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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 7, 2023 19:08:52 GMT -5
Not that big of a fan.... but sometimes he hits the nail on the head... Him and Jon Stewart are two liberals in the media who I have a lot of respect for. They are unafraid to criticize "their side". The crowds reaction when he was criticizing the "woke apologists" was pretty telling- loud cheers and applause from a left leaning crowd. Gives me some hope. A lot of the so-called "woke people" just want to be heard. In the public school system they're frequently stupid right-wings who insist wokeness is a mandate from government -- their attempt at being persecuted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 23:19:16 GMT -5
Him and Jon Stewart are two liberals in the media who I have a lot of respect for. They are unafraid to criticize "their side". The crowds reaction when he was criticizing the "woke apologists" was pretty telling- loud cheers and applause from a left leaning crowd. Gives me some hope. A lot of the so-called "woke people" just want to be heard. In the public school system they're frequently stupid right-wings who insist wokeness is a mandate from government -- their attempt at being persecuted. Would it be right to dismiss other people who don't feel heard as 'stupid'?? Perhaps this is why they feel this way.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 7, 2023 23:53:46 GMT -5
Celibacy. In the climbing world I hav known a few fellas or female fellas who have done some amazing solo climbs. Many of them have wound up dead. One friend fell off the Sheila Face of Aoraki and fortuately for him one boot caught between two rocks and he was left hanging by that foot but alive. If not, it would have been a quick trip to the Empress and the not elusive prize of a wooden box for one. I asked him later if his sex life was also solo. Fortunately for him becaue of the broken bones he suffered in that crash, he can no longer climb and he has even found a partner in life. No more solo acts. The Empress mentioned is the Empress Glacier. Cimbing mountains or big rock walls is a lot like making love. Best done with a partner.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 8, 2023 0:11:59 GMT -5
A lot of the so-called "woke people" just want to be heard. In the public school system they're frequently stupid right-wings who insist wokeness is a mandate from government -- their attempt at being persecuted. Would it be right to dismiss other people who don't feel heard as 'stupid'?? No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid".
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Post by Dan on Feb 8, 2023 1:28:57 GMT -5
Would it be right to dismiss other people who don't feel heard as 'stupid'?? No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid".
Everyone deserves to be heard, but attempts to brainwash children with inappropriate content goes beyond free speech, especially when its influencing children behind their parents back.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 8, 2023 3:44:20 GMT -5
No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid".
Everyone deserves to be heard, but attempts to brainwash children with inappropriate content goes beyond free speech, especially when its influencing children behind their parents back.
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 6:47:47 GMT -5
Everyone deserves to be heard, but attempts to brainwash children with inappropriate content goes beyond free speech, especially when its influencing children behind their parents back.
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement. *in Ummm in public schools that is almost zero. There maybe be some kind of overview in history of religions but rarely any strong detail. I've never really heard of worship either in a public-school during school hours. I'm remembering from history class in high school, not even paragraph about Jesus. I'm thinking it said something like this "Jesus was a Jewish Prophet in Israel or maybe it said Palestine". The end... In Kansas I remember 2 songs that were in Music class but no sermon. You can get this in private schools though, but that is an entirely voluntary thing, you would know that going in. Your comparison it more than a TAD off, but not really surprised that you would try that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 9:31:21 GMT -5
Would it be right to dismiss other people who don't feel heard as 'stupid'?? No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid". Would the ANTIFA rioters who were torching cities likewise fall into that category?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 8, 2023 12:25:46 GMT -5
No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid". Would the ANTIFA rioters who were torching cities likewise fall into that category? Absolutely.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 8, 2023 12:33:39 GMT -5
