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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 20:30:01 GMT -5
Take 5 magazine is available in Australia and New Zealand. Good article in current issue by Elizabeth Coleman. Honest writer, her story well worth a read. The magazine is not expensive, every 2x2 should buy one, to learn that you can escape to a happier, healthier, life away from the 2x2,s. Liberation is possible. Those outside Australia and NZ may have to wait until an online version becomes available.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 20:38:22 GMT -5
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 24, 2020 20:51:03 GMT -5
Take 5 magazine is available in Australia and New Zealand. Good article in current issue by Elizabeth Coleman. Honest writer, her story well worth a read. The magazine is not expensive, every 2x2 should buy one, to learn that you can escape to a happier, healthier, life away from the 2x2,s. Liberation is possible. Those outside Australia and NZ may have to wait until an online version becomes available. Did the story feature on the cover? |
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 24, 2020 20:55:01 GMT -5
The Bauer Media Group is in financial strife after Covid-19, and it is also a reflection of society that many magazines use the trashy tabloid look to sell their product. Not my cup of tea, so to speak, Wally.
I have read Elizabeth's book. It is a good read, and there a lot of "learnings" in there for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 21:06:13 GMT -5
Take 5 magazine is available in Australia and New Zealand. Good article in current issue by Elizabeth Coleman. Honest writer, her story well worth a read. The magazine is not expensive, every 2x2 should buy one, to learn that you can escape to a happier, healthier, life away from the 2x2,s. Liberation is possible. Those outside Australia and NZ may have to wait until an online version becomes available. Did the story feature on the cover? Sure did. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 24, 2020 21:18:24 GMT -5
Did the story feature on the cover? Sure did. Ok, found it.  |
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 24, 2020 21:21:59 GMT -5
Oh if only Bert was still here to react to Elizabeth Coleman and the "Naked Nannas" both on the same cover  I hope he sees it in the supermarket |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 21:28:57 GMT -5
Be careful printed articles are subject to copyright. You have to buy the magazine. Good value at $3.70.
Loved Bert, bring back Bert.
There is also another good Health story in this issue.
10 reasons why Sex is good for you. Bit late for me, but Wally may like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 3:00:28 GMT -5
What a trash magazine. I imagine theres one or two on this board that would love to subscribe to getting it weekly.
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Post by speak on Jun 25, 2020 3:31:30 GMT -5
What a trash magazine. I imagine theres one or two on this board that would love to subscribe to getting it weekly. I wonder why any self respecting person would use such. |
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Post by fixit on Jun 25, 2020 4:54:16 GMT -5
The Bauer Media Group is in financial strife after Covid-19, and it is also a reflection of society that many magazines use the trashy tabloid look to sell their product. Not my cup of tea, so to speak, Wally. I have read Elizabeth's book. It is a good read, and there a lot of "learnings" in there for us. I've learned a lot from exes about how people should NOT be treated. |
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Post by speak on Jun 25, 2020 15:44:04 GMT -5
The Bauer Media Group is in financial strife after Covid-19, and it is also a reflection of society that many magazines use the trashy tabloid look to sell their product. Not my cup of tea, so to speak, Wally. I have read Elizabeth's book. It is a good read, and there a lot of "learnings" in there for us. I've learned a lot from exes about how people should NOT be treated. What did you learn from Jesus? Isn't it the same? Love your neighbour and all that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 16:02:04 GMT -5
Jesus wasn’t an ex.
I think what Fixit is conveying, he ‘listens’ to people & respects what is real to them.....without rendering condemnation and judgement. Conveying one doesn’t put theirself above ex’s. I always enjoy talking to the elderly professing woman I have mentioned before, for the same reason. There is peace between us.
I don’t always see things the same as some other ex’s but I need to remind myself that everybody’s experience is different in leaving and ‘one’s experience’ is real to you. It is what it is.
It’s just a case of respecting that I guess. I must admit, I do have difficulty with ongoing bitterness in people whether coming from an ex or coming from a church person. [exception CSA]. Plus I do have difficulty with far fetched extensions to the basics of Christianity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:28:38 GMT -5
People have been quick to label Take 5 a trash magazine without even reading it, not a good idea. The "Naked Nannies" stories are heart rendering. Sincere stories about people who have had experiences with Cancer. My Wife who would never read trash really enjoyed people's real life stories. She said it is not trash at all. The magazine is about real life, so please don't jump to conclusions before doing some research.
The stories are written about ordinary people who want to share emotional experiences in their lives. We can all do well to share that information with each other. May make us into a better person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:33:17 GMT -5
My dear Redback, I googled the images of many covers. They all had trash emotive announcements. I’m sure within the covers there may be ‘some’ down to earth writing. We are both free to give our opinion eh? It’s my sixpence worth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:39:06 GMT -5
You can never judge a book by its cover. The images have to do with marketing, done buy marketing agents, who don't tell the stories.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 25, 2020 19:25:59 GMT -5
I much prefer Peoples Friend.
