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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:38:00 GMT -5
No difference Wally, can be called salary, wages, allowance, stipend or hand out. All the same and I don't need to remind you that we are not living at 30AD now 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:42:55 GMT -5
No difference Wally, can be called salary, wages, allowance, stipend or hand out. All the same and I don't need to remind you that we are not living at 30AD now 2020. so i see you didn't see it... the bible and the truth are timeless in that equivalencies can be made from one time to another...
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Post by speak on Jun 16, 2020 21:49:43 GMT -5
There is no such thing as the 2x2. Latter-day saints have nothing to do with Jesus Christ, they are latter-day saints. Oh my goodness who do you think is there Prophet that they worship and follow. Have you bothered to go to one of their services to find out, or have you just taken notice of 2x2 speak. You really have no idea of who Christ is, do you. They do not worship Christ neither do they follow Him. Going to one of their services will do nothing, it is plain to see. And again seeing as you don't understand there are no 2x2.
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Post by speak on Jun 16, 2020 21:51:10 GMT -5
No difference Wally, can be called salary, wages, allowance, stipend or hand out. All the same and I don't need to remind you that we are not living at 30AD now 2020. And the way of God remains the same from day one to now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 22:39:20 GMT -5
Oh my goodness who do you think is there Prophet that they worship and follow. Have you bothered to go to one of their services to find out, or have you just taken notice of 2x2 speak. You really have no idea of who Christ is, do you. They do not worship Christ neither do they follow Him. Going to one of their services will do nothing, it is plain to see. And again seeing as you don't understand there are no 2x2. Speak you have been taking too much notice of Nathan. Have you bothered to go to other Churches, or do you just come to that conclusion because of what Workers tell you. I will go to any Church, never look at the sign at the gate or the front door. They all preach Christ. You will have to put up with the 2x2 name, it is widely accepted. It even appeared on a NSW Wednesday subject card. And of course part of the nonsense in the beginning was we have no name. But for identification purposes all sorts of names popped up, i.e. Christian Conventions of Victoria. 2x2 is much more simple and rather catchy. Religious groups did have names in Bible days, so why not now. Of course there should be only one name for this particular faith, Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 22:42:54 GMT -5
No difference Wally, can be called salary, wages, allowance, stipend or hand out. All the same and I don't need to remind you that we are not living at 30AD now 2020. And the way of God remains the same from day one to now. The subject was about pay, which we all love in our hand. It was not about beliefs.
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Post by speak on Jun 16, 2020 23:19:40 GMT -5
You really have no idea of who Christ is, do you. They do not worship Christ neither do they follow Him. Going to one of their services will do nothing, it is plain to see. And again seeing as you don't understand there are no 2x2. Speak you have been taking too much notice of Nathan. Have you bothered to go to other Churches, or do you just come to that conclusion because of what Workers tell you. I will go to any Church, never look at the sign at the gate or the front door. They all preach Christ. You will have to put up with the 2x2 name, it is widely accepted. It even appeared on a NSW Wednesday subject card. And of course part of the nonsense in the beginning was we have no name. But for identification purposes all sorts of names popped up, i.e. Christian Conventions of Victoria. 2x2 is much more simple and rather catchy. Religious groups did have names in Bible days, so why not now. Of course there should be only one name for this particular faith, Christian. You can come up with all the reasons your reasoning can muster but it don't change the fact they do not follow Christ. Many people can speak of and about Christ it doesn't mean they know Him or follow Him. Please show me the name Jesus took to identify Him and His followers. Please show me the name His followers took after His death. Those religious groups didn't follow Jesus they hated Him.
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Post by speak on Jun 16, 2020 23:23:16 GMT -5
And the way of God remains the same from day one to now. The subject was about pay, which we all love in our hand. It was not about beliefs. I can see you don't see, Jesus took no pay, He could have had all the riches in the world but wanted none. He may have had money to be used as a necessity but none as a pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 0:03:14 GMT -5
Speak you confuse things so much in true 2x2 style. You have probably never attended a proper Church, so how are you qualified to make judgment. You only believe what you have been told, and many of us have learnt that can be false news.
It was not about Christ receiving pay, you or I don't know about that, we weren't there. It was about Workers receiving pay, the same as everybody else. Even Nathan said when he was a Worker he received pay once a year. And I saw that too, when I lived with them on a Convention ground. Normally I would be sent to the Men's toilet at the other end of Convention ground to paint the urinal with tar. I was not yet on the payroll. And the Overseer was a smart fellow and could see that I was not Worker material and would never make the cut. He told me to wait for the call, but I would still be waiting some 65 years later. Glad that I took the better option for me and married a wonderful Lady, that I have spent the last 60 years with.
