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Post by hydropillar on Sept 29, 2020 19:36:57 GMT -5
I have been a born and raised 2x2 ...... all the workers i ever met were sincere and i never experienced any thing like you all talk about!
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2020 20:11:21 GMT -5
I have been a born and raised 2x2 ...... all the workers i ever met were sincere and i never experienced any thing like you all talk about! ** Which state do you live in? How old are you? Some of us on here can provide history of 2x2 CSA the last 20 yrs for you to read and hopefully the overseers don't repeat the same mistakes again. Here are some history of 2x2s workers and the friends who were involved with CSA in the past. wingsfortruth.info/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 21:44:58 GMT -5
I have been a born and raised 2x2 ...... all the workers i ever met were sincere and i never experienced any thing like you all talk about! it can be a mind shaking realization that there are some in the truth that have done the CSA thing...
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2020 22:54:23 GMT -5
I have been a born and raised 2x2 ...... all the workers i ever met were sincere and i never experienced any thing like you all talk about! it can be a mind shaking realization that there are some in the truth that have done the CSA thing... Yes, it happened and hopefully, with the new CSA guidelines for workers, No tolerance! within the ministry and fellowship will eventually eradicate CSA among us/2x2 and the throughout the world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 23:12:41 GMT -5
it can be a mind shaking realization that there are some in the truth that have done the CSA thing... Yes, it happened and hopefully, with the new CSA guidelines for workers, No tolerance! within the ministry and fellowship will eventually eradicate CSA among us/2x2 and the throughout the world.i doubt that it will happen anytime soon people are born that way for the most part at best we can only pray for early detection so fewer victims...
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2020 23:35:10 GMT -5
Yes, it happened and hopefully, with the new CSA guidelines for workers, No tolerance! within the ministry and fellowship will eventually eradicate CSA among us/2x2 and the throughout the world. i doubt that it will happen anytime soon people are born that way for the most part at best we can only pray for early detection so fewer victims... We can only hope, Wally.... Evil will continue on in this world but we don't want to encourage it by sweeping under the carpet and cover it up like they did in the past when they knew better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 14:26:56 GMT -5
I have been a born and raised 2x2 ...... all the workers i ever met were sincere and i never experienced any thing like you all talk about! Hydropillah, I too a few years ago would have said exactly the same as you. There is no way that we would have ever believed that those Workers we loved and revered would be involved in such behaviour.The thought never came into our minds because it was abhorrent. It took me a long while to accept that it did happen. It came as a real shock when Brother Workers I grew up with were convicted and sent to jail. Just last week I learnt that a Worker that we had in our home a few years ago, after we had left the 2x2's has been charged with CSA offences. I am still trying to get over the shock of that sad news. The thing that I find hard to get my head around is to why such behaviour crept into the Churches. It is wrong to single out the 2x2's, because it has been a scourge in many Churches. And that is the hard part to understand as to why Teachers who are exorting people to reach a better standard for their lives would resort to such behaviour. It completely shakes your faith and confidence in the whole religious system. I believe that is why many people are turning away from religion that to some extent has failed humanity. Many are becoming more humanitarian and complying to the moral standards that we should all observe. Mountain has mentioned that this evil has always been present in human behaviour. And it is a sad fact, we always knew it took place in the Navy. Lord Nelson, one of Britain's most revered national heroes , might have been a paedophile, according to the family of a young boy who shared a cabin with him on HMS Victory. We wrongly accepted that and perhaps that allowed the evil to remain. I guess there is some hope for the future because of the work being done to stamp it out. It is only by working together in a positive way that progress will be made. The Australian Government is to be commended for what it has done. I also admire a man who is an ex 2x2 who has put himself out there to make the Workers more aware of what they need to do. It is encouraging that the Workers are having dialog with him and responding to information that is being provided to them. We also acknowledge the great work done by Scott Ross over the years, particularly setting up Wings as a support forum for victims. It is only by working together and not against one another that this evil will be eradicated.
