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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 14, 2020 15:26:53 GMT -5
What makes you think I was addressing your post? I just shared my own understanding. I understand that you're quite sensitive about people commenting on your posts. Oh I don't know Bob, the fact my post was in the background and you agreeing with dmmichgood in her rebuttal to my post wasn't pointed at all. Just like most of your recent posts not pointed at all. You can comment all you want, your tone sucks thought Bob. I apologize. I do realize you're sensitive about these things.
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Post by Grant on Aug 14, 2020 16:18:42 GMT -5
Oh I don't know Bob, the fact my post was in the background and you agreeing with dmmichgood in her rebuttal to my post wasn't pointed at all. Just like most of your recent posts not pointed at all. You can comment all you want, your tone sucks thought Bob. I apologize. I do realize you're sensitive about these things. <<< gaslighting lately Bob >>>
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 14, 2020 16:21:51 GMT -5
I apologize. I do realize you're sensitive about these things. <<< gaslighting lately Bob >>> What's wrong with being sensitive? I've quite sensitive myself.
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Post by Grant on Aug 14, 2020 16:51:12 GMT -5
So projecting?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 14, 2020 16:57:48 GMT -5
No. I wouldn't say that about you.
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Post by Grant on Aug 14, 2020 17:21:34 GMT -5
No. I wouldn't say that about you. Gas lighting and projecting again Bob. As you know, I was responding to your post.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 14, 2020 17:22:32 GMT -5
No. I wouldn't say that about you. Gas lighting and projecting again Bob. As you know, I was responding to your post. And I was responding to yours. Take it personally.
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Post by Grant on Aug 14, 2020 17:24:19 GMT -5
You are gaslighting to the full today, Bob or are you just having a bit of a comprehension problem?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 14, 2020 17:53:19 GMT -5
You are gaslighting to the full today, Bob or are you just having a bit of a comprehension problem? You missed something. People practice gaslighting to accomplish some desired compliance in others -- but I just don't care who thinks what. I don't need much in the way of compliance from other people.
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Post by chuck on Aug 27, 2020 1:13:08 GMT -5
Oh I don't know Bob, the fact my post was in the background and you agreeing with dmmichgood in her rebuttal to my post wasn't pointed at all. Just like most of your recent posts not pointed at all. You can comment all you want, your tone sucks thought Bob. I apologize. I do realize you're sensitive about these things. Not only are you clever, you now can redefine words.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 27, 2020 5:25:36 GMT -5
I apologize. I do realize you're sensitive about these things. Not only are you clever, you now can redefine words. What was wrong with what I just said?
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Post by chuck on Aug 28, 2020 7:45:49 GMT -5
Not only are you clever, you now can redefine words. What was wrong with what I just said? Well apparently pointing out things are sensitive. Just because I point something out does not mean I'm sensitive. It means I'm pointing something out.......
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 28, 2020 12:06:22 GMT -5
What was wrong with what I just said? Well apparently pointing out things are sensitive. Just because I point something out does not mean I'm sensitive. It means I'm pointing something out....... Well, maybe not. Who knows?
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Post by Annan on Sept 4, 2020 11:33:38 GMT -5
These scriptures having me wondering how anyone can believe in the trinity. I remember my parents preaching at me that the trinity was a false doctrine. They didn't have anyone else to talk to in our area, so they preached to us kids who scratched out heads wondering what was up.
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
NATHAN???
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 17:12:44 GMT -5
These scriptures having me wondering how anyone can believe in the trinity. I remember my parents preaching at me that the trinity was a false doctrine. They didn't have anyone else to talk to in our area, so they preached to us kids who scratched out heads wondering what was up. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32 NATHAN??? ** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 4, 2020 17:41:04 GMT -5
These scriptures having me wondering how anyone can believe in the trinity. I remember my parents preaching at me that the trinity was a false doctrine. They didn't have anyone else to talk to in our area, so they preached to us kids who scratched out heads wondering what was up. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32 NATHAN??? Annan, I've cited these exact same verses many times myself.
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Post by jetmech on Sept 6, 2020 18:02:56 GMT -5
Why Christians MUST abandon the use of the word TRINITY youtu.be/KmgOBJuCpQUHere's another reason or Christians to understand what "GODHEAD" really means and abandon the word trinity clear out of our vocabularies: youtu.be/Bh3n1Y_J_ak
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 21:51:52 GMT -5
Why Christians MUST abandon the use of the word TRINITY youtu.be/KmgOBJuCpQUHere's another reason or Christians to understand what "GODHEAD" really means and abandon the word trinity clear out of our vocabularies: youtu.be/Bh3n1Y_J_aki might have to disagree with that...trinity for me is a concept not a name...when i pray i don't use the word trinity for anything...
