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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 22:05:54 GMT -5
How do you know He did? It is not recorded that He did therefor He didn't. so much for revelation and guidance of the Holy Spirit and a bit of common sense.... So that's common sense?
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 22:07:15 GMT -5
Why the hell do you think I need to "read verse 6 again?"
I was the one who just got through posting it!
It does not say anywhere that Jesus deliberately or intentionally "knocked down" those officers!
You know what I think you are doing wally?
No?
Well, I am going to tell you anyway.
I think that you would twist the the bible to say anything in order to justify your point of view and this time it is trying to justify the use of violence.
What say ye? and i posted it before you did, what is your point?... you along with your down under pals have a serious lack of understanding what happened here in scripture or don't know how the English language works, that is what i say... whatever motivations you think i might have you should keep to your irrational self... good try though Yes a good showing of your testimony.
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 22:08:18 GMT -5
How do you know He did? It is not recorded that He did therefor He didn't. *** Like I wrote Jesus didn't have to hit anyone, his action running around chasing people with a cord/whip made him look like a MAD, Crazy, lunatic, and violent man. I suppose to those there that's how He may have looked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 22:14:05 GMT -5
and i posted it before you did, what is your point?... you along with your down under pals have a serious lack of understanding what happened here in scripture or don't know how the English language works, that is what i say... whatever motivations you think i might have you should keep to your irrational self... good try though Yes a good showing of your testimony. can't be any worse than yours elder...
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 22, 2021 22:15:48 GMT -5
How do you know He did? It is not recorded that He did therefor He didn't. *** Like I wrote Jesus didn't have to hit anyone, his action running around chasing people with a cord/whip made him look like a MAD, Crazy, lunatic, and violent man. Matthew and Mark also say that he overturned the chairs of those who sold doves. It doesn't say whether people were sitting in the seats when he flipped them over, but they might have been.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 22:16:37 GMT -5
so much for revelation and guidance of the Holy Spirit and a bit of common sense.... So that's common sense? understanding what went on would be common sense...if you want to take the step and say what Jesus did with the whip is not common sense its all on you....
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Post by Lee on Feb 22, 2021 22:28:55 GMT -5
How can a religion be bad apart from its bad ideas? I think you’re saying religion can induce a quasi-hypnotic state, in which a person lives out ideas they haven’t critically examined. This is not a problem with religion in particular. Rather, it’s the human condition, however one may have become prejudiced against the truth, or fallen into ignorance of it. Healthy people grow through it. Healthy people stating that one particular religion is or has a saviour is not Healthy, and it is the bad idea. How would you publicize Jesus if you didn’t have a religion of publicizing Jesus. How is this unhealthy?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2021 22:41:50 GMT -5
Why the hell do you think I need to "read verse 6 again?"
I was the one who just got through posting it!
It does not say anywhere that Jesus deliberately or intentionally "knocked down" those officers!
You know what I think you are doing wally?
No?
Well, I am going to tell you anyway.
I think that you would twist the the bible to say anything in order to justify your point of view and this time it is trying to justify the use of violence.
What say ye? and i posted it before you did, what is your point?... you along with your down under pals have a serious lack of understanding what happened here in scripture or don't know how the English language works, that is what i say... whatever motivations you think i might have you should keep to your irrational self... good try though Good try, wally!
Whether I "understanding what happened in scripture" or even believe it, -I still don't think that I have the right to re-define words.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 22:46:58 GMT -5
and i posted it before you did, what is your point?... you along with your down under pals have a serious lack of understanding what happened here in scripture or don't know how the English language works, that is what i say... whatever motivations you think i might have you should keep to your irrational self... good try though Good try, wally!
Whether I "understanding what happened in scripture" or even believe it, -I still don't think that I have the right to re-define words.
i don't think the understanding and explaining of something would be considered re-defining words...just sayin
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Post by nathan on Feb 22, 2021 22:56:02 GMT -5
*** Like I wrote Jesus didn't have to hit anyone, his action running around chasing people with a cord/whip made him look like a MAD, Crazy, lunatic, and violent man. Matthew and Mark also say that he overturned the chairs of those who sold doves. It doesn't say whether people were sitting in the seats when he flipped them over, but they might have been. Jesus got those money changers out of the temple courtyard one way or another! He meant business....
John 2: 13-17 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2021 23:07:27 GMT -5
understanding what when on would be understanding what happened here in scripture ...if you want to take the step and say what Jesus did with the whip is not common sense its all on you.... Neither do you have to assume that just because Jesus made a whip that he actually hit the people or the animals with it. biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm
John 2:15
Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.
Now, if you saw someone with a whip would you wait 'til they hit you before you begin to move? If you had "common sense," you would start moving, -wouldn't you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 23:32:39 GMT -5
understanding what when on would be understanding what happened here in scripture ...if you want to take the step and say what Jesus did with the whip is not common sense its all on you.... Neither do you have to assume that just because Jesus made a whip that he actually hit the people or the animals with it. biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm
John 2:15
Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.
