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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 20:35:46 GMT -5
Pfffff I was never the son of God. Neither are you. So, sad for a man who professed for over 50 years, and had a Wed. Bible Study in his own home. He didn't know he was one of God's children. You can deny that you were NOT a child of God but I know I am, BobW.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 20:43:50 GMT -5
WTF makes you feel so sure N . ! You are not omnipresent . You are not God , may not even be a chosen one ! Not your call . Look 👀 over your shoulder always , darkness’s might come to all . Seriously dude are you so full of yourself . Your use of the bible is a trick you change it to suit you and you only . Got news for ya are just a human like us ! 🥂
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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 20:53:37 GMT -5
*** If you were God then you would understand why you think He needs angry management class in dealing with stiff neck, stubborn, disobedience Jews and the fallen humans race. It would be better for God to destroy us all and start making people as AI robots always do as He programs them to obey without talking back. I was just thinking about the rampage through the temple with a whip and flipping tables, etc. He was lucky there wasn't a white guy like Wally with a concealed carry license. Jesus could speak and lightning bolts would come down from the sky and kill them all, but he didn't. Jesus used some cords to chase them out. Here are some deeper meanings of why, Jesus drove the money changers and the animals from the temple court yards.
A basic interpretation of the event takes it at face value: Jesus was justly angered that worldly commercial activities had corrupted the holiness of the temple. But there is a deeper meaning to this story and the context makes it clear. In the Synoptic gospels—that is, Matthew, Mark, and Luke—the cleansing of the temple comes near the end of Jesus’ ministry, upon his entrance into Jerusalem, which culminates in his crucifixion. The story is recounted in the beginning of the Gospel of John, but the gospel writer makes the same connection more explicit for us: At this the Jews answered and said to him, “What sign can you show us for doing this?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews said, “This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and you will raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. Therefore, when he was raised from the dead/Resurrection, his disciples remembered that he had said this (John 2:18-22). This detail points to the deeper meaning of this passage: is it not most fitting that this challenge to the old way of sacrifices preceded their replacement—which was Christ’s one-time self-offering on the cross? The scholar concludes: As we have already implied, the expulsion of the beasts symbolized the new order of worship whose temple will have no sacrificial rite. If we do not understand the expulsion as a symbolic act, we have no reason for it since the animals were necessary and were not in themselves an abuse of the temple’s sanctity. Their removal was meant to symbolize the end of mediation toward God by sacrifice; the Mosaic system was not condemned but rather it was displaced as a result of its being superseded by the presence of Jesus. catholicexchange.com/deeper-meaning-story-jesus-moneychangers
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 20:58:36 GMT -5
My child was not a 2X2 . She has her eternity with a creator of her choice with her grandpa . I watched my child drop to her knees and pray in grocery store when we were told her grandma may not live . She ain’t no 2X2 . Probably prayed when ever she was in a trying moment ! She is with her grandpa now and isn’t Hades ! I guarantee that ! Stop shuffling the words of the bible .
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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 21:01:11 GMT -5
WTF makes you feel so sure N . ! You are not omnipresent . You are not God , may not even be a chosen one ! Not your call . Look 👀 over your shoulder always , darkness’s might come to all . Seriously dude are you so full of yourself . Your use of the bible is a trick you change it to suit you and you only . Got news for ya are just a human like us ! 🥂 The word of God said so John 1:12 But as many as received him/Jesus, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. I have KNOWN God working Spirit in my life over 40 years, I would be a liar if I said He didn't.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 21:03:17 GMT -5
You know of him , you don’t know him . Unless you are the only one on the planet to have a meet & greet .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 21:03:38 GMT -5
You know of him , you don’t know him . Unless you are the only one on the planet to have a meet & greet . Watch your words play with them . See how that works for ya ! Especially during these times .
