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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 0:24:47 GMT -5
It was NO vision... Saul talked to the resurrected Jesus and he talked backed to him. They were having a PRIVATE conversation with each others... Read Acts 9:1-18 Acts 9:8 is the verse you should have highlighted but didn't Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
It says he was blind and didn't see. Further, it says he couldn't see anything for three days. .....and I'm the one who doesn't own a bible Saul had a conversation with the resurrected Jesus and His bright and pure Light/presence blinded him.... Jesus was telling Saul he was blinded spiritual and he needed to be born again then he will receive NEW sight/visions for His spiritual sight to be SAVED. If Saul had NOT obeyed Jesus instruction and refused to meet his servant Ananias then God would NOT give his sight back...
Paul wrote in Romans 1:17 God revealed From Faith to Faith.... God gives His Spirit to them that obey Him. The Living Witness/Ananias. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
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Post by Grant on May 25, 2020 0:51:23 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit does not teach a person to pick and choose what scripture or outside sources they want, which is what you do. You need to ask for decernment. thats exactly what the holy spirit does, we are to be ready in season and out of season and the Spirit will tell you what to say too. if not the whole of scripture is a farce since singles out other scripture and other people all the time both NT and OT. no one said anything about outside sources in this particular post... Harldy any Christian, including professing people believe or agree with Nathan's interpretation of scripture on most things. Is everyone else wrong or is there something lacking in his discernment. A person either has decernment or they do not or again is it a matter of picking and choosing what you want to believe.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 25, 2020 1:00:54 GMT -5
thats exactly what the holy spirit does, we are to be ready in season and out of season and the Spirit will tell you what to say too. if not the whole of scripture is a farce since singles out other scripture and other people all the time both NT and OT. no one said anything about outside sources in this particular post... Harldy any Christian, including professing people believe or agree with Nathan's interpretation of scripture on most things. Is everyone else wrong or is there something lacking in his decernment. A person either has decernment or they do not or again is it a matter of picking and choosing what you want to believe. In Nathan's case the holy spirit is wrong and Nathan is right.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:03:39 GMT -5
thats exactly what the holy spirit does, we are to be ready in season and out of season and the Spirit will tell you what to say too. if not the whole of scripture is a farce since singles out other scripture and other people all the time both NT and OT. no one said anything about outside sources in this particular post... Harldy any Christian, including professing people believe or agree with Nathan's interpretation of scripture on most things. Is everyone else wrong or is there something lacking in his decernment. A person either has decernment or they do not or again is it a matter of picking and choosing what you want to believe. i think you are confusing his alien theories with his scriptural understandings in this particular post so far his last few posts have been spot on concerning Paul and his vision on the road to damascus. you might want to disconnect from your dislike of the alien theories and actually listen to what hes saying biblically about Paul...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2020 1:11:10 GMT -5
Harldy any Christian, including professing people believe or agree with Nathan's interpretation of scripture on most things. Is everyone else wrong or is there something lacking in his decernment. A person either has decernment or they do not or again is it a matter of picking and choosing what you want to believe. i think you are confusing his alien theories with his scriptural understandings in this particular post so far his last few posts have been spot on concerning Paul and his vision on the road to damascus. you might want to disconnect from your dislike of the alien theories and actually listen to what hes saying biblically about Paul... And you think he knows the difference between his scriptural understanding and Jesus living in Venus??
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 1:17:39 GMT -5
i think you are confusing his alien theories with his scriptural understandings in this particular post so far his last few posts have been spot on concerning Paul and his vision on the road to damascus. you might want to disconnect from your dislike of the alien theories and actually listen to what hes saying biblically about Paul... And you think he knows the difference between his scriptural understanding and Jesus living in Venus?? Both are correct. Time will prove that God the Father, Christ, Holy Spirit and all of the good and bad angels came from there! When Jesus returns to earth to Rule as King of all kings, then ALL will KNOW where he came back from. God and Christ are closer to us than you can imagine. They are our next door neighbors!
Christ came from somewhere to have fellowship with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. Christ came from somewhere when he came down to earth in human form to have a chat with Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their first son Issac.... That somewhere is inside the planet Venus.
2000 years ago, Christ/God came down from heaven/Venus to live in the body of a man Jesus to die for our sins as He had promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15.
Jesus came down from heaven... That heaven is Inside of the planet Venus. Inside planet is VERY beautiful/Paradise of heaven.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:17:58 GMT -5
i think you are confusing his alien theories with his scriptural understandings in this particular post so far his last few posts have been spot on concerning Paul and his vision on the road to damascus. you might want to disconnect from your dislike of the alien theories and actually listen to what hes saying biblically about Paul... And you think he knows the difference between his scriptural understanding and Jesus living in Venus?? sure he does....in his last few posts about paul have you heard him say anything about venus? now that you've mentioned venus he'll probably trigger off on it or more hopefully say "take it to some other board not the main board"...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:19:39 GMT -5
ah well he took the bait....