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Post by jetmech on Sept 6, 2020 23:13:10 GMT -5
Why Christians MUST abandon the use of the word TRINITY youtu.be/KmgOBJuCpQUHere's another reason or Christians to understand what "GODHEAD" really means and abandon the word trinity clear out of our vocabularies: youtu.be/Bh3n1Y_J_aki might have to disagree with that...trinity for me is a concept not a name...when i pray i don't use the word trinity for anything... Thanks,and I appreciate your honesty. The idea that trinity is a name didn't come from me. It came from the narrator of the second video I posted the link to. It's ironic that I actually felt the same way as you expressed here as I watched the narrator of that video discribe the word 'trinity' as being a girls' name, then as he proceeded to go on and describe the concept of the trinity as being just a word. To be honest, I didn't like the 'word' concept at all. In my mind, as the narrator describes the concept of the word 'trinity' being used to describe GOD, JESUS, AND HOLY GHOST as being all in one person ... the " ... blessed trinity..." I believe "packaging" is more accurate, and placing a 'label' on that package called 'trinity' for brevity, and the ease and convenience of having all thee entities 'packaged' into one word. When I pray I see the three entities, GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the HOLY GHOST (or HOLY SPIRIT), as all separate entities but in complete agreement; which can be described as 'of the same mind' just like my identical twin and I are. I read in Romans where Jesus told a man " ... so far, you have prayed in the name of no one ..." Then, he continued " ... Pray in my name and you shall receive ..." So, I believe that's why the workers and friends say at the end of their prayers " ... We ask this in Jesus name - amen" When I pray I ask in Jesus name AND the Holy Spirit, then I ask in the name of GOD, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit even if I'm praying only to GOD or only to Christ, and I end my prayer in their names as well. Like you, I never use the word trinity ever.
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Post by nathan on Sept 6, 2020 23:17:47 GMT -5
Why Christians MUST abandon the use of the word TRINITY youtu.be/KmgOBJuCpQUHere's another reason or Christians to understand what "GODHEAD" really means and abandon the word trinity clear out of our vocabularies: youtu.be/Bh3n1Y_J_aki might have to disagree with that...trinity for me is a concept not a name...when i pray i don't use the word trinity for anything... I agree the concept of God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior and the Holy Spirit= The Triune God or the Trinity to describe them from Genesis to the book of Revelation. The Godhead is NOT Pagans God or of the Devil either. It's blasphemy to say and believe the Trinity or Godhead is from the devil/heresy or pagans. We must understand where the Trinity believers come from, and why the coin the word TRINITY.... Once we understanding we agree with them.... What the Trinity people are saying is the TRINITY is God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is NOT God the Father, and the Holy Spirit is either the Father or the Son. They are 3 separate Spirit/Beings, but ONE Godhead.There are those who believe the TRINITY is God the Father, became the Son and the Holy Spirit... They are ONE being... that is false kind of Trinity.
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Post by Dan on Sept 7, 2020 2:05:26 GMT -5
These scriptures having me wondering how anyone can believe in the trinity. I remember my parents preaching at me that the trinity was a false doctrine. They didn't have anyone else to talk to in our area, so they preached to us kids who scratched out heads wondering what was up. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32 NATHAN??? ** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation.
The trinity seems like a simple concept to grasp, its simply, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7). They comprise 3 aspects of a single God, each with a specific purpose but unified as one. The Father is all knowledge, the Son is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity, each is distinct, and yet all are one. When Jesus was born of woman, he was separated from divine providence, but completely surrendered his will as a man for the will of the Father. It was necessary for a part of God to be perfected in the flesh in order to atone for man, it could not be righteous redemption any other way.
The danger in thinking Jesus was just flesh and blood is denying his divinity, and he'd have no authority to save anyone without that. What comprises the Godhead is God, if Christ was not one with the Father and Holy Spirit, there would be no salvation. That's why we are baptized in the name of all 3, born of the Spirit, the living water, and the sacrifice, the "three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:8). I think we've discussed this subject to death, but one Father expressed through Christ and empowered by the HS. No separation, no opposition, no contradiction, but one in singularity, purpose, and existence. Just as your body, soul, and spirit are you, Christ, the Father, and Spirit are God.
