualism is to say no to God is a oxymoron. Imo this is a result of reading scripture through the lense of form instead of function. When read as form it leads to tribalism first individual second, you dont have to look very far to see the destruction of religious tribalism, plenty of people here could vouch how nastily they were treated because they chose to put their individualism before the tribe..... Noted this is not what you believe.
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