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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 16:25:40 GMT -5
Often someone fixates on a verse or two and then builds a NRM (New Religious Movement) around these verses. For a NRM to catch on it needs a unique value proposition to set it apart, and show it's the true way. The 2x2 just happened to pick verses going 2x2. Many other denominations have picked other verses and largely ignore the 2x2 instruction. This is a time tested formula for new denomination creation. For example; John 13:1-1714 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
That's a real clear instruction from Jesus, but when is the last time you saw a good feet washing in the 2x2? some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others... That is one option. I'm just pointing out: - Many other denominations are foot washing denominations which choose to see that verse differently. - The two by two similarly picked verses which they chose to see differently. The LDS and JW both believe in going 2x2, yet different than the 2x2. Using this time tested denomination making formula. There is plenty of room for many more new religious movements . Check out the beginnings of scientology. There this formula was intentionally used. Most of the rest of the NRM just happened in this same way by chance. The survival of the fittest mechanism determines which denominations keep on going. "On January 2, 2017, Sister Frances Carr died aged 89, leaving only two remaining Shakers: Brother Arnold Hadd, age 58, and Sister June Carpenter, 77"
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 16:54:02 GMT -5
Often someone fixates on a verse or two and then builds a NRM (New Religious Movement) around these verses. For a NRM to catch on it needs a unique value proposition to set it apart, and show it's the true way. The 2x2 just happened to pick verses going 2x2. Many other denominations have picked other verses and largely ignore the 2x2 instruction. This is a time tested formula for new denomination creation. For example; John 13:1-1714 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
That's a real clear instruction from Jesus, but when is the last time you saw a good feet washing in the 2x2? some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others... So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there an inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? (Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now.) Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 .
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 17:05:57 GMT -5
some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others... So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there a inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now. Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . its something the Holy Spirit reveals.... i probably with some time, prayer, meditation and revelation could tell you which is which or if its both...do your worst....
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Post by Grant on May 24, 2020 18:11:20 GMT -5
I guess it was following Jesus example,the same reason you give following jesus example. Foot washing is about humbling ourselves before others and being willing to serve others. I guess the internet can give better examples than I have though. There's that example word again. ** You take/follow an unimportant tradition or custom of foot-washin and ignore to follow Jesus important doctrines like the New Testament ministry and Sunday morning worship/fellowship... THAT IS THE BIGGEST ERROR you make... That is like a person built his/her faith/Salvation on the sand. Where did I ever say I follow the foot washing example. I have never been in a church that has done it but no doubt believe there could be some who have done it on occasions. However I wouldn't say serving others was unimportant, after all wasn't Jesus a servant to all. Following men is building on the sand.
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Post by nathan on May 24, 2020 18:32:42 GMT -5
** You take/follow an unimportant tradition or custom of foot-washin and ignore to follow Jesus important doctrines like the New Testament ministry and Sunday morning worship/fellowship... THAT IS THE BIGGEST ERROR you make... That is like a person built his/her faith/Salvation on the sand. Where did I ever say I follow the foot washing example. I have never been in a church that has done it but no doubt believe there could be some who have done it on occasions. However I wouldn't say serving others was unimportant, after all wasn't Jesus a servant to all. Following men is building on the sand. ** When I was an Assembly of God believer and we practiced foot-washing tradition. Following false teachers are building/putting your FAITH on SAND foundation. Paul, a True servant of God said follow me as I FOLLOW Christ; he's building his foundation on the ROCK. We want to follow those who follow the New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT those who reject His New Test. teachings by saying it doesn't apply to us today.
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 19:06:51 GMT -5
Following false teachers are building/putting your FAITH on SAND foundation. Paul, a True servant of God said follow me as I FOLLOW Christ; he's building his foundation on the ROCK.
We want to follow those who follow the New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT those who reject His New Test. teachings by saying it doesn't apply to us today. Where does it say in the bible that Paul met Jesus, before his crucifixion? He wasn't a follower of Jesus like the disciples. Paul had no first person knowledge of Jesus. Paul said he had visions of Jesus, and people wrote it down, and put his account in the bible. Many people today say they too have visions of Jesus today and had a conversion like Saul. (see video) What makes Paul any different. There are even people today who say they are Jesus. These are all naked assertions. I thought Peter was the "rock-man" not Paul? Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 19:10:17 GMT -5
some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others... That is one option. I'm just pointing out: - Many other denominations are foot washing denominations which choose to see that verse differently. - The two by two similarly picked verses which they chose to see differently. The LDS and JW both believe in going 2x2, yet different than the 2x2. Using this time tested denomination making formula. There is plenty of room for many more new religious movements . Check out the beginnings of scientology. There this formula was intentionally used. Most of the rest of the NRM just happened in this same way by chance. The survival of the fittest mechanism determines which denominations keep on going. "On January 2, 2017, Sister Frances Carr died aged 89, leaving only two remaining Shakers: Brother Arnold Hadd, age 58, and Sister June Carpenter, 77"
Ah! -the Shakers seem to be a good example of how differing religious ideas don't always survive. The Shakers never married & didn't have any children of their own.
