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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 10, 2020 7:21:58 GMT -5
Christian Conventions CHARITY STATUS revoked' Two lines of reason spreading. One .Like when Christian Assemblies got adverse publicity about their Lawyer stealing some of the fortune earned from the sale of their Dandenong Convention grounds,they cancelled that name and were able to say we are not the Christian Assemblies, Now they are trying this again?? Two. The Charity was non-active to long,this being the most logical?? Three. Gives the flock another reason not to get involved in caring for the poor and needy,doesn't it?? As that Senior Worker Walter Pickering explained"That is not our concern,it is why you pay your taxes". In hindsite not one of us including "me" did not did not challenge him. We feared the Workers,because if you challenged one,you would be spoken of as unwilling,next you would be ostrasized, the common term put out of fellowship. In correct explaination of that,"if you were kicked out of the 2x2s you were pointed to the gates of HELL". Sort of a cruel sad experience for so many over the Century+. Hasn't it?? Magpie
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Post by chuck on Jun 10, 2020 16:27:03 GMT -5
Christian Conventions CHARITY STATUS revoked' Two lines of reason spreading. One .Like when Christian Assemblies got adverse publicity about their Lawyer stealing some of the fortune earned from the sale of their Dandenong Convention grounds,they cancelled that name and were able to say we are not the Christian Assemblies, Now they are trying this again?? Two. The Charity was non-active to long,this being the most logical?? Three. Gives the flock another reason not to get involved in caring for the poor and needy,doesn't it?? As that Senior Worker Walter Pickering explained"That is not our concern,it is why you pay your taxes". In hindsite not one of us including "me" did not did not challenge him. We feared the Workers,because if you challenged one,you would be spoken of as unwilling,next you would be ostrasized, the common term put out of fellowship. In correct explaination of that,"if you were kicked out of the 2x2s you were pointed to the gates of HELL". Sort of a cruel sad experience for so many over the Century+. Hasn't it?? Magpie He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 If 2x2's understood Idol worship they would realise they are doing what was happening at the Gates of Hell in this regard. The Gates of Hell is a real place were they had intimate relations with goats 😁.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 16:52:13 GMT -5
I think you might find it is more to do with legal issues. I heard some time ago that DL the now married ex overseer had asked a Barrister to sort out financial activities. The Trust Fund was also under review.
Of course they were trying to stop the chance of litigation and having to pay out compensation. They realised they could be vulnerable and needed to become invisible to " We are not an Organisation" status. Clever trick that has always been used by 2x2's as an escape from any responsibilities.
You may recall that Jerome Frandle came out to Victorian Conventions a few years ago, and no doubt briefed DL. Jerome had a lot of experience in trying to make the organisation invisible.
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Post by chuck on Jun 10, 2020 17:54:05 GMT -5
I think you might find it is more to do with legal issues. I heard some time ago that DL the now married ex overseer had asked a Barrister to sort out financial activities. The Trust Fund was also under review. Of course they were trying to stop the chance of litigation and having to pay out compensation. They realised they could be vulnerable and needed to become invisible to " We are not an Organisation" status. Clever trick that has always been used by 2x2's as an escape from any responsibilities. You may recall that Jerome Frandle came out to Victorian Conventions a few years ago, and no doubt briefed DL. Jerome had a lot of experience in trying to make the organisation invisible. Hahaha, I can't help but laugh. I though 2x2's were exclusive!. You put anyone elses name/organization to this story and it would be "Wordly", but no not the 2x2's, "were exclusive so its ok!" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. So it begs the question, just what are they exclusive at because I dont see anything different going to what happens everywhere else in the world throughout the ages. Man being man, all about "ME". Thats the great part of Idol worship and being your own god, you can manipulated him to do anything and please him at the same time!.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 10, 2020 21:30:52 GMT -5
Hi, Thanks for the above. Where is Speak,Gill and Wally. Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 23:37:44 GMT -5
Hi, Thanks for the above. Where is Speak,Gill and Wally. Magpie you repeat yourself so often why should anyone bother to answer you it apparently goes in your one ear and comes out the other with no stops between...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 0:20:49 GMT -5
Thats one down Magpie. Typical 2x2 evasive, non-answer.