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Post by nathan on Sept 30, 2020 16:39:01 GMT -5
We can only hope, Wally.... Evil will continue on in this world but we don't want to encourage it by sweeping it under the carpet and cover it up like they did in the past when they knew better. I think it all started in the USA back in the early 1860s? Back then there were some people waving flags with CSA printed on them. This preceded the commencement of Irvine's movement.There was a big effort to stamp it out but clearly some survived. *** CSA problem has been around for centuries it was a taboo subject! and it was NOT to discuss or talk about it openly in public. The RCC CSA scandal with the pedo. Priests in the year 2000 opened the door for the authority to prosecute and sent the abusers to prison. The overseers knew this and they sent CSA workers to hide them in different states and countries beliving they would change their sick behaviors but it created more victims among the friends children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 0:14:14 GMT -5
I hear you - I was b&r as well, and I remember thinking that csa was a terrible evil that was a problem for other worldly "false" churches.
Turns out ours was simply better at hiding it and bullying the victims. I've since learned of the sexual abuse of about a dozen women I know personally (none of which was brought to light, and which was dismissed by workers). And that's just a tiny sample size.
I learned last month that one of my favorite workers (everyone loves him] is a pervert, making passes and inappropriately touching teenage girls in the homes he stays in. And guarantee you nothing happens to him.
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Post by mountain on Oct 1, 2020 13:51:37 GMT -5
I think it all started in the USA back in the early 1860s? Back then there were some people waving flags with CSA printed on them. This preceded the commencement of Irvine's movement.There was a big effort to stamp it out but clearly some survived. *** CSA problem has been around for centuries it was a taboo subject! and it was NOT to discuss or talk it openly in public. The RCC CSA scandal with the pedo. Priests in the year 2000 opened the door for the authority to prosecute and sent the abusers to prison. The overseers knew this and they sent CSA workers to hide them in different states and countries beliving they would change their sick behaviors but it created more victims among the friends children. The early to mid 1860s in the States saw a massive movement to wipe out CSA supporters. Hundreds of thousands were killed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 1, 2020 14:03:22 GMT -5
*** CSA problem has been around for centuries it was a taboo subject! and it was NOT to discuss or talk it openly in public. The RCC CSA scandal with the pedo. Priests in the year 2000 opened the door for the authority to prosecute and sent the abusers to prison. The overseers knew this and they sent CSA workers to hide them in different states and countries beliving they would change their sick behaviors but it created more victims among the friends children. The early to mid 1860s in the States saw a massive movement to wipe out CSA supporters. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Come on, Ram, -you know very well that the CSA being discussed here is NOT the CSA (Confederate States of America)!
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 14:59:35 GMT -5
*** CSA problem has been around for centuries it was a taboo subject! and it was NOT to discuss or talk it openly in public. The RCC CSA scandal with the pedo. Priests in the year 2000 opened the door for the authority to prosecute and sent the abusers to prison. The overseers knew this and they sent CSA workers to hide them in different states and countries beliving they would change their sick behaviors but it created more victims among the friends children. The early to mid 1860s in the States saw a massive movement to wipe out CSA supporters. Hundreds of thousands were killed. *** It was back then, but it didn't continue on, look what happened to the RCC altar boys who had been sexually abused by the priests since 1950s or earlier in the states and hardly anyone talked about it openly until the yr 2000.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2020 18:49:01 GMT -5
The early to mid 1860s in the States saw a massive movement to wipe out CSA supporters. Hundreds of thousands were killed. *** It was back then, but it didn't continue on, look what happened to the RCC altar boys who had been sexually abused by the priests since 1950s or earlier in the states and hardly anyone talked about it openly until the yr 2000. Goofy.
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Post by nathan on Oct 1, 2020 21:24:15 GMT -5
*** It was back then, but it didn't continue on, look what happened to the RCC altar boys who had been sexually abused by the priests since 1950s or earlier in the states and hardly anyone talked about it openly until the yr 2000. Goofy. ** It's you who is Goofy.