"Although they did adopt up until the states gained control of adoption homes, this was not a major source of new members."
People are conditioned to believe differing religious ideas when they are a child! If there aren't any children to be conditioned to believe a certain way, that particular set of religious beliefs seem bound to die out.
Proselytes alone just don't seem to be enough most of the time.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 19:17:45 GMT -5
So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there a inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now. Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . its something the Holy Spirit reveals.... i probably with some time, prayer, meditation and revelation could tell you which is which or if its both...do your worst.... Instead of a "Holy Spirit," -it is more like what people believed who you were around when you were a child, wally.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2020 19:30:38 GMT -5
So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there a inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now. Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . its something the Holy Spirit reveals.... i probably with some time, prayer, meditation and revelation could tell you which is which or if its both...do your worst.... You would run into problems with the workers who advise that the friends must do as THEY say -- because that is their salvation.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2020 19:32:16 GMT -5
I perceive that there should be a mouth washing sect available.
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Post by Grant on May 24, 2020 19:58:04 GMT -5
Where did I ever say I follow the foot washing example. I have never been in a church that has done it but no doubt believe there could be some who have done it on occasions. However I wouldn't say serving others was unimportant, after all wasn't Jesus a servant to all. Following men is building on the sand. ** When I was an Assembly of God believer and we practiced foot-washing tradition. Following false teachers are building/putting your FAITH on SAND foundation. Paul, a True servant of God said follow me as I FOLLOW Christ; he's building his foundation on the ROCK. We want to follow those who follow the New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT those who reject His New Test. teachings by saying it doesn't apply to us today. So if you want to follow the NT teachings you should be foot washing, after all Jesus is your example. The NT teaching is following Jesus not men. Men only preach the word, the message is to follow Jesus, not themselves.
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 20:31:52 GMT -5
I perceive that there should be a mouth washing sect available. Muslim Wudhu - proper mouth washing explained
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Post by nathan on May 24, 2020 20:50:13 GMT -5
Following false teachers are building/putting your FAITH on SAND foundation. Paul, a True servant of God said follow me as I FOLLOW Christ; he's building his foundation on the ROCK.
We want to follow those who follow the New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT those who reject His New Test. teachings by saying it doesn't apply to us today. Where does it say in the bible that Paul met Jesus, before his crucifixion? He wasn't a follower of Jesus like the disciples. Paul had no first person knowledge of Jesus. Paul said he had visions of Jesus, and people wrote it down, and put his account in the bible. Many people today say they too have visions of Jesus today and had a conversion like Saul. (see video) What makes Paul any different. There are even people today who say they are Jesus. These are all naked assertions. I thought Peter was the "rock-man" not Paul? Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Paul met and talked to the Resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus in Acts 9 and in Acts 22:17-18. It was the Resurrected Jesus that taught and gave Paul understanding of His New Testament teachings.
Gal. 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Peter and Paul or any of the apostles/workers are the ROCK-man! Jesus Christ is the Rock Man-God; He is the ONLY one that ALL apostles must build the Faith and Salvation on.
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Post by nathan on May 24, 2020 20:55:20 GMT -5
** When I was an Assembly of God believer and we practiced foot-washing tradition. Following false teachers are building/putting your FAITH on SAND foundation. Paul, a True servant of God said follow me as I FOLLOW Christ; he's building his foundation on the ROCK. We want to follow those who follow the New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and NOT those who reject His New Test. teachings by saying it doesn't apply to us today. So if you want to follow the NT teachings you should be foot washing, after all Jesus is your example. The NT teaching is following Jesus not men. Men only preach the word, the message is to follow Jesus, not themselves. As Wally, has pointed out.... "Some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others..." You MUST know which verses to follow as examples or verses apply NOT to be meant literally. The Holy Spirit will teach you to discern these things to understand what is right thing to do or NOT.
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Post by nathan on May 24, 2020 21:09:26 GMT -5
some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others... So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there an inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? (Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now.) Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . The Holy Spirit will teach the workers and the friends which teachings or verses in the Bible are to be taken literally or metaphorically... John the apostle wrote in 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 21:15:41 GMT -5
Where does it say in the bible that Paul met Jesus, before his crucifixion? He wasn't a follower of Jesus like the disciples. Paul had no first person knowledge of Jesus Paul said he had visions of Jesus, and people wrote it down, and put his account in the bible.
