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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 27, 2020 5:00:24 GMT -5
Never heard the word Holy Spirit mentioned it meeting, it was always called the Holy Ghost. Kings James English. First heard it referred to as the Holy Spirit when started attending church after leaving meetings. What other spirit do you think they would be speaking of? A wrong spirit. Good spirit. Doubting spirit. Lots of types of spirit talked about in meetings. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, certainly such was mentioned in the meetings. But I recall the Holy Spirit being referred to as a kind of force rather than a unique entity or person as the Bible would describe him to be. In meetings, I recall the Spirit referred to as "it" more than "him". Even the "spirit of the meeting" was a thing, like a kind of vibe or mood, something that could be mustered but then fade away. The Two-by-Two fellowship certainly believes in the Holy Spirit, but their theology of his nature is a bit like their theology of Jesus - hazy and downgraded from the fullness of his Biblical identity. Not universally - as we all know, there is no fully agreed theological position on anything except meetings in the home and ministers without a home.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 5:40:19 GMT -5
Fear is a essential part of life for our safety. Ruling people by fear is not practical or useful.
Fear is why friends hide: TV's, alcohol, sports, wearing of certain cloths, makeup, facial hair, length of hair...
Fear is what keeps friends and workers from being honest about situations in their life where they could use support, comfort and prayers, but because of the fear of judgement they keep these things hidden.
The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God.
Fear of not having money and a place to live is what is loosening the rules for the worker's now not some huge revelation from God. If it was they would apologies to all the people they have offended and hurt over the year because of their man made rules.
If they allowed God to give the revelation to people through the Holy Spirit they would not have to have all these arbitrary rules. They could preach a message of HOPE and be a support to all they come in contact with through kindness, compassion and a loving Spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 6:39:31 GMT -5
Fear is a essential part of life for our safety. Ruling people by fear is not practical or useful. Fear is why friends hide: TV's, alcohol, sports, wearing of certain cloths, makeup, facial hair, length of hair... Fear is what keeps friends and workers from being honest about situations in their life where they could use support, comfort and prayers, but because of the fear of judgement they keep these things hidden. The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God. Fear of not having money and a place to live is what is loosening the rules for the worker's now not some huge revelation from God. If it was they would apologies to all the people they have offended and hurt over the year because of their man made rules. If they allowed God to give the revelation to people through the Holy Spirit they would not have to have all these arbitrary rules. They could preach a message of HOPE and be a support to all they come in contact with through kindness, compassion and a loving Spirit. how does one hide facial hair or length of hair?
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 27, 2020 6:52:56 GMT -5
Fear is a essential part of life for our safety. Ruling people by fear is not practical or useful. Fear is why friends hide: TV's, alcohol, sports, wearing of certain cloths, makeup, facial hair, length of hair... Fear is what keeps friends and workers from being honest about situations in their life where they could use support, comfort and prayers, but because of the fear of judgement they keep these things hidden. The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God. Fear of not having money and a place to live is what is loosening the rules for the worker's now not some huge revelation from God. If it was they would apologies to all the people they have offended and hurt over the year because of their man made rules. If they allowed God to give the revelation to people through the Holy Spirit they would not have to have all these arbitrary rules. They could preach a message of HOPE and be a support to all they come in contact with through kindness, compassion and a loving Spirit. how does one hide facial hair or length of hair? Seriously, Wally, that's what you chose to pick up on? That's what you want to focus on from what Forgotten is trying to express? This is exactly what ... no, I won't say it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 7:03:15 GMT -5
how does one hide facial hair or length of hair? Seriously, Wally, that's what you chose to pick up on? That's what you want to focus on from what Forgotten is trying to express? This is exactly what ... no, I won't say it. hey they wrote it i responded to it they can answer or ignore me...
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Post by Annan on Jun 27, 2020 7:35:57 GMT -5
The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God. And that's it in a nutshell, folks.
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Post by Lee on Jun 27, 2020 11:03:02 GMT -5
That’s it in a nutshell respecting the demonpub parties in America. Hopefully an independent will rise to the throne like trump in four years. In the meantime we’ll know civil war. Great time to be alive.
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Post by Grant on Jun 27, 2020 14:18:52 GMT -5
Seriously, Wally, that's what you chose to pick up on? That's what you want to focus on from what Forgotten is trying to express? This is exactly what ... no, I won't say it. hey they wrote it i responded to it they can answer or ignore me... The women hide their length of hair by putting it in a bun or similar style. Rolling it up, using a false bun, were all ways to hide their length of hair.
