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Post by magpies39plus on May 16, 2020 1:49:38 GMT -5
Walter Pickering a sad old Christian assemblies Preacher(now of course is Reg'd Christian Conventions of Victoria),the poor are not our responsability that is why you pay your taxes!! Yes I have often Quoted this from a senior Preacthe that would excommunicate anyone who questioned the 2x2 theology. mmmm? . I thought one should follow Biblical teachings here not a grumpy old Irvinite!! .. www.openbible.info/topics/helping_the_poor .. www.openbible.info/topics/poor . What have you/me done to meets God's commands and teachings,wow yes we do pay tax to a secular Government,but that was used by Pickering as a cop/out? We cannot turn a blind eye can we? Magpie
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Post by speak on May 16, 2020 3:40:39 GMT -5
Walter Pickering a sad old Christian assemblies Preacher(now of course is Reg'd Christian Conventions of Victoria),the poor are not our responsability that is why you pay your taxes!! Yes I have often Quoted this from a senior Preacthe that would excommunicate anyone who questioned the 2x2 theology. mmmm? . I thought one should follow Biblical teachings here not a grumpy old Irvinite!! .. www.openbible.info/topics/helping_the_poor .. www.openbible.info/topics/poor . What have you/me done to meets God's commands and teachings,wow yes we do pay tax to a secular Government,but that was used by Pickering as a cop/out? We cannot turn a blind eye can we? Magpie And we are also told to not point finger at another, but I see we should follow Biblical teachings not a grumpy old finger pointer instead.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 6:32:02 GMT -5
Walter Pickering a sad old Christian assemblies Preacher(now of course is Reg'd Christian Conventions of Victoria),the poor are not our responsability that is why you pay your taxes!! Yes I have often Quoted this from a senior Preacthe that would excommunicate anyone who questioned the 2x2 theology. mmmm? . I thought one should follow Biblical teachings here not a grumpy old Irvinite!! .. www.openbible.info/topics/helping_the_poor .. www.openbible.info/topics/poor . What have you/me done to meets God's commands and teachings,wow yes we do pay tax to a secular Government,but that was used by Pickering as a cop/out? We cannot turn a blind eye can we? Magpie The reason people turn their back on the Christian God is because they come to realise that he isn’t there. They come to realise that the only reason they ever came to mistakenly believe that he was there in the first place was because they had been religiously conditioned from birth to believe that he was. Such religious conditioning is no petty thing. Such religious conditioning consists of conditioning in the home, conditioning in church and conditioning at school. Two hours of church on a Sunday, another on a Tuesday and perhaps another on a Friday, that’s four hours of some dudes telling your five year old self that if you don’t believe in Jesus you’re going to go to hell. And then they are prayers in school every Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and Friday at which you’re continuously told that this is the day that the lord has made and that you should rejoice and be glad in it. And then there’s also an additional 2 or 3 hours of religious instruction per week during which you are forced to study scripture having been told that the bible is the word of God despite there being no evidence to support this whatsoever. And then there’s your home life in which grace is said prior to every meal. That’s 21 times a week thanking a Heavenly Father for all he has supposedly provided. And that’s not including visits from workers, visits from your religious relatives and visits from fellow church goers during which they all reinforce the same Christian rhetoric with a particular 2x2 spin. It’s usually only when one grows up that one really starts to question where this Christian God actually is. For a God who is supposed to be omnipresent there’s a remarkable lack of any sign of him. And as regards his alleged all powerfullness there’s not much sign of that either. Whether it’s easing suffering, preventing pain, healing sickness, ending war or averting famine there’s no sign of God doing anything useful at all. It is an established fact that God cannot even regrow a missing limb. John Lennox, Emeritus Professor, Christian Apologist and one time public debater with Richard Dawkins, has recently written a book called “Where is God in a Coronavirus World”. In his YouTube video debate on the book Professor Lennox certainly has a lot to say and delivers it with the confidence of a man assured of the truth of what he saying. But if you take the time to look it up and listen it will become clear that he has no idea where God is in a coronavirus world. Indeed all he has to offer are his beliefs and some references to scripture. Instead of telling us where God is, he embarks on what appears to be an attempt to explain away the fact that God appears to have gone missing right in the midst of the Covid-19 crisis. Except that it isn’t just during the Covid-19 crisis that God appears to be missing. He appears to be missing permanently. So your question as to ‘Why do People turn their back on God?’ requires exactly the same answer as Professor Lennox’s question of ‘Where is God in a Coronavirus World?’. The answer to both these questions is simply that God isn’t there. Matt10
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Post by Lee on May 16, 2020 8:49:27 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant.
For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing.