Now, if you saw someone with a whip would you wait 'til they hit you before you begin to move? If you had "common sense," you would start moving, -wouldn't you? depends on how fast Jesus was moving and if there were any stubborn people there.... IF he did NOT use the whip at all it would have been one of the most useless gestures i have ever seen or heard of and that doesn't sound like Jesus to me....
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Post by speak on Feb 23, 2021 0:00:37 GMT -5
Yes a good showing of your testimony. can't be any worse than yours elder... We know that others speak otherwise
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Post by speak on Feb 23, 2021 0:01:34 GMT -5
understanding what went on would be common sense...if you want to take the step and say what Jesus did with the whip is not common sense its all on you.... Another funny comment
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 1:25:35 GMT -5
You can't believe everything you read in the bible. For example; How did Judas die? By hanging (Matthew 27:5), or did he die by falling and bursting open (Acts 1:18)? asked our 2 sisters tonight about this for better clarification they responded very fast i should say. 1st sister: Acts 1 is more figurative Matt 27 is the one to go by. she did give a nod to the idea that he hung himself and then the rope broke he fell and burst open. back to Acts 1 she also mentioned "bowels" is also a term for feelings in the bible and since Judas betrayed Jesus then hung himself all his "feelings" became quite apparent or "gushed/burst open". 2nd sister: Acts 1 is figurative Matt 27 is the one to go by. so all said and done they are saying he hung himself, that is it it works. that said i may still lean a bit towards the rope broke and he fell and burst open.
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Post by openingact34 on Feb 23, 2021 1:26:30 GMT -5
Neither do you have to assume that just because Jesus made a whip that he actually hit the people or the animals with it. biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm
John 2:15
Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables.
Now, if you saw someone with a whip would you wait 'til they hit you before you begin to move? If you had "common sense," you would start moving, -wouldn't you? depends on how fast Jesus was moving and if there were any stubborn people there.... IF he did NOT use the whip at all it would have been one of the most useless gestures i have ever seen or heard of and that doesn't sound like Jesus to me....
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 23, 2021 2:00:11 GMT -5
You can't believe everything you read in the bible. For example; How did Judas die? By hanging (Matthew 27:5), or did he die by falling and bursting open (Acts 1:18)? that is a puzzler still not exactly sure which it was...apologetics has come up with this though....he hung himself high up in a tree and the rope broke and when he fell he burst open....
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Post by Dan on Feb 23, 2021 2:13:35 GMT -5
that is a puzzler still not exactly sure which it was...apologetics has come up with this though....he hung himself high up in a tree and the rope broke and when he fell he burst open.... "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5) "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out" (Acts 1:18). Ancient terminology did not recognize “hanging” just as hanging from a rope, but as hanging on anything. For instance, it is said accurately that Jesus was “hung” on a tree, even though he was nailed there. I believe Judas hung himself not with a rope around his neck, but by impaling himself on a pike causing his intestines to spill-out which in ancient terminology would have been referred to as “Judas hanging himself.” The bible isn't specific, but it says Judas fell headlong, not as a person falling feet-first from a rope. So its likely he secured a spear into the ground, piled up some stones, and jumped/fell headfirst, thus making Matthew and Acts correct.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 23, 2021 2:20:37 GMT -5
"And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5) "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out" (Acts 1:18). Ancient terminology did not recognize “hanging” just as hanging from a rope, but as hanging on anything. For instance, it is said accurately that Jesus was “hung” on a tree, even though he was nailed there. I believe Judas hung himself not with a rope around his neck, but by impaling himself on a pike causing his intestines to spill-out which in ancient terminology would have been referred to as “Judas hanging himself.” The bible isn't specific, but it says Judas fell headlong, not as a person falling feet-first from a rope. So its likely he secured a spear into the ground, piled up some stones, and jumped/fell headfirst, thus making Matthew and Acts correct. Interesting. I liked Wally's suggestion too. Actually, I think different people wrote those different accounts. Good there aren't 10 different accounts.
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Post by speak on Feb 23, 2021 15:54:24 GMT -5
"And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5) "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out" (Acts 1:18). Ancient terminology did not recognize “hanging” just as hanging from a rope, but as hanging on anything. For instance, it is said accurately that Jesus was “hung” on a tree, even though he was nailed there. I believe Judas hung himself not with a rope around his neck, but by impaling himself on a pike causing his intestines to spill-out which in ancient terminology would have been referred to as “Judas hanging himself.” The bible isn't specific, but it says Judas fell headlong, not as a person falling feet-first from a rope. So its likely he secured a spear into the ground, piled up some stones, and jumped/fell headfirst, thus making Matthew and Acts correct. Bowels gushed out simply means his bowels let go, pooed himself.