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Post by speak on Jun 11, 2020 0:45:37 GMT -5
Hi, Thanks for the above. Where is Speak,Gill and Wally. Magpie you repeat yourself so often why should anyone bother to answer you it apparently goes in your one ear and comes out the other with no stops between... So true.
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Post by speak on Jun 11, 2020 0:47:25 GMT -5
Thats one down Magpie. Typical 2x2 evasive, non-answer. Careful you don't have the typical non2x2 evasive non answer there my fine feathered friend, it doesn't suit you.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 11, 2020 1:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jun 11, 2020 1:43:26 GMT -5
I think you might find it is more to do with legal issues. I heard some time ago that DL the now married ex overseer had asked a Barrister to sort out financial activities. The Trust Fund was also under review. Of course they were trying to stop the chance of litigation and having to pay out compensation. They realised they could be vulnerable and needed to become invisible to " We are not an Organisation" status. Clever trick that has always been used by 2x2's as an escape from any responsibilities. You may recall that Jerome Frandle came out to Victorian Conventions a few years ago, and no doubt briefed DL. Jerome had a lot of experience in trying to make the organisation invisible. It is definitely to do with potential compensation payouts. I am aware of some lawyers that were circling it. After the 60M program went to air a number who were representing victims within the 2x2 church contacted me. For transparency, I also made senior workers aware that people would make claims. There are hundreds of victims of Child Sexual Abuse within the 2x2 church in Australia (a fair number committed by workers). Many would prefer an apology from the ministry on behalf of workers and elders who have sexually abused minors within the church. I have heard that there is little intention to deal with past cases so an apology does not appear to be on the horizon. As a result, pressure will continue to be applied at every level. If people preach repentance from sins, it is pointless if they don't practise it. Jesus spoke to the people and his disciples about the Pharisees (Matthew 23:3): "So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach".
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 11, 2020 1:54:24 GMT -5
Opps!! I think I left the "s" off topics/ See how we go. www.openbible.info/topics/take_care_of_the_poor ..Or this one ... home.snu.edu/~hculbert/poor/htm .Getting old,suppose Wally thinks not old enough? Redback,still counting. Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 11, 2020 2:00:35 GMT -5
Ross well said,yet you are the sinful one 'cause you brought the subject up. They think you are judged after death,and as we know,it is our life before death.Once you have conked out--a bit late to find out where you are going... Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 3:20:14 GMT -5
Magpie you raised a valid question, why was the Charity registration revoked. Thanks to Ross for confirming that it was to dodge their legal responsibilities. Normal 2x2 practice, they are tricky Basta***. I know that for many charities it is not compulsory to disclose their financial activities, but any decent Church is only too pleased to reveal that information. I always support the Salvation Army, they do an excellent job in looking after the needy. They always reply with a letter of thanks, plus tell you what the money is being used for. That is the way it should be,
Magpie, you and I donated to that charity, but we will never know what happened to it. We should have given it to the Salvos. Think you may find that the Trust Fund has also vanished. I did hear that the new idea was to put into Workers personal accounts, so it is not in one spot, and cannot be got at. So we can expect more travel and holidays for Workers.
And of course you won't get any answers from rank and file 2x2's. They would not even know that the Charity and Trust Fund existed. But some exes are fortunate, they still have contact with insiders who are privy to classified information.We can only hope that one day they will learn to do things in the proper way.
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Post by chuck on Jun 11, 2020 3:22:50 GMT -5
No they do not teach generosity/righeousness/sadaq/sadaqah There is 2100 ish verses of scripture that connects righteousness to generosity. More than Prayer, Faith, Heaven and Hell combined. And I have heard zip, zero, nada, nothing, not once about this in my 30+ years of being a 2x2. All we hear is you better do this (prayer, faith, high attendance, abstain from cerstain thing)so you can go to heaven when you die. They are a seriously misguided bunch of people. Misguided by self proclaimed servants of God who don't even know what the bible is actually saying. 2x2ism is anything but generous. It is selfish and all about "ME" and how to get to heaven when "ME" dies!. This does not mean there isnt generous people within the 2x2's.