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 1:26:18 GMT -5
ah well he took the bait.... hehe... I will be short and sweet this time... Venus and Jesus are connected, whether people believe it or not.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 25, 2020 1:26:35 GMT -5
And you think he knows the difference between his scriptural understanding and Jesus living in Venus?? Both are correct. Time will prove that God the Father, Christ, Holy Spirit and all of the good and bad angels came from there! When Jesus returns to earth to Rule as King of all kings, then ALL will KNOW where he came back from. God and Christ are closer to us than you can imagine. They are our next door neighbors!
Christ came from somewhere to have fellowship with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. Christ came from somewhere when he came down to earth in human form to have a chat with Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their first son Issac.... That somewhere is inside the planet Venus.
2000 years ago, Christ/God came down from heaven/Venus to live in the body of a man Jesus to die for our sins as He had promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15.
Jesus came down from heaven... That heaven is Inside of the planet Venus. Inside planet is VERY beautiful/Paradise of heaven.
Trump has halted immigration so you god has diddly squat chance of getting into the USA. That is if he would want to go there and run the risk of catching some deadly disease off a retarded redneck.
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Post by Grant on May 25, 2020 1:28:06 GMT -5
Harldy any Christian, including professing people believe or agree with Nathan's interpretation of scripture on most things. Is everyone else wrong or is there something lacking in his decernment. A person either has decernment or they do not or again is it a matter of picking and choosing what you want to believe. i think you are confusing his alien theories with his scriptural understandings in this particular post so far his last few posts have been spot on concerning Paul and his vision on the road to damascus. you might want to disconnect from your dislike of the alien theories and actually listen to what hes saying biblically about Paul... I haven't mentioned anything to do with Paul's vision on the road to Damascus. I'll go and read it now.
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 1:32:46 GMT -5
Both are correct. Time will prove that God the Father, Christ, Holy Spirit and all of the good and bad angels came from there! When Jesus returns to earth to Rule as King of all kings, then ALL will KNOW where he came back from. God and Christ are closer to us than you can imagine. They are our next door neighbors!
Christ came from somewhere to have fellowship with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall. Christ came from somewhere when he came down to earth in human form to have a chat with Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their first son Issac.... That somewhere is inside the planet Venus.
2000 years ago, Christ/God came down from heaven/Venus to live in the body of a man Jesus to die for our sins as He had promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15.
Jesus came down from heaven... That heaven is Inside of the planet Venus. Inside planet is VERY beautiful/Paradise of heaven.
Trump has halted immigration so your god has diddly squat chance of getting into the USA. That is if he would want to go there and run the risk of catching some deadly disease off a retarded redneck. My God and Christ can teleport themselves wherever or whenever and at anytime THEY want on earth or in the Universe... Jesus doesn't need a Passport or permission from any gov't to visit the U.S. or any where in the world.
Do you think Jesus needs anyone permission when he returns to RULE as KING of kings on the earth. Christ/Jesus created this planet and He is coming back to claim it as His own and NOBODY is going to do anything about it. Earthly men and women better listen to Christ when He reigns 1000 year on the earth. God said whichever leader protects His chosen people/Israel He will BLESS him and destroy them who seek to destroy Israel.... Trump is a Israel supporter! God will have mercy on him and his family when Jesus returns. Do you think God and Christ are afraid of some dinky virus? Do you think these virus can harm God and Christ? Jesus has conquered death, no virus, sickness, disease, can harm Him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:44:03 GMT -5
ah well he took the bait.... and ......proved Bobs point, that he doesn’t know the difference. In fact he’s (Nathan) honest about it. It’s all intermingled.
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 1:48:27 GMT -5
ah well he took the bait.... and ......proved Bobs point, that he doesn’t know the difference. In fact he’s (Nathan) honest about it. It’s all intermingled. As I said both are connected and that is why I mentioned it for 10 years on TMB but MOST of you don't believe they are connected.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:50:17 GMT -5
ah well he took the bait.... and ......proved Bobs point, that he doesn’t know the difference. In fact he’s (Nathan) honest about it. It’s all intermingled. well you do have to admit that he did pretty god at least 3 pages without a word about venus until bob triggered him...