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Post by SharonArnold on Feb 23, 2021 16:07:55 GMT -5
◄ Luke 22:31 "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.” What to do about it? Stop being sifted like you were all wheat. Resist communism. So you not interested in love then? Seems like those two liked your post feel the same as well. One life lesson that I have been learning: If you feel the need to preface a comment with "So", it is a tell for cognitive dissonance. (I've personally done this a lot.)
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Post by speak on Feb 23, 2021 16:26:58 GMT -5
So you not interested in love then? Seems like those two liked your post feel the same as well. One life lesson that I have been learning: If you feel the need to preface a comment with "So", it is a tell for cognitive dissonance. (I've personally done this a lot.) It was a question.
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Post by chuck on Feb 24, 2021 1:01:19 GMT -5
Healthy people stating that one particular religion is or has a saviour is not Healthy, and it is the bad idea. How would you publicize Jesus if you didn’t have a religion of publicizing Jesus. How is this unhealthy? Well if you have to ask this question you have missed the essense of the scriptures and Christ. The whole Narrative of scripture is "Your" life displaying a "Character". If you think that "Character" needs religion to be or help displayed it........ The Risen Christ is his Character manifested in your life. The Character of Christ lived out. Religion emphasises all the rot around supernatural happenings and is dogmatic about it to the point of abuse and misses the whole point. How would you publize Jesus. Simple. Act this out......... The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever;he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. - Psalm 103:8-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm103:8-10&version=NIVNo religion, religious legalism, 2x2ism meetings, missions, workers, professing, testimonies,yada yada yada yada required. You can however act this out in all those yada yada settings we have been told we actually require. But don't confuse the 2. You can publicize it weather your a tax collector or soildier. “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”“Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.” - Luke 3:10-14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke3:10-14&version=NIVA fisherman. When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break.So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken,and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners. Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him. - Luke 5:4-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke5:4-11&version=NIVThe Character of Christ in your life will be "overflowing"/"filled" no matter what you do.....
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Post by Lee on Feb 24, 2021 2:55:50 GMT -5
That’s good.
The point is Christ was/is a revealed truth, he didn’t just happen.
Us old fogies preach Christ in the revealed sense:
We didn’t invent ourselves. He invented us.
... Excuse me/us, we are passing on his invention to you.
BTW. Weather is better written whether, in the sense you wrote it.
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Post by chuck on Feb 25, 2021 3:46:29 GMT -5
That’s good. The point is Christ was/is a revealed truth, he didn’t just happen. Us old fogies preach Christ in the revealed sense: We didn’t invent ourselves. He invented us. ... Excuse me/us, we are passing on his invention to you. BTW. Weather is better written whether, in the sense you wrote it. Christ revealed does not need religion. I try to spell check but do miss things.
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Post by Lee on Feb 25, 2021 23:48:42 GMT -5
Ive offered that a religion consists of our ideas and behaviors to follow. I think you may have offered me a non sequitur.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 26, 2021 0:22:14 GMT -5
Ive offered that a religion consists of our ideas and behaviors to follow. I think you may have offered me a non sequitur. Why don't you just run with it?
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Post by Lee on Feb 26, 2021 12:57:15 GMT -5
How would you publicize Jesus if you didn’t have a religion of publicizing Jesus. How is this unhealthy? Well if you have to ask this question you have missed the essense of the scriptures and Christ. The whole Narrative of scripture is "Your" life displaying a "Character". If you think that "Character" needs religion to be or help displayed it........ The Risen Christ is his Character manifested in your life. The Character of Christ lived out. Religion emphasises all the rot around supernatural happenings and is dogmatic about it to the point of abuse and misses the whole point. How would you publize Jesus. Simple. Act this out......... The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever;he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. - Psalm 103:8-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm103:8-10&version=NIVNo religion, religious legalism, 2x2ism meetings, missions, workers, professing, testimonies,yada yada yada yada required. You can however act this out in all those yada yada settings we have been told we actually require. But don't confuse the 2. You can publicize it weather your a tax collector or soildier. “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”“Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.” - Luke 3:10-14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke3:10-14&version=NIVA fisherman. When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break.So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken,and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners. Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him. - Luke 5:4-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke5:4-11&version=NIVThe Character of Christ in your life will be "overflowing"/"filled" no matter what you do..... Seems like you might be polarized against any religion that enshrines supernatural revelation or adopts a confessional creed or a kinetic structure. You do realize that many 2x2s and many Christians love going to their meetings and churches, don’t you? It’s not a I-have-to-do-this proposition. As far as the heaven hell dichotomy goes, surely you realize our actions today will bear upon our children tomorrow. Moreover, I’m not sure how one can rule out the thought we wont be personally resurrected in some manner after death. To be dogmatic otherwise, is to take a position no continuity exists between our souls today and our souls tomorrow, according to a teleological assumption of eternal life. This is atheism.
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