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Post by fixit on Jun 15, 2020 15:12:15 GMT -5
How do you know he didnt give $000s to ??..crippled children the next day. There are certainly charities I wont give to (World Vision is one) because of their administration. We cant give to all charities a d actually we are allowed to choose who and why. I will defend the kindness and compassion of many of the 2x2s. What I read about here is definitely not what I have witnessed. My parents were loved and cared for(as were all the elderly/ needy in that area) in an amazing way by their 2x2 community.The rest home my mother was in constantly told us of her wonderfully caring friends. I witnessed this when I was growing up too. Many here are quick to generalize and judge. No one is criticizing the kindness and compassion of the 2x2s. It’s the many unkindnesses and uncompassionate deeds of the 2x2s. IJesus taught if just one of us is experiencing these things, that’s what it is to Jesus. Why is no one examining the life and teachings of Jesus that actually go against of much of what we do. Many that have given up....we’re gonna be responsible for on the judgment day because we make excuses for not following scriptures. I have witnessed MASSIVE damage because the chief priests and Pharisees and elders of today did not follow scriptures. You ask a good question: Why is no one examining the life and teachings of Jesus that actually go against of much of what we do.I suspect you already know the answer to that, but here it is in a nutshell: Human beings are tribal creatures. It's in our genetic makeup to reject misfits and reward fitter-inners. Tribal loyalty worked to mankind's advantage through much of human history, but it has a downside. It's the reason human organisations eventually fail. Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 15:26:19 GMT -5
No Fixit, AOOB does not place any controls over us. They just want us to be happy and enjoy life and have good fellowship with everybody. You only get one go at it so why not make the most of it. And of course a spinoff from organisations like AOOB is that funds raised help all people no matter what their beliefs. AOOB directs its funds to Children's Hospitals and that has to be a good thing.
If you want to join, Fixit I can organise it. I am sure that there would be a chapter of World OOB in NZ. You will have to learn to drink a bit, laugh a lot, but of course not to excess. AOOB accepts members of all denominations or faiths, you don't have to reveal personal beliefs they prefer not,no Religion or Politics. So it is like having fellowship at a combined Church service the way it should be. We should come together as one. TMB sets an example of how it can be done.
I take it you were wondering why I post at some odd hours at night. Because I have the Old Men's problem, I have to have a pee every 2 hours day and night. Sometimes on the way back to bed I tune in to TMB.
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Post by iam on Jun 15, 2020 15:39:02 GMT -5
One’ s now thinking those spontaineous small donations prompted by HS. were not honestly needed. So really HS, maybe should not of been prompting humble anonymous donations given by individuals. That is very true.
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Post by iam on Jun 15, 2020 16:05:20 GMT -5
Matthew 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That is so hard to do when you find your enemies are those that “have the rule over you” that don’t care about following scriptures. But that’s the commandment. But it’s a little comfort at least to be honest about it.
Luke 6:32-33 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. [33] And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Jesus didn’t do anything about the thefts Judas was up to. Jesus doesn’t demand today that we do the right thing. We have his word. That’s good enough. Choices aren’t “all in youth were made”. It’s every day of our lives.
Workers hiring LAWYERS when Jesus said woe unto you lawyers. There would be no need of lawyers if there was no pot of gold. And family leaving their inheritance to the workers.....completely unscriptural. Trying to earn brownie points for eternity with filthy lucre.
Excuse my rant.
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Post by fixit on Jun 15, 2020 16:16:16 GMT -5
Matthew 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That is so hard to do when you find your enemies are those that “have the rule over you” that don’t care about following scriptures. But that’s the commandment. But it’s a little comfort at least to be honest about it. Who has the rule over you? King James and the Anglican church translated the KJV because the Geneva Bible wasn't authoritarian enough for their liking. Here's how real Christians relate to one another... Mark 10:42 So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. 43 But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of everyone else. 45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 16:20:37 GMT -5
I made a search to find out what institutions have registered with the National CSA Redress Scheme in Victoria. 2x2's don't seem to be there. Why???. They should be and had a good opportunity to do so. You will note from the list the Catholic Church is well represented. They have done the right thing.