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Post by nathan on Jun 27, 2020 16:25:23 GMT -5
What other spirit do you think they would be speaking of? A wrong spirit. Good spirit. Doubting spirit. Lots of types of spirit talked about in meetings. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, certainly such was mentioned in the meetings. But I recall the Holy Spirit being referred to as a kind of force rather than a unique entity or person as the Bible would describe him to be. In meetings, I recall the Spirit referred to as "it" more than "him". Even the "spirit of the meeting" was a thing, like a kind of vibe or mood, something that could be mustered but then fade away. The Two-by-Two fellowship certainly believes in the Holy Spirit, but their theology of his nature is a bit like their theology of Jesus - hazy and downgraded from the fullness of his Biblical identity. Not universally - as we all know, there is no fully agreed theological position on anything except meetings in the home and ministers without a home. ** Amen! In 1980 Kathy Lewis an ex-2×2 wrote in her book the church without a name. She mentioned how off the workers teaching on the Godhead and anti-Trinity they were back then. I had studied these things for myself and the 2x2s workers went off the tracks on the Godhead and became anti-Trinity believers around 1950-70s after the death of many early days workers who believed in the Godhead/the Trinity; Jesus is God/ he is NOT God the Father but the Son.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 18:12:45 GMT -5
hey they wrote it i responded to it they can answer or ignore me... The women hide their length of hair by putting it in a bun or similar style. Rolling it up, using a false bun, were all ways to hide their length of hair. okay that covers the women now how about the men hiding the length of their hair or their facial hair....
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Post by speak on Jun 27, 2020 19:58:50 GMT -5
What other spirit do you think they would be speaking of? A wrong spirit. Good spirit. Doubting spirit. Lots of types of spirit talked about in meetings. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, certainly such was mentioned in the meetings. But I recall the Holy Spirit being referred to as a kind of force rather than a unique entity or person as the Bible would describe him to be. In meetings, I recall the Spirit referred to as "it" more than "him". Even the "spirit of the meeting" was a thing, like a kind of vibe or mood, something that could be mustered but then fade away. The Two-by-Two fellowship certainly believes in the Holy Spirit, but their theology of his nature is a bit like their theology of Jesus - hazy and downgraded from the fullness of his Biblical identity. Not universally - as we all know, there is no fully agreed theological position on anything except meetings in the home and ministers without a home. I am sorry that that is your experience in the fellowship but mine is so different, mine is of a Godly joy and a Godly peace.
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Post by speak on Jun 27, 2020 20:02:29 GMT -5
Fear is a essential part of life for our safety. Ruling people by fear is not practical or useful. Fear is why friends hide: TV's, alcohol, sports, wearing of certain cloths, makeup, facial hair, length of hair... Fear is what keeps friends and workers from being honest about situations in their life where they could use support, comfort and prayers, but because of the fear of judgement they keep these things hidden. The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God. Fear of not having money and a place to live is what is loosening the rules for the worker's now not some huge revelation from God. If it was they would apologies to all the people they have offended and hurt over the year because of their man made rules. If they allowed God to give the revelation to people through the Holy Spirit they would not have to have all these arbitrary rules. They could preach a message of HOPE and be a support to all they come in contact with through kindness, compassion and a loving Spirit. If they hide those things of the world in their lives then their life is not with God but the world. I hear a message of HOPE and be a support to all they come in contact with through kindness, compassion and a loving Spirit. Love thy neighbour so to speak. The rest of which you speak i have not found.
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Post by speak on Jun 27, 2020 20:07:07 GMT -5
The worker's don't trust God to help a person live a life by a conscience lead by God. And that's it in a nutshell, folks. Yet funnily enough I find the opposite. If one reads their Bible they will see that the blood of the people is on the workers hands/ they are responsible, They are to keep the way before them. Don't bother in asking for verses.
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Post by speak on Jun 27, 2020 20:11:38 GMT -5
The women hide their length of hair by putting it in a bun or similar style. Rolling it up, using a false bun, were all ways to hide their length of hair. okay that covers the women now how about the men hiding the length of their hair or their facial hair.... Mine is full blown mustache, can't hide it sorry.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 27, 2020 21:57:19 GMT -5
A wrong spirit. Good spirit. Doubting spirit. Lots of types of spirit talked about in meetings. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, certainly such was mentioned in the meetings. But I recall the Holy Spirit being referred to as a kind of force rather than a unique entity or person as the Bible would describe him to be. In meetings, I recall the Spirit referred to as "it" more than "him". Even the "spirit of the meeting" was a thing, like a kind of vibe or mood, something that could be mustered but then fade away. The Two-by-Two fellowship certainly believes in the Holy Spirit, but their theology of his nature is a bit like their theology of Jesus - hazy and downgraded from the fullness of his Biblical identity. Not universally - as we all know, there is no fully agreed theological position on anything except meetings in the home and ministers without a home. I am sorry that that is your experience in the fellowship but mine is so different, mine is of a Godly joy and a Godly peace. Except that you seem to be confirming what I said - your experience of the Holy Spirit equates to an emotion/feeling? If you are are not feeling joyful or at peace, is the Holy Spirit still with you?