We do not say that Workers receiving pay is the wrong thing, they have to live, nobody expects them to get around on their Ass. But don't say it doesn't happen, that is not being honest and is called deception.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:16:31 GMT -5
Speak you have been taking too much notice of Nathan. Have you bothered to go to other Churches, or do you just come to that conclusion because of what Workers tell you. I will go to any Church, never look at the sign at the gate or the front door. They all preach Christ. You will have to put up with the 2x2 name, it is widely accepted. It even appeared on a NSW Wednesday subject card. And of course part of the nonsense in the beginning was we have no name. But for identification purposes all sorts of names popped up, i.e. Christian Conventions of Victoria. 2x2 is much more simple and rather catchy. Religious groups did have names in Bible days, so why not now. Of course there should be only one name for this particular faith, Christian. You can come up with all the reasons your reasoning can muster but it don't change the fact they do not follow Christ. Many people can speak of and about Christ it doesn't mean they know Him or follow Him. Please show me the name Jesus took to identify Him and His followers. Please show me the name His followers took after His death. Those religious groups didn't follow Jesus they hated Him. No it was his own self righteous pompous people that hated him.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:19:11 GMT -5
The subject was about pay, which we all love in our hand. It was not about beliefs. I can see you don't see, Jesus took no pay, He could have had all the riches in the world but wanted none. He may have had money to be used as a necessity but none as a pay. So if Jesus took no pay neither should our workers have bank accounts and preach no salary. Hypocritical.
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:25:19 GMT -5
You can come up with all the reasons your reasoning can muster but it don't change the fact they do not follow Christ. Many people can speak of and about Christ it doesn't mean they know Him or follow Him. Please show me the name Jesus took to identify Him and His followers. Please show me the name His followers took after His death. Those religious groups didn't follow Jesus they hated Him. No it was his own self righteous pompous people that hated him. He made it care that they were not His people by not accepting them.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:26:55 GMT -5
No one is criticizing the kindness and compassion of the 2x2s. It’s the many unkindnesses and uncompassionate deeds of the 2x2s. IJesus taught if just one of us is experiencing these things, that’s what it is to Jesus. Why is no one examining the life and teachings of Jesus that actually go against of much of what we do. Many that have given up....we’re gonna be responsible for on the judgment day because we make excuses for not following scriptures. I have witnessed MASSIVE damage because the chief priests and Pharisees and elders of today did not follow scriptures. You seem to have a great angst about the fellowship so much so you don't seem to recognise any of the good. Much of what who do? It is all very well to lump us all together as being bad as it is judging us all being the same. You don't know what I do or what my deeds are, are you just judging from your own experiences. You of all people can talk about judging. After what I have had to go through it’s taking me some time to feel good about our leaders. I branded everyone with the same paintbrush initially. But the majority that is representing my faith on TMB doesn’t exactly make me feel too optimistic tbh.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:27:38 GMT -5
No it was his own self righteous pompous people that hated him. He made it care that they were not His people by not accepting them. Same as today
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:28:29 GMT -5
I can see you don't see, Jesus took no pay, He could have had all the riches in the world but wanted none. He may have had money to be used as a necessity but none as a pay. So if Jesus took no pay neither should our workers have bank accounts and preach no salary. Hypocritical. It is not pay or salary they get. Judas was the bank, he carried the money bag. You need to know the scripture before bandying around such words [Hypocritical.] They might just backfire on oneself.
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:31:49 GMT -5
You seem to have a great angst about the fellowship so much so you don't seem to recognise any of the good. Much of what who do? It is all very well to lump us all together as being bad as it is judging us all being the same. You don't know what I do or what my deeds are, are you just judging from your own experiences. You of all people can talk about judging. After what I have had to go through it’s taking me some time to feel good about our leaders. I branded everyone with the same paintbrush initially. But the majority that is representing my faith on TMB doesn’t exactly make me feel too optimistic tbh. Do you think you are the only one who has had to deal with bad times? I don't know why you not feel to good about Jesus, hymn Christ is your leader faith is your shield.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:35:20 GMT -5
So if Jesus took no pay neither should our workers have bank accounts and preach no salary. Hypocritical. It is not pay or salary they get. Judas was the bank, he carried the money bag. You need to know the scripture before bandying around such words [Hypocritical.] They might just backfire on oneself. You’re not honest. It’s salary. It’s pay. And yes I am a hypocrite because a little leaven leavens the whole lump and more than being hypocritical is the amount of dishonesty from people in my faith that believe with their whole hearts that the workers aren’t paid because that’s what we’ve been TOLD. No wonder Jesus rejected the majority of his people and found only a few that would follow him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 0:37:44 GMT -5
I can see you don't see, Jesus took no pay, He could have had all the riches in the world but wanted none. He may have had money to be used as a necessity but none as a pay. So if Jesus took no pay neither should our workers have bank accounts and preach no salary. Hypocritical. donations do not equal salary if they do then Jesus took a salary....Luke 8
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:38:01 GMT -5
It is not pay or salary they get. Judas was the bank, he carried the money bag. You need to know the scripture before bandying around such words [Hypocritical.] They might just backfire on oneself. You’re not honest. It’s salary. It’s pay. And yes I am a hypocrite because a little leaven leavens the whole lump and more than being hypocritical is the amount of dishonesty from people in my faith that believe with their whole hearts that the workers aren’t paid because that’s what we’ve been TOLD. No wonder Jesus rejected the majority of his people and found only a few that would follow him. Show me how it is pay or salary.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:39:00 GMT -5
You of all people can talk about judging. After what I have had to go through it’s taking me some time to feel good about our leaders. I branded everyone with the same paintbrush initially. But the majority that is representing my faith on TMB doesn’t exactly make me feel too optimistic tbh. Do you think you are the only one who has had to deal with bad times? I don't know why you not feel to good about Jesus, hymn Christ is your leader faith is your shield. All I can say, Speak, is that I am embarrassed at the lack of understanding and compassion and care for others from the people that represent our faith on this forum and that is not at all Christ.