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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 21:10:34 GMT -5
You know of him , you don’t know him . Unless you are the only one on the planet to have a meet & greet . That is your opinion... I KNOW God because he has answered MANY of my prayers, His leading and guidance for over 40 years. I know God the Father through Jesus/God the Son, his teachings, and personality... Jesus said to Philip in John 14:6-7
Jesus saith unto him/Philip, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 21:13:24 GMT -5
Braggers and losers don’t get to heaven . Just sit down and think 🤔 for once . Instead of copy and paste , be original in your mind and words . I can suggest a place for your bible .!!!....... Done with you !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 21:14:46 GMT -5
Look at your effing words ! Seriously dude ! I am done with you for today . Further you don’t heed your actions . You are unwilling . Especially during your writings . How can the God deal with you when you are unyielding of clay you are using chalk like kids on the sidewalk . Are you related to Trump , perhaps you can save his ass . Git adder jus sayin !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 21:27:04 GMT -5
I may have a broken mind but I am not stupid . Stop using your bible every time to switch the words to suit you . That is not a godly action .
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 11, 2020 21:47:36 GMT -5
2000 years is not the right comparison to be making. There are many other documents written at the same time as the New Testament which show that the apostles were teaching the early Christians a message of hell and eternal torture. If you want to make the argument that Christianity was perverted over the years or that there was a lack of understanding of the culture, you need to show that this ignorance initiated in the first 50-70 years after Jesus was crucified. The Apocalypse of Peter is one of the best examples of eternal torture in hell being taught, and it conservatively dates to 100AD. 21 And I saw also another place over against that one, very squalid; and it was a place of punishment, and they that were punished and the angels that punished them had their raiment dark, according to the air of the place. 22 And some there were there hanging by their tongues; and these were they that blasphemed the way of righteousness, and under them was laid fire flaming and tormenting them. 23 And there was a great lake full of flaming mire, wherein were certain men that turned away from righteousness; and angels, tormentors, were set over them. 24 And there were also others, women, hanged by their hair above that mire which boiled up; and these were they that adorned themselves for adultery. And the men that were joined with them in the defilement of adultery were hanging by their feet, and had their heads hidden in the mire, and said: We believed not that we should come unto this place. 25 And I saw the murderers and them that were consenting to them cast into a strait place full of evil, creeping things, and smitten by those beasts, and so turning themselves about in that torment. And upon them were set worms like clouds of darkness. And the souls of them that were murdered stood and looked upon the torment of those murderers and said: O God, righteous is thy judgement. 26 And hard by that place I saw another strait place wherein the discharge and the stench of them that were in torment ran down, and there was as it were a lake there. And there sat women up to their necks in that liquor, and over against them many children which were born out of due time sat crying: and from them went forth rays of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were they that conceived out of wedlock (?) and caused abortion. 27 And other men and women were being burned up to their middle and cast down in a dark place and scourged by evil spirits, and having their entrails devoured by worms that rested not. And these were they that had persecuted the righteous and delivered them up. 28 And near to them again were women and men gnawing their lips and in torment, and having iron heated in the fire set against their eyes. And these were they that did blaspheme and speak evil of the way of righteousness. 29 And over against these were yet others, men and women, gnawing their tongues and having flaming fire in their mouths. And these were the false witnesses. 30 And in another place were gravel-stones sharper than swords or any spit, heated with fire, and men and women clad in filthy rags rolled upon them in torment. And these were they that were rich and trusted in their riches, and had no pity upon orphans and widows but neglected the commandments of God. 31 And in another great lake full of foul matter (pus) and blood and boiling mire stood men and women up to their knees And these were they that lent money and demanded usury upon usury. 32 And other men and women being cast down from a great rock (precipice) fell (came) to the bottom, and again were driven by them that were set over them, to go up upon the rock, and thence were cast down to the bottom and had no rest from this torment. And these were they that did defile their bodies behaving as women: and the women that were with them were they that lay with one another as a man with a woman. 33 And beside that rock was a place full of much fire, and there stood men which with their own hands had made images for themselves instead of God, [And beside them other men and women] having rods of fire and smiting one another and never resting from this manner of torment.... 34 And yet others near unto them, men and women, burning and turning themselves about and roasted as in a pan. And these were they that forsook the way of God. Clearly that is not all figurative. Why do you assume it is all literal and that they thought it as all literl like you. We can see Hebrew had concepts they put into words. We can see they used stories to carry meaningful applications in life. We can see they had less than 10000 words while we have 10 times that many. We can see they felt their thoughts while we think them. We can see even the translation to greek started to lose its meaning. All of these things we can see if you want to look but yet you are dogmatic that it must be read literally. Why? Peter's understanding of Hebrew lore didnt change because you read it literally. To him Fire would have stil meant purify in a life application even though your read it fire burning someone literally. It's a vile and juvenile torture fantasy from a sick mind. Period.
