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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 2:21:35 GMT -5
The 1918 flu pandemic lasting about 15 months You, or someone in your staff, or someone coming into your business who had no symptoms of covid 19 could have carried the virus and spread it another person who for you know may have died.
That was my point. I weighed the risk and decided not to hide under my bed for the next 15 months .
No, - that was not your point., Dan At the time you flouted the order you thought it was only going to be two months, NOT 15 months
I doubt that you even knew diddly-squat about the 1918 pandemic. So don't try to pull something out of my post that wasn't true in what you thought!
The 1918 pandemic came in three waves. That is why it stated 15 months.We aren't even seeing the end of the first wave of this one. Deadly second wave
The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much more deadly than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily.
By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States, the virus had mutated to a much more deadly form. October 1918 was the month with the highest fatality rate of the whole pandemic.
This increased severity has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War. In civilian life, natural selection favors a mild strain.
Those who get very ill stay home, and those mildly ill continue with their lives, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches, natural selection was reversed.
Soldiers with a mild strain stayed where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus.
The second wave began, and the flu quickly spread around the world again.
Consequently, during modern pandemics, health officials pay attention when the virus reaches places with social upheaval (looking for deadlier strains of the virus).
The fact that most of those who recovered from first-wave infections had become immune showed that it must have been the same strain of flu.
This was most dramatically illustrated in Copenhagen, which escaped with a combined mortality rate of just 0.29% (0.02% in the first wave and 0.27% in the second wave) because of exposure to the less-lethal first wave.
For the rest of the population, the second wave was far more deadly; the most vulnerable people were those like the soldiers in the trenches – adults who were young and fit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 3:01:27 GMT -5
The 1918 flu pandemic lasting about 15 months You, or someone in your staff, or someone coming into your business who had no symptoms of covid 19 could have carried the virus and spread it another person who for you know may have died.
That was my point. I weighed the risk and decided not to hide under my bed for the next 15 months . Taking reasonable precautions, sure that's common sense.. But closing down all businesses and putting millions out of work was a ridiculous idea. Moreover, putting everyone under house arrest didn't work so well. In fact, if the virus returns in the Fall, they don't intend on shutting everything down again.
England, Italy, Belgium, France, Ireland & Spain all shut down completely, and all of them had a greater loss of life per capita than Switzerland, which didn't close anything down, not even their schools!
Switzerland?
Could be that they were better prepared than we were to start with? Could it be that they might have had better leadership than we did?
Flu pandemic: What Switzerland is doing Switzerland takes the threat of a flu pandemic very seriously and makes preparations on both the federal and cantonal level. However, it is important for every single person to be aware of the measures that have to be taken to protect the public.
Preparations are designed to protect the public as effectively as possible from the spread of disease. Strategies for preventing and combating a flu pandemic are summarised in the Swiss Influenza Pandemic Plan.
Preventing and tackling a flu pandemic. The Swiss Influenza Pandemic Plan is updated regularly in line with the international situation, changes on the national and cantonal level and the latest scientific findings. The Swiss Influenza Pandemic Plan is based on the following strategic principles: Implementing health measures to control human sources of infection and slow the spread Assuring healthcare
Assuring the provision of antiviral drugs, antibiotics and specific vaccinations In the event of a pandemic vaccinating those who wish to be Maintaining social and economic life Informing and raising the awareness of medical personnel, authorities and the public
It’s important to mobilise the public The authorities can put a strategy in place to prevent and combat a flu pandemic. But the success of this strategy largely depends on whether each individual knows the right thing to do. (emphasis: mine) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Switzerland
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 3:07:06 GMT -5
Naa I did that when I had the Matron from hell appear on the ward. All the ore reason to stay out of those kinds of wards. But that is hard to stay out of, -doesn't matter whether you are the patient or the nurse!
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Post by Lee on May 24, 2020 11:09:12 GMT -5
That was my point. I weighed the risk and decided not to hide under my bed for the next 15 months .
No, - that was not your point., Dan At the time you flouted the order you thought it was only going to be two months, NOT 15 months
I doubt that you even knew diddly-squat about the 1918 pandemic. So don't try to pull something out of my post that wasn't true in what you thought!
The 1918 pandemic came in three waves. That is why it stated 15 months.We aren't even seeing the end of the first wave of this one. Deadly second wave
The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much more deadly than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily.
By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States, the virus had mutated to a much more deadly form. October 1918 was the month with the highest fatality rate of the whole pandemic.
This increased severity has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War. In civilian life, natural selection favors a mild strain.
Those who get very ill stay home, and those mildly ill continue with their lives, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches, natural selection was reversed.
Soldiers with a mild strain stayed where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus.
The second wave began, and the flu quickly spread around the world again.
Consequently, during modern pandemics, health officials pay attention when the virus reaches places with social upheaval (looking for deadlier strains of the virus).
The fact that most of those who recovered from first-wave infections had become immune showed that it must have been the same strain of flu.
This was most dramatically illustrated in Copenhagen, which escaped with a combined mortality rate of just 0.29% (0.02% in the first wave and 0.27% in the second wave) because of exposure to the less-lethal first wave.
For the rest of the population, the second wave was far more deadly; the most vulnerable people were those like the soldiers in the trenches – adults who were young and fit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
I watched part of this video last weekend. Would you say its mostly skulduggery and prejudice born of the antivaxing crowd? I didn't take a lot of time to analyze it. Maybe we should extend the expression "kill your television" to "kill your internet" given the difficulty it presents in arriving at good information? youtu.be/B4BU5mizwtM
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Post by Gene on May 24, 2020 11:12:00 GMT -5
The 1918 flu pandemic lasting about 15 months You, or someone in your staff, or someone coming into your business who had no symptoms of covid 19 could have carried the virus and spread it another person who for you know may have died.
