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Post by Lee on Aug 18, 2020 12:48:53 GMT -5
I don’t think he did. Inside the church they agreed to abide by the courts request for m and d. I’m guessing he did say something to the effect the masking orders were overblown requirements relating to compliance over virus protection.
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 21, 2020 20:37:13 GMT -5
Tything is not unbiblical!! Yes there is some prosperity groups out there. But before you judge ask any church for a breakdown of their financial distributions. The 2x2s illegally won't??? And see where it is being spent? In Australia,it has been said many times,"take out the Churches social justice,helping the poor,homeless,victimised,general charity,pastoring,counselling,the Country would be broke in a couple of years. Then look what they they do in the third world,again millions helped in the "NAME OF JESUS".One of their main things here I know,is refuge and pastoring for the abused and"CSA"victims. So unless you do that step back,shut up,until you have reason to speak with knowledge. "THANKS". Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 21, 2020 20:46:38 GMT -5
It is a pity 2x2's can't watch TV or these subjects on computer ,isn't it? Then they would have a gain of Biblical knowledge and an ability to discuss with spitting the dummy or lashing out in an unchristian manner. You must feel sorry for them,because their 2x2 doctrine has left out so many NT verses of scripture,they ignore,real church direction and Godly life stuff
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 21, 2020 23:48:03 GMT -5
Tithing is the worst fraud that Christianity has imposed on its people.
In OT times tithing was the taxes to run the theocratic state. Until
the Jews came under the rule of some other government they didn't pay
any other form of taxes. But since it's not explained that was in
the Bible people just accept that it was what was owed to the church --
which they really didn't have either in early Bible times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 23:56:27 GMT -5
Tithing is the worst fraud that Christianity has imposed on its people. In OT times tithing was the taxes to run the theocratic state. Until the Jews came under the rule of some other government they didn't pay any other form of taxes. But since it's not explained that was in the Bible people just accept that it was what was owed to the church -- which they really didn't have either in early Bible times. what about when abraham tithed to melchezidec king of salem...abraham was not under salems rule.... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2020 0:00:44 GMT -5
Tithing is the worst fraud that Christianity has imposed on its people. In OT times tithing was the taxes to run the theocratic state. Until the Jews came under the rule of some other government they didn't pay any other form of taxes. But since it's not explained that was in the Bible people just accept that it was what was owed to the church -- which they really didn't have either in early Bible times. what about when abraham tithed to melchezidec king of salem...abraham was not under salems rule.... Abraham wasn't a Jew. By the way, "tithing" only means paying ten percent as tax. It doesn't mean paying 12 percent of 8 percent -- tax rate a tithe of your income. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 0:16:36 GMT -5
what about when abraham tithed to melchezidec king of salem...abraham was not under salems rule.... Abraham wasn't a Jew. By the way, "tithing" only means paying ten percent as tax. It doesn't mean paying 12 percent of 8 percent -- tax rate a tithe of your income. he was a hebrew though and in the OT.... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2020 0:44:53 GMT -5
Abraham wasn't a Jew. By the way, "tithing" only means paying ten percent as tax. It doesn't mean paying 12 percent of 8 percent -- tax rate a tithe of your income. he was a hebrew though and in the OT.... No, he wasn't a Hebrew either. He was from Ur in Mesopotamia. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 4:15:28 GMT -5
he was a hebrew though and in the OT.... No, he wasn't a Hebrew either. He was from Ur in Mesopotamia. Gen_14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2020 17:15:50 GMT -5
No, he wasn't a Hebrew either. He was from Ur in Mesopotamia. Gen_14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram. So -- Abraham is to Hebrew what Christopher Columbus is to American -- never been there and never knew what they'd call him centuries later. The Hebrews came out of Egypt, not Mesopotamia. |
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Post by joanna on Aug 23, 2020 19:49:01 GMT -5
openingact34 It is irresponsible to share a list of individuals which includes a man who shows a total disregard for the science supporting measures to control the spread of COVID-19 during a pandemic. John MacArthur is quoted as having said: “The good news is you’re here, you are not distancing, and you are not wearing masks. [Cheers and clapping from the congregation.]