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 21:58:15 GMT -5
A wrong spirit. Good spirit. Doubting spirit. Lots of types of spirit talked about in meetings. Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, certainly such was mentioned in the meetings. But I recall the Holy Spirit being referred to as a kind of force rather than a unique entity or person as the Bible would describe him to be. In meetings, I recall the Spirit referred to as "it" more than "him". Even the "spirit of the meeting" was a thing, like a kind of vibe or mood, something that could be mustered but then fade away. The Two-by-Two fellowship certainly believes in the Holy Spirit, but their theology of his nature is a bit like their theology of Jesus - hazy and downgraded from the fullness of his Biblical identity. Not universally - as we all know, there is no fully agreed theological position on anything except meetings in the home and ministers without a home. I am sorry that that is your experience in the fellowship but mine is so different, mine is of a Godly joy and a Godly peace. Some go through very GREAT tribulation, it isn’t Tip toeing through the tulips type of life. And then someone comes along that is supposed to be a brother and they have this attitude “I’m happy too bad you aren’t “. How is that Christ? How can we be in the body of Christ and NOT be affected by a brother’s pain? Romans 12:15-16 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. [16] Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 22:03:22 GMT -5
If we don’t find something it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. It usually means we like to remain in the safety of shallow waters, so to speak.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 27, 2020 22:04:01 GMT -5
And that's it in a nutshell, folks. Yet funnily enough I find the opposite. If one reads their Bible they will see that the blood of the people is on the workers hands/ they are responsible, They are to keep the way before them. Don't bother in asking for verses. Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them.
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Post by nathan on Jun 27, 2020 22:16:41 GMT -5
Yet funnily enough I find the opposite. If one reads their Bible they will see that the blood of the people is on the workers hands/ they are responsible, They are to keep the way before them. Don't bother in asking for verses. Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them. Paul wrote to Corinthians believers "Follow Me as I FOLLOW Christ!" If the workers do NOT follow Christ's doctrines/teachings then DO NOT FOLLOW them, ignore them and have our eyes focus on Jesus teachings. Therefore, the workers MUST teach the friends correct doctrine of Christ so, they can lead us in the right Path which leads to Jesus Christ our Savior.
God the Father and Christ have appointed the apostles/workers to be lead us in the Right Path of Christ but if they failed then we must depend on Him and the Holy Spirit to lead us. God will raise up apostles and the friends that have good understanding to lead us back to Jesus truth, way and true doctrines of Christ.
If anyone leads us away from following the true teachings of Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship flee from them. The Holy Spirit will ONLY lead people to follow Jesus New Testament ministry gospel and fellowship.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 22:20:37 GMT -5
Yet funnily enough I find the opposite. If one reads their Bible they will see that the blood of the people is on the workers hands/ they are responsible, They are to keep the way before them. Don't bother in asking for verses. Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them. book chapter and verse please for a little context...as it sounds like a verse thats talking about after christ returns not anything that would be happening between the first century and now...
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 22:41:36 GMT -5
Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them. Paul wrote to Corinthians believers "Follow Me as I FOLLOW Christ!" If the workers do NOT follow Christ's doctrines/teachings then DO NOT FOLLOW them, ignore them and have our eyes focus on Jesus teachings. Therefore, the workers MUST teach the friends correct doctrine of Christ so, they can lead us in the right Path which leads to Jesus Christ our Savior.
God the Father and Christ have appointed the apostles/workers to be lead us in the Right Path of Christ but if they failed then we must depend on Him and the Holy Spirit to lead us. God will raise up apostles and the friends that have good understanding to lead us back to Jesus truth, way and true doctrines of Christ.
If anyone leads us away from following the true teachings of Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship flee from them. The Holy Spirit will ONLY lead people to follow Jesus New Testament ministry gospel and fellowship.
Nathan, look what it would have meant to follow a Paul the apostle. He was safe to follow. But that would have taken great courage to follow a Paul. Just like it would have taken very great courage to follow Jesus knowing it would lead to very great tribulation. Our ministers have a fairly cushy life, which is nice, but that’s easy.
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 22:45:35 GMT -5
Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them. book chapter and verse please for a little context...as it sounds like a verse thats talking about after christ returns not anything that would be happening between the first century and now... I can help with that Hebrews 8:9-11 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 27, 2020 22:51:34 GMT -5
Here's a pertinent verse: But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LordThe Way is not the way of the workers, but the way of the Law of God, written on the hearts of those who love and follow him. No matter which way you want to cut it, following God is about following God, not following the workers. Workers are just fallible human beings. We need preachers of the gospel - yes. But we do not follow them or believe in them. book chapter and verse please for a little context...as it sounds like a verse thats talking about after christ returns not anything that would be happening between the first century and now... In Jeremiah 31 , to those under the old Covenant, when the temple and its system was needed. Talking about those who would be under the new Covenant. Then in Hebrews 10. Context: Jesus the once for all sacrifice, the new covenant, replacing that of the repeated sacrifices under the old Covenant. The new Covenant was brought in by the death and resurrection of Christ. No priests, no intermediary now needed to offer sacrifices on our behalf. That's why the temple veil into the holiest of holies was torn right down the middle during the crucifixion. Copy and paste the verse above into Google and look them up.