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 0:39:28 GMT -5
I agree to a certain extent, this is why westerners and western Christianity cannot understand the bible imo, because we view it from the wrong perspective, the perspective with superpower backing. You would have to agree though Trump is nothing like the Caesars, the world is getting better. That's really a confusing post. Not really. The scriptures were recorded with superpower backing(Caeser/Trump/Allied) or under the opression of a super power?. Hard for westerners to grasp what is going on in the scriptures when living in the comfort of todays western society.
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 0:42:34 GMT -5
Oh I don't know, a cross maybe, or fed to the lions or some sort of blood sport or a lance up the date. History books, even the bible paints a picture of horendous events in the day. The worlds getting better wally. thats not the equivalent of tear gas..get real the world is getting better for those who wait to follow the beast.... No wally, its no the same is it. The worlds getting better. Did you really think I thought they were comparible?.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:42:43 GMT -5
So if Jesus took no pay neither should our workers have bank accounts and preach no salary. Hypocritical. donations do not equal salary if they do then Jesus took a salary....Luke 8 Where in Luke 8. And I can tell you for sure that Jesus wouldn’t lie about it if he did accept money. Why defend a lie? Because it came from the workers?
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:43:06 GMT -5
It is not pay or salary they get. Judas was the bank, he carried the money bag. You need to know the scripture before bandying around such words [Hypocritical.] They might just backfire on oneself. You’re not honest. It’s salary. It’s pay. And yes I am a hypocrite because a little leaven leavens the whole lump and more than being hypocritical is the amount of dishonesty from people in my faith that believe with their whole hearts that the workers aren’t paid because that’s what we’ve been TOLD. No wonder Jesus rejected the majority of his people and found only a few that would follow him. His people were those who followed Him, who is my mother, brother, sister. [While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.] Not the ones you are alluding to.
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 0:44:48 GMT -5
As a lay member I do have no idea about "our bank statements" but nothing would suprise me now. Do you actually know if it's millions or a educated guess?. It's real and not just a few million - many millions. I won't reveal which state on here as it would potentially undermine a source of information. Remember, as @redback said, the then Head Worker of Victoria, Evan Jones made the following written public statement in an affidavit to Police in 1994 "Our organisation is financially well off. The funds are controlled by a Trust Fund with the Trustees being Arthur ROBINSON, Alan BIRD and Ian GUNST, who are elders of the Church. I am in charge of the Trustees and have the final say as to where the funds will be sent or spent. Once I make that decision, the Trustees withdraw the funds and give me a bank draft for the amount required in various areas as requested by me." Most of the larger sums of money come from estates - I am aware of a few estates, each of around $1mUSD, left to workers. The Trustees simply give a receipt to the executors. Thanks, yeah I wasn't trying to get you to reveal your source, just confirming you actually knew!.
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:45:18 GMT -5
Do you think you are the only one who has had to deal with bad times? I don't know why you not feel to good about Jesus, hymn Christ is your leader faith is your shield. All I can say, Speak, is that I am embarrassed at the lack of understanding and compassion and care for others from the people that represent our faith on this forum and that is not at all Christ. Who lacks understanding and compassion and care? And yet you called me a lair?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 0:46:58 GMT -5
donations do not equal salary if they do then Jesus took a salary....Luke 8 Where in Luke 8. And I can tell you for sure that Jesus wouldn’t lie about it if he did accept money. Why defend a lie? Because it came from the workers? luke 8:3 Luk 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, Luk 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, Luk 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. so according to your definition of donation it equals a salary that make Jesus a hireling...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 0:49:14 GMT -5
thats not the equivalent of tear gas..get real the world is getting better for those who wait to follow the beast.... No wally, its no the same is it. The worlds getting better. Did you really think I thought they were comparible?. you were the one making the comparison....
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