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Post by ellie on May 30, 2020 1:03:51 GMT -5
Are you talking about Sweden or Switzerland? Nice catch, I was initially referring to Sweden, the chart I posted on the other page didn't even have Switzerland on it. But I accidentally wrote Switzerland instead of Sweden, so Gene mentioned what was happening in Zurich. Sorry for the confusion, I'll go back and edit the error, and I think I'll start proof reading what I write prior to hitting the 'Post' button. Ah, but Sweden has a much higher death rate than its Scandinavian neighbours and is still anticipating at least a 7% GDP contraction this year.
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Post by foggydoggy on Jun 17, 2020 16:49:55 GMT -5
Doing OK,
I am blessed in that I am able to work from home. In fact its preferable because I then avoid a long, expensive commute (and I'm losing weight and saving $$$ because we cook instead of eating out all the time.) This sort of pushed my employer into some changes. Today is my second day of one day a week at the office and I actually had to drive in traffic (and pay $2 more to park in the same lot I used last week).
For now my job is secure, though next year could be a different story. I'm government but not tax funded and we will see revenue decreases. I'm ok with that. I can now retire and not starve so what will be will be.
I'm working on my messy yard and cooking more. Natalie and I don't constantly get on each others nerves.
Because Nat is from New Jersey we have a lot of what I would call 2nd, 3rd circle connections who have had and even passed away from Covid and one of our Berkeley neighbors supposedly tested positive. (We are sheltering at my home which is larger and has better internet and is suburban not urban and feels safer.)
I get a little grouchy because the population density is such here that most of the parks get loved to death and maintaining social distancing isn't easy, so they closed. That means I can't trail run, though some parks may be reopening soon, but until other things are open to there are just too many people. My other exercise is dancing which is also not happening for a very, very long time. (Dance with 30 or 40 people while in a room crowded with other people...........I think that will have to wait for a vaccine that works or immunity). Other than that, I'm a bit of an introvert so I'm made for this.
I avoid strident news channels and certain people on facebook because that creates unnecessary anxiety. I am a widower and I think that that has given me the perspective that the medical world does the best they can and knows more than I do about these issues but very bad things can still happen and there aren't always rapid magic bullets. We are going to be in this for the long run and the solutions we have right now are not bad and help but Its still going to be a long journey. So I wear my mask, wash my hands and play the hand I got dealt. I wish more people (especially those in power would ignore posturing, be honest that we don't have all the answers and do the best they can for society in general. I hope everyone else is coping as best they can.
The worst week was when our ancient kitty passed away. He was the best blood pressure pill ever. After a week in a house that felt amazingly empty we found another old guy that needed a home. We adopted Herbie.......................and he brought along his girlfriend Hannah, so now there is fur on every nappable surface again and we are all much calmer.
I am grateful for what I have been blessed with and aware that most are not as fortunate and horrified by what's going on in my country. We can do better and learn to treat everyone as our neighbor I hope.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 17, 2020 18:14:16 GMT -5
That is awesome !!!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 25, 2021 9:48:05 GMT -5
I never claimed to be taking vengeance, just that the other shoe would fall. And 'pride' had nothing to do with letting this person go. Nothing was "defiled" either, she just had a job to do but refused to do it, so I found someone else to do her work and let her go. My decision was based solely on what was best for the business. Its never pleasant firing someone, but in this case, it had to be done.
Trust me, this woman didn't fulfill my life's objectives, nor did I expect such a thing. What I expected is for her to do the job I hired and paid her to do
Of course she wasn't a servant, but when you accept a job, you also take on a degree of responsibility and are obligated to perform the work you were hired to do, but she was negligent and failed miserably.
Bottom line, she was unwilling to give me the time & labor that I was willing to pay for, so her unwillingness to hold up her end of the deal is what terminated the contract.
It wasn't your employee who "was negligent and failed miserably," -it was yourself who was "negligent and failed" because you wouldn't follow the recommendations to close in order to contain the the spread of the virus.
It seemed apparent that your only concern was for yourself and did not seem to be at all concerned if the virus was spread or that some people might even die from it.
Even today your insistence that your actions did not cause anyone to become ill is really unknowable. You have no way of knowing who may have gotten Covid-19 from your insistence to stay open and perhaps even died from it.
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2021 18:24:16 GMT -5
I never claimed to be taking vengeance, just that the other shoe would fall. And 'pride' had nothing to do with letting this person go. Nothing was "defiled" either, she just had a job to do but refused to do it, so I found someone else to do her work and let her go. My decision was based solely on what was best for the business. Its never pleasant firing someone, but in this case, it had to be done.
Trust me, this woman didn't fulfill my life's objectives, nor did I expect such a thing. What I expected is for her to do the job I hired and paid her to do
Of course she wasn't a servant, but when you accept a job, you also take on a degree of responsibility and are obligated to perform the work you were hired to do, but she was negligent and failed miserably.
Bottom line, she was unwilling to give me the time & labor that I was willing to pay for, so her unwillingness to hold up her end of the deal is what terminated the contract.
