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Post by speak on Jan 17, 2021 21:51:41 GMT -5
You are right Xna, one person standing, the other sitting. My eyes are failing, did not notice that before. The plot thickens. Actually cuzz there are 4, 2 on each side. Time for speck savers bud Did you notice the crack in the branch above?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 23:16:22 GMT -5
Thank you Speak, Nathan and his girlfriend are easy to pick out. Number 3 looks like a Worker in a suit. Can't find number 4.
Won't be getting new glasses, cutbacks. But at 82 you may not get your moneys worth from them. That is why I hesitate to buy a new Lawnmower.
Anyway if I don't see too clearly, I know my TMB friends will always help me out.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 18, 2021 1:52:24 GMT -5
Thanks Xna, I was glad to see that there was a leafy tree on the left side of the photo, and a couple of Coconut trees on the right. Leafy tree looks like a Sycamore, the right sort of tree to get under to receive a revelation. Someone is standing under it, at least no risk of them being bonked. Coconuts are palms, not a tree. Palms are member of the grass family
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 2:01:48 GMT -5
Curly, I found it a bit confusing, sometimes they are called Tree. A coconut tree is a type of palm tree, but not all palm trees are coconut trees. Although there is only one species of palm tree that can bear coconuts (Cocos nucifera), there is a large variety of different coconuts.
But anyway I am now convinced you would not get a Revelation under a Coconut Tree or Palm, where you might get bonked. That Sycamore looks more like a Revelation tree.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 18, 2021 2:08:14 GMT -5
Curly, I found it a bit confusing, sometimes they are called Tree. A coconut tree is a type of palm tree, but not all palm trees are coconut trees. Although there is only one species of palm tree that can bear coconuts (Cocos nucifera), there is a large variety of different coconuts. But anyway I am now convinced you would not get a Revelation under a Coconut Tree or Palm, where you might get bonked. That Sycamore looks more like a Revelation tree. One interesting aspect of the sycamore tree is how it's seeds fall to the ground. They are very light and float along in the breeze. Sometimes known here as the helicopter tree because of how the seed spins. Palms with upright stems are known as trees because of their upright nature. If one was to cut the stem in half you would see there is no sign of growth rings. This simple visual test was available to the goatherders and the iron age pillocks who wrote the bible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 2:53:56 GMT -5
Very interesting Curly. But seeing that Dorothea planted the tree it would have to be a Sycamore. She would know the significance of them in the Holy Land. Ram may be able to confirm that.
I wonder with a bit of Genetic modification could they develop a Sycanathan tree. I would buy one and plant in the back yard. Nice shady tree. Could sit under it sipping a Guinness and have hallucinations.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 18, 2021 3:15:41 GMT -5
Very interesting Curly. But seeing that Dorothea planted the tree it would have to be a Sycamore. She would know the significance of them in the Holy Land. Ram may be able to confirm that. I wonder with a bit of Genetic modification could they develop a Sycanathan tree. I would buy one and plant in the back yard. Nice shady tree. Could sit under it sipping a Guinness and have hallucinations. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWAoArY8U6gThis is what you will find under the Sycamore Tree. Enjoy.
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 7:11:14 GMT -5
So you cant grasp that your concept of hell did not exist. They did not have your concept of hell Nathan. So when you read OT and Hell you can only think of your Hell. Just like luke 16. Christ knew OT, not you new after Christ made up Hell. The hell in luke 16 was nothing like you want it to be. Those who don't see it like you will burn. ** Well, atheist you keep believing your hell on earth but AFTER death you will find out the taste of hell/hades realm of the dead souls then after the judgement day the beginning of the REAL hell hole Gahenna= the everlasting of torment, suffering and regrets in the lake of eternal fire. Nathan. Grasp that your idea of hell did not exist in the day of Christ. Did not exist. Christ taught from and knew OT. There is no Nathans Image of Hell in the OT. Your foundation that you always fall back on is many years AFTER Christ. Educate yourself.
