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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 23, 2020 21:09:03 GMT -5
The following is a list of Protestant Christian preachers recommended by members of the Truth Old & New-Christian Facebook group for Ex-2x2s.Perhaps some Friends might care to listen to some "worldly preachers" messages and compare. NOTE: The number before the name in first section is the no. people who recommended that pastor. Preachers recommended by more than one person:
6/ David Jeremiah, Turning Point, Shadow Mountain Community Church, San Diego, California 3/ Alistair Begg,Truth for Life, Parkside Church, Cleveland, Ohio 2/ John MacArthur, Grace to You, Grace Community Church, California 2/ Joel Osteen, Lakewood Church 2/ Andy Stanley, North Point Community Church 2/ Charles Stanley, First Baptist Church, Atlanta, GA. 2/ Charles Swindoll, Stonebriar Community Church, Frisco, TX The following had one recommendation (alpha order)
Rick Booye Trail Christian Fellowship. Troy Dobbs, Grace Church Eden Prairie, Minnesota Mark Hitchcock, Faith Bible Church, Edmond OK Robert Jeffress, Pathway to Victory Tim Keller Dan Mohler Robert Morris, Gateway Church Clint Byars, Forward Church, Georgia Steven Furtick - Elevation Church Charles Price, Toronto Canada has retired as pastor of The Peoples Church; pastor is now Brett McBride. Adrian Rogers (deceased), Love Worth Finding Ministries. His sermons are broadcast. m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHaJvNzookJimmy Swaggart Paul Washer Michael Youssef, Leading the Way. Radio Broadcasts Ravi Zacharias Churches:
Athey Creek Christian Fellowship First Evangelical Church (not First Evangelical Free Church) Service at 10:45 AM CST www.firstevan.orgGospel Tabernacle North Coast Calvary Chapel - Northcoastcalvary.org The Orchard, Tupelo MS on Facebook at 9:00 CST Also recommended: Songs of Praise at 11.30 from BBC in Brisbane Qld each Sunday
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 16, 2020 17:42:37 GMT -5
Wow, seems like the ex-2x2 Christians are absolute fools. I saw this guy John MacArthur in the news and remembered that he was one of the favorites of the exes. 6000+ people in his church, disobeying the public health orders, refusing to social distance, and refusing to wear masks. Going to be a lot of dead parishioners pretty soon! Meanwhile, the "untrained", "no bible college" 2x2 workers are keeping the Friends safe. www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/pastor-macarthur-church-california/index.htmlI haven't heard of I'll have to take a look at more of these listed preachers in detail, I bet of lot of them are just as idiotic and crazy. |
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 16, 2020 18:01:51 GMT -5
Dear opening
.John MacArthur,stop the 2x2 judgements of judging the carrier,listen to the messages,(is He a CSA preacher?)this also how the singer is judged not the message in the lyrics. -------------- 2 of my favourate Speaker,teachers are Paul Washer and sadly late,Ravi Zacharias. And Shane Willard's, on the Authority of the Rabi,which covers a study on Jesus schooling.... Magpie
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 16, 2020 18:04:47 GMT -5
Charles Price, Toronto Canada has retired as pastor of The Peoples Church; pastor is now Brett McBride. Critique this one please We listen to this program . It’s called “Living Truth “ on the Shaw Direct Tv Guide . Today’s message here - livingtruth.ca/ Our 2x2 friends share how their meetings are conducted to keep safe and I agree - they are a good example and to be admired in this regard . Better than a church we attend. Alvin |
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 16, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
Holy sh*t! This is "Robert Morris, Gateway Church" from Cherie's list of recommendations "If you don't tithe, it's an open door to demons!" - Are you ready to give this guy your money? How's that for a message, magpie?  These exes will fall for anything I guess. They fell for the workers B.S. and now the prosperity gospel. |
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 16, 2020 18:12:52 GMT -5
