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Post by Annan on Jun 28, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -5
That is not our doctrine at all, I have never known it to be. You say it is a struggle to deal with what is not our doctrine, so where did you get this idea from? Jesus said that he would gather all who loved Him and His Father. It is up to the individual to see whether they love Him more than themselves or the world. I don't know what 2x2 organization you belong to speak, but the one I was raised in made it very clear that this was their doctrine. Shoved down my throat since I was a child; unless you are a professing member of the church in good standing, you will not have life eternal. I was with my dad at a funeral of a man who's son professed. The son believes his father does not have a place in heaven because he was not a 2x2. How very sad. I thought their god was the judge of a man's heart. Apparently not.
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Post by chuck on Jun 28, 2020 9:11:35 GMT -5
So if you need all those things(which the bible does not say we need)to get to heaven, those who don't do those things are going to hell?. Your answering the question for me by all your side stepping. You can join the back line with wally and Nathan. Basically your saying those who dont see it how you do are going to hell. That's what you mean when you say un professing, not in the fellowship, outsiders, worldly and what ever other favourite lines 2x2's like to use. That's what I was telling Nathan is disgusting. Especially how it just rolls off the tongue in conversation. Anyone who doesn't see it like you is hell bound. You say you have no system. 2x2ism is a system. You have just confirmed it by saying you require all those things. Those things Paul describes as Dung!. Sorry but end of conversation with you. I find it ironic that someone from the "Truth" can't defend the "Truth". Those who dont agree with the "Truth"(2x2's, fellowship, friends, workers ect) are they hell bound?.
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Post by chuck on Jun 28, 2020 9:15:47 GMT -5
What's going to happen to those "outside the fellowoship"? Ask God. The living God of the scriptures say's those outside of your fellowship are just as worthy as those inside your fellowship. How worthy are those inside "the fellowship" Speak?
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Post by chuck on Jun 28, 2020 10:04:37 GMT -5
I don't know what 2x2 organization you belong to speak, but the one I was raised in made it very clear that this was their doctrine. Shoved down my throat since I was a child; unless you are a professing member of the church in good standing, you will not have life eternal. I was with my dad at a funeral of a man who's son professed. The son believes his father does not have a place in heaven because he was not a 2x2. How very sad. I thought their god was the judge of a man's heart. Apparently not. God is the judge of a man's heart. But if you view God as the judge like we know a judge you have a man made image of God. Just like this 2x2 son has. God could be viewed as a nature, or the character of Christ. Heaven could be viewed as a condition of heart. I'm sure you could name plenty of people in Heaven right now, and I bet many dont call themselves Christians or other religious banners. So if you put those together God(divine nature) judge's who's in heaven or hell(you condition of heart) and it has nothing at all to do with the religious imagery that predominantly surrounds God with a judge, heaven in the clouds or venus in Nathans case, hell and fire underground and God standing over you after you die sending you to either place to play harps or burn for ever. Rather It’s real life applications here and now, and God(divine nature) is trying to bring heaven(condition of heart) back to earth(divine nature manifesting in all people), eternal life is a way of life, gracious, compassionate, slow to anger, abounding in love, those with eternal life had a taste of heaven on earth. This is my best explanation of what the writers of Scripture are trying to tell us. A progressive revelation of what God is. And its not some Zeus guy in the sky like religion would have you believe. I'm not bold enough to say there is or isn't a heaven or hell after we die because I know as well as you do.
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Post by Gene on Jul 11, 2020 20:39:38 GMT -5
I don't know of any in the fellowship who profess in a system I do know many who's profession is in Christ. I know a lot in the fellowship that profess in a system. "There is none so blind as he that can not see." I think it's "...will not..."
"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 11, 2020 21:59:05 GMT -5
I know a lot in the fellowship that profess in a system. "There is none so blind as he that can not see." I think it's "...will not..." "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
Could be either.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 12, 2020 1:10:42 GMT -5
I think it's "...will not..." "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
Could be either. No it couldn't. They don't both mean the same thing.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 12, 2020 17:59:31 GMT -5
No it couldn't. They don't both mean the same thing. Agreed. But I meant depending on the context.
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