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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 0:49:53 GMT -5
You’re not honest. It’s salary. It’s pay. And yes I am a hypocrite because a little leaven leavens the whole lump and more than being hypocritical is the amount of dishonesty from people in my faith that believe with their whole hearts that the workers aren’t paid because that’s what we’ve been TOLD. No wonder Jesus rejected the majority of his people and found only a few that would follow him. Show me how it is pay or salary. The workers are our preachers. We “pay” them with our free will donations. You can call it anything you want. I was in the work a short time. One thing I know for certain , without any blinders on, it’s pay. Under the name of free will donations. And it has quite an interesting effect on human natures in the ministry .
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 0:54:32 GMT -5
Show me how it is pay or salary. The workers are our preachers. We “pay” them with our free will donations. You can call it anything you want. I was in the work a short time. One thing I know for certain , without any blinders on, it’s pay. Under the name of free will donations. And it has quite an interesting effect on human natures in the ministry . A free will donation is not pay, I give free will donations to charities, how are they pay. You could have been in the work for a million years, if the people who gave to you knew you treated it as such they wouldn't have given it, I think it disgraceful that you think of it that way.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:08:36 GMT -5
All I can say, Speak, is that I am embarrassed at the lack of understanding and compassion and care for others from the people that represent our faith on this forum and that is not at all Christ. Who lacks understanding and compassion and care? And yet you called me a lair? If you want to believe you’re honest, go ahead. After all, you firmly believe the workers aren’t paid because of how it’s done and what we call it. So easy to believe lies that we have been force fed for ages and it’s no one’s fault but our own for not being honest enough to doubt a lie.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:10:07 GMT -5
Where in Luke 8. And I can tell you for sure that Jesus wouldn’t lie about it if he did accept money. Why defend a lie? Because it came from the workers? luke 8:3 Luk 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, Luk 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, Luk 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. so according to your definition of donation it equals a salary that make Jesus a hireling... That....means.......MONEY to you, Wally?
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 1:13:11 GMT -5
No wally, its no the same is it. The worlds getting better. Did you really think I thought they were comparible?. you were the one making the comparison.... Wally...... you have just agreed with me in "the world is getting better" but haven't even noticed due to you not reading into my sarcasm and getting hung up on it. You sure you don't want to change your mind?. Chuck: Im sure the Caeser's would have used something comparible to tear gas to disperse the crowds. Wally: oh and what would that have been? Chuck: Oh I don't know, a cross maybe, or fed to the lions or some sort of blood sport or a lance up the date. Wally: thats not the equivalent of tear gas..get real Oops
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:14:06 GMT -5
The workers are our preachers. We “pay” them with our free will donations. You can call it anything you want. I was in the work a short time. One thing I know for certain , without any blinders on, it’s pay. Under the name of free will donations. And it has quite an interesting effect on human natures in the ministry . A free will donation is not pay, I give free will donations to charities, how are they pay. You could have been in the work for a million years, if the people who gave to you knew you treated it as such they wouldn't have given it, I think it disgraceful that you think of it that way. I wouldn’t expect you to think otherwise, Speak, and I didn’t know WHAT to really think about it at the time but I do know there was very very little need of money, if any. And to be more in line with Jesus there is definitely a better way. But it would COST more in the greatest currency for heaven of all...our time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:17:39 GMT -5
luke 8:3 Luk 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, Luk 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, Luk 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance. so according to your definition of donation it equals a salary that make Jesus a hireling... That....means.......MONEY to you, Wally? of course, it could also include food or clothes but donations = salary right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:20:53 GMT -5
you were the one making the comparison.... Wally...... you have just agreed with me in "the world is getting better" but haven't even noticed due to you not reading into my sarcasm and getting hung up on it. You sure you don't want to change your mind?. Chuck: Im sure the Caeser's would have used something comparible to tear gas to disperse the crowds. Wally: oh and what would that have been? Chuck: Oh I don't know, a cross maybe, or fed to the lions or some sort of blood sport or a lance up the date. Wally: thats not the equivalent of tear gas..get real Oops not in the way your interpreting it..nice try though
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:21:37 GMT -5
The workers are our preachers. We “pay” them with our free will donations. You can call it anything you want. I was in the work a short time. One thing I know for certain , without any blinders on, it’s pay. Under the name of free will donations. And it has quite an interesting effect on human natures in the ministry . A free will donation is not pay, I give free will donations to charities, how are they pay. You could have been in the work for a million years, if the people who gave to you knew you treated it as such they wouldn't have given it, I think it disgraceful that you think of it that way. Those free will donations to charities you confess of doing is pay. Call it whatever you want. It’s paying for people to reallocate the monies. You’re paying a charity to give support to others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:24:33 GMT -5
A free will donation is not pay, I give free will donations to charities, how are they pay. You could have been in the work for a million years, if the people who gave to you knew you treated it as such they wouldn't have given it, I think it disgraceful that you think of it that way. I wouldn’t expect you to think otherwise, Speak, and I didn’t know WHAT to really think about it at the time but I do know there was very very little need of money, if any. And to be more in line with Jesus there is definitely a better way. But it would COST more in the greatest currency for heaven of all...our time. oh come on everything costs money whether you bought it or one of the friends bought it....
