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Post by Lee on Feb 20, 2021 21:48:50 GMT -5
What happens if you can't see the religion if religion is the bad idea...... How can a religion be bad apart from its bad ideas? I think you’re saying religion can induce a quasi-hypnotic state, in which a person lives out ideas they haven’t critically examined. This is not a problem with religion in particular. Rather, it’s the human condition, however one may have become prejudiced against the truth, or fallen into ignorance of it. Healthy people grow through it.
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Post by Lee on Feb 22, 2021 11:08:49 GMT -5
How can you say that? Everyone has a religion according to the presuppositions of their ideas. The idea of NOT being critically minded should be distinguished from the idea of being religious.
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 15:19:49 GMT -5
What happens if you can't see the religion if religion is the bad idea...... How can a religion be bad apart from its bad ideas? I think you’re saying religion can induce a quasi-hypnotic state, in which a person lives out ideas they haven’t critically examined. This is not a problem with religion in particular. Rather, it’s the human condition, however one may have become prejudiced against the truth, or fallen into ignorance of it. Healthy people grow through it. Healthy people stating that one particular religion is or has a saviour is not Healthy, and it is the bad idea.
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 15:58:00 GMT -5
What links does QAnon have to Christianity?[/quote Anons are believers christians jews lightworkers all believe in the almighty from what I have seen Jesus loves all He proved it by love not seeking itself Jesus has no dealings with the violent.
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Post by nathan on Feb 22, 2021 16:05:12 GMT -5
Jesus has no dealings with the violent. ** How about the 2 times Jesus made whips and drove the money changers out of the temple court yard. Jesus turned over their tables and chased them out with the cords he made. You don't call that is a violent person?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 16:57:40 GMT -5
How can a religion be bad apart from its bad ideas? I think you’re saying religion can induce a quasi-hypnotic state, in which a person lives out ideas they haven’t critically examined. This is not a problem with religion in particular. Rather, it’s the human condition, however one may have become prejudiced against the truth, or fallen into ignorance of it. Healthy people grow through it. Healthy people stating that one particular religion is or has a saviour is not Healthy, and it is the bad idea. the more you speak the deeper that hole of atheism you go into...good luck getting out its fairly deep....atheist
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:01:18 GMT -5
Jesus has no dealings with the violent. what about the time he knocked down all those who came to get him in the garden by just saying "i am he" or do you think he was just playing a friendly game of tag with them?
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 17:10:12 GMT -5
Healthy people stating that one particular religion is or has a saviour is not Healthy, and it is the bad idea. the more you speak the deeper that hole of atheism you go into...good luck getting out its fairly deep....atheist That's how they treated Jesus as well....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:19:05 GMT -5
the more you speak the deeper that hole of atheism you go into...good luck getting out its fairly deep....atheist That's how they treated Jesus as well.... Jesus was never an atheist especially like you...good try though atheist...
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 17:40:41 GMT -5
That's how they treated Jesus as well.... Jesus was never an atheist especially like you...good try though atheist... You missed it wally....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:44:16 GMT -5
Jesus was never an atheist especially like you...good try though atheist... You missed it wally.... enlighten me then atheist....
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 22, 2021 18:00:33 GMT -5
Reminds me of a passage in Mark Chapter 9: "And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part." I rather suspect Jesus would have been similarly tolerant of QAnon and its links to Christianity. What links does QAnon have to Christianity? www.bing.com/search?q=QAnon+have+to+Christianity&cvid=deca2b31d64548f3852c61175678ceb7&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531
This site it gives a lot different views articles about QAnon and Christianity' Here are two:
How QAnon Conspiracy Is Spreading In Christian Communities Across The U.S.
What is QAnon? Why it's dangerous and how Christians can ...
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 18:11:31 GMT -5
enlighten me then atheist.... "they"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:42:46 GMT -5
enlighten me then atheist.... "they" then "they" doesn't change my post at all...good try though atheist....
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 18:50:20 GMT -5
what about the time he knocked down all those who came to get him in the garden by just saying "i am he" or do you think he was just playing a friendly game of tag with them? He submitted to the will of God and used no violence. The difference between Him and you is that you would have shot them all and He would still have forgiven them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:53:18 GMT -5
what about the time he knocked down all those who came to get him in the garden by just saying "i am he" or do you think he was just playing a friendly game of tag with them? He submitted to the will of God and used no violence. The difference between Him and you is that you would have shot them all and He would still have forgiven them. hmmmmm knocking people down is not violence? that wouldn't be biblical nor the historical understanding of violence in general elder... good try though
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 18:56:28 GMT -5
** How about the 2 times Jesus made whips and drove the money changers out of the temple court yard. Jesus turned over their tables and chased them out with the cords he made. You don't call that is a violent person? Did He hit any of them? I am only aware that Jesus only drove them out once, but if there is another time I would appreciate chapter and verse please.