Holy sh*t! This is "Robert Morris, Gateway Church" from Cherie's list of recommendations "If you don't tithe, it's an open door to demons!" - Are you ready to give this guy your money? How's that for a message, magpie? These exes will fall for anything I guess. They fell for the workers B.S. and now the prosperity gospel. It is fairly normal and probably The easiest course would be to remain in a 2x2 mindset and condemn the whole works of them . Some like you mentioned make EASY targets , and just bunch then all together and support our previous mindset . Alvin |
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2020 18:14:06 GMT -5
Holy sh*t! This is "Robert Morris, Gateway Church" from Cherie's list of recommendations "If you don't tithe, it's an open door to demons!" - Are you ready to give this guy your money? How's that for a message, magpie? These exes will fall for anything I guess. They fell for the workers B.S. and now the prosperity gospel. ** Amen! Like I have said for over 20 yrs on TMB... MANY exes left the 2x2 And joined 40,000 plus denominations out there! They left from frying pan/2×2 and JUMP into the fiery fire below And don't KNOW it yet. On the way down into the fire they tell other 2x2s to follow them. Yikes! And MANY 2x2s believe them and jump into the fire themselves. |
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 16, 2020 18:38:45 GMT -5
Holy sh*t! This is "Robert Morris, Gateway Church" from Cherie's list of recommendations "If you don't tithe, it's an open door to demons!" - Are you ready to give this guy your money? How's that for a message, magpie? These exes will fall for anything I guess. They fell for the workers B.S. and now the prosperity gospel. ** Amen! Like I have said for over 20 yrs on TMB... MANY exes left the 2x2 And joined 40,000 plus denominations out there! They left from frying pan/2×2 and JUMP into the fiery fire below And don't KNOW it yet. On the way down into the fire they tell other 2x2s to follow them. Yikes! And MANY 2x2s believe them and jump into the fire themselves. Two great endorsements ? Lol Alvin |
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2020 21:18:55 GMT -5
** Amen! Like I have said for over 20 yrs on TMB... MANY exes left the 2x2 And joined 40,000 plus denominations out there! They left from frying pan/2×2 and JUMP into the fiery fire below And don't KNOW it yet. On the way down into the fire they tell other 2x2s to follow them. Yikes! And MANY 2x2s believe them and jump into the fire themselves. Two great endorsements ? Lol Alvin  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:02:09 GMT -5
Religious exclusivism, or exclusivity, is the doctrine or belief that only one particular religion or belief system is true. This is in contrast to religious pluralism, which believes that all religions provide valid responses to the existence of God.
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Post by speak on Aug 16, 2020 22:07:43 GMT -5
Wow, seems like the ex-2x2 Christians are absolute fools. I saw this guy John MacArthur in the news and remembered that he was one of the favorites of the exes. 6000+ people in his church, disobeying the public health orders, refusing to social distance, and refusing to wear masks. Going to be a lot of dead parishioners pretty soon! Meanwhile, the "untrained", "no bible college" 2x2 workers are keeping the Friends safe. www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/pastor-macarthur-church-california/index.htmlI haven't heard of I'll have to take a look at more of these listed preachers in detail, I bet of lot of them are just as idiotic and crazy. Afraid of missing out on the millions $ |
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Post by nathan on Aug 16, 2020 22:14:14 GMT -5
Religious exclusivism, or exclusivity, is the doctrine or belief that only one particular religion or belief system is true. This is in contrast to religious pluralism, which believes that all religions provide valid responses to the existence of God.
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 16, 2020 22:37:54 GMT -5
John Macarthur isn't the only one...
From Dallas Morning News: Televangelist Kenneth Copeland hosted his 40th Southwest Believers’ Convention. But this convention wasn’t virtual for online viewing. Copeland, 83, invited thousands to join him at the Fort Worth Convention Center for an event that lasted six days earlier this month.
It was the first public event at the convention center since March, said Mike Crum, director of public events for Fort Worth. He estimated most of Copeland’s sessions drew between 2,000 and 3,000 attendees. That’s down from previous years, in part, because this year international attendees could not travel here.