I also noted that from a seperate search our Prime Ministers Church, "Hillsong" has made 37 seperate registrations to the scheme. Certainly setting a good example.
The following institutions have completed all the necessary steps to join the Scheme. The below information shows institutions and groups that have joined in Victoria. A full searchable list of all institutions that have joined is available. This search includes the local sites of all participating institutions, including, for example, individual schools and homes.
Commonwealth government institutions Victorian state government institutions A2A Anglican Church: Anglicare Victoria Anglican Diocese of Ballarat Anglican Diocese of Bendigo Anglican Diocese of Gippsland Anglican Diocese of Melbourne Anglican Diocese of Wangaratta The Ballarat Diocesan Trustees Beaconhills Christian College Limited Brotherhood of St Laurence Camberwell Girls Grammar School Camberwell Grammar School Church Missionary Society — Victoria Incorporated Firbank Grammar School Gippsland Grammar Mentone Grammar School Trinity Grammar School Kew Yarra Valley Grammar Associated Christian Ministries Australian Christian Churches Australian Christian Churches Schools Autism Spectrum Australia (Aspect) Ballarat and Queen’s Anglican Grammar School Baptist Churches of Victoria Baptcare Barwon Child, Youth & Family Berry Street Victoria Brighton Grammar School Bush Church Aid Catholic Church (Dioceses and Archdioceses) : Archdiocese of Melbourne Chaldean Eparchy Diocese of Ballarat Diocese of Sale Diocese of Sandhurst Maronite Catholic Eparchy of Saint Maron of Sydney (Maronites) Melkite Catholic Eparchy Military Ordinariate of Australia Syro Malabar Eparchy of St Thomas The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross Catholic Religious Orders: Australian Ursulines Blessed Sacrament Fathers Brigidine Sisters Calvary Health Care Services The Carmelite Fathers Incorporated (Vic) Christian Brothers Confraternity of Christ the Priest Daughters of Charity of St Vincent de Paul Daughters of Our Lady of the Sacred Heart De La Salle Brothers Franciscan Friars Hospitaller Brothers of St. John of God Institute of Sisters of Mercy of Australia and Papua New Guinea Loreto Sisters - Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary Marist Brothers Australia Marist Fathers Australian Province Mary Aikenhead Ministries Missionaries of the Sacred Heart Passionist Fathers Pallottines Presentation Sisters Victoria The Cistercian Order of the Strict Observance (Cistercian Monks) Salesians of Don Bosco The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) Sisters of Charity Australia Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart Sisters of the Good Samaritan Sisters of the Good Shepherd Child and Family Services Ballarat (CAFS) Children Australia (OzChild) Churches of Christ in Victoria and Tasmania Church of the Foursquare Gospel Australia The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia Compass Community Care CRC Churches Crosslink Crossroads Christian Fellowship Emerald Centre for Hope and Outreach
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 17:56:56 GMT -5
I made a search to find out what institutions have registered with the National CSA Redress Scheme in Victoria. 2x2's don't seem to be there. Why???. They should be and had a good opportunity to do so. You will note from the list the Catholic Church is well represented. They have done the right thing. I also noted that from a seperate search our Prime Ministers Church, "Hillsong" has made 37 seperate registrations to the scheme. Certainly setting a good example. The following institutions have completed all the necessary steps to join the Scheme. The below information shows institutions and groups that have joined in Victoria. A full searchable list of all institutions that have joined is available. This search includes the local sites of all participating institutions, including, for example, individual schools and homes. Commonwealth government institutions Victorian state government institutions A2A Anglican Church: Anglicare Victoria Anglican Diocese of Ballarat Anglican Diocese of Bendigo Anglican Diocese of Gippsland Anglican Diocese of Melbourne Anglican Diocese of Wangaratta The Ballarat Diocesan Trustees Beaconhills Christian College Limited Brotherhood of St Laurence Camberwell Girls Grammar School Camberwell Grammar