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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 27, 2020 19:51:33 GMT -5
Wally you keep being your eristic self, it reveals your true character. Thanks for the new word, Redback! eristic . This forum is good for introducing words I'd never ran across before.
eristic What is the difference between eristic and discourse?
It is more than persuasion, and it is more than discourse. It is a combination that wins an argument without regard to truth. Plato believed that the eristic style "did not constitute a method of argument" because to argue eristically is to consciously use fallacious arguments, which therefore weakens one's position.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 27, 2020 19:52:08 GMT -5
there is a fine line between arrogance and confidence but i believe i am tiptoeing on the side of confidence in Christ and the bible... Borrowing from another thread: Exactly matisse !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 19:52:52 GMT -5
being treated the same as the Lord is in no way saying that we are perfect. we can judge what is being done(right or wrong) what we can't do with any certainty is judge where someone will end up although former christians who have embraced atheism may be in serious trouble... Well you just proved that you are in fact judging others @wally !! You have proved the point with your "although" .....! sorry that isn't the truth i said "may be" not "will be"...good try though
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 27, 2020 19:54:56 GMT -5
Confidence in Christ or confidence in your arrogance @wally ? no i mention Christ or his principles far more often than myself on this forum...nice try though You mean you mention YOUR VIEWS of Christ @wally !! Thankfully there are others on here who are Christians and don't display the arrogance and self righteousness that you do !
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 27, 2020 20:02:13 GMT -5
Well you just proved that you are in fact judging others @wally !! You have proved the point with your "although" .....! sorry that isn't the truth i said "may be" not "will be"...good try though In that case you "maybe wrong" as well @wally, although you come across as being what your Lord called a Pharisee ....but of course I am not judging !!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 20:03:57 GMT -5
no i mention Christ or his principles far more often than myself on this forum...nice try though You mean you mention YOUR VIEWS of Christ @wally !! Thankfully there are others on here who are Christians and don't display the arrogance and self righteousness that you do ! no wrong again i often quote Christ and his scripture on this forum and a little more than 1900 years of understanding, again calling me names just means i am on the right track...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 20:08:40 GMT -5
sorry that isn't the truth i said "may be" not "will be"...good try though In that case you "maybe wrong" as well @wally , although you come across as being what your Lord called a Pharisee ....but of course I am not judging !!!!! saying i'm a pharisee over rejecting and calling out atheistic humanism or atheism shows a serious lack of understanding of the bible and christianity or even judaism, you might want to crack open your bible again and start reading it....
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 27, 2020 20:14:31 GMT -5
In that case you "maybe wrong" as well @wally , although you come across as being what your Lord called a Pharisee ....but of course I am not judging !!!!! saying i'm a pharisee over rejecting and calling out atheistic humanism or atheism shows a serious lack of understanding of the bible and christianity or even judaism, you might want to crack open your bible again and start reading it.... Maybe you need to brush up on reading it yourself @wally, you seem to have missed a few verses where your Lord mentions the danger of being "self righteous" !
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 27, 2020 20:15:30 GMT -5
You mean you mention YOUR VIEWS of Christ @wally !! Thankfully there are others on here who are Christians and don't display the arrogance and self righteousness that you do ! no wrong again i often quote Christ and his scripture on this forum and a little more than 1900 years of understanding, again calling me names just means i am on the right track... Of course you are....according to you !
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 27, 2020 20:20:14 GMT -5
There is no shortage of arrogance and condescension among human beings. I would expect to see some of the positive traits attributed to Jesus if there was any power in following his words. With you, I do not see any. I do see the positive in other people here on TMB, both religious (2x2 and other) as well as atheistic. like i said about curly when someone embraces atheism and abandons Christ, God and time have a way of taking away their vision, with you that is what i see... i think you see what you want to see based on your atheistic viewpoint, and to be honest its limited and that will lead to nowhere... That statement that, "God and time have a way of taking away their vision, " is the standard retort to those of us who have left the 2x2's.
Guess it is understandable given that you think your own belief is the only true one to have any validity.
But really, wally, -it is they who have the "limited" view point and in order to maintain that viewpoint one needs to see only what they want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 20:28:47 GMT -5
Wally you need to understand that with the internet that you use every day, there is more information available than what is contained in the Bible that was put together almost 2000 years ago. If you want to remain in the past with your head stuck in the Bible and be ignorant that is your choice. But don't try to change or criticise what others want to contribute, keep your mouth shut, or more correct fingers off the keyboard.
