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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 16, 2020 1:29:11 GMT -5
That doesn't excuse your abusive name calling. That is the truth, it fits that person who jumped in and made comment to my post so, I replied.You're still rude.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 8:32:58 GMT -5
The other side of the coin is WHEN are you and those like you on here going to believe Frank Stranges testimony that he met Jesus Christ face to face inside the planet of Venus in 1990s.
Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 8:33:25 GMT -5
Someone wrote: The Son of God in the Old Testament:
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the preincarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve. The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven, (Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel"God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!) The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 1547 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 8:34:00 GMT -5
That is the truth, it fits that person who jumped in and made comment to my post so, I replied. You're still rude. And you are NOT?
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 8:46:10 GMT -5
I'm not judging before I read what he has to share. You have posted it more than once before. You admitted that it was what God supposedly revealed to Sranges not an actual autethic translation of the scrolls of which I doubt Stranges has access to. He was a pastor at what church or did he just declare himself a pastor, a self made title? Fancy words do not make it true. Seems biased to me, based on Stranges own beliefs in the Trinity. No where did Jesus say in the Bible, I am God. Seems that he's s also a flat earth guy. Here is Frank Stranges lecture in Kona, Hawaii 2007, Where he told us which year he attended the Seminary and how he got involved with UFO and Aliens during WWII to the time of his death a few years later in 2009.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk47O2-_eRc
It was the human looking angel Valiant Thor from Venus planet who showed Frank Stranges of the Dead Sea Scrolls writings, where Jesus claimed He is the God of I AM that I AM the Almighty. Here are verses in the Bible where Jesus and the apostles said and taught He is God and the Almighty.
~~ Jesus Christ claimed He the I AM that I AM Almighty God.
1) John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? Jesus! Read Rev. 19:11-16 And I/John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
~~ NathanB: 1) Jesus said in 95 A.D. Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 11:16-17 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and Worshiped God, saying:
“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev. 21:6,7 He/Christ that sat on the throne said unto me, "It is done, I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end." I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be MY Son."
2) John the apostle wrote in the gospel of John 5:17-18 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 10:25-33 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
3) Paul wrote in I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, PREACHED to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
4) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him.
5) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
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Post by nathan on Jun 16, 2020 9:01:22 GMT -5
Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh) Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Saviour. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh) Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh) Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh) Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh) Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus) Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 16, 2020 12:59:25 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo?
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Post by fixit on Jun 16, 2020 14:22:53 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo? Are you hoping it will subside with a waning moon?
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Post by fixit on Jun 16, 2020 14:24:51 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo? They probably don't have a full moon in Nathan's universe. It's almost certainly an empty moon.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 16, 2020 18:57:29 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo? They probably don't have a full moon in Nathan's universe. It's almost certainly an empty moon. He might not be able to see it from Mars
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Post by Gene on Jun 19, 2020 7:24:15 GMT -5
handouts rarely work to help the poor just look at the last 60-70 years of welfare...i prefer the following idea...give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime... So that would mean you're in favor of government-funded technical or university training for the poor?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 7:50:49 GMT -5
handouts rarely work to help the poor just look at the last 60-70 years of welfare...i prefer the following idea...give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime... So that would mean you're in favor of government-funded technical or university training for the poor? not necessarily for free let them get a grant or a loan or combo of both just like everyone else has to do or join job corp or the military to get the funds for schooling...
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2020 16:03:10 GMT -5
What most people don't understand is that enormous amounts of wealth are transfered behind the scenes to the assett-rich by devaluing the currency.
If your assetts are in the bottom half of the population's assett value you are being ripped off.
Central banks messing with the money supply makes it harder for a young couple to buy a home while a wealthy family's super-yacht increases in value.
This problem is getting worse as we speak. Take a look at how much fake money has been injected into the money supply this year.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2020 19:52:50 GMT -5
What most people don't understand is that enormous amounts of wealth are transfered behind the scenes to the assett-rich by devaluing the currency. If your assetts are in the bottom half of the population's assett value you are being ripped off. Central banks messing with the money supply makes it harder for a young couple to buy a home while a wealthy family's super-yacht increases in value. This problem is getting worse as we speak. Take a look at how much fake money has been injected into the money supply this year. Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 20:05:53 GMT -5
What most people don't understand is that enormous amounts of wealth are transfered behind the scenes to the assett-rich by devaluing the currency. If your assetts are in the bottom half of the population's assett value you are being ripped off. Central banks messing with the money supply makes it harder for a young couple to buy a home while a wealthy family's super-yacht increases in value. This problem is getting worse as we speak. Take a look at how much fake money has been injected into the money supply this year. Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money? fiat money thats based on nothing tangible....