School Church Missionary Society — Victoria Incorporated Firbank Grammar School Gippsland Grammar Mentone Grammar School Trinity Grammar School Kew Yarra Valley Grammar Associated Christian Ministries Australian Christian Churches Australian Christian Churches Schools Autism Spectrum Australia (Aspect) Ballarat and Queen’s Anglican Grammar School Baptist Churches of Victoria Baptcare Barwon Child, Youth & Family Berry Street Victoria Brighton Grammar School Bush Church Aid Catholic Church (Dioceses and Archdioceses) : Archdiocese of Melbourne Chaldean Eparchy Diocese of Ballarat Diocese of Sale Diocese of Sandhurst Maronite Catholic Eparchy of Saint Maron of Sydney (Maronites) Melkite Catholic Eparchy Military Ordinariate of Australia Syro Malabar Eparchy of St Thomas The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross Catholic Religious Orders: Australian Ursulines Blessed Sacrament Fathers Brigidine Sisters Calvary Health Care Services The Carmelite Fathers Incorporated (Vic) Christian Brothers Confraternity of Christ the Priest Daughters of Charity of St Vincent de Paul Daughters of Our Lady of the Sacred Heart De La Salle Brothers Franciscan Friars Hospitaller Brothers of St. John of God Institute of Sisters of Mercy of Australia and Papua New Guinea Loreto Sisters - Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary Marist Brothers Australia Marist Fathers Australian Province Mary Aikenhead Ministries Missionaries of the Sacred Heart Passionist Fathers Pallottines Presentation Sisters Victoria The Cistercian Order of the Strict Observance (Cistercian Monks) Salesians of Don Bosco The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) Sisters of Charity Australia Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart Sisters of the Good Samaritan Sisters of the Good Shepherd Child and Family Services Ballarat (CAFS) Children Australia (OzChild) Churches of Christ in Victoria and Tasmania Church of the Foursquare Gospel Australia The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia Compass Community Care CRC Churches Crosslink Crossroads Christian Fellowship Emerald Centre for Hope and Outreach is registry required or voluntary?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 17:59:17 GMT -5
Voluntary, institutions who want to make amends and do the right thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 18:04:10 GMT -5
Voluntary, institutions who want to make amends and do the right thing. well if its voluntary you've built a loop hole into the system....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 18:27:34 GMT -5
Not me, we have a very understanding, compassionate Government in Australia. It does encourage people to do the right thing, and not use force.
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Post by speak on Jun 15, 2020 19:50:46 GMT -5
How do you know he didnt give $000s to ??..crippled children the next day. There are certainly charities I wont give to (World Vision is one) because of their administration. We cant give to all charities a d actually we are allowed to choose who and why. I will defend the kindness and compassion of many of the 2x2s. What I read about here is definitely not what I have witnessed. My parents were loved and cared for(as were all the elderly/ needy in that area) in an amazing way by their 2x2 community.The rest home my mother was in constantly told us of her wonderfully caring friends. I witnessed this when I was growing up too. Many here are quick to generalize and judge. No one is criticizing the kindness and compassion of the 2x2s. It’s the many unkindnesses and uncompassionate deeds of the 2x2s. IJesus taught if just one of us is experiencing these things, that’s what it is to Jesus. Why is no one examining the life and teachings of Jesus that actually go against of much of what we do. Many that have given up....we’re gonna be responsible for on the judgment day because we make excuses for not following scriptures. I have witnessed MASSIVE damage because the chief priests and Pharisees and elders of today did not follow scriptures. You seem to have a great angst about the fellowship so much so you don't seem to recognise any of the good. Much of what who do? It is all very well to lump us all together as being bad as it is judging us all being the same. You don't know what I do or what my deeds are, are you just judging from your own experiences.