Copeland paid $43,000 to rent the hall for six days, city records show.
Rather than cancel the event, Copeland took advantage of the religious exemption in Gov. Greg Abbott’s coronavirus safety rules to hold his Aug. 3-8 gathering with free admission.
In Texas now, religious services may be held indoors, with recommended social distancing. Masks inside a religious event are optional.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 16, 2020 22:44:53 GMT -5
During Hurricane Harvey in August 2017, Osteen was strongly criticized for not making Lakewood Church available as an emergency shelter in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Harvey.
The building is a former basketball arena and stands at 606,000 square feet.
At first, posts from the church stated that the building was unusable due to severe flooding, however, Osteen countered the announcement by saying that the church had never closed.
On the night of August 28th, Lakewood announced they would be open at noon the next day as an available shelter for victims and emergency personnel.
So apparently someone tried to hedge at first time by claiming the church was flooded.
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Osteen's sermons and writings are sometimes criticized for promoting prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that the reward of material gain is the will of God for all pious Christians.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 16, 2020 22:57:42 GMT -5
Afraid of missing out on the millions $ If you are referring to millions, he is going to have a hard time competing with Joel Osteen, who is also on the "recommended" list from ex-2x2s. I won't even mention his enormous mansions. You can find those pictures easily enough online. Most successful prosperity preachers have private jets. Usually a LearJet, Gulfstream, or Citation. You know, something that carries about a dozen of the super wealthy elite in style, but you can't fit a king size bed anywhere  Joel Osteen owns an 86 million dollar Airbus A319 that has been converted into a private jet. On a commercial flight, this would carry up to 160 passengers. Typically, converted narrowbody or widebody private jets are only owned by heads of state, Saudi Princes, and other billionaires. They are not just expensive to purchase, but huge gas hogs to operate when compared with a normal private jet. If enough professing people will leave, maybe he can upgrade to the 787 that he deserves.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 23:02:22 GMT -5
During Hurricane Harvey in August 2017, Osteen was strongly criticized for not making Lakewood Church available as an emergency shelter in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Harvey.
The building is a former basketball arena and stands at 606,000 square feet.
At first, posts from the church stated that the building was unusable due to severe flooding, however, Osteen countered the announcement by saying that the church had never closed.
On the night of August 28th, Lakewood announced they would be open at noon the next day as an available shelter for victims and emergency personnel.
So apparently someone tried to hedge at first time by claiming the church was flooded.
Also:
Osteen's sermons and writings are sometimes criticized for promoting prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that the reward of material gain is the will of God for all pious Christians.
from wiki
Osteen also has a Jesus problem...in his sermons he rarely if ever mentions Jesus...and in prayer he just says amen...not "in jesus name" |
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 16, 2020 23:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 16, 2020 23:39:17 GMT -5
If I'm just a wicked scoffer, surely the #1 recommended preacher on the exes list must be a good guy, right?
Turns out that Pastor David Jeremiah is linked to the craziest televangelists out there. Here he is on Jim Bakker's show. If you are unfamiliar with Jim Bakker, you can just read his Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker) to learn about the sexual misconduct, the convictions for mail fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy, his time in Federal prison, and his current troubles with the US government for selling fake COVID-19 cures.
This isn't David Jeremiah's only foray into televangelism however through. He loves to raise money for the other crazies on TBN, which seems to upset many Christians.
Like anyone else who uses the Bible to make massive sums of money, Pastor Jeremiah is a big supporter of Donald Trump, even serving on his Evangelical Advisory Board.
'Pastor David Jeremiah has compared Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to Joseph and Mary: “It’s just like God to use a young Jewish couple to help Christians.” ' (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-last-temptation/554066/)
It will be very interesting to work my way down Cherie's list and discover how many sociopaths and scam artists the foolish ex-2x2s now follow.