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Post by nathan on Sept 7, 2020 8:44:16 GMT -5
** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation.
The trinity seems like a simple concept to grasp, its simply, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7). They comprise 3 aspects of a single God, each with a specific purpose but unified as one. The Father is all knowledge, the Son is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity, each is distinct, and yet all are one. When Jesus was born of woman, he was separated from divine providence, but completely surrendered his will as a man for the will of the Father. It was necessary for a part of God to be perfected in the flesh in order to atone for man, it could not be righteous redemption any other way.
The danger in thinking Jesus was just flesh and blood is denying his divinity, and he'd have no authority to save anyone without that. What comprises the Godhead is God, if Christ was not one with the Father and Holy Spirit, there would be no salvation. That's why we are baptized in the name of all 3, born of the Spirit, the living water, and the sacrifice, the "three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:8). I think we've discussed this subject to death, but one Father expressed through Christ and empowered by the HS. No separation, no opposition, no contradiction, but one in singularity, purpose, and existence. Just as your body, soul, and spirit are you, Christ, the Father, and Spirit are God.
Thanks, Dan you have a good and a clear understanding of the Godhead. We have discussed this topic over 20 years on TMB and 2000 years ago, starting with the RCC... I learn new things every time we discuss this, there are new readers come and read it every day... they might learn something, don't feel bad if you had to repeat it again.
Thanks, to you, Wally, RossB. STR, Dennis J. and others for sharing your side of understanding how God has revealed and given to many of you different ways in understanding of the Godhead. This subject is VAST... like trying to understand and know which animals are in the huge oceans.
2000 years ago, Arius a priest came up with anti-Trinity false teaching, and Jesus is NOT God belief sowed in the world and it has cause much chaos and confusion... and through the centuries more false theories groups (Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons, the 2x2s and a few others) who are anti-Trinity believers have add into the POT of confusion so, people are very confuse and don't KNOW what are TRUE or FALSE anymore. God the Father and Son want His people to understand who they are.... The Holy Spirit is our teacher and it's He who reveals to us of the Godhead and we can share what He has shown us to share with others, From Faith to Faith.
Here are many denominations which are anti-Trinity: The Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International, the United Church of God, and Armstrongism do not believe in trinitarinanism, Unitarians believe that the Father is the sole deity and the Savior was not God.
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Post by nathan on Sept 7, 2020 10:26:41 GMT -5
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus.
Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings.
Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control.
The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit.
Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father.
Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines.
Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings.
Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism.
Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist.
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Post by fixit on Sept 7, 2020 14:50:25 GMT -5
** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation. The trinity seems like a simple concept to grasp, its simply, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"(1 John 5:7). Why do you think the Catholic Church felt the need to add fake words [in red below] to the bible? For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. These extra words are generally absent from the Greek manuscripts. In fact, they only appear in the text of four late medieval manuscripts.
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Post by fixit on Sept 7, 2020 16:47:15 GMT -5
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus. Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings. Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control. The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit. Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father. Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines. Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings. Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism. Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist. Who cares?
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Post by mountain on Sept 7, 2020 17:05:21 GMT -5
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus. Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings. Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control. The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit. Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father. Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines. Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings. Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism. Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist. Who cares? From the brief descriptions given above, the Delphs are the closest, and in fact on what is stated above, they are bang on.
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Post by nathan on Sept 7, 2020 17:10:25 GMT -5
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus. Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings. Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control. The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit. Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father. Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines. Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings. Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism. Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist. Who cares? *** The 2x2s should CARE because they are on the same list above! How did this happened? The 2x2 were Trinity and Jesus is God believers since their beginning to 1950s. Now! They are non-Trinity because false teachers/workers who lack in the Trinity doctrine taught us anti-Trinity doctrine and turn the Truth of Jesus into a CULT. The friends must care and rise up against the false teachers among us.
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Post by nathan on Sept 7, 2020 17:14:01 GMT -5
From the brief descriptions given above, the Delphs are the closest, and in fact on what is stated above, they are bang on. *** They are off the track! Jesus said to the unbelieving Jews " Before Abraham was born I exist the I AM that I AM Yahweh God." Jesus and Christ/God are ETERNAL GOD the Son.
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