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 7:25:26 GMT -5
What you cannot grasp is your hell didn't exist. Your hell wasn't a concept in the OT. So your concept of hell was never taught in luke 16. It come alone way later. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... No they were not all the same place or same result like you are thinking. They only become the same place/result when they added the word Hell into scripture. AFTER Christ. Grasp the reality that in Luke 16 your version of Hell did not exist to Christ. Why would I play word games with someone that cant understand words. Sheol/Grave Hades/Grave Gehenna/rubbish dump with fires. Hell was made up to scare the children. Seems its working.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 8:10:49 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... No they were not all the same place or same result like you are thinking. They only become the same place/result when they added the word Hell into scripture. AFTER Christ. Grasp the reality that in Luke 16 your version of Hell did not exist to Christ. Why would I play word games with someone that cant understand words. Sheol/Grave Hades/Grave Gehenna/rubbish dump with fires. Hell was made up to scare the children. Seems its working. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend...
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 8:19:31 GMT -5
No they were not all the same place or same result like you are thinking. They only become the same place/result when they added the word Hell into scripture. AFTER Christ. Grasp the reality that in Luke 16 your version of Hell did not exist to Christ. Why would I play word games with someone that cant understand words. Sheol/Grave Hades/Grave Gehenna/rubbish dump with fires. Hell was made up to scare the children. Seems its working. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... Copy and Paste still works wally. Good to see you haven't strayed from the path. Those who don't see it like me will burn. Lucky for those who don't see it like you wally, the fires in Gehenna have gone out. You should go there and look for yourself if you dont believe me. While you there go and look at the Gates of Hades.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 8:26:43 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... Copy and Paste still works wally. Good to see you haven't strayed from the path. Those who don't see it like me will burn. Lucky for those who don't see it like you wally, the fires in Gehenna have gone out. You should go there and look for yourself if you dont believe me. While you there go and look at the Gates of Hades. sometimes things bare repeating. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" that said hell won't end till its cast into the much worse lake of fire until then hell is waiting... luke 16...
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 8:36:23 GMT -5
Copy and Paste still works wally. Good to see you haven't strayed from the path. Those who don't see it like me will burn. Lucky for those who don't see it like you wally, the fires in Gehenna have gone out. You should go there and look for yourself if you dont believe me. While you there go and look at the Gates of Hades. sometimes things bare repeating. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" that said hell won't end till its cast into the much worse lake of fire until then hell is waiting... luke 16... It sure is www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g293983-i20382797-Jerusalem_Jerusalem_District.htmlAhhhh wally you sir are the walking definition of a hypocrit. Say one thing, then just scream the opposite threatingly. Your hell did not exist in luke 16. Your hell was made up by the RCC.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 18, 2021 8:44:10 GMT -5
Speaking of sacred trees, I think there is one in California. I was told that the "fig tree" that was on the Gilroy convention grounds was transported to the Mountain Ranch convention grounds when the convention was moved there. I'm not sure I ever saw it in either place -- maybe it was the one I liked to sit under in Mountain Ranch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 8:50:38 GMT -5
sometimes things bare repeating. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" that said hell won't end till its cast into the much worse lake of fire until then hell is waiting... luke 16... It sure is www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g293983-i20382797-Jerusalem_Jerusalem_District.htmlAhhhh wally you sir are the walking definition of a hypocrit. Say one thing, then just scream the opposite threatingly. Your hell did not exist in luke 16. Your hell was made up by the RCC. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i am quite positive that your definition of a hypocrite is more about people who tell you truths you don't like... the RCC did NOT exist in the 1st century...good try though
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Post by Gene on Jan 18, 2021 8:53:59 GMT -5
Copy and Paste still works wally. Good to see you haven't strayed from the path. Those who don't see it like me will burn. Lucky for those who don't see it like you wally, the fires in Gehenna have gone out. You should go there and look for yourself if you dont believe me. While you there go and look at the Gates of Hades. sometimes things bare repeating. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" that said hell won't end till its cast into the much worse lake of fire until then hell is waiting... luke 16... bear
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 9:41:28 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i am quite positive that your definition of a hypocrite is more about people who tell you truths you don't like... the RCC did NOT exist in the 1st century...good try though Wally you can look at pictures of Gehenna and the gates of Hades, but even with them right before your eyes you still want people to burn, they are in different locations yet you insist they are the same place. Go figure. Luckily Gehenna looks pretty green and no fires!. No the inventors of Hell did not exist in the 1st century did they wally.....
