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Post by BobWilliston on May 22, 2020 13:46:13 GMT -5
The employee/employer relationship needs to be mutually beneficial as does the customer/business relationship. Gotta agree with that of course. What's beneficial to each party occurs after services are rendered, but in the absence of that exchange, there's nothing mutually beneficial to either. You don't seem to understand that your employee's obligation is not to fulfil your life's objectives -- but just to give you the time and labor you paid for. She's not an indentured servant.
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Post by Dan on May 22, 2020 19:21:23 GMT -5
I never claimed to be taking vengeance, just that the other shoe would fall. And 'pride' had nothing to do with letting this person go. Nothing was "defiled" either, she just had a job to do but refused to do it, so I found someone else to do her work and let her go. My decision was based solely on what was best for the business. Its never pleasant firing someone, but in this case, it had to be done.
Trust me, this woman didn't fulfill my life's objectives, nor did I expect such a thing. What I expected is for her to do the job I hired and paid her to do. Of course she wasn't a servant, but when you accept a job, you also take on a degree of responsibility and are obligated to perform the work you were hired to do, but she was negligent and failed miserably. Bottom line, she was unwilling to give me the time & labor that I was willing to pay for, so her unwillingness to hold up her end of the deal is what terminated the contract.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 22, 2020 20:04:35 GMT -5
Bottom line, she was unwilling to give me the time & labor that I was willing to pay for, so her unwillingness to hold up her end of the deal is what terminated the contract. [/div][/quote] That's exactly my point. There is nothing that entitles YOU to the expectation that she do anything more for you. By what demographic category do you consider her owing you ANYTHING? What country do you think you're living in? Do you realize how silly it makes you look to be one sentence (1) complaining about what a bad employee she was, and the next sentence (2) complaining because she wouldn't come back and work for you?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2020 20:41:44 GMT -5
I never claimed to be taking vengeance, just that the other shoe would fall. And 'pride' had nothing to do with letting this person go. Nothing was "defiled" either, she just had a job to do but refused to do it, so I found someone else to do her work and let her go. My decision was based solely on what was best for the business. Its never pleasant firing someone, but in this case, it had to be done.
Trust me, this woman didn't fulfill my life's objectives, nor did I expect such a thing. What I expected is for her to do the job I hired and paid her to do. Of course she wasn't a servant, but when you accept a job, you also take on a degree of responsibility and are obligated to perform the work you were hired to do, but she was negligent and failed miserably. Bottom line, she was unwilling to give me the time & labor that I was willing to pay for, so her unwillingness to hold up her end of the deal is what terminated the contract.
Dan, you are angry at your employee for just one reason.
You flouted an order by the governor to close your business during a crisis and you expected your employee to go along with you and flout the order as well.
If the order had been because of flood or tornado would you have expected her to flout the order as well & drive though a "keep out" zone or row a boat to get to work?
You dislike the governor to the point of calling him Nazi names.
You are also so myopic you can't SEE the virus as dangerous as a tornado or a flood, -so you take out your anger by making all kinds of derogatory comments about your employee and the governor.
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Post by Dan on May 23, 2020 4:10:18 GMT -5
That's exactly my point. There is nothing that entitles YOU to the expectation that she do anything more for you. By what demographic category do you consider her owing you ANYTHING? What country do you think you're living in? Do you realize how silly it makes you look to be one sentence (1) complaining about what a bad employee she was, and the next sentence (2) complaining because she wouldn't come back and work for you?
What makes a bad employee is one that walks off their job, gives no notice, and doesn't tell you when or if they'll return. I also asked her to return her keys and she didn't comply, so I need to change all the locks now too. True, she is not obligated to do anything, but there's such a thing as common courtesy, its just unethical to screw the people you work with by leaving them in a bind. In my view, your not obligated to help an old crippled lady across the street, your not obligated to show up for dinner when a friend invites you over, and your not obligated to extend the person who gave you a job any respect, but the world is a lot nicer place when you do. Honorable people display unselfish characteristics, they treat others as they would like others to treat them.
Dan, you are angry at your employee for just one reason.