“And it is also good news that you are not outside. Because it is very hot out there. So the Lord knew you needed to be inside and unmasked. So he did us that gracious favour.” Eternity NewsWhat more can we expect from people, including those who recommend this ignorant man as someone worth listening to, who dismiss the need for evidence? After a quick look at a few of the others on the list Cherie Kropp shared, I just hope that people will really think about the character-types of these preachers and their obvious greed, contempt for their parishioners and the lack of insight into their practice of spreading of lies (the latter is shared by preachers of all faith-based beliefs).
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 23, 2020 21:07:59 GMT -5
openingact34 It is irresponsible to share a list of individuals which includes a man who shows a total disregard for the science supporting measures to control the spread of COVID-19 during a pandemic. John MacArthur is quoted as having said: “The good news is you’re here, you are not distancing, and you are not wearing masks. [Cheers and clapping from the congregation.]
“And it is also good news that you are not outside. Because it is very hot out there. So the Lord knew you needed to be inside and unmasked. So he did us that gracious favour.” Eternity NewsWhat more can we expect from people, including those who recommend this ignorant man as someone worth listening to, who dismiss the need for evidence? After a quick look at a few of the others on the list Cherie Kropp shared, I just hope that people will really think about the character-types of these preachers and their obvious greed, contempt for their parishioners and the lack of insight into their practice of spreading of lies (the latter is shared by preachers of all faith-based beliefs). There is an aggressive campaign to discredit Nathan here on TMB based on his belief in space aliens and hollow planets. Meanwhile, John MacArthur's defiant leadership are literally a matter of life and death for his parishioners. My heart goes out to anyone who has a loved one that has been ensnared by the Facebook groups of ex-2x2s that direct vulnerable people toward dangerous and exploitative religious leaders.. |
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 23, 2020 21:31:04 GMT -5
Next up on the "recommended" list - Pastor Jimmy Swaggart!
The following is from Wikipedia:
Prostitution scandals
In 1988, Swaggart was implicated in a sex scandal involving a prostitute that resulted initially in his suspension, and ultimately defrocking, by the Assemblies of God. Three years later Swaggart was implicated in another scandal involving a prostitute. As a result, Swaggart's ministry became nonaffiliated, nondenominational, and significantly smaller than it was in the ministry's pre-scandal years.
Background
Swaggart's exposure came as retaliation for an incident in 1986 in which he exposed fellow Assemblies of God minister Marvin Gorman, who had been accused of having several affairs. Once he was exposed, Gorman was defrocked from the Assemblies of God, and his ministry was all but ended. As a retaliatory move, Gorman hired his son Randy and son-in-law Garland Bilbo to stake out the Travel Inn on Airline Highway in Baton Rouge. A camera with a telephoto lens was placed in the window of the motel's Room 12, and draped with a black cloth. When Swaggart arrived, he reportedly went into Room 7. Randy Gorman and Garland Bilbo let the air out of the tires on Swaggart's vehicle. They called Marvin Gorman, whose church was located nearby. Randy Gorman and Garland Bilbo had taken photos of Swaggart outside Room 7 with Debra Murphree, a local prostitute. Gorman arrived at the Travel Inn a short while later and asked Swaggart what he was doing there.
According to Swaggart: The Unauthorized Biography of an American Evangelist, by Ann Rowe Seaman, Gorman secured a promise from Swaggart that he would publicly apologize to Gorman and start the process of Gorman's reinstatement to the Assemblies of God. Gorman offered to remain silent if Swaggart would state publicly that he lied about Gorman's affairs. Gorman waited almost a year, then hand-delivered a note to Swaggart informing him his time was up; Swaggart did not respond. On February 16, 1988, Gorman contacted James Hamil, one of the 13-man Executive Presbytery of the Assemblies of God, who called G. Raymond Carlson, the Assemblies Superintendent. Carlson summoned Hamill and Gorman to fly to Assemblies of God headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, and arranged for an emergency meeting of the presbyters. He was shown photos of several men coming in and going out of Room 7 at the Travel Inn Motel in New Orleans. This was done to establish that the room was being used for prostitution. One of the men seen leaving Room 7 was Swaggart. The presbytery leadership of the Assemblies of God decided that Swaggart should be suspended from broadcasting his television program for three months.