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2021 10:03:00 GMT -5
No they were not all the same place or same result like you are thinking. They only become the same place/result when they added the word Hell into scripture. AFTER Christ. Grasp the reality that in Luke 16 your version of Hell did not exist to Christ. Why would I play word games with someone that cant understand words. Sheol/Grave Hades/Grave Gehenna/rubbish dump with fires. Hell was made up to scare the children. Seems its working. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... Wally, he is an atheist now... therefore, Chuck doesn't believe in hell/hades/realm of the dead temporary prison after death and AFTER the judgement day cast into Gehenna/Lake of fire for eternity. Read Luke 16 Jesus talked about After Death, the unbelievers souls go Realm of the dead/Hades and Rev. chapters 20-21 God is telling us about Gehenna/Lake of fire/Second death for them forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 10:05:18 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i am quite positive that your definition of a hypocrite is more about people who tell you truths you don't like... the RCC did NOT exist in the 1st century...good try though Wally you can look at pictures of Gehenna and the gates of Hades, but even with them right before your eyes you still want people to burn, they are in different locations yet you insist they are the same place. Go figure. Luckily Gehenna looks pretty green and no fires!. No the inventors of Hell did not exist in the 1st century did they wally..... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" there are consequences/results in our future for our actions and words in this life and two destinations heaven or hell yours and others choices have nothing to do with my wants. hell is waiting... the books of the bible were written and finished by the end of the 1st century with the concepts of heaven and hell long before the RCC was even a twinkle in the eyes of its creators to blame them is to not know your history or bible... good try though...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 10:10:12 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... Wally, he is an atheist now... therefore, Chuck doesn't believe in hell/hades/realm of the dead temporary prison after death and AFTER the judgement day cast into Gehenna/Lake of fire for eternity. Read Luke 16 Jesus talked about After Death, the unbelievers souls go Realm of the dead/Hades and Rev. chapters 20-21 God is telling us about Gehenna/Lake of fire/Second death for them forever.
well said brother he actually fooled me for awhile i thought he was a JW or a confusing mish mash of a number of false doctrines but lo and behold the last couple weeks or so its been very revealing. by their fruits you shall know them rings ever true now...
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2021 10:20:02 GMT -5
Wally, he is an atheist now... therefore, Chuck doesn't believe in hell/hades/realm of the dead temporary prison after death and AFTER the judgement day cast into Gehenna/Lake of fire for eternity. Read Luke 16 Jesus talked about After Death, the unbelievers souls go Realm of the dead/Hades and Rev. chapters 20-21 God is telling us about Gehenna/Lake of fire/Second death for them forever.
well said brother he actually fooled me for awhile i thought he was a JW or a confusing mish mash of a number of false doctrines but lo and behold the last couple weeks or so its been very revealing. by their fruits you shall know them rings ever true now... Amen, the fruit begins to show through his posts. Chuck had read many information/teachings from JW, the Baptists, and other places so his mind, belief are all mixed up and it doesn't make any sense to MANY Christians believers.... It makes a lot of sense to the atheists because he thinks like them now. The atheists on here agree with many of his posts. Chuck is a non-exclusive 2x2s, but he has atheist heart and belief now.
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Post by mountain on Jan 18, 2021 10:48:46 GMT -5
well said brother he actually fooled me for awhile i thought he was a JW or a confusing mish mash of a number of false doctrines but lo and behold the last couple weeks or so its been very revealing. by their fruits you shall know them rings ever true now... Amen, the fruit begins to show through his posts. Chuck had read many information/teachings from JW, the Baptists, and other places so his mind, belief are all mixed up and it doesn't make any sense to MANY Christians believers.... It makes a lot of sense to the atheists because he thinks like them now. The atheists on here agree with many of his posts. Chuck is a non-exclusive 2x2s, but he has atheist heart and belief now.