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Post by speak on Jun 11, 2020 4:03:55 GMT -5
No they do not teach generosity/righeousness/sadaq/sadaqah There is 2100 ish verses of scripture that connects righteousness to generosity. More than Prayer, Faith, Heaven and Hell combined. And I have heard zip, zero, nada, nothing, not once about this in my 30+ years of being a 2x2. All we hear is you better do this (prayer, faith, high attendance, abstain from cerstain thing)so you can go to heaven when you die. They are a seriously misguided bunch of people. Misguided by self proclaimed servants of God who don't even know what the bible is actually saying. 2x2ism is anything but generous. It is selfish and all about "ME" and how to get to heaven when "ME" dies!. This does not mean there isnt generous people within the 2x2's. Another load of horse poop.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 4:42:12 GMT -5
Hey Speak, that doesn't sound like 2x2 language. You expect that sort of talk from me, but then I am not restrained.
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Post by chuck on Jun 11, 2020 4:49:16 GMT -5
No they do not teach generosity/righeousness/sadaq/sadaqah There is 2100 ish verses of scripture that connects righteousness to generosity. More than Prayer, Faith, Heaven and Hell combined. And I have heard zip, zero, nada, nothing, not once about this in my 30+ years of being a 2x2. All we hear is you better do this (prayer, faith, high attendance, abstain from cerstain thing)so you can go to heaven when you die. They are a seriously misguided bunch of people. Misguided by self proclaimed servants of God who don't even know what the bible is actually saying. 2x2ism is anything but generous. It is selfish and all about "ME" and how to get to heaven when "ME" dies!. This does not mean there isnt generous people within the 2x2's. Another load of horse poop. Here's your chance then....... I suspect it will be like our last conversation, crickets.........
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Post by magpies39plus on Jun 11, 2020 7:06:25 GMT -5
Can I speak,Speak? Well I will anyway,many years ago when the Salvation Army arrived at a nearby farm,the 2x2 farmer didn't give him a penny. "WHY?".When Jesus comes back I don't expect Him to be wearing a uniform,said the farmer. No "I"think he will turn up an a Macys suit an Italian shirt and tie.MMMM maybe a kilt? All the Salvation Army Officer wanted was donations for an Orphanage-for the abused,deserted,unwanted,orphaned kids care. This attitude comes from Bishop(overseer)via the Workers down down to their sheep.. Magpie
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 11, 2020 7:21:46 GMT -5
Can I speak,Speak? Well I will anyway,many years ago when the Salvation Army arrived at a nearby farm,the 2x2 farmer didn't give him a penny. "WHY?".When Jesus comes back I don't expect Him to be wearing a uniform,said the farmer. No "I"think he will turn up an a Macys suit an Italian shirt and tie.MMMM maybe a kilt? All the Salvation Army Officer wanted was donations for an Orphanage-for the abused,deserted,unwanted,orphaned kids care. This attitude comes from Bishop(overseer)via the Workers down down to their sheep.. Magpie And the overseers get this attitude from Jesus. "For you have the poor with you always" Jesus wasn't interested in establishing a soup kitchen for the needy or running a career center to help people survive. Quite the contrary, he taught to ignore you responsibilities. "Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on."