It wasn't your employee who "was negligent and failed miserably," -it was yourself who was "negligent and failed" because you wouldn't follow the recommendations to close in order to contain the the spread of the virus.
It seemed apparent that your only concern was for yourself and did not seem to be at all concerned if the virus was spread or that some people might even die from it.
Even today your insistence that your actions did not cause anyone to become ill is really unknowable. You have no way of knowing who may have gotten Covid-19 from your insistence to stay open and perhaps even died from it.
Can she claim against her employer for wrongful dismissal?
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Post by Dan on May 25, 2021 18:46:55 GMT -5
It wasn't your employee who "was negligent and failed miserably," -it was yourself who was "negligent and failed" because you wouldn't follow the recommendations to close in order to contain the the spread of the virus.
It seemed apparent that your only concern was for yourself and did not seem to be at all concerned if the virus was spread or that some people might even die from it.
Even today your insistence that your actions did not cause anyone to become ill is really unknowable. You have no way of knowing who may have gotten Covid-19 from your insistence to stay open and perhaps even died from it.
Can she claim against her employer for wrongful dismissal?
No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
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Post by speak on May 25, 2021 19:51:42 GMT -5
Can she claim against her employer for wrongful dismissal?
No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
Regardless whether they cause them harm or not, nice Christian way to go, not.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 25, 2021 19:53:17 GMT -5
Can she claim against her employer for wrongful dismissal? No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
Does that give an employer a MORAL right "to fire a person for any reason they want?"
Especially if that employer presented themselves as such godly person?
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2021 21:12:03 GMT -5
Can she claim against her employer for wrongful dismissal? No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
We have much stronger labour laws here, and probably in most countries.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 25, 2021 21:28:09 GMT -5
"Love is the Kingdom's Banner" is a bit hard to reconcile with such a binary viewpoint on employee relations.
One of the reasons I turned down a very high paying position in the US some decades ago was exactly because of the shareholder driven management culture, where the endpoint is "Turkey one day, Feather Duster the next". And we have seen American Oil and Gas companies come to our country and try and run things the way they do in the US, and run completely afoul of our Labour Relations laws. Deliberate flouting of the Holiday Act and others has seen a number of them taken to court.
In one case, the employees got so hosed off, they left en-masse which forced the company to announce it was quitting the country, formed their own company and bought up the assets liquidated by the previous US company and ran it according to our laws, and made a lot of money. A relative was the CFO of the NZ owned company, and I was involved in helping them get established.
The Exec back in Houston who made a lot of the decisions for NZ, as he was a micro-manager, ended up working as a security guard when he was made a Feather DUster for losing the NZ Business!
Between Black and White there are many shades and colours, and it pays to see that. It isn't touchy feely management, as one still has to be responsible to the main shareholders, but a kind, caring approach is consistent with, but not the sole domain of, Christian values, in my book.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2021 22:11:34 GMT -5
Double post
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Post by dmmichgood on May 25, 2021 22:18:46 GMT -5
We have much stronger labour laws here, and probably in most countries. From my igloo , in the great white north you must have a valid reason to dismiss/let a employee go . As well as, severance pay . If you don’t have a very strong reason with notes of all actions recorded prior to being fired , you need a paper trail . Such as warning notes , reprimand’s again written out to justify them being let go . Unless it is criminal or a huge issue or a safety reason . If not valid , the government will go after the company and slap/fine them with a large amount of money . Labor standards are very clear . In Canada 🇨🇦 Unfortunately I have had to fire many . Worst part of my employment . Our labor laws down here leave much to be desired.
Big corporations have devastated our unions.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 22:28:16 GMT -5
No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
We have much stronger labour laws here, and probably in most countries. we have over 180 federal labors laws and at least 2,000 state laws on top of that. any whiner can find a law to back up what he/she wants to complain about and screw his/her employer...and if you are in a union(ugh)depending, there are a plethora of ways to bone your employer...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 22:33:10 GMT -5
From my igloo , in the great white north you must have a valid reason to dismiss/let a employee go . As well as, severance pay . If you don’t have a very strong reason with notes of all actions recorded prior to being fired , you need a paper trail . Such as warning notes , reprimand’s again written out to justify them being let go . Unless it is criminal or a huge issue or a safety reason . If not valid , the government will go after the company and slap/fine them with a large amount of money . Labor standards are very clear . In Canada 🇨🇦 Unfortunately I have had to fire many . Worst part of my employment . Our labor laws down here leave much to be desired.
Big corporations have devastated our unions. www.employmentlawhandbook.com/state-employment-and-labor-laws/you can check out your state above
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2021 22:34:40 GMT -5
Fortunately our unions are working well for Canadian’s . We are in the same union as the USA 🇺🇸 For all Transit Operators . We are very well protected by the union here . Three strikes required in writing to be terminated . Then the union takes the case .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2021 23:45:49 GMT -5
Ooopppsss
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2021 1:29:15 GMT -5
No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
Regardless whether they cause them harm or not, nice Christian way to go, not. When a person is not dependable, reliable, or responsible, it causes harm to any business. Most employers are pretty desperate for good help, so you've got to be a pretty useless screw-up to get fired these days."The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)... Its Christian to dump dead weight
No, an employer can fire a person for any reason they want, or for no reason at all, with the exception of racism.