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement. *in Ummm in public schools that is almost zero. There maybe be some kind of overview in history of religions but rarely any strong detail. I've never really heard of worship either in a public-school during school hours. I'm remembering from history class in high school, not even paragraph about Jesus. I'm thinking it said something like this "Jesus was a Jewish Prophet in Israel or maybe it said Palestine". The end... In Kansas I remember 2 songs that were in Music class but no sermon. You can get this in private schools though, but that is an entirely voluntary thing, you would know that going in. Your comparison it more than a TAD off, but not really surprised that you would try that. Where and when I grew up in NZ it was common for public primary schools to have a lesson a week taken by a minister. Always a christian minister. This silliness has now ended. Thankfully. Indoctrination of children with any beliefs has no place in any bona fida school system. Learning that there are different beliefs is a different matter and not a bad thing. Once again. I did not make a comparison. I asked a question? Here's another question just for you. Do you know how to tell the difference between a comparison and a question and a statement? If so, please have your answer ready to read to the class.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 12:51:55 GMT -5
Would the ANTIFA rioters who were torching cities likewise fall into that category? Absolutely. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 14:08:44 GMT -5
*in Ummm in public schools that is almost zero. There maybe be some kind of overview in history of religions but rarely any strong detail. I've never really heard of worship either in a public-school during school hours. I'm remembering from history class in high school, not even paragraph about Jesus. I'm thinking it said something like this "Jesus was a Jewish Prophet in Israel or maybe it said Palestine". The end... In Kansas I remember 2 songs that were in Music class but no sermon. You can get this in private schools though, but that is an entirely voluntary thing, you would know that going in. Your comparison it more than a TAD off, but not really surprised that you would try that. Where and when I grew up in NZ it was common for public primary schools to have a lesson a week taken by a minister. Always a christian minister. This silliness has now ended. Thankfully. Indoctrination of children with any beliefs has no place in any bona fida school system. Learning that there are different beliefs is a different matter and not a bad thing. Once again. I did not make a comparison. I asked a question? Here's another question just for you. Do you know how to tell the difference between a comparison and a question and a statement? If so, please have your answer ready to read to the class. This might be a projection thing on your part...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 8, 2023 20:30:22 GMT -5
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement. *in Ummm in public schools that is almost zero. There maybe be some kind of overview in history of religions but rarely any strong detail. I've never really heard of worship either in a public-school during school hours. I'm remembering from history class in high school, not even paragraph about Jesus. I'm thinking it said something like this "Jesus was a Jewish Prophet in Israel or maybe it said Palestine". The end... In Kansas I remember 2 songs that were in Music class but no sermon. You can get this in private schools though, but that is an entirely voluntary thing, you would know that going in. Your comparison it more than a TAD off, but not really surprised that you would try that. You're lucky you even got that. You completely missed out on Zoroastrianism and Mithraism. Such a pity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 8, 2023 20:32:06 GMT -5
No Oh, they were heard, all right. They didn't understand the answer, so they decided it was a Communist plot. Among professionals, that's called "stupid". Would the ANTIFA rioters who were torching cities likewise fall into that category? Nothing at all to do with ANTIFA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 22:41:44 GMT -5
Would the ANTIFA rioters who were torching cities likewise fall into that category? Nothing at all to do with ANTIFA. They didn't like the elected president (answer) and felt that they needed to be heard in the form of violence. I think it was "stupid" that was the clinical term?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 8, 2023 23:54:49 GMT -5
Nothing at all to do with ANTIFA. They didn't like the elected president (answer) and felt that they needed to be heard in the form of violence. I think it was "stupid" that was the clinical term? ANTIFA doesn't have anything to do with "woke" in the education system. What is stupid is educators who can't understand the legal separation of church and state. Some of it is just stupid, and some of it is ignorance, but some of it is just plain stubbornness. Of course, it's really a reflection of who's sitting on school boards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 0:32:01 GMT -5
They didn't like the elected president (answer) and felt that they needed to be heard in the form of violence. I think it was "stupid" that was the clinical term? ANTIFA doesn't have anything to do with "woke" in the education system. What is stupid is educators who can't understand the legal separation of church and state. Some of it is just stupid, and some of it is ignorance, but some of it is just plain stubbornness. Of course, it's really a reflection of who's sitting on school boards. No arguments there. It was sort of a shoddy parallel on my part anyway 😄 Still learning the art of the forum.
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Post by Dan on Feb 9, 2023 2:53:35 GMT -5
Everyone deserves to be heard, but attempts to brainwash children with inappropriate content goes beyond free speech, especially when its influencing children behind their parents back.
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement.
Absolutely... Familiarizing children with various religions could be part of the history curriculum, but no preferential treatment or indoctrinational efforts should apply.