You flouted an order by the governor to close your business during a crisis and you expected your employee to go along with you and flout the order as well.
If the order had been because of flood or tornado would you have expected her to flout the order as well & drive though a "keep out" zone or row a boat to get to work?
You dislike the governor to the point of calling him Nazi names.
You are also so myopic you can't SEE the virus as dangerous as a tornado or a flood, -so you take out your anger by making all kinds of derogatory comments about your employee and the governor.
I'm not angry, just very disappointed in the unprofessional way she departed. My firing her was just a formality, she had technically quit already.
True, I don't like Governor Leprecon, and I did refuse to close my business down, which is why I'm not bankrupt now and 3 other people still have their jobs. I weighed the risk and avoided financial disaster, and since no one got sick, I obviously made the correct choice by staying in business, just as all my competitors did.
Its also true that I didn't agree with the 2 month total lock down, it was an over-reaction that didn't work. All it did is put 30 million people out of work and into financial ruin, the economic repercussions will cause far more damage than the virus ever did.. jmo
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 8:25:50 GMT -5
Many of these people on TMB do NOT understand what you and I are going through, Dan. Things are getting better for me and with my business. I got SBA loan and Payroll Protection. Thanks, God or I am roasted duck by now. You should thank your fellow taxpayers, not god. Some of us pay taxes and also get no SBA or PPP. It is that money which is the source of your help, not a god. The least you can do is to thank they real source. When you thank god instead of your fellow man you are being ungrateful to the real hands that help.
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 9:03:31 GMT -5
Many of these people on TMB do NOT understand what you and I are going through, Dan. Things are getting better for me and with my business. I got SBA loan and Payroll Protection. Thanks, God or I am roasted duck by now. You should thank your fellow taxpayers, not god. Some of us pay taxes and also get no SBA or PPP. It is that money which is the source of your help, not a god. The least you can do is to thank the real source. When you thank god instead of your fellow man you are being ungrateful to the real hands that help. I KNOW who I want to thank to because I have PRAYED and asked for HELP to God and He has LISTENED and ANSWERED to my PRAYERS for over 40 years. God has answered too MANY of my prayers the last 40 years, so I KNOW He is REAL like you and me. Yes, thanks to the good uncle Sam too for given us the Ppp business loan also. Without God there would be NO good Ole U.S. A. existence. God use the U.S. to serve His plans and purpose.
Well, You can thank to whoever you want but my CHOICE is to God first then uncle Sam second.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 9:17:24 GMT -5
You should thank your fellow taxpayers, not god. Some of us pay taxes and also get no SBA or PPP. It is that money which is the source of your help, not a god. The least you can do is to thank the real source. When you thank god instead of your fellow man you are being ungrateful to the real hands that help. I KNOW who I want to thank to because I have PRAYED and asked for HELP to God and He has LISTENED and ANSWERED to my PRAYERS for over 40 years. God has answered too MANY of my prayers the last 40 years, so I KNOW He is REAL like you and me. Yes, thanks to the good uncle Sam too for given us the Ppp business loan also. Without God there would be NO good Ole U.S. A. existence. God use the U.S. to serve His plans and purpose.
Well, You can thank to whoever you want but my CHOICE is to God first then uncle Sam second. I suppose IF there ever is a vaccine cure developed for Covid-19 you would also be one of those who would thank god, instead of the scientists.
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 9:31:17 GMT -5
I KNOW who I want to thank to because I have PRAYED and asked for HELP to God and He has LISTENED and ANSWERED to my PRAYERS for over 40 years. God has answered too MANY of my prayers the last 40 years, so I KNOW He is REAL like you and me. Yes, thanks to the good uncle Sam too for given us the Ppp business loan also. Without God there would be NO good Ole U.S. A. existence. God use the U.S. to serve His plans and purpose.