That was my point. I weighed the risk and decided not to hide under my bed for the next 15 months .
Taking reasonable precautions, sure that's common sense.. But closing down all businesses and putting millions out of work was a ridiculous idea. Moreover, putting everyone under house arrest didn't work so well. In fact, if the virus returns in the Fall, they don't intend on shutting everything down again.
England, Italy, Belgium, France, Ireland & Spain all shut down completely, and all of them had a greater loss of life per capita than Switzerland, which didn't close anything down, not even their schools!
Fake news - check your sources. As it happens, I was just speaking with a friend in Zurich just before I read your post. Primary schools in the Canton and City of Zurich have recently reopened; some only half days -- half of the students attend in the morning, the other half in the afternoon, to reduce class sizes. Universities are still closed.
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2020 11:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on May 24, 2020 11:45:07 GMT -5
Are you talking about Sweden or Switzerland?
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2020 11:58:53 GMT -5
Are you talking about Sweden or Switzerland?
Nice catch, I was initially referring to Sweden, the chart I posted on the other page didn't even have Switzerland on it. But I accidentally wrote Switzerland instead of Sweden, so Gene mentioned what was happening in Zurich. Sorry for the confusion, I'll go back and edit the error, and I think I'll start proof reading what I write prior to hitting the 'Post' button.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2020 13:21:38 GMT -5
Sweden is having problems. Which will only get worse. The herd immunity theory has not worked very well for them.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2020 14:24:59 GMT -5
I reckon information varies,
Certainly while this president speaks -- every half hour sometimes and from the same source.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2020 14:46:24 GMT -5
Well.... there you go, Dan!
That is the kind of error that comes when you are not savvy about the media that you depend on for giving you accurate unbiased information!
Analysis / Bias The National Review Online describes itself as “America’s most widely read and influential magazine and web site for conservative news, commentary, and opinion.”
In review, the National Review Online frequently uses loaded emotional wording in headlines that favor the right such as Weapons of Mass Manipulation.
National Review - Media Bias/Fact Check
mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/
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Post by fred on May 24, 2020 18:51:04 GMT -5
Research has indicated that there are two separate reasons for the varying impact of the virus.
1. How dense the population is.
2. How dense the population is.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2020 19:17:51 GMT -5
Research has indicated that there are two separate reasons for the varying impact of the virus. 1. How dense the population is. 2. How dense the population is. That doesn't address the varying responses given by the president. Those changes have nothing to do with either where or when, but who wants to believe what.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2020 19:19:29 GMT -5
Research has indicated that there are two separate reasons for the varying impact of the virus. 1. How dense the population is. 2. How dense the population is. That doesn't address the varying responses given by the president. Those changes have nothing to do with either where or when, but who wants to believe what. Yep, that kind of dense too.
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Post by fred on May 24, 2020 23:51:22 GMT -5
Research has indicated that there are two separate reasons for the varying impact of the virus. 1. How dense the population is. 2. How dense the population is. That doesn't address the varying responses given by the president. Those changes have nothing to do with either where or when, but who wants to believe what. The who believes what relates to #2, how dense the population is.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2020 0:03:10 GMT -5
That doesn't address the varying responses given by the president. Those changes have nothing to do with either where or when, but who wants to believe what. The who believes what relates to #2, how dense the population is. No, that "who" is/are primarily Fox News devotees. That doesn't negate the fact that dense populations are more vulnerable than other populations, however.
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Post by fred on May 25, 2020 3:26:58 GMT -5
Now that cohort are really dense.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 8:03:06 GMT -5
Now that cohort are really dense. i think you mean the sheeple of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC...little going on upstairs there if you know what i mean...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2020 13:20:05 GMT -5
Be free
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2020 13:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 25, 2020 15:22:33 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on May 25, 2020 15:34:45 GMT -5
Now that cohort are really dense. i think you mean the sheeple of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC...little going on upstairs there if you know what i mean... Wally, Why are there so many news sources like (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) which are all in competition with each other and therefore must be careful to have accurate information, -yet there is only ONE Fox news?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 15:52:32 GMT -5
i think you mean the sheeple of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC...little going on upstairs there if you know what i mean... Wally, Why are there so many news sources like (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) which are all in competition with each other and therefore must be careful to have accurate information, -yet there is only ONE Fox news?Fox news is the lone voice of reason crying in the wilderness....
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Post by dmmichgood on May 25, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
Wally, Why are there so many news sources like (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) which are all in competition with each other and therefore must be careful to have accurate information, -yet there is only ONE Fox news? Fox news is the lone voice of reason crying in the wilderness.... ??
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Post by speak on May 25, 2020 21:08:07 GMT -5
Sweden is having problems. Which will only get worse. The herd immunity theory has not worked very well for them. Now if they were a flock it might have worked
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 23:21:49 GMT -5
Fox news is the lone voice of reason crying in the wilderness.... ??
!Ah hahahahahahahahaha. Now THAT is one of the most amusing things I've read today. Imagine, using 'reason' in the same sentence as Fox Not News. Hahahahaha.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 0:25:30 GMT -5
Ah hahahahahahahahaha. Now THAT is one of the most amusing things I've read today. Imagine, using 'reason' in the same sentence as Fox Not News. Hahahahaha. The reason being to flatter Thumper's ego.
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Post by Annan on May 26, 2020 10:38:01 GMT -5
Hey! You're back! How are things?
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