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:27:18 GMT -5
That....means.......MONEY to you, Wally? of course, it could also include food or clothes but donations = salary right? Donations in the form of money is considered salary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:30:58 GMT -5
of course, it could also include food or clothes but donations = salary right? Donations in the form of money is considered salary. there you have it folks...Jesus was a hireling...
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:31:46 GMT -5
I wouldn’t expect you to think otherwise, Speak, and I didn’t know WHAT to really think about it at the time but I do know there was very very little need of money, if any. And to be more in line with Jesus there is definitely a better way. But it would COST more in the greatest currency for heaven of all...our time. oh come on everything costs money whether you bought it or one of the friend bought it.... Yes everything costs money. But don’t lie about giving money to the workers and then turn around and say they’re not paid! That lie has become a tradition it’s so old.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 1:32:56 GMT -5
Donations in the form of money is considered salary. there you have it folks...Jesus was a hireling... What was the character of an hireling, Wally? You just called Jesus an hireling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:36:09 GMT -5
oh come on everything costs money whether you bought it or one of the friend bought it.... Yes everything costs money. But don’t lie about giving money to the workers and then turn around and say they’re not paid! That lie has become a tradition it’s so old. donations are not considered a salary. churches and charities would be in trouble around the world if so for they don't pay taxes on it...whomever you have been talking to has lead you astray...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:37:17 GMT -5
there you have it folks...Jesus was a hireling... What was the character of an hireling, Wally? You just called Jesus an hireling. your definition of donations is what made Jesus a hireling...
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 1:38:25 GMT -5
Wally...... you have just agreed with me in "the world is getting better" but haven't even noticed due to you not reading into my sarcasm and getting hung up on it. You sure you don't want to change your mind?. Chuck: Im sure the Caeser's would have used something comparible to tear gas to disperse the crowds. Wally: oh and what would that have been? Chuck: Oh I don't know, a cross maybe, or fed to the lions or some sort of blood sport or a lance up the date. Wally: thats not the equivalent of tear gas..get real Oops not in the way your interpreting it..nice try though Oh but you did wally.
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 1:42:02 GMT -5
Who lacks understanding and compassion and care? And yet you called me a lair? If you want to believe you’re honest, go ahead. After all, you firmly believe the workers aren’t paid because of how it’s done and what we call it. So easy to believe lies that we have been force fed for ages and it’s no one’s fault but our own for not being honest enough to doubt a lie. Nice twister of what I said, nobody is honest before God. You might have been force feed that makes you not a free spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:43:54 GMT -5
not in the way your interpreting it..nice try though Oh but you did wally. oh but i didn't i said "the world is getting better for those who wait to follow the beast.... " that in no way shape or form means things are better as in good...that means things will be as in the days of noah which those who wait to follow the beast will revel in...nice try though
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Post by speak on Jun 17, 2020 1:47:05 GMT -5
A free will donation is not pay, I give free will donations to charities, how are they pay. You could have been in the work for a million years, if the people who gave to you knew you treated it as such they wouldn't have given it, I think it disgraceful that you think of it that way. Those free will donations to charities you confess of doing is pay. Call it whatever you want. It’s paying for people to reallocate the monies. You’re paying a charity to give support to others. Did you think while you were in the work worthy of pay?