According to the Associated Press, Murphree, who claimed to have posed nude for Swaggart, failed a polygraph test administered by a New York City Police Department polygraph expert. The test administrator concluded that Murphree had failed to tell the truth on all key questions concerning her statement. The test was administered after Murphree offered to sell the story to the National Enquirer for $100,000. Paul Levy, senior editor for the Enquirer, stated that the polygraph examiner had concluded Murphree was not truthful on six key questions, including one in which she was reportedly asked if she had fabricated the story. Levy stated that the Enquirer decided not to print her story due to the test results, her drug use, and the fact that she had arrest warrants in three states. Murphree failed questions about whether she was paid or promised money to "set up" Swaggart, and whether she made up the story to make money from it.
Swaggart's confession and defrocking
On February 21, 1988, without giving any details regarding his transgressions, Swaggart gave his now-infamous "I have sinned" speech. He spoke tearfully to his family, congregation, TV audience, and finally said "I have sinned against You, my Lord, and I would ask that Your Precious Blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgetfulness, not to be remembered against me anymore."
The Louisiana presbytery of the Assemblies of God initially suspended Swaggart from the ministry for three months. The national presbytery of the Assemblies of God soon extended the suspension to their standard two-year suspension for sexual immorality. His return to the pulpit coincided with the end of a three-month suspension originally ordered by the Assemblies. Believing that Swaggart was not genuinely repentant in submitting to their authority, the hierarchy of the Assemblies of God immediately defrocked him, removing his credentials and ministerial license.
Swaggart then became an independent, non-denominational, Pentecostal minister, establishing Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, based in the Family Worship Center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and the Sonlife Broadcasting Network (SBN) can be seen in the United States, as well as in many other countries across the world.
1991 scandal
On October 11, 1991, Swaggart was found in the company of a prostitute for a second time. He was pulled over by a police officer in Indio, California, for driving on the wrong side of the road. With him in the vehicle was a woman named Rosemary Garcia. According to Garcia, Swaggart had stopped to propose sex to her on the side of the road. She later told reporters, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute." This time, rather than confessing to his congregation, Swaggart told those at Family Worship Center, "The Lord told me it's flat none of your business." Swaggart's son Donnie then announced to the stunned audience that his father would be temporarily stepping down as head of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries for "a time of healing and counseling."
If you don't like reading, here's a Youtube summary of Swaggart (and a few other beloved televangelists cut of the same cloth)
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Post by joanna on Aug 24, 2020 0:03:06 GMT -5
openingact34. For sure! There is Nathan and then there are the 'Untouchables'. Despite that they espouse irrational claims, the hierarchy on this forum means some can pop in, make equally as crazy assertions (or share dangerous nonsense like in this thread) as Nathan does, but unlike him, they are not held to account for doing so. The "Recommended Christian pastors broadcasting online, TV, radio" thread exemplifies this. Believing in a hollow Earth and Jesus in Venus (please do not waste your time trying to convince me that these beliefs are true Nathan) is benign in comparison to recommending that (gullible) individuals listen to a pastor's dangerous and false rhetoric about COVID-19.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 4:36:51 GMT -5
openingact34 It is irresponsible to share a list of individuals which includes a man who shows a total disregard for the science supporting measures to control the spread of COVID-19 during a pandemic. John MacArthur is quoted as having said: “The good news is you’re here, you are not distancing, and you are not wearing masks. [Cheers and clapping from the congregation.]