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 18:59:45 GMT -5
He submitted to the will of God and used no violence. The difference between Him and you is that you would have shot them all and He would still have forgiven them. hmmmmm knocking people down is not violence? that wouldn't be biblical nor the historical understanding of violence in general elder... good try though John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; Where in that verse does it say He knocked people down. You speak of telling the truth but what you say is not true to the verse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:02:56 GMT -5
hmmmmm knocking people down is not violence? that wouldn't be biblical nor the historical understanding of violence in general elder... good try though John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; Where in that verse does it say He knocked people down. You speak of telling the truth but what you say is not true to the verse. oh dear you don't even know what i am referencing...elder joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. Joh 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Joh 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. sometimes the truth is painful elder....keep up...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:10:38 GMT -5
** How about the 2 times Jesus made whips and drove the money changers out of the temple court yard. Jesus turned over their tables and chased them out with the cords he made. You don't call that is a violent person? Did He hit any of them? I am only aware that Jesus only drove them out once, but if there is another time I would appreciate chapter and verse please. what do you think happens when a whip is used, tickling? what do you think happens when people are driven/drove out of any place with a whip, more tickling? do you have scripture to back up your suggestion that he flailed at the air?
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 19:10:55 GMT -5
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; Where in that verse does it say He knocked people down. You speak of telling the truth but what you say is not true to the verse. oh dear you don't even know what i am referencing...elder joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. Joh 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Joh 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. sometimes the truth is painful elder....keep up... Where did He knock them down? that is what you said He did.
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 19:13:42 GMT -5
Did He hit any of them? I am only aware that Jesus only drove them out once, but if there is another time I would appreciate chapter and verse please. what do you think happens when a whip is used, tickling? what do you think happens when people are driven/drove out of any place with a whip, more tickling? do you have scripture to back up your suggestion that he flailed at the air? You are adding unto what is written and then trying to make it true. If you believe that the Bible is true then there is not need for addition, if you add the the you see it as not being true. Don't forget you say you are telling the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:14:38 GMT -5
oh dear you don't even know what i am referencing...elder joh 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. Joh 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. Joh 18:3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Joh 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. sometimes the truth is painful elder....keep up... Where did He knock them down? that is what you said He did. ah that the blind could see and the deaf hear.... Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. if you are gonna deny that is not "knocking them down" you are in more trouble than i thought you were...elder
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:16:55 GMT -5
what do you think happens when a whip is used, tickling? what do you think happens when people are driven/drove out of any place with a whip, more tickling? do you have scripture to back up your suggestion that he flailed at the air? You are adding unto what is written and then trying to make it true. If you believe that the Bible is true then there is not need for addition, if you add the the you see it as not being true. Don't forget you say you are telling the truth. yeah right, where did i make anything up? you shouldn't lie like that elder...God doesn't like that....good try though mr. pollyanna....
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 19:20:46 GMT -5
You are adding unto what is written and then trying to make it true. If you believe that the Bible is true then there is not need for addition, if you add the the you see it as not being true. Don't forget you say you are telling the truth. yeah right, where did i make anything up? you shouldn't lie like that elder...God doesn't like that....good try though mr. pollyanna.... You said He knocked people down, that is untrue if you believe in what the scripture says. If you can prove what I am saying is untrue then you can call me a lair but if what I say is true then your words will be turned back on you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 19:22:56 GMT -5
yeah right, where did i make anything up? you shouldn't lie like that elder...God doesn't like that....good try though mr. pollyanna.... You said He knocked people down, that is untrue if you believe in what the scripture says. If you can prove what I am saying is untrue then you can call me a lair but if what I say is true then your words will be turned back on you. ah that the blind could see and the deaf hear.... Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. if you are gonna deny that is not "knocking them down" you are in more trouble than i thought you were...elder
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 19:24:26 GMT -5
Where did He knock them down? that is what you said He did. ah that the blind could see and the deaf hear.... Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. if you are gonna deny that is not "knocking them down" you are in more trouble than i thought you were...elder There is no evidence that He used physical violence on those men nor even touched them. It says they fell backward not pushed/shoved nor by any other means did they fall to the ground.
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Post by speak on Feb 22, 2021 19:28:35 GMT -5
You are adding unto what is written and then trying to make it true. If you believe that the Bible is true then there is not need for addition, if you add the the you see it as not being true. Don't forget you say you are telling the truth. yeah right, where did i make anything up? you shouldn't lie like that elder...God doesn't like that....good try though mr. pollyanna.... Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering. 2 Peter 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
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