Paul met and talked to the Resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus in Acts 9 and in Acts 22:17-18. It was the Resurrected Jesus that taught and gave Paul understanding of His New Testament teachings.
Gal. 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Peter and Paul or any of the apostles/workers are the ROCK-man! Jesus Christ is the Rock Man-God; He is the ONLY one that ALL apostles must build the Faith and Salvation on.
It says he had a vision. He didn’t meet Jesus. 2 Corinthians 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
This is my speculation only, but it fits better with the facts. Notice the oldest gospel is Mark, and Mark doesn't have a resurrected Jesus. In the later gospels Jesus is resurrected, but the stories have differences. My guess is that by the time Paul got on the scene it was popular to add a resurrection to the story of Jesus life. If Jesus was resurrected it is very very strange that a gospel about his life, the book of Mark would NOT have that "little detail" included! That's why it makes more sense that a resurrection was added to later gospels, and Paul may have been aware of this so it was part of his vision. BTW: Some postulate that Saul had temporal lobe epilepsy which caused hallucinations.
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Post by nathan on May 24, 2020 22:01:24 GMT -5
Paul met and talked to the Resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus in Acts 9 and in Acts 22:17-18. It was the Resurrected Jesus that taught and gave Paul understanding of His New Testament teachings.
Gal. 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Peter and Paul or any of the apostles/workers are the ROCK-man! Jesus Christ is the Rock Man-God; He is the ONLY one that ALL apostles must build the Faith and Salvation on.
It says he had a vision. He didn’t meet Jesus. 2 Corinthians 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
This is my speculation only but it fits. Notice the oldest gospel is Mark, and Mark doesn't have a resurrected Jesus. In the later gospels Jesus is resurrected, but the stories have differences. My guess is that by the time Paul got on the scene it was popular to add a resurrection to the story of Jesus life. If Jesus was resurrected it is very very strange that a gospel about his life, the book of Mark would NOT have that "little detail" included! That's why it makes more sense that a resurrection was added to later gospels, and Paul may have been aware of this so it was part of his vision. BTW: Some postulate that Saul had temporal lobe epilepsy which caused hallucinations. You take II Cor. 12 out of context, Paul did NOT writing his meeting with the resurrected Jesus was a Vision. He was writing to Corinthians believers different kind of visions he had.
It was NO vision... Saul talked to the resurrected Jesus and he talked backed to him. They were having a PRIVATE conversation with each others... Read Acts 9:1-18
Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?” Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.
8 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank. Ananias Baptizes Saul 10 Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11 So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. 12 And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.” 13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 22:07:24 GMT -5
Paul met and talked to the Resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus in Acts 9 and in Acts 22:17-18. It was the Resurrected Jesus that taught and gave Paul understanding of His New Testament teachings.
Gal. 1:11-12 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. Peter and Paul or any of the apostles/workers are the ROCK-man! Jesus Christ is the Rock Man-God; He is the ONLY one that ALL apostles must build the Faith and Salvation on.
It says he had a vision. He didn’t meet Jesus. 2 Corinthians 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
This is my speculation only, but it fits better with the facts. Notice the oldest gospel is Mark, and Mark doesn't have a resurrected Jesus. In the later gospels Jesus is resurrected, but the stories have differences. My guess is that by the time Paul got on the scene it was popular to add a resurrection to the story of Jesus life. If Jesus was resurrected it is very very strange that a gospel about his life, the book of Mark would NOT have that "little detail" included! That's why it makes more sense that a resurrection was added to later gospels, and Paul may have been aware of this so it was part of his vision. BTW: Some postulate that Saul had temporal lobe epilepsy which caused hallucinations. ummm KJV mark chapter 16 has the resurrected Jesus not sure which version your going by....