“And it is also good news that you are not outside. Because it is very hot out there. So the Lord knew you needed to be inside and unmasked. So he did us that gracious favour.” Eternity NewsWhat more can we expect from people, including those who recommend this ignorant man as someone worth listening to, who dismiss the need for evidence? After a quick look at a few of the others on the list Cherie Kropp shared, I just hope that people will really think about the character-types of these preachers and their obvious greed, contempt for their parishioners and the lack of insight into their practice of spreading of lies (the latter is shared by preachers of all faith-based beliefs). I can’t help but wonder what attracts ex 2x2s to the list of Protestant preachers which have been recommended here particularly given the information which Openingact34 has provided and which is clearly publicly available. I also wonder why this list of preachers is predominantly US based. Popular US evangelists always strike me as the slightly nuttier wing of Christianity in a field where the bar is particularly high. There are also a number of other things that strike me about them. Like they tend to be extremely wealthy. And they tend to want your money. And they seem prepared to dupe you into believing that it is really God who wants your money in what seems to me to be an attempt to help persuade you into giving them more of it. And they tend to have more style than substance. And they tend to be big into selling you stuff whether it’s books, God, Jesus, magazines or salvation. And some of them appear even more nutty than the Cooneyites. Which takes some doing. Perhaps the people on the Facebook group which provided the recommendations are predominantly from the US. I just can’t imagine that list being compiled by people in Ireland. I’m no fan of the 2x2 church but at least they provide some semblance of humility and self sacrifice whereas a lot of these guys appear to be entirely focussed on building a successful commercial organisation. Which begs the question as to why people serving the same God and filled with the same Holy Spirit in different parts of the globe who were once part of the same 2x2 sect should now be attracted to such completely different types of Christian organisation? I suspect that the people who already know the true answers to these sorts of questions don’t need me to keep telling them. Matt10 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 25, 2020 6:59:29 GMT -5
openingact34 It is irresponsible to share a list of individuals which includes a man who shows a total disregard for the science supporting measures to control the spread of COVID-19 during a pandemic. John MacArthur is quoted as having said: “The good news is you’re here, you are not distancing, and you are not wearing masks. [Cheers and clapping from the congregation.]
“And it is also good news that you are not outside. Because it is very hot out there. So the Lord knew you needed to be inside and unmasked. So he did us that gracious favour.” Eternity NewsWhat more can we expect from people, including those who recommend this ignorant man as someone worth listening to, who dismiss the need for evidence? After a quick look at a few of the others on the list Cherie Kropp shared, I just hope that people will really think about the character-types of these preachers and their obvious greed, contempt for their parishioners and the lack of insight into their practice of spreading of lies (the latter is shared by preachers of all faith-based beliefs). I can’t help but wonder what attracts ex 2x2s to the list of Protestant preachers which have been recommended here particularly given the information which Openingact34 has provided and which is clearly publicly available. I also wonder why this list of preachers is predominantly US based. Popular US evangelists always strike me as the slightly nuttier wing of Christianity in a field where the bar is particularly high. There are also a number of other things that strike me about them. Like they tend to be extremely wealthy. And they tend to want your money. And they seem prepared to dupe you into believing that it is really God who wants your money in what seems to me to be an attempt to help persuade you into giving them more of it. And they tend to have more style than substance. And they tend to be big into selling you stuff whether it’s books, God, Jesus, magazines or salvation. And some of them appear even more nutty than the Cooneyites. Which takes some doing. Perhaps the people on the Facebook group which provided the recommendations are predominantly from the US. I just can’t imagine that list being compiled by people in Ireland. I’m no fan of the 2x2 church but at least they provide some semblance of humility and self sacrifice whereas a lot of these guys appear to be entirely focussed on building a successful commercial organisation. Which begs the question as to why people serving the same God and filled with the same Holy Spirit in different parts of the globe who were once part of the same 2x2 sect should now be attracted to such completely different types of Christian organisation? I suspect that the people who already know the true answers to these sorts of questions don’t need me to keep telling them. Matt10 Amen Frying pan into the fire, one might say. |
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 25, 2020 8:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 25, 2020 16:44:19 GMT -5
The moral of the story: Flaunting one's piety can become the greatest embarrassment. |
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 28, 2020 18:47:23 GMT -5
MUST SEE!