Does that give an employer a MORAL right "to fire a person for any reason they want?"
Especially if that employer presented themselves as such godly person?
Absolutely... “Workers are worthy of their pay.” (Luke 10:7), but the key word there is 'worker'.. You've got to show-up for work, otherwise its "No work, no pay".
Whats moral is for a Christian boss not to force everyone else to work extra hours to cover for a lazy bum. Its a place or work, not a country club.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 26, 2021 11:14:52 GMT -5
From my igloo , in the great white north you must have a valid reason to dismiss/let a employee go . As well as, severance pay . If you don’t have a very strong reason with notes of all actions recorded prior to being fired , you need a paper trail . Such as warning notes , reprimand’s again written out to justify them being let go . Unless it is criminal or a huge issue or a safety reason . If not valid , the government will go after the company and slap/fine them with a large amount of money . Labor standards are very clear . In Canada 🇨🇦 Unfortunately I have had to fire many . Worst part of my employment . Our labor laws down here leave much to be desired.
Big corporations have devastated our unions.[/
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2021 12:42:31 GMT -5
Regardless whether they cause them harm or not, nice Christian way to go, not. When a person is not dependable, reliable, or responsible, it causes harm to any business. Most employers are pretty desperate for good help, so you've got to be a pretty useless screw-up to get fired these days."The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)... Its Christian to dump dead weight
Does that give an employer a MORAL right "to fire a person for any reason they want?"
Especially if that employer presented themselves as such godly person? Absolutely... “Workers are worthy of their pay.” (Luke 10:7), but the key word there is 'worker'.. You've got to show-up for work, otherwise its "No work, no pay".
Whats moral is for a Christian boss not to force everyone else to work extra hours to cover for a lazy bum. Its a place or work, not a country club.
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 13:48:13 GMT -5
When a person is not dependable, reliable, or responsible, it causes harm to any business. Most employers are pretty desperate for good help, so you've got to be a pretty useless screw-up to get fired these days."The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)... Its Christian to dump dead weight
Absolutely... “Workers are worthy of their pay.” (Luke 10:7), but the key word there is 'worker'.. You've got to show-up for work, otherwise its "No work, no pay".
Whats moral is for a Christian boss not to force everyone else to work extra hours to cover for a lazy bum. Its a place or work, not a country club.
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem.*simply *edict
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2021 13:51:18 GMT -5
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem. *simply *edict
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2021 14:04:23 GMT -5
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem. *simply *edict WARNING!! WARNING!!
Everyone watch your P's and Q's!
There is a grammarian on the loose today!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 14:20:16 GMT -5
WARNING!! WARNING!!
Everyone watch your P's and Q's!
There is a grammarian on the loose today! when Gene slacks off i have to step up and deliver....
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Post by Gene on May 26, 2021 15:18:43 GMT -5
WARNING!! WARNING!!
Everyone watch your P's and Q's!
There is a grammarian on the loose today! when Gene slacks off i have to step up and deliver.... *When *I
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2021 23:51:44 GMT -5
When a person is not dependable, reliable, or responsible, it causes harm to any business. Most employers are pretty desperate for good help, so you've got to be a pretty useless screw-up to get fired these days."The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)... Its Christian to dump dead weight
Absolutely... “Workers are worthy of their pay.” (Luke 10:7), but the key word there is 'worker'.. You've got to show-up for work, otherwise its "No work, no pay".
Whats moral is for a Christian boss not to force everyone else to work extra hours to cover for a lazy bum. Its a place or work, not a country club.
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem.
No vindication necessary.. I never complained about her work record, but as stated; "You've got to show-up for work".. She worked for me, not the governor, she made her choice and I made mine.
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Post by fixit on May 27, 2021 0:00:46 GMT -5
Dan, You are still trying to vindicate your comments against one of your employees simple because she was following our governor's edit in order keep a deadly virus from spreading.
You never complained about the employee's actual work record as any problem. No vindication necessary.. I never complained about her work record, but as stated; "You've got to show-up for work".. She worked for me, not the governor, she made her choice and I made mine.
She'll find a more considerate and reasonable boss and look back on her firing as a blessing in disguise.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 27, 2021 0:06:25 GMT -5
No vindication necessary.. I never complained about her work record, but as stated; "You've got to show-up for work".. She worked for me, not the governor, she made her choice and I made mine.
She'll find a more considerate and reasonable boss and look back on her firing as a blessing in disguise. Amen!
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Post by Lee on May 27, 2021 0:09:22 GMT -5
No vindication necessary.. I never complained about her work record, but as stated; "You've got to show-up for work".. She worked for me, not the governor, she made her choice and I made mine.
She'll find a more considerate and reasonable boss and look back on her firing as a blessing in disguise. Complaining about Dan firing someone in the context of “don’t work,we have communists to hire” is like selling your brother, Joseph style into slavery. Go away UNfixit. We’ve heard enough from you!
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