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 22:29:36 GMT -5
It was NO vision... Saul talked to the resurrected Jesus and he talked backed to him. They were having a PRIVATE conversation with each others... Read Acts 9:1-18 Acts 9:8 is the verse you should have highlighted but didn't Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
It says he was blind and didn't see. Further, it says he couldn't see anything for three days. .....and I'm the one who doesn't own a bible
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 22:32:18 GMT -5
So then, how do you determine which verses should be taken literally and which should be taken metaphorically? Is there an inter-church committee somewhere which decides? Or is this something that God reveals? Or is there an internet site somewhere which lists every verse in the bible and whether it should be taken literally or metaphorically? (Given the number of bible sites around this wouldn’t be difficult to do and therefore raises the question why it hasn’t been done by now.) Or does each individual believer just make it up as they go along depending on the situation they are facing? If I give you a list of bible verses would you be able to tell me which versus on the list are to be taken literally and which are to be taken metaphorically and why? Matt10 . The Holy Spirit will teach the workers and the friends which teachings or verses in the Bible are to be taken literally or metaphorically... John the apostle wrote in 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
Well I’m quite sure the Holy Spirit will teach Enuf ........... as well, if that is the case. I understand his point.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 22:34:36 GMT -5
It was NO vision... Saul talked to the resurrected Jesus and he talked backed to him. They were having a PRIVATE conversation with each others... Read Acts 9:1-18 Acts 9:8 is the verse you should have highlighted but didn't Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
It says he was blind and didn't see. Further, it says he couldn't see anything for three days. .....and I'm the one who doesn't own a bible not sure i am following the complaint are you saying because he couldn't see anyone AFTER the event he didn't see anyone DURING the event?
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 22:47:02 GMT -5
ummm KJV mark chapter 16 has the resurrected Jesus not sure which version your going by.... Mark 16:7 7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
In John 21 they see the risen Christ at the Sea of Galilee. If Mark saw a risen Christ in Galilee that would have been a really really big deal. Something as important as a resurrection would be the biggest news of the gospel, and would have surely been included in that persons life story, but it's not. It makes you think that such an extraordinary event like a resurrection was added to the later gospels.
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Post by xna on May 24, 2020 22:56:09 GMT -5
Acts 9:8 is the verse you should have highlighted but didn't Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
It says he was blind and didn't see. Further, it says he couldn't see anything for three days. .....and I'm the one who doesn't own a bible not sure i am following the complaint are you saying because he couldn't see anyone AFTER the event he didn't see anyone DURING the event? Sequence of events from Acts 9 1. Sees bright light 2. Hears voice 3. The other men see no man. 4. Sauls eyes open but he is blind 5. Saul remains blind for another 3 days In no event does he see Jesus
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 23:06:37 GMT -5
ummm KJV mark chapter 16 has the resurrected Jesus not sure which version your going by.... Mark 16:7 7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
In John 21 they see the risen Christ at the Sea of Galilee. If Mark saw a risen Christ in Galilee that would have been a really really big deal. Something as important as a resurrection would be the biggest news of the gospel, and would have surely been included in that persons life story, but it's not. It makes you think that such an extraordinary event like a resurrection was added to the later gospels. in that mark chapter 16 he appears unto mary and unto the two disciples and unto the eleven so its being reported that he resurrected....i am not seeing a problem here or that "it doesn't have a resurrected jesus"
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 23:07:45 GMT -5
not sure i am following the complaint are you saying because he couldn't see anyone AFTER the event he didn't see anyone DURING the event? Sequence of events from Acts 9 1. Sees bright light 2. Hears voice 3. The other men see no man. 4. Sauls eyes open but he is blind 5. Saul remains blind for another 3 days In no event does he see Jesus what do you think the bright light was then if not Christ in his glory?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 23:20:28 GMT -5
Sequence of events from Acts 9 1. Sees bright light 2. Hears voice 3. The other men see no man. 4. Sauls eyes open but he is blind 5. Saul remains blind for another 3 days In no event does he see Jesus what do you think the bright light was then if not Christ in his glory? A stroke or an epilepsy attack.
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Post by Grant on May 24, 2020 23:44:25 GMT -5
So if you want to follow the NT teachings you should be foot washing, after all Jesus is your example. The NT teaching is following Jesus not men. Men only preach the word, the message is to follow Jesus, not themselves. As Wally, has pointed out.... "Some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others..." You MUST know which verses to follow as examples or verses apply NOT to be meant literally. The Holy Spirit will teach you to discern these things to understand what is right thing to do or NOT.
The Holy Spirit does not teach a person to pick and choose what scripture or outside sources they want, which is what you do. You need to ask God for discernment.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 23:53:13 GMT -5
As Wally, has pointed out.... "Some verses are literal some methaphor and some both this one is not literal its a metaphor for serving others..." You MUST know which verses to follow as examples or verses apply NOT to be meant literally. The Holy Spirit will teach you to discern these things to understand what is right thing to do or NOT.
The Holy Spirit does not teach a person to pick and choose what scripture or outside sources they want, which is what you do. You need to ask for decernment. thats exactly what the holy spirit does, we are to be ready in season and out of season and the Spirit will tell you what to say too. if not the whole of scripture is a farce since singles out other scripture and other people all the time both NT and OT. no one said anything about outside sources in this particular post...
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