"Recommended" Christian Pastor John MacArthur explains how to view slavery. Remember to turn up the volume.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 20:18:07 GMT -5
MUST SEE! "Recommended" Christian Pastor John MacArthur explains how to view slavery. Remember to turn up the volume. your video has been removed how about this one... www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JNi2eWvVUg6:23 minutes long John Macarthur Explains Slavery in the Bible |
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 30, 2020 21:30:39 GMT -5
Here we go again.... The prominent publication Christianity Today reports that "Recommended Christian Pastor" Ravi Zacharias has been accused of sexually harassing 3 women who worked at spas that he was part owner of. Reportedly, over a period of 5 years Ravi masturbated in front of them...during every visit. They also claim he requested sex from them, and asked that they given him naked pictures of themselves. This wasn't his first scandal. In 2017, he had to settle a lawsuit regarding a sexting relationship he had gotten into with a married woman. For years he claimed to hold multiple doctorates and have studied at Oxford and Cambridge. Later, he was forced to admit that they were honorary doctorates, and that he had only studied at "schools related to" Oxford and Cambridge. Ooops. That didn't stop this "recommended pastor" from pulling in $32 million dollars last year. Praise the Lord. I'm very impressed by the way that the ex-2x2's on Facebook and TLC manage to promote the most despicable pastors around. I think the workers are right about the bad spirits and foolishness of exes. www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/september/ravi-zacharias-sexual-harassment-rzim-spa-massage-investiga.htmlreligionnews.com/2020/09/29/ravi-zacharias-ministry-spa-massage-to-investigate-sexual-misconduct-claims-against-its-founder/ |
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Post by Annan on Oct 1, 2020 6:20:41 GMT -5
Well you just proved what I said on the other thread nathan ! You have no proof of Stranges weird ideas but because you worship him you think he has been send from God !!! Stranges is not a 2x2. He can't go to heaven. Nathan says that's up to his god, but turns around and preaches that only 2x2 who believe in the trinity can go to heaven. He has no clue what he believes. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Come to think of it, Nathan is not a 2x2. He won't be in heaven either! |
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 13, 2022 22:39:50 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Oct 8, 2022 2:26:03 GMT -5
...and in prayer he just says amen...not "in jesus name" There was someone in the bible who prayed like that. Jesus seemed more interested in the man's heart than correct protocol... Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 8, 2022 14:34:56 GMT -5
Well you just proved what I said on the other thread nathan ! You have no proof of Stranges weird ideas but because you worship him you think he has been send from God !!! Stranges is not a 2x2. He can't go to heaven. Nathan says that's up to his god, but turns around and preaches that only 2x2 who believe in the trinity can go to heaven. He has no clue what he believes. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Come to think of it, Nathan is not a 2x2. He won't be in heaven either! haha... I am a 2x2 but not your average or normal typical 2x2.  Some day the 2x2s will see and understand that I am correct on most of the things I have posted or mention on TMB. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2022 21:22:39 GMT -5
Stranges is not a 2x2. He can't go to heaven. Nathan says that's up to his god, but turns around and preaches that only 2x2 who believe in the trinity can go to heaven. He has no clue what he believes. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Come to think of it, Nathan is not a 2x2. He won't be in heaven either! haha... I am a 2x2 but not your average or normal typical 2x2. Some day the 2x2s will see and understand that I am correct on most of the things I have posted or mention on TMB. Since the end is so very near, do you think the Lord can reveal your status to us before he returns? |
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Post by nathan on Oct 8, 2022 21:31:27 GMT -5
haha... I am a 2x2 but not your average or normal typical 2x2. Some day the 2x2s will see and understand that I am correct on most of the things I have posted or mention on TMB. Since the end is so very near, do you think the Lord can reveal your status to us before he returns?
God has revealed your status to us, already. However, you still have time to repent, you know. Don't wait too long or it will be too late, BobW.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2022 21:38:53 GMT -5
Since the end is so very near, do you think the Lord can reveal your status to us before he returns?
God has revealed your status to us, already. However, you still have time to repent, you know. Don't wait too long or it will be too late, BobW.
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