Well, You can thank to whoever you want but my CHOICE is to God first then uncle Sam second. I suppose IF there ever is a vaccine cure developed for Covid-19 you would also be one of those who would thank god, instead of the scientists. I Will THANKS to Both God first and the scientists second. I KNOW God sent His human looking guardian angels the Venusians helping certain groups of Gov't to offer the cure for sickness, cancer in 1957 to U.S. Gov't or to President Eisenhower but the Elite/MJ-12 rulers of the gov't REFUSED the gift because they afraid it would out the Pharma companies and doctors, nurses out of work. However, the Venusians angels are still helping the world with the vaccines behind the scene I hope they will believe them today.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 9:42:35 GMT -5
.... the Venusians angels are still helping the world with the vaccines behind the scene I hope they will believe them today.
“Give me truth; cheat me by no illusion.” — Margaret Fuller
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 10:15:31 GMT -5
.... the Venusians angels are still helping the world with the vaccines behind the scene I hope they will believe them today.
“Give me truth; cheat me by no illusion.” — Margaret Fuller** I tell you the TRUTH and it's documented and historical fact. It's you who don't believe it. I have pictures of the human looking Veusians angels in 1942 and 1957 to prove it and people who met and talked with them in persons. One person contacted them over 50 years until his death in 2005.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 10:25:10 GMT -5
“Give me truth; cheat me by no illusion.” — Margaret Fuller** I tell you the TRUTH and it's documented and historical fact. It's you who don't believe it. Truth ...... that which is in accordance with fact or reality.
The people you image living inside Venus, live only in your head. The world will make more sense when you let go of all your delusions.
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 10:42:56 GMT -5
** I tell you the TRUTH and it's documented and historical fact. It's you who don't believe it. Truth ...... that which is in accordance with fact or reality.
The people you image living inside Venus, live only in your head. The world will make more sense when you let go of all your delusions. ** No, it's NOT in my head we have people who had been INSIDE Venus and met Jesus and many Venusians who live there. They live to TELL us about it. It's you who don't believe it. 2000 years ago, I believe God translated John the apostle to inside Venus planet, where He and Christ gave him the vision of the future.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 11:28:26 GMT -5
Truth ...... that which is in accordance with fact or reality.
The people you image living inside Venus, live only in your head. The world will make more sense when you let go of all your delusions. ** No, it's NOT in my head we have people who had been INSIDE Venus and met Jesus and many Venusians who live there.
They live to TELL us about it. It's you who don't believe it.I'll take a wild guess.... You own store is a comic book store.
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 12:22:43 GMT -5
** No, it's NOT in my head we have people who had been INSIDE Venus and met Jesus and many Venusians who live there.
They live to TELL us about it. It's you who don't believe it. I'll take a wild guess.... You own store is a comic book store.** That is what most of you atheists say about God, Christ, the book of revelation and the Bible. When Jesus returns will prove you atheists are on the WRONG side of the tracks.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2020 13:45:57 GMT -5
I'll take a wild guess.... You own store is a comic book store.** That is what most of you atheists say about God, Christ, the book of revelation and the Bible. When Jesus returns will prove you atheists are on the WRONG side of the tracks. Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2020 15:24:17 GMT -5
What makes a bad employee is one that walks off their job, gives no notice, and doesn't tell you when or if they'll return. I also asked her to return her keys and she didn't comply, so I need to change all the locks now too. True, she is not obligated to do anything, but there's such a thing as common courtesy, its just unethical to screw the people you work with by leaving them in a bind. In my view, your not obligated to help an old crippled lady across the street, your not obligated to show up for dinner when a friend invites you over, and your not obligated to extend the person who gave you a job any respect, but the world is a lot nicer place when you do. Honorable people display unselfish characteristics, they treat others as they would like others to treat them.
Dan, you are angry at your employee for just one reason.
You flouted an order by the governor to close your business during a crisis and you expected your employee to go along with you and flout the order as well.
If the order had been because of flood or tornado would you have expected her to flout the order as well & drive though a "keep out" zone or row a boat to get to work?
You dislike the governor to the point of calling him Nazi names.
You are also so myopic you can't SEE the virus as dangerous as a tornado or a flood, -so you take out your anger by making all kinds of derogatory comments about your employee and the governor.
I'm not angry, just very disappointed in the unprofessional way she departed. My firing her was just a formality, she had technically quit already.