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Post by chuck on Jun 11, 2020 16:49:16 GMT -5
Can I speak,Speak? Well I will anyway,many years ago when the Salvation Army arrived at a nearby farm,the 2x2 farmer didn't give him a penny. "WHY?".When Jesus comes back I don't expect Him to be wearing a uniform,said the farmer. No "I"think he will turn up an a Macys suit an Italian shirt and tie.MMMM maybe a kilt? All the Salvation Army Officer wanted was donations for an Orphanage-for the abused,deserted,unwanted,orphaned kids care. This attitude comes from Bishop(overseer)via the Workers down down to their sheep.. Magpie And the overseers get this attitude from Jesus. "For you have the poor with you always" Jesus wasn't interested in establishing a soup kitchen for the needy or running a career center to help people survive. Quite the contrary, he taught to ignore you responsibilities. "Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on." Yep we always have the poor with us, what are you waiting for?. Hmmmm, either side of this Jesus talks about looking out for other's. Infact Jesus's is suggesting exactly the opposite of what you are trying to portray.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 17:04:17 GMT -5
"Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on."
That was never meant as an instruction by Jesus to not care for others. That was for you and me as individuals to get our priorities right in our own lives. The first priority is get the Spiritual right and the Natural will take care of itself.
Funny how 2x2's always seem to interpret scripture and get things back to front. Guess it is because Workers never get proper Theological education, so they put their own spin on it. Always turns out opposite to the proper meaning. Guess it is part of the opposition to those who get it right. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 17:08:03 GMT -5
Can I speak,Speak? Well I will anyway,many years ago when the Salvation Army arrived at a nearby farm,the 2x2 farmer didn't give him a penny. "WHY?".When Jesus comes back I don't expect Him to be wearing a uniform,said the farmer. No "I"think he will turn up an a Macys suit an Italian shirt and tie.MMMM maybe a kilt? All the Salvation Army Officer wanted was donations for an Orphanage-for the abused,deserted,unwanted,orphaned kids care. This attitude comes from Bishop(overseer)via the Workers down down to their sheep.. Magpie That attitude that you speak of happening many years ago is definately wrong IMO. I personally feel a sense of appreciation, having done research on my family to read my great grandparents were Salvation Army. The newspaper articles on their deaths (within 2 days of each other), referred to Sister Sarah and Brother Henry, their Christian lives, their values & care in the community for those less fortunate than themselves.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 11, 2020 18:29:22 GMT -5
I recall a worker speaking at convention about giving to charity. He mentioned that he had been visiting a home when a knock came on the door and the man got up from the table and spent a short while at the door before returning to the table. His wife asked who was at the door, and the man whispered that it was the man coming to collect their contribution to some charitable organization. His point -- it's honorable of him not to publicize his charitable acts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 18:30:47 GMT -5
"Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on." That was never meant as an instruction by Jesus to not care for others. That was for you and me as individuals to get our priorities right in our own lives. The first priority is get the Spiritual right and the Natural will take care of itself. Funny how 2x2's always seem to interpret scripture and get things back to front. Guess it is because Workers never get proper Theological education, so they put their own spin on it. Always turns out opposite to the proper meaning. Guess it is part of the opposition to those who get it right. Sad. openingact34 is NOT a 2x2...he's an atheist ex...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 18:41:31 GMT -5
I am well aware of that Wally, but I was pointing out how it was 2x2 thinking. And that is a hard thing to escape from, all ex's have have a problem with that. Even after 50 years I have to be careful to get the right meaning. I cheat a bit, get it by Googling where you can get the correct version if you use a credible reference. I dare say you do the same thing and most enlightened 2x2's and Workers would be doing the it. Never had that facility 50 years ago had to believe the version we were told.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 11, 2020 18:43:54 GMT -5
"Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on." That was never meant as an instruction by Jesus to not care for others. That was for you and me as individuals to get our priorities right in our own lives. The first priority is get the Spiritual right and the Natural will take care of itself. Funny how 2x2's always seem to interpret scripture and get things back to front. Guess it is because Workers never get proper Theological education, so they put their own spin on it. Always turns out opposite to the proper meaning. Guess it is part of the opposition to those who get it right. Sad. openingact34 is NOT a 2x2...he's an atheist ex... It doesn't make him a liar.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 18:49:54 GMT -5
openingact34 is NOT a 2x2...he's an atheist ex... It doesn't make him a liar. true, but neither does it make a him a spokesperson for 2x2ism...
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