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Post by Annan on Oct 2, 2020 7:09:37 GMT -5
** It's you who is Goofy. You seriously need to work on your insults, Nathan.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 14:32:52 GMT -5
Hydropillar Here is a great example . He was a worker , left the work to marry . Married Jenise who was a worker as well and she was no longer a worker . They hooked up and how many victims ? FLORENCE, Ala. – A former Florence man who authorities said spent years sexually and physically abusing children in his care will spend at least the next two decades in prison.
Daniel Wayne Spurgeon, 50, was sentenced Monday morning in Lauderdale County Circuit Court.
Spurgeon pleaded guilty last month to two counts of child rape, one count of sexual torture and 11 counts of aggravated child abuse.
Under the plea agreement reached with prosecutors, Spurgeon received 25 years on the sex abuse charges and 20 years for the other charges. The sentences will run concurrently.
With time served, Spurgeon won’t be eligible for release until 2041, since the agreement stipulates no parole.
Spurgeon and his wife Jenise were approved foster parents who lived in Florence until August 2015. In July 2016, police in Cape Coral, Fla., were called to a fast food restaurant on a report of some intoxicated teenagers. Officers found three teens who said their father had given them alcohol.
Investigators looked deeper into the case and said they discovered Daniel Spurgeon had been physically and sexually abusing the foster children.
He and his wife were brought back to Florence to face charges.
Jenise Spurgeon is charged with aggravated child abuse. Police say she choked and smacked the children and prevented them from receiving health care.
She’s set to go to trial in October. How many victims , collateral damage , mental health issue , disgusting . But hidden in plane site . Will the victims recover ? We’re they compensated Some never recover . The abuse devours us from inside . Just a example of the TRUTH AND WAY !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 14:35:39 GMT -5
Can’t hide that one . Any word about the victims from the worker’s ? Nope , cause they would have to tell you a lie . I asked many and never go a answer . Why no answer , well they would have to lie . Sickening and disgusting . I changed forever . But I am a survivor . 💥 💥 BAM over 50 years a whole lot of abuse . It continues , don’t lull yourself into thinking it doesn’t happen .Hydropillar I have tried to take my life many times .The scars are on me , inward and outward . CSA went on and my girls endured as well it . 50 years . The stories are gruesome , evil , disgusting behaviour , devastating , everlasting believe me . My oldest daughter was abused . She choose a way of life on drugs working the streets . She had only told me a few years ago about her abuse . She used drugs to stop the pain . Numb She is dead at age 39 . My beautiful daughter please rest easy now . You are safe . We miss you so much , her grandma cries every - time we FaceTime . Her grandma has been in the WAY FOR 78 YEARS . Her tolerance for this is nil . She will speak about it , no problem . She saw a lot of CSA in her time . It still happens ! Be vigilant ! Plus if you know something START SINGING LIKE A BIRD . Otherwise you are complicit .
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Post by mountain on Oct 2, 2020 16:32:54 GMT -5
The early to mid 1860s in the States saw a massive movement to wipe out CSA supporters. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Come on, Ram, -you know very well that the CSA being discussed here is NOT the CSA (Confederate States of America)! I give up.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 17:07:47 GMT -5
Ipsedixit I hope it has been brought up to doctors , who bring in the police and sexual abuse worker’s and they receive treatment they and lastly worker’s . Don’t give them time to shuffle that worker , like they do . I can shout out a name if needed . What would be the worst that could happen to me by saying a name ? A lawsuit , bring it I am poor so good luck there . Been to jail it’s not to bad . . Because the worst event in life has been my daughter’s death . She endured CSA at Didsbury , right after she professed the night before . AGE 9 . If anyone thought 💭 I was pissed off before they are so right .