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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 21:57:06 GMT -5
Why do you assume it is all literal and that they thought it as all literl like you. We can see Hebrew had concepts they put into words. We can see they used stories to carry meaningful applications in life. We can see they had less than 10000 words while we have 10 times that many. We can see they felt their thoughts while we think them. We can see even the translation to greek started to lose its meaning. All of these things we can see if you want to look but yet you are dogmatic that it must be read literally. Why? Peter's understanding of Hebrew lore didnt change because you read it literally. To him Fire would have stil meant purify in a life application even though your read it fire burning someone literally. It's a vile and juvenile torture fantasy from a sick mind. Period. It's God kingdom! His rules for those who want to ENTER to His New earth and heaven... God do NOT want Satan, the fallen angels, and the humans rebellious spirits to LIVE in the New earth heaven with the UNREPENTANT, rebellious spirits, greedy, trouble makers for others... Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels already ruined the First heaven and earth already. God did NOT want to live through that again in the New heaven and earth. Jesus said you sinners MUST be BORN again to enter the New earth and heaven/kingdom of God.
If you were God you would do the same thing! or worse to these trouble makers, stubborn, stiff necked, and evil people who resist Him every turn and thankless, people.
You are a man and don't KNOW things that God has to DEAL with daily. You are like an ant who thinks that he knows the mind of a man.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 11, 2020 22:03:06 GMT -5
Bahaha you can dish it out but can not take it. Then you put people down with names . No 1 is assured they will get the heaven promised to all 2X2’s . Man it feel so good slamming my head against the drywall’ it hurts , done with the drywall till tomorrow You have become unaware of where you may go . . Call me whatever ya want. Seems like it works well for you . Carry on . I am good !!!!!!!!
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 11, 2020 22:10:10 GMT -5
It's a vile and juvenile torture fantasy from a sick mind. Period. It's God kingdom! His rules for those who want to ENTER to His New earth and heaven... God do NOT want Satan, the fallen angels, and the humans rebellious spirits to LIVE in the New earth heaven with the UNREPENTANT, rebellious spirits, greedy, trouble makers for others... Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels already ruined the First heaven and earth already. God did NOT want to live through that again in the New heaven and earth. Jesus said you sinners MUST be BORN again to enter the New earth and heaven/kingdom of God.
If you were God you would do the same thing! or worse to these trouble makers, stubborn, stiff necked, and evil people who resist Him every turn and thankless, people.Would I? How do we view a human man who tortures his rebellious children? How do we view a human man who tortures his badly behaved pets? How do we view a human man who tortures his disobedient service animals?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 11, 2020 22:31:09 GMT -5
WTF makes you feel so sure N . ! You are not omnipresent . You are not God , may not even be a chosen one ! Not your call . Look 👀 over your shoulder always , darkness’s might come to all . Seriously dude are you so full of yourself . Your use of the bible is a trick you change it to suit you and you only . Got news for ya are just a human like us ! 🥂 Exactly 1chinesewhispers ! nathan doesn't seem to "get it" ! He thinks he knows it all, he obviously doesn't understand humility.
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Post by nathan on Oct 11, 2020 23:09:17 GMT -5
It's God kingdom! His rules for those who want to ENTER to His New earth and heaven... God do NOT want Satan, the fallen angels, and the humans rebellious spirits to LIVE in the New earth heaven with the UNREPENTANT, rebellious spirits, greedy, trouble makers for others... Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels already ruined the First heaven and earth already. God did NOT want to live through that again in the New heaven and earth. Jesus said you sinners MUST be BORN again to enter the New earth and heaven/kingdom of God.
If you were God you would do the same thing! or worse to these trouble makers, stubborn, stiff necked, and evil people who resist Him every turn and thankless, people. Would I? How do we view a human man who tortures his rebellious children? How do we view a human man who tortures his badly behaved pets? How do we view a human man who tortures his disobedient service animals? God gave Adam and Eve freewill.... eat the tree of life/to be with Christ, their Creator or the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil/Serpent-Satan. If you choose to partake the tree/fruit of Evil/Satan you will die naturally and separation from God. It was their own freewill and choice to choose to be Separate from God. God can't allow the spirits of disobedience in the New earth and heaven.