People (adults) interested in faith based subjects should be allowed to express themselves, no matter how absurd their opinions may be. But we know that cancel culture has made an effort to silence all abstract opinions, and that's not healthy for any free society... i.e; Nathan should be here, silencing opinions by banning people from expressing their beliefs is no different than labeling people who questioned the covid vaccines as 'misinformation'.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2023 17:55:17 GMT -5
ANTIFA doesn't have anything to do with "woke" in the education system. What is stupid is educators who can't understand the legal separation of church and state. Some of it is just stupid, and some of it is ignorance, but some of it is just plain stubbornness. Of course, it's really a reflection of who's sitting on school boards. No arguments there. It was sort of a shoddy parallel on my part anyway 😄 Still learning the art of the forum. Well, who's to be blamed? We're not all as articulate as we'd like to be.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2023 18:26:41 GMT -5
I presume you would include religious teaching or worship in schools im your statement. Absolutely... Familiarizing children with various religions could be part of the history curriculum, but no preferential treatment or indoctrinational efforts should apply.
I agree with you -- but no one involved with the education system either wants or understands what that means. The presumed conservative interests would be quite happy with a full fledged Christian indoctrination curriculum in the public school system. Two problems: (1) They have no interest at all in the academic history of Christianity -- they want only current fundamentalist doctrine to be taught. (2) If in the rare instance they may agree to expose kids to other religions, they will have nothing less that a full preferential treatment for Christianity. Frankly, they're the reason that religion isn't and shouldn't be part of the history course. Believe me -- I was at the very center of that storm for years, and you'll not get a school board to hire a teacher competent to do the theoretical nor preferential treatment, and you will have too much public outrage. They already have that right -- but the public school system is not the social medium for alternative philosophies. If you can think of one thing you don't think of that should be taught in the public school system, then you do not believe in what you may just have implied. It doesn't matter what you think "cancel culture" means -- it's only a buzz word for people who want to complain that the world is spinning the wrong way. It's a dead end -- the world will not spin backwards. The best you can do is preserve a public education system to prepare students to thrive in the lifetime ahead of them. [/div] [/quote] Nathan has the freedom to do as he pleases, but in the land of the free he doesn't have the right to do that in another person's private place and on their time. Doing it in another person's time and place is the stuff of dictatorships, not democracies.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 9, 2023 21:54:26 GMT -5
Absolutely... Familiarizing children with various religions could be part of the history curriculum, but no preferential treatment or indoctrinational efforts should apply.
I agree with you -- but no one involved with the education system either wants or understands what that means. The presumed conservative interests would be quite happy with a full fledged Christian indoctrination curriculum in the public school system. Two problems: (1) They have no interest at all in the academic history of Christianity -- they want only current fundamentalist doctrine to be taught. (2) If in the rare instance they may agree to expose kids to other religions, they will have nothing less that a full preferential treatment for Christianity. Frankly, they're the reason that religion isn't and shouldn't be part of the history course. Believe me -- I was at the very center of that storm for years, and you'll not get a school board to hire a teacher competent to do the theoretical nor preferential treatment, and you will have too much public outrage. They already have that right -- but the public school system is not the social medium for alternative philosophies. If you can think of one thing you don't think of that should be taught in the public school system, then you do not believe in what you may just have implied. It doesn't matter what you think "cancel culture" means -- it's only a buzz word for people who want to complain that the world is spinning the wrong way. It's a dead end -- the world will not spin backwards. The best you can do is preserve a public education system to prepare students to thrive in the lifetime ahead of them. [/div] [/quote] Nathan has the freedom to do as he pleases, but in the land of the free he doesn't have the right to do that in another person's private place and on their time. Doing it in another person's time and place is the stuff of dictatorships, not democracies.[/quote] Well said Bob.
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Post by magpies39plus on Feb 17, 2023 3:53:31 GMT -5
Funny if it was not serious !! 57 pages !! 2x Verses in 1 Corinthians. And there is so many of you that wont accept that as the Bible says"all scripture is inspired by God". WHY? Why do you evade so much of it under the Irvine doctrine? That is "NOT"inspired by God is it?