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jun 25, 2020 19:35:54 GMT -5
I've learned a lot from exes about how people should NOT be treated. What did you learn from Jesus? Isn't it the same? Love your neighbour and all that? The workers and friends who have treated people very poorly over the years have obviously not learned that behaviour from Jesus. Since the 60M program went to air two local female workers have said on numerous occasions that those who were on the program were lying - despite offenders pleading guilty. Both when challenged have only provided qualified written apologies. It seems that some current workers are not afraid to both lie and to not fully repent when their lie is called out. I don’t know who they are learning this behaviour from but it is definitely not Christ. |
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Post by iam on Jun 25, 2020 19:57:29 GMT -5
I've learned a lot from exes about how people should NOT be treated. What did you learn from Jesus? Isn't it the same? Love your neighbour and all that? And who is my neighbour? Ain’t you, Speak |
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Post by iam on Jun 25, 2020 20:10:45 GMT -5
Can’t buy it in Canada unfortunately
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Post by iam on Jun 25, 2020 21:36:39 GMT -5
Can’t buy it from Canada. So sad to see judgmental attitudes about this magazine when the same people swallow worse garbage that’s out there.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 25, 2020 23:25:25 GMT -5
Yes, I recently did an interview with Take 5 Magazine Australia (sold as Lucky Break in New Zealand).
I thought I’d provide some information about it direct from the horse’s mouth. Call it Frequently Asked Questions, if you like.
Q: How do you end up doing interviews for media?
A: I don’t solicit interviews. I’m contacted by various media representatives who have seen other information about me somewhere.
Q: Why do you do these interviews?
A: Because I think the contribution that media makes to our society is crucial. It provides much information that we wouldn’t otherwise know. In the context of the Two-by-Two fellowship, it reaches people who are otherwise not aware of the operations or history of the group, or who are still trying to unravel disinformation and conditioning they’ve been subject to over the years. Workers and friends tell their side of the story to each other; this is our opportunity to tell the other side. The media has also been crucial in uncovering the culture of inappropriate leadership response to sexual abuse within the group, and hence helping to change it. That is a hard, uncomfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless.
Q: Don’t you think the headlines are sensationalist and unfair?
A: Yes, they sometimes are. Unfortunately, it’s a part of the process over which I have no control. Headlines are usually done by separate editors, not the journalists who write the stories.
Q: Do you write the stories/articles?
A: No. Media outlets have their own journalists write stories based on interviews. There are always some small errors that occur in this process, but overall I have found journalists to be people of integrity who try to get the story right. Having said that, I acknowledge that many such features are one-sided.
Q: Are you paid for these interviews?
A: Generally, no. Only once have I received a modest remuneration for time spent on an interview, and this was not indicated until after I had agreed to do the interview.
Q: Why did you do the Take 5 interview?
A: Because I know that many in the Two-by-Two fellowship read it. They might read about William Irvine and Edward Cooney for the very first time. I had never read or purchased this magazine before, but did have a look at it once asked to do an interview with them. I was told some years ago by a two-by-two relative that she only buys that magazine because it has interesting stories about real people, not celebrities.
Q: The Take 5 magazine story is in written in the first person. Did you write it?
A: No. A journalist writes the story based on interviews, but in the first person to give it a more intimate feel. The story is read back once over the phone to the interviewee before being published. I am quite happy with the article itself.
Q: Why don’t you stop being bitter and just move on with your life?
A: Thank you for your concern, but I’m actually in a very good place. I bear no ill-will towards any of the workers or friends, quite the contrary. Many of them are wonderful, genuine people. But there are also many people out there traumatised by their past experiences with this group. I know because I get letters frequently in response to my book. If any of this raises awareness and continues to help other former members process their experiences, then that is a good thing.
"Many terrible things that used to happen, they say “that’s not true, that never happened,” but that's because things have changed. And that’s a good thing - things changed because we ex-members spoke out. The culture in there is changing because of us, even though they deny it and call us enemies." (ex-member of Scientology)
PS – I’m very happy to be contacted or visited by any workers to discuss any concerns they may have with interviews I’ve done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 23:37:43 GMT -5
Yes, I recently did an interview with Take 5 Magazine Australia (sold as Lucky Break in New Zealand). I thought I’d provide some information about it direct from the horse’s mouth. Call it Frequently Asked Questions, if you like. Q: How do you end up doing interviews for media?
A: I don’t solicit interviews. I’m contacted by various media representatives who have seen other information about me somewhere. Q: Why do you do these interviews?
A: Because I think the contribution that media makes to our society is crucial. It provides much information that we wouldn’t otherwise know. In the context of the Two-by-Two fellowship, it reaches people who are otherwise not aware of the operations or history of the group, or who are still trying to unravel disinformation and conditioning they’ve been subject to over the years. Workers and friends tell their side of the story to each other; this is our opportunity to tell the other side. The media has also been crucial in uncovering the culture of inappropriate leadership response to sexual abuse within the group, and hence helping to change it. That is a hard, uncomfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless. Q: Don’t you think the headlines are sensationalist and unfair?