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Post by speak on Jun 15, 2020 19:54:21 GMT -5
I made a search to find out what institutions have registered with the National CSA Redress Scheme in Victoria. 2x2's don't seem to be there. Why???. They should be and had a good opportunity to do so. You will note from the list the Catholic Church is well represented. They have done the right thing. I also noted that from a seperate search our Prime Ministers Church, "Hillsong" has made 37 seperate registrations to the scheme. Certainly setting a good example. The following institutions have completed all the necessary steps to join the Scheme. The below information shows institutions and groups that have joined in Victoria. A full searchable list of all institutions that have joined is available. This search includes the local sites of all participating institutions, including, for example, individual schools and homes. Commonwealth government institutions Victorian state government institutions A2A Anglican Church: Anglicare Victoria Anglican Diocese of Ballarat Anglican Diocese of Bendigo Anglican Diocese of Gippsland Anglican Diocese of Melbourne Anglican Diocese of Wangaratta The Ballarat Diocesan Trustees Beaconhills Christian College Limited Brotherhood of St Laurence Camberwell Girls Grammar School Camberwell Grammar School Church Missionary Society — Victoria Incorporated Firbank Grammar School Gippsland Grammar Mentone Grammar School Trinity Grammar School Kew Yarra Valley Grammar Associated Christian Ministries Australian Christian Churches Australian Christian Churches Schools Autism Spectrum Australia (Aspect) Ballarat and Queen’s Anglican Grammar School Baptist Churches of Victoria Baptcare Barwon Child, Youth & Family Berry Street Victoria Brighton Grammar School Bush Church Aid Catholic Church (Dioceses and Archdioceses) : Archdiocese of Melbourne Chaldean Eparchy Diocese of Ballarat Diocese of Sale Diocese of Sandhurst Maronite Catholic Eparchy of Saint Maron of Sydney (Maronites) Melkite Catholic Eparchy Military Ordinariate of Australia Syro Malabar Eparchy of St Thomas The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross Catholic Religious Orders: Australian Ursulines Blessed Sacrament Fathers Brigidine Sisters Calvary Health Care Services The Carmelite Fathers Incorporated (Vic) Christian Brothers Confraternity of Christ the Priest Daughters of Charity of St Vincent de Paul Daughters of Our Lady of the Sacred Heart De La Salle Brothers Franciscan Friars Hospitaller Brothers of St. John of God Institute of Sisters of Mercy of Australia and Papua New Guinea Loreto Sisters - Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary Marist Brothers Australia Marist Fathers Australian Province Mary Aikenhead Ministries Missionaries of the Sacred Heart Passionist Fathers Pallottines Presentation Sisters Victoria The Cistercian Order of the Strict Observance (Cistercian Monks) Salesians of Don Bosco The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) Sisters of Charity Australia Sisters of St Joseph of the Sacred Heart Sisters of the Good Samaritan Sisters of the Good Shepherd Child and Family Services Ballarat (CAFS) Children Australia (OzChild) Churches of Christ in Victoria and Tasmania Church of the Foursquare Gospel Australia The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia Compass Community Care CRC Churches Crosslink Crossroads Christian Fellowship Emerald Centre for Hope and Outreach One is missing, the church of Jesus Christ.
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Post by speak on Jun 15, 2020 19:58:25 GMT -5
Well those humble donations have allowed people in other countries to receive the message they were looking for without a burden being put on them, I am so glad that contributions I have made have helped in some little way. I wouldn't disagree with you on that point. But that doesn't change others' perceptions of how ministerial financing operates. My experience is with individuals who personally support workers oversees without having it pass through the overseer. Does perception mean truth? No body says it has to go through a overseer and as you say many do send straight to ones overseas and not necessary workers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 20:21:45 GMT -5
Speak you need a new pair of glasses, my eye sight is failing but I can see "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia". But that is not 2x2's.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 15, 2020 20:36:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't disagree with you on that point. But that doesn't change others' perceptions of how ministerial financing operates. My experience is with individuals who personally support workers oversees without having it pass through the overseer. Does perception mean truth? No, of course not. And I didn't say it did. Read carefully -- I said most people think that. If you want to "infer" something about that, treat it as a suggestion that many or most people are naievely uninformed about the truth of the matter.
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Post by mountain on Jun 16, 2020 15:23:00 GMT -5
I'm confuded by all this. Am I supposed to believe the sect has huge bank accounts or trusts involving millions of dollars (or whatever) and do not go about with a common money bag like the early disciples did? Back in Jesus days they didn't have banks so, Judas and some of the apostles had to carry the money in bags. It's very difficulties to carry millions dollars in coins these days in the trunks of the cars. Money in the banks, make some interests.
The friends in the fields provide foods, houses, cars for the workers. The millions trust fund pay bills for the workers health/medical bills, conventions grounds gov't regulation/safety upgrades, money overseas for workers spending, and so on...But didn't Jesus visit the banks of the River Jordan?