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Post by nathan on May 16, 2020 8:52:05 GMT -5
Peter explained 2000 yrs ago, II Peter 3:3-13
Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Where is God during the Corona virus? God wants people to WAKE up! Think, where do you want your souls to spend for eternity? here on the inner earth/hades or with me in heaven. Don't TRUST in your wealth, health or any gov't to help you but put your faith in Christ is your hope of glory.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 10:10:58 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 10:28:40 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10 its still quite hilarious to find you here always ranting against something you don't even believes exist...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 16, 2020 15:51:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Like in Trump's Covid fiasco, for example.
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Post by magpies39plus on May 16, 2020 18:36:47 GMT -5
Where are you all going? What has all the deviations off the subject"POOR"got to do with list I placed above? "The poor you will always have with you" What did Jesus mean? All the disciples would have gone to school and scripture wouls have been the most important subject for them. Reciting scripture was a must..He was quoting scripture "There will always poor people in the land.ThereforeI command you to be openhanded towards your fellow Israelites who are poor and needy in your land" Deuteronomy 15 v 11. How many people have used Jesus words then "full stop",why bother they will always be around "Jesus said" "NO"He and Hid Disciples knew what He meant. Stay with the subject,don't be tempted by Satin to snap back,just feel sorry for the writer and turn to God and His Word. Have you read the 100 verses re-the caring for the poor? Magpie
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Post by shushy on May 16, 2020 18:45:40 GMT -5
Walter Pickering a sad old Christian assemblies Preacher(now of course is Reg'd Christian Conventions of Victoria),the poor are not our responsability that is why you pay your taxes!! Yes I have often Quoted this from a senior Preacthe that would excommunicate anyone who questioned the 2x2 theology. mmmm? . I thought one should follow Biblical teachings here not a grumpy old Irvinite!! .. www.openbible.info/topics/helping_the_poor .. www.openbible.info/topics/poor . What have you/me done to meets God's commands and teachings,wow yes we do pay tax to a secular Government,but that was used by Pickering as a cop/out? We cannot turn a blind eye can we? Magpie
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Post by shushy on May 16, 2020 18:49:14 GMT -5
The poor are our responsibility.
We are commanded to look after the widows, the orphans the poor and the destitute.
Imagine how much could be achieved if all the church buildings were sold and all the stored cash hoarded in bank accounts were cashed up to help..boggles the mind.
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Post by shushy on May 16, 2020 18:51:09 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10
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Post by shushy on May 16, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -5
where is God? Hes still on the throne. He warned us about what was ahead and he said ignore this at your peril. Biblical prophecy. Im sure if you read Math 24 you will recognize where we are and have been.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 18:59:29 GMT -5
handouts rarely work to help the poor just look at the last 60-70 years of welfare...i prefer the following idea...give a man a fish feed him for a day teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime...
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Post by shushy on May 16, 2020 19:07:20 GMT -5
Aww comeon Wally, they will love you for it, more importantly you are laying up treasure in heaven and not only that... Dont forget it could be you or me.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 16, 2020 19:26:55 GMT -5
Walter Pickering a sad old Christian assemblies Preacher(now of course is Reg'd Christian Conventions of Victoria),the poor are not our responsability that is why you pay your taxes! ! Yes I have often Quoted this from a senior Preacthe that would excommunicate anyone who questioned the 2x2 theology. mmmm? . I thought one should follow Biblical teachings here not a grumpy old Irvinite!! .. www.openbible.info/topics/helping_the_poor .. www.openbible.info/topics/poor . What have you/me done to meets God's commands and teachings,wow yes we do pay tax to a secular Government,but that was used by Pickering as a cop/out? We cannot turn a blind eye can we? Magpie And we are also told to not point finger at another, but I see we should follow Biblical teachings not a grumpy old finger pointer instead. But what were we supposed to believe to be the truth, -if it is the " grumpy old finger pointer," who is preaching from the platform of a convention of what is supposed to be only true way of worshiping god?
If someone doesn't point a finger and question whether that is the right way to act, are we not then just as guilty as the one preaching such an corruption of what Jesus said?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 16, 2020 19:58:00 GMT -5
Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10 its still quite hilarious to find you here always ranting against something you don't even believes exist... Wally, you keep saying that god exists and how powerful he is. How is one suppose to refute what you say without using your own terms & claims?
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Post by xna on May 16, 2020 20:33:18 GMT -5
Q1. Why do people turn their back on God?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 16, 2020 20:41:27 GMT -5
where is God? Hes still on the throne. He warned us about what was ahead and he said ignore this at your peril. Biblical prophecy. Im sure if you read Math 24 you will recognize where we are and have been. where is God? Hes still on the throne. He warned us about what was ahead and he said ignore this at your peril. Biblical prophecy. Im sure if you read Math 24 you will recognize where we are and have been. Matt:24 states many things that are suppose to happen.