A: Yes, they sometimes are. Unfortunately, it’s a part of the process over which I have no control. Headlines are usually done by separate editors, not the journalists who write the stories. Q: Do you write the stories/articles? A: No. Media outlets have their own journalists write stories based on interviews. There are always some small errors that occur in this process, but overall I have found journalists to be people of integrity who try to get the story right. Having said that, I acknowledge that many such features are one-sided. Q: Are you paid for these interviews?
A: Generally, no. Only once have I received a modest remuneration for time spent on an interview, and this was not indicated until after I had agreed to do the interview. Q: Why did you do the Take 5 interview?
A: Because I know that many in the Two-by-Two fellowship read it. They might read about William Irvine and Edward Cooney for the very first time. I had never read or purchased this magazine before, but did have a look at it once asked to do an interview with them. I was told some years ago by a two-by-two relative that she only buys that magazine because it has interesting stories about real people, not celebrities. Q: The Take 5 magazine story is in written in the first person. Did you write it?
A: No. A journalist writes the story based on interviews, but in the first person to give it a more intimate feel. The story is read back once over the phone to the interviewee before being published. I am quite happy with the article itself. Q: Why don’t you stop being bitter and just move on with your life?
A: Thank you for your concern, but I’m actually in a very good place. I bear no ill-will towards any of the workers or friends, quite the contrary. Many of them are wonderful, genuine people. But there are also many people out there traumatised by their past experiences with this group. I know because I get letters frequently in response to my book. If any of this raises awareness and continues to help other former members process their experiences, then that is a good thing. "Many terrible things that used to happen, they say “that’s not true, that never happened,” but that's because things have changed. And that’s a good thing - things changed because we ex-members spoke out. The culture in there is changing because of us, even though they deny it and call us enemies." (ex-member of Scientology) PS – I’m very happy to be contacted or visited by any workers to discuss any concerns they may have with interviews I’ve done. It's almost as though you could predict the sorts of criticisms you'd get! 😂 Either you're good at predicting, or folks are a little too predictable when influenced by certain beliefs! Maybe a touch of both? Bet you've heard it all! |
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2020 0:44:04 GMT -5
I've learned a lot from exes about how people should NOT be treated. What did you learn from Jesus? Isn't it the same? Love your neighbour and all that? I find it very helpful to discuss concerns and experiences with exes. I don't recall any of them despising "Love your neighbour and all that". Rather, they despise the opposite of that. Speak, if you and I could move the fellowship closer to "Love your neighbour and all that" I think most exes would applaud. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 1:29:26 GMT -5
Spot on Fixit, most ex's retain 2x2 Family and Friends. There are many generous thinking 2x2's and yes we do appreciate and applaud that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 1:48:07 GMT -5
Elizabeth, I don't think anyone would be able to find fault with your post. Said with sincere, empathetic feeling. And most ex's and some 2x2's, would say hear hear, to your post. You do it more eloquently than many of us. It is important that a connection between 2x2's and ex's be maintained. Ex's certainly are not enemy. TMB is a great place where we can connect.
Thanks so much Elizabeth for the great work you are doing in trying to establish that connection. Do hope that many will see that you are doing it without malice and true compassion.
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Post by chuck on Jun 26, 2020 2:28:56 GMT -5
What did you learn from Jesus? Isn't it the same? Love your neighbour and all that? I find it very helpful to discuss concerns and experiences with exes. I don't recall any of them despising "Love your neighbour and all that". Rather, they despise the opposite of that. Speak, if you and I could move the fellowship closer to "Love your neighbour and all that" I think most exes would applaud. I agree, but changing the dogma, "We are In and everybody else is out" is going to be a struggle. It is what the 2x2 unwritten doctrine is built on, years of indoctrination through multiple generations. It's impossible to love your neighbour with this as part of the foundation of your belief. |
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Post by janj on Jun 26, 2020 3:10:05 GMT -5
I find it very helpful to discuss concerns and experiences with exes. I don't recall any of them despising "Love your neighbour and all that". Rather, they despise the opposite of that. Speak, if you and I could move the fellowship closer to "Love your neighbour and all that" I think most exes would applaud. I agree, but changing the dogma, "We are In and everybody else is out" is going to be a struggle. It is what the 2x2 unwritten doctrine is built on, years of indoctrination through multiple generations. It's impossible to love your neighbour with this as part of the foundation of your belief. Really-and exec's dont have an attitude?? What about this statement earlier in this thread? The magazine is not expensive, every 2x2 should buy one, to learn that you can escape to a happier, healthier, life away from the 2x2,s.What arrogance from Redback. I know so many committed Christian people who would tell you that their faith is the most precious thing in their lives. Do you not realise that some of us have been where you are - unbelieving, and I couldn't think of anything worse than returning to that empty shallow life. If you're happy like that -good on you but dont try and patronize believers and tell them that you know better. I am so grateful that for me-you dont! Sorry -most of my post I'd directed at Redback but you cant reply to two posts at once! |
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