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Post by matisse on Dec 27, 2020 20:31:38 GMT -5
Regardless of belief or no belief in the existence of the supernatural, IMO, we all remain fully human and simply human...nothing more, nothing less. that is a nice thought but i don't see how it has any relevance to what we are discussing on this particular thread...regardless if we are human or not right is right and wrong is wrong.. It's a thread about humanism, wally, and so the opinion that we are all simply human is entirely relevant. All/none, black/white, either/or, right/wrong...while not uncommon, is a rather limited way for a human being to think.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 27, 2020 20:51:26 GMT -5
There is no shortage of arrogance and condescension among human beings. I would expect to see some of the positive traits attributed to Jesus if there was any power in following his words. With you, I do not see any. I do see the positive in other people here on TMB, both religious (2x2 and other) as well as atheistic. like i said about curly when someone embraces atheism and abandons Christ, God and time have a way of taking away their vision, with you that is what i see... i think you see what you want to see based on your atheistic viewpoint, and to be honest its limited and that will lead to nowhere... Of course atheism leads nowhere. There is nowhere after death, except in the imaginations of the religious.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 27, 2020 21:01:49 GMT -5
Guess you’d agree with this Epitaph - here lies an atheist, all dressed up , but nowhere to go . “ Cheers , Alvin
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:38:07 GMT -5
And of course these comments will attract others to follow Christ, not. I'm distressed to find myself agreeing with Speak more often of late... must resist! 😁
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:41:43 GMT -5
sure i do but the ends do not justify the means and your means is atheistic humanism(hardly biblical in the least)and your ignoring the christians around the world that do help with the destitute, education, english(why that matters is beyond me though), forced marriages, incest and the like.... I am not, you have no idea what else I do, and I am not going to say here. My means is not atheistic humanism, that is a blatant lie, and to say I am ignoring Christians around the world in other charities, is also a lie, and I think you should retract that. Wally has come very good at telling people that they are something when they are not, done the same to me.
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:46:10 GMT -5
Nope, I have no need to re-read it, wally! I read it right the first time . Pragmatic did not imply anything of the kind that you are claiming that he did. stay ignorant then... Stay arrogant then.
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:48:40 GMT -5
Wally you keep being eristic, probably comes naturally. You are very good at changing what someone has said to make it fit your thinking. Sort of annoying to us, but seems to give you some sort of satisfaction. It's called argument for arguments sake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 21:50:23 GMT -5
saying i'm a pharisee over rejecting and calling out atheistic humanism or atheism shows a serious lack of understanding of the bible and christianity or even judaism, you might want to crack open your bible again and start reading it.... Maybe you need to brush up on reading it yourself @wally , you seem to have missed a few verses where your Lord mentions the danger of being "self righteous" ! i've never said i am morally superior to any one here if i have i would like to see the post where i said that...nice try though
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:50:25 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion that we are wasting our time trying to talk sense to Wally, it's all in vain. There's no Christ displayed in him, that's for sure. He is only fooling himself, nobody else. It's never good to be narrow minded, it's the same as being prejudiced and it can create terrible problems in your life and the lives of those around you. Good time then to put him aside and converse with others.
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:51:52 GMT -5
That’s not nice of you to say Redback. Wally is standing up for the imperative of God. Humanism that appeals to God as it’s source is a superior and enduring animal compared to a humanism that imagines the human being in the place of God. Our communist enemy is capitalizing on our theological laziness. Upon a vacuum of atheism, it is the ambition of totalitarian regimes to “resemble the most high”. He is not, he is using God and His Christ as a hammer to batter others. The Christ like nature is missing.
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:53:13 GMT -5
Actions/words shows the character.
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:54:10 GMT -5
We believe a better people develop from a belief in God and a journey of refinement. No it is life in God.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 21:56:57 GMT -5
Wally you need to understand that with the internet that you use every day, there is more information available than what is contained in the Bible that was put together almost 2000 years ago. If you want to remain in the past with your head stuck in the Bible and be ignorant that is your choice. But don't try to change or criticise what others want to contribute, keep your mouth shut, or more correct fingers off the keyboard. the internet wont help you find salvation any better than the bible will. the internet will keep you busy though chasing every ideology out there. you don't have a clue what a Christian is suppose to be up and doing do you. this might be the time for you to stop speaking and start to listen or keep your fingers off the keyboard
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 21:57:00 GMT -5
Based on how you present yourself here, it is not clear to me how you would even know such a thing if it was even something to know. IMO your attitude is condescending and arrogant, two human traits NOT among your so-called 'Fruit of the Spirit'. well they called my Lord a bunch of names why should it be any different for me in this modern world when i speak the truth. i've never said i was superior to anyone here and i think confident is a better word than arrogant... So why do you act like you are superior?
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 22:00:10 GMT -5
When you don't listen you show a blatant lack of respect. Turning a deaf ear sends the message that you think you know more than they do, that you see no value in what they may have to share, and that you don't have enough respect for them to try to understand their point of view. Your opinion may not always be the right one, we need to be humble and honest enough to concede when we are wrong. there is no call in the bible to respect atheism or any of its precepts like what atheistic humanism presents. and you are not about listening you are about conversion and it bugs you to no end when someone rejects your new found atheistic views. one might note also that if i hadn't listened to what you and others had to say i would have not addressed all the points you are making. remember what i said about getting feedback? guess what your getting feedback on atheistic humanism. There is a call to love your neighbour, those people are still your neighbours and they have a God given soul whether they believe it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 22:00:53 GMT -5
that is generally what a worldly person says when they get caught doing something wrong and are called out on it...
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Post by speak on Dec 27, 2020 22:03:27 GMT -5
Well if you are an example of a Christian (which thankfully you are not) why would any one want to be one @wally ? What did Jesus say about the Pharisees? Be careful you don't trip on your self righteous "confidence" @wally ! there is a fine line between arrogance and confidence but i believe i am tiptoeing on the side of confidence in Christ and the bible... How are you able to tiptoe on the side of confidence in Christ and the bible when you use no likeness of love in your conversation?
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