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 16:18:36 GMT -5
Back in Jesus days they didn't have banks so, Judas and some of the apostles had to carry the money in bags. It's very difficulties to carry millions dollars in coins these days in the trunks of the cars. Money in the banks, make some interests.
The friends in the fields provide foods, houses, cars for the workers. The millions trust fund pay bills for the workers health/medical bills, conventions grounds gov't regulation/safety upgrades, money overseas for workers spending, and so on... But didn't Jesus visit the banks of the River Jordan? ** haha, Jesus visits banks of rivers NOT banks where they put the money in. Good try, Ram.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 16:52:37 GMT -5
Nathan from your post "The friends in the fields provide foods, houses, cars for the workers. The millions trust fund pay bills for the workers health/medical bills, conventions grounds gov't regulation/safety upgrades, money overseas for workers spending, and so on."
Every other Church is doing the same thing, the money if freely given by the Congregation. Just that is is managed and accounted for in a better way.
They have to pay for the same items as you do. Not many have Convention Grounds but I know the SDA used to. Could be others. And Church buildings like yours have to be maintained.
So don't pretend that 2x2's are any different, many sensible 2x2's know it. Scripture was manipulated by the early Workers to present that the 2x2 was the only right way. Common sense people have worked out that it was false and a deception'. The line now is a dead Horse it won't come back to life. Everything has a life length and that one lasted for 100 years. But when a thing is dead you bury it, that is what you need to do with that.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 17:51:23 GMT -5
Nathan from your post "The friends in the fields provide foods, houses, cars for the workers. The millions trust fund pay bills for the workers health/medical bills, conventions grounds gov't regulation/safety upgrades, money overseas for workers spending, and so on." Every other Church is doing the same thing, the money if freely given by the Congregation. Just that is is managed and accounted for in a better way. They have to pay for the same items as you do. Not many have Convention Grounds but I know the SDA used to. Could be others. And Church buildings like yours have to be maintained. So don't pretend that 2x2's are any different, many sensible 2x2's know it. Scripture was manipulated by the early Workers to present that the 2x2 was the only right way. Common sense people have worked out that it was false and a deception'. The line now is a dead Horse it won't come back to life. Everything has a life length and that one lasted for 100 years. But when a thing is dead you bury it, that is what you need to do with that. *** The 2x2 workers DO NOT receive monthly salary. The workers don't attend any seminary/Bible school training to become preachers of the gospel. They learn from hand on expererience from different older co-workers. Do you know of any denomination preachers are doing this kind itinerant Jesus ministry today? And why don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 18:07:56 GMT -5
The Workers do not get a monthly salary. But I have lived with Workers on a Convention ground before and after a Convention. I have seen the Overseer distribute a portion of the proceeds of the Convention to each Worker. Nothing wrong with that , they have to pay their way and I know that the amount that each Worker got was not huge. So whether it is once a year or once a month it is still Salary. Don't pretend it doesn't happen and has to be some big secret.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 16, 2020 18:51:53 GMT -5
Nathan from your post "The friends in the fields provide foods, houses, cars for the workers. The millions trust fund pay bills for the workers health/medical bills, conventions grounds gov't regulation/safety upgrades, money overseas for workers spending, and so on." Every other Church is doing the same thing, the money if freely given by the Congregation. Just that is is managed and accounted for in a better way. They have to pay for the same items as you do. Not many have Convention Grounds but I know the SDA used to. Could be others. And Church buildings like yours have to be maintained. So don't pretend that 2x2's are any different, many sensible 2x2's know it. Scripture was manipulated by the early Workers to present that the 2x2 was the only right way. Common sense people have worked out that it was false and a deception'. The line now is a dead Horse it won't come back to life. Everything has a life length and that one lasted for 100 years. But when a thing is dead you bury it, that is what you need to do with that. *** The 2x2 workers DO NOT receive monthly salary. The workers don't attend any seminary/Bible school training to become preachers of the gospel.They learn from hand on expererience from different older co-workers.Do you know of any denomination preachers are doing this kind itinerant Jesus ministry today? And why don't they? And it shows sometimes with their bumbling and unprofessional conduct in full public gatherings such as funerals or weddings. A bit of proper training in protocols, and empathy with people of different churches would not go amiss.