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 1:53:43 GMT -5
and ......proved Bobs point, that he doesn’t know the difference. In fact he’s (Nathan) honest about it. It’s all intermingled. well you do have to admit that he did pretty god at least 3 pages without a word about venus until bob triggered him... We beat the dead horse on the vision and Paul for 3 pages and people get tired of reading it. Need a different scenery.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:57:46 GMT -5
So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there a inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now. Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . its something the Holy Spirit reveals.... i probably with some time, prayer, meditation and revelation could tell you which is which or if its both...do your worst.... Well, fair play to you for taking up the challenge. Here goes .... I’ve numbered them for you to make it easier to respond. Matt10 1 Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 2 Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 3 Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt 4 Deuteronomy 22;3 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 5 Deuteronomy 25:4 Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain. 6 Deuteronomy 25:5 If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. 7 Deuteronomy 25:11-12 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. 8 Deuteronomy 22;20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. 9 Psalm 137;9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. 10 Leviticus 26;29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 11 Leviticus 21;9 If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire 12 Matthew 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat 13 Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart 14 Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death 15 Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place 16 Matthew 27;2 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 17 Mark 16 17;18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover 18 Luke 24:5. And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 19 John 12;13 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? 20 John 11;44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. 21 Matthew 28;10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. 22 Acts 1;4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 23 Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 24 Acts 1;18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 25 Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 1:59:29 GMT -5
well you do have to admit that he did pretty god at least 3 pages without a word about venus until bob triggered him... We beat the dead horse on the vision and Paul for 3 pages and people get tired of reading it. Need a different scenery. Try getting out in the garden, appreciate nature, it’s food for the soul. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 2:53:21 GMT -5
its something the Holy Spirit reveals.... i probably with some time, prayer, meditation and revelation could tell you which is which or if its both...do your worst.... Well, fair play to you for taking up the challenge. Here goes .... I’ve numbered them for you to make it easier to respond. Matt10 1 Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 2 Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 3 Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt 4 Deuteronomy 22;3 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 5 Deuteronomy 25:4 Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain. 6 Deuteronomy 25:5 If brothers are living together and one of them dies without a son, his widow must not marry outside the family. 7 Deuteronomy 25:11-12 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. 8 Deuteronomy 22;20-21 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. 9 Psalm 137;9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. 10 Leviticus 26;29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 11 Leviticus 21;9 If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire 12 Matthew 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat 13 Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart 14 Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death 15 Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place 16 Matthew 27;2 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 17 Mark 16 17;18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover 18 Luke 24:5. And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? 19 John 12;13 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? 20 John 11;44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. 21 Matthew 28;10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. 22 Acts 1;4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Acts 1:4 23 Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 24 Acts 1;18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 25 Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done 1. literal 2. literal 3. literal 4. not the correct verse 5. both 6. literal, but you didn't put the whole verse out there 7. literal 8. literal, but you didn't put the whole verse out there 9. further study 10. further study 11. literal 12. both 13. both 14. literal 15. further study 16. not the correct verse 17. both 18. literal you have 2 verses here 4 and 5 19. not the correct verse 20. both 21. both 22. further study 23. literal 24. literal 25. both now i did not read the verses before or after the one you posted so if i did they may change how i understand each verse...
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Post by xna on May 25, 2020 7:32:36 GMT -5
It says he had a vision. He didn’t meet Jesus. 2 Corinthians 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
This is my speculation only, but it fits better with the facts. Notice the oldest gospel is Mark, and Mark doesn't have a resurrected Jesus. In the later gospels Jesus is resurrected, but the stories have differences. My guess is that by the time Paul got on the scene it was popular to add a resurrection to the story of Jesus life. If Jesus was resurrected it is very very strange that a gospel about his life, the book of Mark would NOT have that "little detail" included! That's why it makes more sense that a resurrection was added to later gospels, and Paul may have been aware of this so it was part of his vision. BTW: Some postulate that Saul had temporal lobe epilepsy which caused hallucinations. ummm KJV mark chapter 16 has the resurrected Jesus not sure which version your going by....If you wrote a life story; they died, then you met with them and they were alive again, that would surely be included in your accounting of that persons life. But Mark doesn't mention seeing a resurrected Jesus. This is very strange. Also, Mark doesn't mention the resurrection of the saints like Matthew 27:51-53 where people came up out of the grave and walked around. This is very strange, as it would have been something quite extraordinary to report. In Chapter 16 it says "he is risen", not resurrected. It may have meant he wasn't killed but recovered. The Gospel of Mark is anonymous, and believed to be written in AD 70. When a story is retold many times before it is written down, lots of things can change and be added, but the most extraordinary events are usually retained. This is not the case with the early gospel of Mark.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 7:47:47 GMT -5
ummm KJV mark chapter 16 has the resurrected Jesus not sure which version your going by.... If you wrote a life story; they died, then you met with them and they were alive again, that would surely be included in your accounting of that persons life. But Mark doesn't mention seeing a resurrected Jesus. This is very strange. Also, Mark doesn't mention the resurrection of the saints like Matthew 27:51-53 where people came up out of the grave and walked around. This is very strange, as it would have been something quite extraordinary to report. In Chapter 16 it says "he is risen", not resurrected. It may have meant he wasn't killed but recovered. The Gospel of Mark is anonymous, and believed to be written in AD 70. When a story is retold many times before it is written down, lots of things can change and added. But the most extraordinary events of his life are usually retained. it was probably written in the late 40's or early 50's Paul in timothy quotes luke, timothy is mentioned in acts about 60ish this puts luke earlier than that mid to late 50's and mark was written first before luke by john mark so early 50's late 40's... as with all testimonies people see different things during an event if all the gospels said the exact same thing that would look suspiciously like copying....this makes the accounts more valid than anything... in other books it says risen from the dead i see no difference if it was shortened to risen in mark 16....