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Post by Dan on Jun 27, 2020 23:13:39 GMT -5
hey they wrote it i responded to it they can answer or ignore me... The women hide their length of hair by putting it in a bun or similar style. Rolling it up, using a false bun, were all ways to hide their length of hair.
I never understood that... "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" (1 Corinthians 11:15). How is it a glory to her when its hidden in a knot behind her head?
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Post by nathan on Jun 27, 2020 23:16:53 GMT -5
Paul wrote to Corinthians believers "Follow Me as I FOLLOW Christ!" If the workers do NOT follow Christ's doctrines/teachings then DO NOT FOLLOW them, ignore them and have our eyes focus on Jesus teachings. Therefore, the workers MUST teach the friends correct doctrine of Christ so, they can lead us in the right Path which leads to Jesus Christ our Savior.
God the Father and Christ have appointed the apostles/workers to be lead us in the Right Path of Christ but if they failed then we must depend on Him and the Holy Spirit to lead us. God will raise up apostles and the friends that have good understanding to lead us back to Jesus truth, way and true doctrines of Christ.
If anyone leads us away from following the true teachings of Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship flee from them. The Holy Spirit will ONLY lead people to follow Jesus New Testament ministry gospel and fellowship.
Nathan, look what it would have meant to follow a Paul the apostle. He was safe to follow. But that would have taken great courage to follow a Paul. Just like it would have taken very great courage to follow Jesus knowing it would lead to very great tribulation. Our ministers have a fairly cushy life, which is nice, but that’s easy. Amen, I concur.... Cushy life of the apostles/workers was promised by Jesus= 100 folds gain, You should have KNOWN this as an ex-2x2 sister worker. Matthew 19: 28-29 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
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Post by nathan on Jun 27, 2020 23:26:44 GMT -5
book chapter and verse please for a little context...as it sounds like a verse thats talking about after christ returns not anything that would be happening between the first century and now... In Jeremiah 31 , to those under the old Covenant, when the temple and its system was needed. Talking about those who would be under the new Covenant. Then in Hebrews 10. Context: Jesus the once for all sacrifice, the new covenant, replacing that of the repeated sacrifices under the old Covenant. The new Covenant was brought in by the death and resurrection of Christ. No priests, no intermediary now needed to offer sacrifices on our behalf. That's why the temple veil into the holiest of holies was torn right down the middle during the crucifixion. Copy and paste the verse above into Google and look them up. The Old and New Testament are very similar if you study it carefully.... However, the New Testament covenant is better with better promise and it last longer to the time of Jesus returns.
1) The Old Testament Covenant the children of Israel was lead by the Levitical priesthood lead by Aaron's descendants.
2) Under the New Testament covenant God's children who are born again are lead by Christ/Jesus Melchisedek's priesthood (Hebrews chapter 7)= His chosen apostles/workers through the centuries until the time of Jesus returns. Jesus apostles were given gifts as preachers, preachers, pastors, teachers, ministers, missionaries... Then they to impart those similar gifts to the followers of Jesus so, they too can be helpers in the gospel of Christ as teachers and pastors of the churches. Eph. 4:11-15.
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 23:39:40 GMT -5
Nathan, look what it would have meant to follow a Paul the apostle. He was safe to follow. But that would have taken great courage to follow a Paul. Just like it would have taken very great courage to follow Jesus knowing it would lead to very great tribulation. Our ministers have a fairly cushy life, which is nice, but that’s easy. Amen, I concur.... Cushy life of the apostles/workers was promised by Jesus= 100 folds gain, You should have KNOWN this as an ex-2x2 sister worker. Matthew 19: 28-29 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
By cushy life I don’t mean what they are supplied with of natural things
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Post by iam on Jun 27, 2020 23:45:48 GMT -5
The women hide their length of hair by putting it in a bun or similar style. Rolling it up, using a false bun, were all ways to hide their length of hair.
I never understood that... "But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering" (1 Corinthians 11:15). How is it a glory to her when its hidden in a knot behind her head?
Does covering mean a bun? Long hair is a covering without a bun isn’t it? I wear a bun often because it feels better off my neck and out of my face. The woman that washed Jesus feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair couldn’t have worn a bun.
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