Yet, those same kinds of events have happened over & over, time and time again and actually were much worse than we see right now.
Yet, there has been no end of the world or return of Jesus.
Still, some people keep on following that carrot on a stick and believing that this time it will happen.
Why? I believe it is because they desperately want to believe that there is something or someone who is charge of what is happening.
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Post by colac12345 on May 16, 2020 22:12:39 GMT -5
Dear Matt 10, The usual "You can;t answer this"question. Student at a University "Professor how do you know the Bible is real?" The answer quick,short and to the point!! "BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT". Magpie
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 22:17:35 GMT -5
Dear Matt 10, The usual "You can;t answer this"question. Student at a University "Professor how do you know the Bible is real?" The answer quick,short and to the point!! "BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT". Magpie another magpie account, interesting....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 16, 2020 22:50:44 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Like in Trump's Covid fiasco, for example. Just imagine if Trump and his imaginary friend god were left to run the world. What a f.ck up that would be!
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Post by fred on May 17, 2020 2:09:23 GMT -5
Trump only claims that connection in order to win a certain demographic, It's about votes.
I'm certain much of what he says and does is about appealing to different groups. Of course much of it is rubbish, but the problem seems to be that he is beginning to believe his own rhetoric.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 2:22:38 GMT -5
Dear Matt 10, The usual "You can;t answer this"question. Student at a University "Professor how do you know the Bible is real?" The answer quick,short and to the point!! "BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT". Magpie Of course if the student had asked the question “Professor how do you know that the Book of Mormon is real?” and the professor answered “BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT” people would dismiss the answer. And rightly so. Indeed if the student had asked the question “Professor how do you know that George Orwell’s book 1984 is real?” and the professor answered “BECAUSE I HAVE READ IT”, people would just think he was silly. And rightly so. The argument you are making makes no sense at all. Reading the bible does not make it real or true or factual nor does reading the bible make the biblical God become real. The biblical God is a book based God. He does not inhabit the Coronavirus world. The reason Professor Lennox has had to ask the question “Where is God in the Coronavirus World?” is because no one can find Him. And the reason no one can find him is because he does not inhabit the coronavirus world. The only place you will find the Christian God is in the bible. Looking for the Christian God in a coronavirus world is like looking for a missing sock in an empty drawer. Matt10
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Post by magpies39plus on May 17, 2020 3:11:24 GMT -5
Matt 10, You trying to get out of your responsabilities? No even the non believer is under an obligation to look after the less fortunate!! Is their anything wrong with that?? Charities are also full of secular ones just keep supporting them,but don't just make hollow yes I will,and don't,cause you will feel better if you do. Regards Magpie .PS it is better if you put the thoughts you have in one of the more relevent subjects. I hope every one listens to you,cause you will I hope,not feel the selfrightous attitudes of the,supposed Truth Church,cause they are far removed from Biblical Scripture. So do not judge ALL christian charities and welfare works with this sect. Love to you brother/sister....Magpie ,
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Post by Lee on May 17, 2020 9:14:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Like in Trump's Covid fiasco, for example. Trumps fiasco? I can hear him shaming you, "You are fake news".
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Post by Lee on May 17, 2020 9:19:04 GMT -5
Sounds like a rant. For perspective, imagine a world where no one does the right thing. Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10 It tends to be our position that God should wait on us. Perhaps its more appropriate he should present to us as a brat? After Jonah begrudgingly "saved" Ninevah, God chopped the shade plant down just to illustrate Jonah's indifference and self centeredness.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 10:40:22 GMT -5
Of course it’s very convenient for believers to shout “rant“ in order to try to deflect from the fact that they themselves cannot explain their God’s stark absence in this Coronavirus world. It’s now become obvious that even prominent Christian apologists can’t find any sign of God and have to go to astonishing lengths to explain away his absence. Of course people have previously asked the same question throughout history whether it’s Where is God in the Spanish Flu World? or Where is God in the Auschwitz World? Or Where is God in the Irish Famine World? and the answer was always the same. God isn’t there. It’s no surprise therefore that the believer’s response is to ask us to imagine an alternative world because it’s only in the imaginary world that one can find the Christian God. Instead of God wanting people to wake up as some have suggested, the reality is that is the people who want God to wake up. Matt10 It tends to be our position that God should wait on us. Perhaps its more appropriate he should present to us as a brat? After Jonah begrudgingly "saved" Ninevah, God chopped the shade plant down just to illustrate Jonah's indifference and self centeredness. Not to mention the evil of destroying something which is being useful without hurting anyone. The same cannot be so easily said for the 2x2 church. Registered as a charity (supposedly an organization to help the poor), yet helping nobody. One has only to skim through Wings of Truth to realize that the "not hurting anyone" claim doesn't stand. And that's just in the case of the most obvious and greatest evil.
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