So I say to all abusers game on . We will find you ! Just another public service announcement .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 17:32:52 GMT -5
Favourite worker , nice worker=CSA and grooming and what a huge group they can pick from . We were taught/brainwashed to revere the worker’s ! Scared to speak because that is how it works . Again good worker’s and bad .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 21:14:24 GMT -5
Tonight I will finally write my daughter’s obituary . A CSA survivor , but not able to fight off COVID19 . Tough girl , good scarpers in our family . Held her on my floor many times while waiting for police , they snow planted her face on the way out . Dragging her out of a car a bar , you name it we were fighting for her life . I understand now exactly how broken she was . If I could turn back time , na is was fun . It seemed like this obituary was never gonna get written and people are asking my poor mom . But in my travels I run into junkie’s , hey I am a junkie . The word is out on the street . Please let me pick the right words .
But she gave and she loved so much . It has taken sometime to believe it truly happened . Each day I reach to call her and then I remember she is forever gone . I have her ashes on my dresser . There will be no funeral . Just a very private and spiritual time that 2X2’s can comfort my mom . She needs closure it’s , invitation only . I will not attend . It’s for her grandma . Over the course of weeks I have become angry and angrier . So tonight I will write and weep . She was BATTERD , she was broken from CSA , but she loved and we loved her . So yep word is on our the street , seeing people I have not seen in years . Walking to me hoping that the name is wrong . I say no it was her , they cry 😢 I wish I could tell you how beautiful she was in and out . She was !!! I spoke with my son-in-laws doctors , he has less than a year of life . He has a phone by his bed in a new unit . I speak with him 3 times a day . He cry’s for her . I get it . He will be in hospital for months to come . There is nothing they can do do to his to health problem’s that he already has . So we talked about a hour ago about the obituary . He needs to be recognized . He did everything for her , including changing her diaper . He so loved her ! So that’s all ! ✌️ Out CSA CAN KILL ! Make no mistake .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 21:27:18 GMT -5
Caroline Patricia Gallant - Brooks born August 5 1981 @ 5 pounds 1@ a half ounce . At 8:13 pm she arrived . The first to hold her my mom , then my dad and his smitten and she had wrapped him around his finger Father and family never came . My love now is the time !! It has taken every ounce we could . I can do this now
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Oct 2, 2020 21:57:31 GMT -5
However it has been a blessing to our family . As soon as Dr Vause from AARC heard he called me . That was Caroline’s first rehab . She graduated at 13 years old . He asked me to come speak of her life . I am honoured ! It had been 26 years since I last saw him . He asked me to bring her ashes with me . So yep Caroline and I are on a new journey . I will take the black box with her remains . I will walk to the front with a black box , and say ! Here is the guest of honour . Say her name and put that box in front , on the podium . For the clients and guests and families . Reality may scare someone straight . We hope and pray they get the message .
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Post by Dan on Oct 3, 2020 4:10:39 GMT -5
However it has been a blessing to our family . As soon as Dr Vause from AARC heard he called me . That was Caroline’s first rehab . She graduated at 13 years old . He asked me to come speak of her life . I am honoured ! It had been 26 years since I last saw him . He asked me to bring her ashes with me . So yep Caroline and I are on a new journey . I will take the black box with her remains . I will walk to the front with a black box , and say ! Here is the guest of honour . Say her name and put that box in front , on the podium . For the clients and guests and families . Reality may scare someone straight . We hope and pray they get the message .
Nice of you to do that, I think your daughter would have been proud and certainly would have wanted her Mom to carry on. I know its been tough, but your certainly honoring her life and struggles by encouraging others to avoid a similar destructive path in the aftermath of child sexual abuse. Stay strong in remembrance of her, I'm sure she would have wanted that.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 3, 2020 9:51:44 GMT -5
One of the most frequently sung hymns pleads:
Cleanse us, Lord, from all that grieveth Thy best Spirit, Holy Guest. Comforter, from heaven descending, Find in us Thy rest.
The friends and workers are very sincere. If the Bible said to eliminate CSA, they would. If they received instructions in the place of prayer to eliminate CSA, they would. No question.
God is the one who decides that what is grievous.
For over a century, God has directed the workers to cleanse how people dress, what their hair looks like, and television/radios. These are the things that are considered grievous in heaven.