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Post by janj on Feb 18, 2023 15:31:49 GMT -5
*in Ummm in public schools that is almost zero. There maybe be some kind of overview in history of religions but rarely any strong detail. I've never really heard of worship either in a public-school during school hours. I'm remembering from history class in high school, not even paragraph about Jesus. I'm thinking it said something like this "Jesus was a Jewish Prophet in Israel or maybe it said Palestine". The end... In Kansas I remember 2 songs that were in Music class but no sermon. You can get this in private schools though, but that is an entirely voluntary thing, you would know that going in. Your comparison it more than a TAD off, but not really surprised that you would try that. Where and when I grew up in NZ it was common for public primary schools to have a lesson a week taken by a minister. Always a christian minister. This silliness has now ended. Thankfully. Indoctrination of children with any beliefs has no place in any bona fida school system. Learning that there are different beliefs is a different matter and not a bad thing. Once again. I did not make a comparison. I asked a question? Here's another question just for you. Do you know how to tell the difference between a comparison and a question and a statement? If so, please have your answer ready to read to the class. Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 18, 2023 21:53:08 GMT -5
Where and when I grew up in NZ it was common for public primary schools to have a lesson a week taken by a minister. Always a christian minister. This silliness has now ended. Thankfully. Indoctrination of children with any beliefs has no place in any bona fida school system. Learning that there are different beliefs is a different matter and not a bad thing. Once again. I did not make a comparison. I asked a question? Here's another question just for you. Do you know how to tell the difference between a comparison and a question and a statement? If so, please have your answer ready to read to the class. Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education? Maybe not. Many of them have a fine reputation both academically and in the sports. There is also far less disruptive children. I suspect the opportunity of a religious education is well done the list of reasons for signing up at a religious school.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 19, 2023 0:33:46 GMT -5
Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education? Maybe not. Many of them have a fine reputation both academically and in the sports. There is also far less disruptive children. I suspect the opportunity of a religious education is well done the list of reasons for signing up at a religious school. I would guess that the religious education in a Catholic school would be more profitable than the psychedelic brand of religious education in most Christian schools in the US.
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Post by chuck on Feb 19, 2023 6:42:42 GMT -5
Where and when I grew up in NZ it was common for public primary schools to have a lesson a week taken by a minister. Always a christian minister. This silliness has now ended. Thankfully. Indoctrination of children with any beliefs has no place in any bona fida school system. Learning that there are different beliefs is a different matter and not a bad thing. Once again. I did not make a comparison. I asked a question? Here's another question just for you. Do you know how to tell the difference between a comparison and a question and a statement? If so, please have your answer ready to read to the class. Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education? Same thing is happening in Australia, some people have said they are sending their kids to the Christian schools because of the values not the religion.
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Post by intelchips on Feb 19, 2023 6:53:18 GMT -5
Interestingly, Catholic High Schools in NZ, where Religious Education is a compulsory subject, have waiting lists longer than ever. (The 5% non Catholic spots are the most sought after prizes in town!) Obviously many parents still want their children to have a traditional Christian education? Same thing is happening in Australia, some people have said they are sending their kids to the Christian schools because of the values not the religion. And then there is this in the US: Public schools tend to require and prioritize the same teaching credentials and certifications. A minimum of a Bachelor's degree in Education is needed for all public school teaching positions today and Mathematics and Language Arts concentrations are commonly most appealing. Teaching jobs are usually assigned by area of specialty. The credentials required for private school teaching positions are not as consistent. Some private schools might mandate that all of their teachers have Master's degrees or particular certifications, while others might not require official teaching degrees at all. Many Montessori schools, for example, will allow you to teach at the Early Childhood level with a high school diploma and training. when parochial schools stopped teaching "yes Mama and no Sir" they started to slide but Latin? Now that was a real lose. If one can't read Virgil's, Aeneid in Latin why even bother going to school? maybe I worry over nothing becasue after all they still speak classical French in Gites, don't they? Well maybe not but I bet if one travels to Quebec they might hear Québécois French, vowels with nasal intonation are even more nasalized. The ‘un’ sound has virtually disappeared from Standard French, but it is still spoken in Québécois French. The high vowels i, u, and ou are pronounced laxing when used in closed syllables in Québécois French. In Standard French, vowels that used to have a long pronunciation three centuries ago no longer do, but in Québécois French, that old pronunciation remains. For example, words like “mâle” and “mal”, “pâte” and “patte”, “faîte” and “faites”, “maître” and “mettre” sound virtually the same in Metropolitan French, though not in spoken Québécois French. But here at home I can on occasion hear Acadian French butchered by Cajuns. However, the sausage is still quite good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 9:52:53 GMT -5
Talked to my middle school teacher three or four years ago. My High school next door was hiring for teaching positions two different ways. A two-year associate degree plus two year's experience in that Field or a minimum five year's experience in a field. It may have been for electives only but might have been for any teaching position. He told me to go in and Teach Drafting at my old high school. LOL...
I can't believe he was still at the middle school either, he was around Seventy. He moved from History to Librarian.
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