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Post by xna on May 25, 2020 7:51:56 GMT -5
Sequence of events from Acts 9 1. Sees bright light 2. Hears voice 3. The other men see no man. 4. Sauls eyes open but he is blind 5. Saul remains blind for another 3 days In no event does he see Jesus what do you think the bright light was then if not Christ in his glory? It says he saw "a light", and bible scholars generally agree that Saul did not see Jesus, but had a vision of Jesus because of the order of the events and it other books it he describe his "visions and revelations of Jesus". When the brain has trauma, a strike on the head, loss of oxygen, electrical storm like in epilepsy, often you see stars or lights. Often these unexplained events were attributed to a god.
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Post by magpies39plus on May 25, 2020 8:02:30 GMT -5
Wally and Gill,how are you going fulfilling the Commands of God,from the list of 100 I started this post with?? Perhaps Nathan and some others could comment on how they are "doing"in helping those suffering further during this horrid pandemic,as well?? Or do you stop part way and mow the lawn instead,because the further this subject that is so important to God,gets forgotten,and non-related rambling starts and the poor,suffering and needy quickly get put on the burner?? "WHY"?? The Holy {GOD"S}Spirit didn't tell any of you to avoid His Words and Commands. Magpie
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Wally and Gill,how are you going fulfilling the Commands of God,from the list of 100 I started this post with?? Perhaps Nathan and some others could comment on how they are "doing"in helping those suffering further during this horrid pandemic,as well?? Or do you stop part way and mow the lawn instead,because the further this subject that is so important to God,gets forgotten,and non-related rambling starts and the poor,suffering and needy quickly get put on the burner?? "WHY"?? The Holy {GOD"S}Spirit didn't tell any of you to avoid His Words and Commands. Magpie i have enough on my plate taking care of mother thank you...besides i donate to salvation army, samaratins purse, st jude and womens safe place..im' good
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 8:26:01 GMT -5
what do you think the bright light was then if not Christ in his glory? It says he saw "a light", and bible scholars generally agree that Saul did not see Jesus, but had a vision of Jesus because of the order of the events and it other books it he describe his "visions and revelations of Jesus". When the brain has trauma, a strike on the head, loss of oxygen, electrical storm like in epilepsy, often you see stars or lights. Often these unexplained events were attributed to a god. Jesus said in John 17 about the glory he had with God the Father before the foundation of the world. In Matthew 17 Jesus showed Peter, James and John on the Mt. of transfiguration... His radiance like the brightness of the Sun. That what Saul Saw on the way to Damascus, the glory of the Christ/his REAL Spirit before He incarnated as a Man/God to SAVE us from the Second Death.
It was NOT a vision that Saul saw on the way to Damasus! just like it was NOT a vision that Peter, James, and John SAW on the Mt. Transfiguration. They saw the actual Jesus appeared in His glorious form bright light like the Sun= God the Christ.
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Post by nathan on May 25, 2020 8:43:35 GMT -5
They are correct, I read about them 5 years ago. Even some of the Presidents (Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy brothers John and Robert, Jimmy Carter and maybe more) and some high ranking officials in the Pentagon and White House KNOW Jesus is a Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus.
Posted 6/2018 An intelligent briefing/information was given to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus is the Visitor from Venus planet. Then the President Jimmy Carter said " So HOW do we TELL the people that? " listen at 1hr: 47
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsoo
When Phil Schiender from Portland, Oregon was working for NATO and U.S. gov't on TOP secret projects he said The U.S. Navy gov't had worked with the Venusians from Interior Valiant and Donn Thor during WWII in 1942 on the Philadelphia experiment mission. Phil's father Oscar, an ex-Uboat captain was sitting Next to Donn Thor at one of those of top secret meetings and he had the picture to prove it. Phil, himself had met Valiant Thor one time also. Here is his testimony before he was killed in 1/19/1997.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oTXEklz4Kc
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Post by xna on May 25, 2020 9:39:41 GMT -5
it was probably written in the late 40's or early 50's Paul in timothy quotes luke, timothy is mentioned in acts about 60ish this puts luke earlier than that mid to late 50's and mark was written first before luke by john mark so early 50's late 40's... My source was from Gospel of Mark info on wikipedia "Most scholars date Mark to AD 65-75" so I used 70 AD in my post.
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