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2020 20:45:33 GMT -5
What most people don't understand is that enormous amounts of wealth are transfered behind the scenes to the assett-rich by devaluing the currency. If your assetts are in the bottom half of the population's assett value you are being ripped off. Central banks messing with the money supply makes it harder for a young couple to buy a home while a wealthy family's super-yacht increases in value. This problem is getting worse as we speak. Take a look at how much fake money has been injected into the money supply this year. Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money? Fake is probably not the technical term for it but I'm talking about money that is not backed with assetts. If a country had a trillion dollars in circulation five years ago and the central bank has increased it to two trillion today, a lot of the increase is fake money to my way of thinking. Central banks, with the Government's blessing, are allowed to print extra money for circulation. If the Mafia did the same thing it would be considered fake money.
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2020 20:49:30 GMT -5
Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money? fiat money thats based on nothing tangible.... Yes, flat money. You explained it more succintly than I did.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2020 20:58:28 GMT -5
Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money? fiat money thats based on nothing tangible.... Do you have some money that's based on something tangible?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:01:16 GMT -5
fiat money thats based on nothing tangible.... Do you have some money that's based on something tangible? paper money...NO...coins...SOME
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2020 21:07:10 GMT -5
Aside from counterfeit money -- what is "fake" money? Fake is probably not the technical term for it but I'm talking about money that is not backed with assetts. Yes, "fake was the wrong word. Most countries' money is NOT based on anything tangible -- it is based on "trust" -- that's all. We have long solved the problem(s) basing our currency on tangible assets. Wealth is not "money", but the power to use money.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2020 21:10:33 GMT -5
Do you have some money that's based on something tangible? paper money...NO...coins...SOME Coins are n0t legal tender, but they can be very valuable aside from their purchasing power.
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Post by Annan on Jun 19, 2020 21:25:29 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo? Haha... Actually it's the dark moon. And Mercury is in retrograde.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:29:53 GMT -5
paper money...NO...coins...SOME Coins are n0t legal tender, but they can be very valuable aside from their purchasing power. cent coins up to 25 cents are...i deal mainly in silver coins though everything else has lost value....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 19, 2020 21:29:58 GMT -5
Is it full moon on the west side USA at the mo? Haha... Actually it's the dark moon. And Mercury is in retrograde. Bugger, I was theorizing that there was a cosmological explanation for some of this behaviour exhibited by those making the outlandish claims.
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Post by fixit on Jun 19, 2020 22:27:15 GMT -5
Fake is probably not the technical term for it but I'm talking about money that is not backed with assetts. Yes, "fake was the wrong word. Most countries' money is NOT based on anything tangible -- it is based on "trust" -- that's all. We have long solved the problem(s) basing our currency on tangible assets. Wealth is not "money", but the power to use money. A "fake" increase in the money supply is theft. It erodes the buying power of money in bank accounts and the buying power of wages.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2020 22:49:49 GMT -5
Yes, "fake was the wrong word. Most countries' money is NOT based on anything tangible -- it is based on "trust" -- that's all. We have long solved the problem(s) basing our currency on tangible assets. Wealth is not "money", but the power to use money. A "fake" increase in the money supply is theft. It erodes the buying power of money in bank accounts and the buying power of wages. There's no such thing as a "fake" increase in the money supply. It is either an increase or there isn't an increase. In any case, the money supply is not normally ever increased unless there is a threat of a recession, or a a depression. And when you hear that there is an increase in the money supply, it doesn't have to mean that they're printing more money. It can simply mean that they are reducing the rate of interest charged by the bank, which eases the difficulty for businesses doing business, including paying wages. It is the job of the central bank to control the flow of money by increasing the interest rate when inflation starts to get out of hand.
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Post by fixit on Jun 20, 2020 0:37:40 GMT -5
A "fake" increase in the money supply is theft. It erodes the buying power of money in bank accounts and the buying power of wages. There's no such thing as a "fake" increase in the money supply. It is either an increase or there isn't an increase. In any case, the money supply is not normally ever increased unless there is a threat of a recession, or a a depression. And when you hear that there is an increase in the money supply, it doesn't have to mean that they're printing more money. It can simply mean that they are reducing the rate of interest charged by the bank, which eases the difficulty for businesses doing business, including paying wages. It is the job of the central bank to control the flow of money by increasing the interest rate when inflation starts to get out of hand. Increasing the money supply devalues money and pushes up assett values. You might think you're doing well when your $300,000 house is valued at $600,000 but someone with a billion dollars worth of stocks or property has done better. The free market works brilliantly. What is failing is monetary policy. It's been theft by stealth, hurting the assett-poor and favoring the assett-rich. It's been ramping up over the last couple of decades and its heading into downright dangerous territory as we speak.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 20, 2020 0:52:42 GMT -5
There's no such thing as a "fake" increase in the money supply. It is either an increase or there isn't an increase. In any case, the money supply is not normally ever increased unless there is a threat of a recession, or a a depression. And when you hear that there is an increase in the money supply, it doesn't have to mean that they're printing more money. It can simply mean that they are reducing the rate of interest charged by the bank, which eases the difficulty for businesses doing business, including paying wages. It is the job of the central bank to control the flow of money by increasing the interest rate when inflation starts to get out of hand. You might think you're doing well when your $300,000 house is valued at $600,000 but someone with a billion dollars worth of stocks or property has done better. Maybe you need some tutoring in risk management.
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