Death/eternal separation from God was the price they had to pay for choosing the Serpent/Satan instead of God and Christ.
Adam, Eve choice was for them and their humans children.... Satan is their god and they will be cast in the Lake of fire= Separation from God forever.
Christ God the Second person of the Godhead promised in Genesis 3:15 would come to earth and redeem or die in their place so Adam, Eve and all of their fallen children NOT to DIE Second death= Eternal separation from God/Lake of fire after the day of judgment.
Adam and Eve and their human children choose Death/eternal separation from God; Christ/God Jesus gives them ETERNAL Life with the Godhead. Jesus said in John 10: 10-11 The thief/Satan cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 11, 2020 23:41:20 GMT -5
WE have eight pages so far of people like Nathan telling us of their delusions and fantasies.
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Post by chuck on Oct 11, 2020 23:46:05 GMT -5
Why do you assume it is all literal and that they thought it as all literl like you. We can see Hebrew had concepts they put into words. We can see they used stories to carry meaningful applications in life. We can see they had less than 10000 words while we have 10 times that many. We can see they felt their thoughts while we think them. We can see even the translation to greek started to lose its meaning. All of these things we can see if you want to look but yet you are dogmatic that it must be read literally. Why? Peter's understanding of Hebrew lore didnt change because you read it literally. To him Fire would have stil meant purify in a life application even though your read it fire burning someone literally. It's a vile and juvenile torture fantasy from a sick mind. Period. Funny way to look at the past. You realise in the future they may be kind enough to say the same about you!. To these people the Bible or Torah was the most gracious book they could refer to. What you are doing is called static appropriation with no consideration of Historical Arc. The scriptures do not present a finalised ethic. You stop were the bible stops, take zero Hebraic understanding into consideration and then refer to those trying to understand it as the level of a juvenile.........
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 11, 2020 23:49:08 GMT -5
It's a vile and juvenile torture fantasy from a sick mind. Period. Funny way to look at the past. You realise in the future they may be kind enough to say the same about you!. To these people the Bible or Torah was the most gracious book they could refer to. What you are doing is called static appropriation with no consideration of Historical Arc. The scriptures do not present a finalised ethic. You stop were the bible stops, take zero Hebraic understanding into consideration and then refer to those trying to understand it as the level of a juvenile......... So it's on a par with a Harry Potter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 23:49:59 GMT -5
WE have eight pages so far of people like Nathan telling us of their delusions and fantasies. a few solutions for that you can scroll on by, you can block them or you can leave...
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Post by chuck on Oct 12, 2020 0:02:09 GMT -5
Funny way to look at the past. You realise in the future they may be kind enough to say the same about you!. To these people the Bible or Torah was the most gracious book they could refer to. What you are doing is called static appropriation with no consideration of Historical Arc. The scriptures do not present a finalised ethic. You stop were the bible stops, take zero Hebraic understanding into consideration and then refer to those trying to understand it as the level of a juvenile......... So it's on a par with a Harry Potter. If you want to have a go at someones intelligence I would ask. Why would you read something in the manner you do when you were never the intended audience?.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 12, 2020 0:05:42 GMT -5
So it's on a par with a Harry Potter. If you want to have a go at someones intelligence I would ask. Why would you read something in the manner you do when you were never the intended audience?. Oh I see, playing the intelligentsia game are we?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 12, 2020 0:07:44 GMT -5
So it's on a par with a Harry Potter. If you want to have a go at someones intelligence I would ask. Why would you read something in the manner you do when you were never the intended audience?. Why not?
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Post by chuck on Oct 12, 2020 0:10:11 GMT -5
If you want to have a go at someones intelligence I would ask. Why would you read something in the manner you do when you were never the intended audience?. Why not? Why would you?.
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Post by chuck on Oct 12, 2020 0:15:35 GMT -5
If you want to have a go at someones intelligence I would ask. Why would you read something in the manner you do when you were never the intended audience?. Oh I see, playing the intelligentsia game are we? Is that your answer?.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 12, 2020 0:17:23 GMT -5
Oh I see, playing the intelligentsia game are we? Is that your answer?. If the hat fits, go wear it.
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Post by chuck on Oct 12, 2020 0:21:47 GMT -5
If the hat fits, go wear it. So you just don't know, or you dont want to know, or because that's just what everyone else did.....
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