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 2:07:20 GMT -5
Those free will donations to charities you confess of doing is pay. Call it whatever you want. It’s paying for people to reallocate the monies. You’re paying a charity to give support to others. Did you think while you were in the work worthy of pay? The labourer is worthy of his hire and tbh I didn’t think I was worthy. I was young and inexperienced. And life was TOO good because my companions chose the nicest houses to frequent. It gets in your blood. I have a much harder life out of the work than I ever did in it. Somehow that was not at all what it’s supposed to be like by following Jesus. Going house to house and enjoying the good life. We didn’t go much to the more troubled homes to try to help them. That would have required WORK (labour). So no I was not worthy.
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 2:17:36 GMT -5
What was the character of an hireling, Wally? You just called Jesus an hireling. your definition of donations is what made Jesus a hireling... You’re calling Jesus a hireling is what makes Jesus a hireling to you This is Jesus’s definition of an hireling John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. Someone that flees when the wolf comes for a sheep. I have had to see many sheep devoured because of the NATURE of the hireling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 2:21:18 GMT -5
your definition of donations is what made Jesus a hireling... You’re calling Jesus a hireling is what makes Jesus a hireling to you This is Jesus’s definition of an hireling John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. Someone that flees when the wolf comes for a sheep. I have had to see many sheep devoured because of the NATURE of the hireling. sorry not gonna work...you've said by your definition that Jesus took a salary therefore he is a hireling...
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 2:35:48 GMT -5
You’re calling Jesus a hireling is what makes Jesus a hireling to you This is Jesus’s definition of an hireling John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. Someone that flees when the wolf comes for a sheep. I have had to see many sheep devoured because of the NATURE of the hireling. sorry not gonna work...you've said by your definition that Jesus took a salary therefore he is a hireling... Call him what you want Wally. You have all your excuses. And no he didn’t take a salary. He accepted whatever was provided for him and I doubt it was money especially with what he taught about such things.
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Post by chuck on Jun 17, 2020 2:53:13 GMT -5
oh but i didn't i said "the world is getting better for those who wait to follow the beast.... " that in no way shape or form means things are better as in good...that means things will be as in the days of noah which those who wait to follow the beast will revel in...nice try though What does the beast have to do with people not resorting to murder in retaliation, Ie "tear gas". You clearly stated there was no comparison, so did you mean tear gas was worse or....... did you agree with me..... Again, read some history books, the world is getting better!.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 3:01:10 GMT -5
sorry not gonna work...you've said by your definition that Jesus took a salary therefore he is a hireling... Call him what you want Wally. You have all your excuses. And no he didn’t take a salary. He accepted whatever was provided for him and I doubt it was money especially with what he taught about such things. its your definition at least be honest enough to own it... he taught that the Love of money was the root of all evil he never said money was the root of all evil...
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Post by iam on Jun 17, 2020 3:05:53 GMT -5
Call him what you want Wally. You have all your excuses. And no he didn’t take a salary. He accepted whatever was provided for him and I doubt it was money especially with what he taught about such things. its your definition at least be honest enough to own it... he taught that the Love of money was the root of all evil he never said money was the root of all evil... Think about it. I know very few people that don’t love money. I know many that do do but would never admit it even to themselves because of that verse. I really love a good friend I have in our faith. She outright admits she loves money. We don’t get anywhere with Jesus without being honest first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 3:05:54 GMT -5
oh but i didn't i said "the world is getting better for those who wait to follow the beast.... " that in no way shape or form means things are better as in good...that means things will be as in the days of noah which those who wait to follow the beast will revel in...nice try though What does the beast have to do with people not resorting to murder in retaliation, Ie "tear gas". You clearly stated there was no comparison, so did you mean tear gas was worse or....... did you agree with me..... Again, read some history books, the world is getting better!. ignore what Christ said all you want, the days of noah are coming....JW
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