True, I don't like Governor Leprecon, and I did refuse to close my business down, which is why I'm not bankrupt now and 3 other people still have their jobs. I weighed the risk and avoided financial disaster, and since no one got sick, I obviously made the correct choice by staying in business, just as all my competitors did.
Its also true that I didn't agree with the 2 month total lock down, it was an over-reaction that didn't work. All it did is put 30 million people out of work and into financial ruin, the economic repercussions will cause far more damage than the virus ever did.. jmo
The 1918 flu pandemic lasting about 15 months from spring 1918 to early summer 1919, it infected 500 million people – about a third of the world's population at the time.
The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.You can keep rationalizing and trying to excuse your actions all you want, but that 1918 pandemic actually happened. It is a history in black & white that you can't argue with.
You can not possibly know, -as you claim, -that "since no one got sick, (you) obviously made the correct choice by staying in business." You, or someone in your staff, or someone coming into your business who had no symptoms of covid 19 could have carried the virus and spread it another person who for you know may have died.
You say that you are not angry, - WELL, I AM angry!
I have seen the ravage that can happen to some people when others don't care that their actions can put others in jeopardy. That kind of action certainly doesn't follow the rule of treating your neighbor as you would want yourself to be treated.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 15:35:38 GMT -5
** That is what most of you atheists say about God, Christ, the book of revelation and the Bible. When Jesus returns will prove you atheists are on the WRONG side of the tracks. I still think your store is a comic book store as you mix the stories. The bible and comic books are very much the same. For example: Superman was based on Moses. His parents send him away as a baby to escape the holocaust that will destroy his race. He assimilates with his adoptive people and becomes a great hero. THE TANGLED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RELIGION AND COMICS
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 16:50:51 GMT -5
** That is what most of you atheists say about God, Christ, the book of revelation and the Bible. When Jesus returns will prove you atheists are on the WRONG side of the tracks. I still think your store is a comic book store as you mix the stories. The bible and comic books are very much the same. For example: Superman was based on Moses. His parents send him away as a baby to escape the holocaust that will destroy his race. He assimilates with his adoptive people and becomes a great hero. THE TANGLED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RELIGION AND COMICS*** Well, to you atheists God, Christ/Jesus the Creators of all things are the Christians imagination, fairy tales, myths, comics book characters. What will you do/say if you were still alive when Jesus returns as Ruler and King on the earth? Will you accept Him as your Savior.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2020 17:05:44 GMT -5
I still think your store is a comic book store as you mix the stories. The bible and comic books are very much the same. For example: Superman was based on Moses. His parents send him away as a baby to escape the holocaust that will destroy his race. He assimilates with his adoptive people and becomes a great hero. THE TANGLED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RELIGION AND COMICS*** Well, to you atheists God, Christ/Jesus the Creators of all things are the Christians imagination, fairy tales, myths, comics book characters. What would you do/say if you were still alive when Jesus returns as Ruler and King on the earth? Will you accept Him as your Savior. There is as much chance of that happening as of you secretly being Superman.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 17:27:58 GMT -5
I still think your store is a comic book store as you mix the stories. The bible and comic books are very much the same. For example: Superman was based on Moses. His parents send him away as a baby to escape the holocaust that will destroy his race. He assimilates with his adoptive people and becomes a great hero. THE TANGLED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RELIGION AND COMICS*** Well, to you atheists God, Christ/Jesus the Creators of all things are the Christians imagination, fairy tales, myths, comics book characters. What would you do/say if you were still alive when Jesus returns as Ruler and King on the earth? Will you accept Him as your Savior. If a god appeared, then we would have some evidence to consider. But until then, there is no value in speculation on this long told prophecy. But let's say he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect. BTW, it's a 2,000 year old tradition to add to this prophecy; "he is coming very soon".