That is just reality, whether we humans like it or not. From history, it is pretty clear that God doesn't care about the Truth or any other church becoming a pedophile's amusement park. Only secular authorities can be counted on in that regard.
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2020 11:45:53 GMT -5
One of the most frequently sung hymns pleads: Cleanse us, Lord, from all that grieveth Thy best Spirit, Holy Guest. Comforter, from heaven descending, Find in us Thy rest.
The friends and workers are very sincere. If the Bible said to eliminate CSA, they would. If they received instructions in the place of prayer to eliminate CSA, they would. No question. God is the one who decides that what is grievous. For over a century, God has directed the workers to cleanse how people dress, what their hair looks like, and television/radios. These are the things that are considered grievous in heaven. That is just reality, whether we humans like it or not. From history, it is pretty clear that God doesn't care about the Truth or any other church becoming a pedophile's amusement park. Only secular authorities can be counted on in that regard. ** Your observation and opinion are NOT quite TRUE, here is why... 2000 yrs ago, Jesus/God said NOT to offend the little children in anyway because they are going going pay for their sins either in this LIFE time and forever after the judgment day. Jesus/God had many harsh words and warnings to the 7 churches who committed sexual sins, fornication, teachings false teachings, lukewarm service, and so on. Christ/ God cares about these things are happening within the ministry and followers. He told them to REPENT of their sins or their names from the book of life! It is still the same rules/warnings yesterday, today and forever. Jesus Christ/God cares what is going on in the world and bad things are happening within the 2x2 ministry and people.
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Post by Annan on Oct 3, 2020 12:08:24 GMT -5
One of the most frequently sung hymns pleads: Cleanse us, Lord, from all that grieveth Thy best Spirit, Holy Guest. Comforter, from heaven descending, Find in us Thy rest.
The friends and workers are very sincere. If the Bible said to eliminate CSA, they would. If they received instructions in the place of prayer to eliminate CSA, they would. No question. God is the one who decides that what is grievous. For over a century, God has directed the workers to cleanse how people dress, what their hair looks like, and television/radios. These are the things that are considered grievous in heaven. That is just reality, whether we humans like it or not. From history, it is pretty clear that God doesn't care about the Truth or any other church becoming a pedophile's amusement park. Only secular authorities can be counted on in that regard. ** Your observation and opinion are NOT TRUE, here is why... 2000 yrs ago, Jesus/God said NOT to offend the little children in anyway because they are going going pay for their sins either in this LIFE time and forever after the judgment day. Jesus/God had many harsh words and warnings to the 7 churches who committed sexual sins, fornication, teachings false teachings, lukewarm service, and so on. Christ/ God cares about these things are happening within the ministry and followers. He told them to REPENT of their sins or their names from the book of life! It is still the same rules/warnings yesterday, today and forever. Jesus Christ/God cares what is going on in the world and bad things are happening within the 2x2 ministry and people. *** Listen up, you little twerp!
Would you stop a child from being raped if you could? Your god doesn't! He lets it happen!
Then he offers forgiveness to the perpetrator if they repent and offers nothing to the victim but years of mental suffering!
Your god is a sadistic bastard!!!
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Post by nathan on Oct 3, 2020 12:31:19 GMT -5
*** Listen up, you little twerp!
Would you stop a child from being raped if you could? Your god doesn't! He lets it happen!
Then he offers forgiveness to the perpetrator if they repent and offers nothing to the victim but years of mental suffering!
Your god is a sadistic bastard!!! ** You, are a witch... You don't believe God so, what are you, babbling about? Don't Worry, my God will make these perverts pay their SINS later, BIG TIME. Many will pay for their sins in this life one way or another. My God is a God of mercy, He wants to give them time to REPENT of their evil ways. After death it will be too late for them to change/repent. There are authorities and laws can't kill these perverts because is inhumane. God will the care of them in the judgment day. Many of these murders, perverts think they get away with their crimes, but NOT in the NEXT life. God has many CSA counselors, doctors and others professionals to help the victims and abusers to get on with their lives.
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