Nathan, as you know, the true Gospel contains two (there's that number again!) essential ingredients: 1) A serious warning about the coming wrath of God. So dire is this message that it cannot refer merely to a human death or cessation of existence. 2) A message of hope or means of salvation from the wrath of God. John the Baptist spelled it out so clearly. Unsaved people were flocking to him to be baptised because of the bowel cleansing efficacy of item 1.This is clearly far more than a permanent non-existence. A lot can be inferred from indirect statements such as this. I'm sure you heard similar under the bows of the tree on Guam. By the way, was it a special meetings or convention type thing? Did they serve up stew with rice instead of potatoes? Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 17:46:25 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... Wally, he is an atheist now... therefore, Chuck doesn't believe in hell/hades/realm of the dead temporary prison after death and AFTER the judgement day cast into Gehenna/Lake of fire for eternity. Read Luke 16 Jesus talked about After Death, the unbelievers souls go Realm of the dead/Hades and Rev. chapters 20-21 God is telling us about Gehenna/Lake of fire/Second death for them forever.
I believe in them the way Christ taught them, along with some limited knowledge of their language, history, culture and concepts. You show complete disregard for all of the above. That is Ignorance.
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Post by chuck on Jan 18, 2021 18:00:31 GMT -5
Wally you can look at pictures of Gehenna and the gates of Hades, but even with them right before your eyes you still want people to burn, they are in different locations yet you insist they are the same place. Go figure. Luckily Gehenna looks pretty green and no fires!. No the inventors of Hell did not exist in the 1st century did they wally..... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" there are consequences/results in our future for our actions and words in this life and two destinations heaven or hell yours and others choices have nothing to do with my wants. hell is waiting... the books of the bible were written and finished by the end of the 1st century with the concepts of heaven and hell long before the RCC was even a twinkle in the eyes of its creators to blame them is to not know your history or bible... good try though... Like I said, in front of your face and you still disregard it. No your RCC born concepts of hell did not exist in the scriptures until many years of fiddling with them after Christ. A reality which seems to hard for you to comprehend. Your foundation is based on things injected into scriptures after Christ born out of man wanting to control man. You rubbish on about knowing history without knowing history. Like Gehenna is a place on earth. Sheoul is a grave. The gates of Hades in another place in another location on earth. Eternity was not your understanding of eternity. plus many more. You completely disregard these things with contempt because they put the way you see it in question. Hence those who do not see it like you, will burn in your mind. There could not possibly be any other way to look at it so others will burn. This is called Narcissism.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2021 18:02:52 GMT -5
Wally, he is an atheist now... therefore, Chuck doesn't believe in hell/hades/realm of the dead temporary prison after death and AFTER the judgement day cast into Gehenna/Lake of fire for eternity. Read Luke 16 Jesus talked about After Death, the unbelievers souls go Realm of the dead/Hades and Rev. chapters 20-21 God is telling us about Gehenna/Lake of fire/Second death for them forever.