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 17:53:47 GMT -5
*** Well, to you atheists God, Christ/Jesus the Creators of all things are the Christians imagination, fairy tales, myths, comics book characters. What would you do/say if you were still alive when Jesus returns as Ruler and King on the earth? Will you accept Him as your Savior. If a god appeared, then we would have some evidence to consider. But until then, there is no value in speculation on this long told prophecy. But let's say he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect. BTW, it's a 2,000 year old tradition to add to this prophecy; "he is coming very soon". ** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2020 18:12:34 GMT -5
If a god appeared, then we would have some evidence to consider. But until then, there is no value in speculation on this long told prophecy. But let's say he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect. BTW, it's a 2,000 year old tradition to add to this prophecy; "he is coming very soon". ** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED. Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 18:36:14 GMT -5
** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. Looks like you have given up on the "Behold, I come quickly" promise. One could also believe Superman is real without any evidence beyond what is in the comic books, but that would also be a delusion. In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. The book of Job does not tell a story of a good, loving god, but just the opposite. Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. According to the bible, god is still trying to catch the devil. Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED. Is this the best sales pitch a god can come up with as being a good guy? - He is knocking at the door to save you. - Save you from what? - To save you from what he is going to do to you, if you don't let him in.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2020 18:50:03 GMT -5
If a god appeared, then we would have some evidence to consider. But until then, there is no value in speculation on this long told prophecy. But let's say he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect. BTW, it's a 2,000 year old tradition to add to this prophecy; "he is coming very soon". ** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED. I agree with XNA. If "he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect."
The list would be quite long.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2020 19:14:09 GMT -5
** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED. I agree with XNA. If "he was the god of the bible, then he would have a lot of explaining to do before he could earn any respect."
The list would be quite long.
The events that are recorded in the bible clearly show the murderous intent of the Hebrew people. Covering up their evil by inventing a god and saying this god told them to do it may have worked 2000 years ago but will not work with an educated people.
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Post by xna on May 23, 2020 19:23:02 GMT -5
The events that are recorded in the bible clearly show the murderous intent of the Hebrew people. Covering up their evil by inventing a god and saying this god told them to do it may have worked 2000 years ago but will not work with an educated people. Drunk With Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
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Post by nathan on May 23, 2020 19:31:57 GMT -5
** If you wait for evidences it might be too late, because you likely died before he returns. Looks like you have given up on the "Behold, I come quickly" promise. One could also believe Superman is real without any evidence beyond what is in the comic books, but that would also be a delusion. ~~ " Behold, I come quickly..." A thousand year to humans it seems a day to God and Christ. I VERY am thankful Christ didn't come the end of the 1st century because myself in the 21st century and MANY Christians through the centuries would have MISSED out Eternal life. ONLY God the Father KNOWS when to send Christ back to earth the second time.
In the book of Job, he and his three friends were saying things about God were untrue, then chapters 38-39 God spoke to Job from heaven and answered all of his questions and he was speechless. The book of Job does not tell a story of a good, loving god, but just the opposite. ~~ Well, that is your opinion.... My opinion, the book of Job is a very wonderful book for the believers to TRUST in God even if we can't see or understand the situation because He looks out and protect for our souls from eternal death. Satan can kill the body but NOT our souls, which is Eternal. God wants what is best for us and we must learn to TRUST Him, and his will and plans for us are MUCH better than our own plans.
Man can't outwit or get God in the corner, He is Always 100 steps ahead of us. According to the bible, god is still trying to catch the devil. ~~ No, Satan KNOWS his time is short, and he is on the loosing side/team. When Jesus return to claim His rightful place as King of kings in the Universe and Satan will be banished to inner earth for 1000 yrs.
Once Jesus returns there will be NO SECOND chance for most for most people... God the Father wants to prolong Christ second coming to give the humans more chances and opportunity to REPENT and get SAVED. Is this the best sales pitch a god can come up with as being a good guy? ~~ No, that is my sale pitch.... God sales pitch is For God so LOVE the world that He gave His ONLY begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him receives Eternal life.
- He is knocking at the door to save you. - Save you from what? - To save you from what he is going to do to you, if you don't let him in. ~~ Jesus death on Calvary's to SAVE you and me from the Second death because of own sins= to be cast into burning Lake of fire for Eternity...
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