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Post by Lee on Aug 17, 2020 7:53:27 GMT -5
I’m grateful for McAurthur’s challenge, reminding us not to render unto Caesar what is Gods. The virus is a pretext to disturb the current balance of things, where we have not only the freedom of assembling and worshiping, but a tradition that will only be maintained by exercising it.
The response to this virus is a hoax. Never before have the healthy quarantined and masked. By the diabolical logic prevailing during this trend, the human race should never not wear masks, if not a full hazmat suit. After all, from the flu to something else, we naturally carry and spread things.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 17, 2020 8:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Aug 17, 2020 10:38:45 GMT -5
During Hurricane Harvey in August 2017, Osteen was strongly criticized for not making Lakewood Church available as an emergency shelter in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Harvey.
The building is a former basketball arena and stands at 606,000 square feet.
At first, posts from the church stated that the building was unusable due to severe flooding, however, Osteen countered the announcement by saying that the church had never closed.
On the night of August 28th, Lakewood announced they would be open at noon the next day as an available shelter for victims and emergency personnel.
So apparently someone tried to hedge at first time by claiming the church was flooded.
Also:
Osteen's sermons and writings are sometimes criticized for promoting prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that the reward of material gain is the will of God for all pious Christians.
from wiki
Osteen also has a Jesus problem...in his sermons he rarely if ever mentions Jesus...and in prayer he just says amen...not "in jesus name" *** Perhaps, Jesus Christ did NOT send or endorse Joel Osteen as his apostle/servant. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 17, 2020 20:32:52 GMT -5
Osteen also has a Jesus problem...in his sermons he rarely if ever mentions Jesus...and in prayer he just says amen...not "in jesus name" *** Perhaps, Jesus Christ did NOT send or endorse Joel Osteen as his apostle/servant. Perhaps God did NOT send or endorse Frank Stranges as his servant either nathan !!! |
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Post by nathan on Aug 17, 2020 20:52:53 GMT -5
*** Perhaps, Jesus Christ did NOT send or endorse Joel Osteen as his apostle/servant. Perhaps God did NOT send or endorse Frank Stranges as his servant either nathan !!!
Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 17, 2020 23:27:42 GMT -5
Perhaps God did NOT send or endorse Frank Stranges as his servant either nathan !!!
Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
Well you just proved what I said on the other thread nathan ! You have no proof of Stranges weird ideas but because you worship him you think he has been send from God !!! |
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 18, 2020 9:30:53 GMT -5
John Macarthur isn't the only one... From Dallas Morning News: Televangelist Kenneth Copeland hosted his 40th Southwest Believers’ Convention. But this convention wasn’t virtual for online viewing. Copeland, 83, invited thousands to join him at the Fort Worth Convention Center for an event that lasted six days earlier this month. It was the first public event at the convention center since March, said Mike Crum, director of public events for Fort Worth. He estimated most of Copeland’s sessions drew between 2,000 and 3,000 attendees. That’s down from previous years, in part, because this year international attendees could not travel here. Copeland paid $43,000 to rent the hall for six days, city records show. Rather than cancel the event, Copeland took advantage of the religious exemption in Gov. Greg Abbott’s coronavirus safety rules to hold his Aug. 3-8 gathering with free admission. In Texas now, religious services may be held indoors, with recommended social distancing. Masks inside a religious event are optional. It's pretty hard to be slimier than Kenneth Copeland, but John MacArthur seems to have pulled it off. Copeland is taking advantage of his more Christian state's weak laws, but is at least obeying them and the event does have social distancing. MacArthur openly defies the laws in his area and celebrates having no masks and no distancing. I wonder, are the ex-2x2s admirers attending his human petri dish of a church, or are they just listening from home? Barry Barkley doesn't seem so bad compared to these worldly pastors now. |
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 18, 2020 9:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Aug 18, 2020 10:05:14 GMT -5
MacArthur’s church is complying with distancing and masking as I read.
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