Sometime this is also a way of passing on bad habits, and limited understanding
Yes, there are some in Africa, and I have also known some in Orthodox churches who operate in an itinerant manner. The Dorothea tent mission also springs to mind
Some of the best 2*2 preachers I have heard were trained in theological colleges before becoming members of our church, and then going into the work. I would be all for some formal training, in everything from public speaking protocols, funeral training, training in being with someone as they pass from time into eternity, and proper Bible and Bible history training, as well as training in early church history etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 19:37:04 GMT -5
You are so right Pragmatic I also have also known Workers who have been to Theological College, they have a much better grip on things. Happened more in the early days of 2x2ism, but as time went by they only came from within there own ranks. As you said acquired bad habits and practices. I know of some who were working in a Cow yard one day, became a Worker the next. That is not the way it should happen, it is a profession and should be treated as such.
If you are sick and have commonsense you don't go and see a backyard quack, you go to a qualified Doctor.
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Post by speak on Jun 16, 2020 20:03:45 GMT -5
Speak you need a new pair of glasses, my eye sight is failing but I can see "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia". But that is not 2x2's. There is no such thing as the 2x2. Latter-day saints have nothing to do with Jesus Christ, they are latter-day saints.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 20:33:03 GMT -5
*** The 2x2 workers DO NOT receive monthly salary. The workers don't attend any seminary/Bible school training to become preachers of the gospel.They learn from hand on expererience from different older co-workers.Do you know of any denomination preachers are doing this kind itinerant Jesus ministry today? And why don't they? And it shows sometimes with their bumbling and unprofessional conduct in full public gatherings such as funerals or weddings. A bit of proper training in protocols, and empathy with people of different churches would not go amiss.
Sometime this is also a way of passing on bad habits, and limited understanding
Yes, there are some in Africa, and I have also known some in Orthodox churches who operate in an itinerant manner. The Dorothea tent mission also springs to mind
Some of the best 2*2 preachers I have heard were trained in theological colleges before becoming members of our church, and then going into the work. I would be all for some formal training, in everything from public speaking protocols, funeral training, training in being with someone as they pass from time into eternity, and proper Bible and Bible history training, as well as training in early church history etc. Yes, that what the Pharisees and people of this world said about Jesus and His apostles untrained as teachers because they did NOT attend any Rabbi schools, therefore they are unlearned and ignorant men. I amazed Peter, John letters and they were NOT ignorant and unlearned because the Holy Spirit was their teachers like the early days 2x2s workers and today!
The workers can learn church history, public speaking skill through reading books or on the Internet. To understand the scriptures, the mind of God the Father and Christ's teaching it has come from the Holy Spirit Himself, books of men only lead us astray and into more confusion.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 20:36:46 GMT -5
The Workers do not get a monthly salary. But I have lived with Workers on a Convention ground before and after a Convention. I have seen the Overseer distribute a portion of the proceeds of the Convention to each Worker. Nothing wrong with that , they have to pay their way and I know that the amount that each Worker got was not huge. So whether it is once a year or once a month it is still Salary. Don't pretend it doesn't happen and has to be some big secret. Money distributed at convention was for rent building, gas money to get to the field. It was NOT VERY much, when I was in the work I got about 200 dollars and that was ONE time thing each year.... That is NOT a monthly Salary, redback. You should KNOW that by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:01:46 GMT -5
That was Salary Nathan, that is what everybody else uses it for. No big deal, and it sure is not what you spruik " Without script or purse".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:05:04 GMT -5
Speak you need a new pair of glasses, my eye sight is failing but I can see "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints Australia". But that is not 2x2's. There is no such thing as the 2x2. Latter-day saints have nothing to do with Jesus Christ, they are latter-day saints. Oh my goodness who do you think is there Prophet that they worship and follow. Have you bothered to go to one of their services to find out, or have you just taken notice of 2x2 speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 21:11:20 GMT -5
That was Salary Nathan, that is what everybody else uses it for. No big deal, and it sure is not what you spruik " Without script or purse". there is a difference between mark 6 and luke 10 VS luke 22 hopefully you can see that....
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