I believe in them the way Christ taught them, along with some limited knowledge of their language, history, culture and concepts. You show complete disregard for all of the above. That is Ignorance. *** Wally and I showed you the gospel of Luke 16 Jesus own teachings VERY simple and plain, where he talked about Hell/Hades the the realm of the dead, where the souls of believers and unbelievers go to stay as their temporary homes in the Old Testament. The Old Testament believers WAIT patiencely for Jesus to pay for their sins on Calvary so, they could be set free and go home/heaven to be with God and Christ Satan is the god of this world, Adam and Eve SOLD their souls and their human children souls to Him in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth, where he keeps all of human souls. After the death of Jesus, his body stayed in the grave/sheol but His Spirit wemnt to Hades/Realm of the dead like all souls did. Jesus defeat death on Calvary and he paid for our sins in full. Therefore, Jesus Spirit went to Hades to set all of believers souls FREE from the paradise/Abraham bosom side, where the SAVED stayed until He came to rescue them and take them to their NEW home in heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 18:24:35 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" there are consequences/results in our future for our actions and words in this life and two destinations heaven or hell yours and others choices have nothing to do with my wants. hell is waiting... the books of the bible were written and finished by the end of the 1st century with the concepts of heaven and hell long before the RCC was even a twinkle in the eyes of its creators to blame them is to not know your history or bible... good try though... Like I said, in front of your face and you still disregard it. No your RCC born concepts of hell did not exist in the scriptures until many years of fiddling with them after Christ. A reality which seems to hard for you to comprehend. Your foundation is based on things injected into scriptures after Christ born out of man wanting to control man. You rubbish on about knowing history without knowing history. Like Gehenna is a place on earth. Sheoul is a grave. The gates of Hades in another place in another location on earth. Eternity was not your understanding of eternity. plus many more. You completely disregard these things with contempt because they put the way you see it in question. Hence those who do not see it like you, will burn in your mind. There could not possibly be any other way to look at it so others will burn. This is called Narcissism. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" there are consequences/results in our future for our actions and words in this life and two destinations heaven or hell yours and others choices have nothing to do with my wants. hell is waiting... the books of the bible were written and finished by the end of the 1st century with the concepts of heaven and hell long before the RCC was even a twinkle in the eyes of its creators to blame them is to not know your history or bible... good try though...
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Post by chuck on Jan 19, 2021 7:38:04 GMT -5
Like I said, in front of your face and you still disregard it. No your RCC born concepts of hell did not exist in the scriptures until many years of fiddling with them after Christ. A reality which seems to hard for you to comprehend. Your foundation is based on things injected into scriptures after Christ born out of man wanting to control man. You rubbish on about knowing history without knowing history. Like Gehenna is a place on earth. Sheoul is a grave. The gates of Hades in another place in another location on earth. Eternity was not your understanding of eternity. plus many more. You completely disregard these things with contempt because they put the way you see it in question. Hence those who do not see it like you, will burn in your mind. There could not possibly be any other way to look at it so others will burn. This is called Narcissism. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result...word games are not your friend... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" there are consequences/results in our future for our actions and words in this life and two destinations heaven or hell yours and others choices have nothing to do with my wants. hell is waiting... the books of the bible were written and finished by the end of the 1st century with the concepts of heaven and hell long before the RCC was even a twinkle in the eyes of its creators to blame them is to not know your history or bible... good try though... That's what I would say as well if I didnt understand anything wally, good plan.... if you say it enough you may not have to face the confronting facts that are presented that you have no asnwer for amd just wish away, a bit like Nathan putting lines through them..... that'll work....
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Post by chuck on Jan 19, 2021 7:48:32 GMT -5
I believe in them the way Christ taught them, along with some limited knowledge of their language, history, culture and concepts. You show complete disregard for all of the above. That is Ignorance. *** Wally and I showed you the gospel of Luke 16 Jesus own teachings VERY simple and plain, where he talked about Hell/Hades the the realm of the dead, where the souls of believers and unbelievers go to stay as their temporary homes in the Old Testament. The Old Testament believers WAIT patiencely for Jesus to pay for their sins on Calvary so, they could be set free and go home/heaven to be with God and Christ Satan is the god of this world, Adam and Eve SOLD their souls and their human children souls to Him in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth, where he keeps all of human souls. After the death of Jesus, his body stayed in the grave/sheol but His Spirit wemnt to Hades/Realm of the dead like all souls did. Jesus defeat death on Calvary and he paid for our sins in full. Therefore, Jesus Spirit went to Hades to set all of believers souls FREE from the paradise/Abraham bosom side, where the SAVED stayed until He came to rescue them and take them to their NEW home in heaven. The old school RCC would be so proud of their new poster boy........ keeping the flame alight........ The fire has gone our at Gehenna, go and see it with your own The gates of Hades can also ne visited, stop by there as well..... Your beggining to look unlearned Nathan. You cant except language, historical fact, present fact and so on. If someone doesn't see it like you or wally, they burn. You burn millions of North Koreans, going on your criteria, millions of Chinese as well, millions of Africans, ect eft ect, all because they dont see it like you and never will see it like you for various reason. You have missed the narrative of scripture by a country mile.
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