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Post by chuck on May 16, 2019 20:07:42 GMT -5
You do realise that Jesus is not actually talking about children here?. ** Really? So, tell me who was Jesus talking to? My understanding Jesus could have referring about the children welfare. Jesus also called his apostles little ones. He was talking to his deciples and no he did not call them little children and he was not referring literally to little children's welfare. Read the whole passage and take particular attention to the first verse. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 16, 2019 20:18:03 GMT -5
Again, Chuck, Jesus had a child set in their midst. That child would have understood Jesus to be talking about little children. What people forget that Jesus speaks with a double-edged sword many times and still does. Revelations tells us that. Jesus was talking about little children being offended as well as telling that his disciples should be like little children. And regardless, either group of little ones being offended would bring great woe unto the offender(s). No he wasn't talking about all little children literally at all. He also wasn't disregarding children that belived in him but in no way was he talking about the welfare of all little children like has been suggested in this CSA argument. Mattew 18:1 tells the story. Little ones refers to new believers also. As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child. Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 20:48:07 GMT -5
Simply put, the workers are unqualified to appropriately deal with the CSA issue. They need outside legal counsel to protect themselves, the victims and to prevent further episodes. They need standardized procedures and an open reporting structure. They need insurance of some kind to compensate victims in the case of litigation. But because of the fellowship's pride (yes, pride) in the "lowly", homeless ministry and formally un-structured ministry hierarchy, none of this will happen. For example, we can't hire outside counsel because "we" don't exist! Who would hire them? "We" cannot adopt a name, LLC or corporation name to represent the fellowship. Standardized procedures cannot be put in place because there's no centralized leadership, or consensus among regional leaders. So, except for the individual efforts of regional leaders to get it right, what reason do we have to expect these CSA matters will be handled any differently in the future? precisely |
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Post by nathan on May 16, 2019 20:50:10 GMT -5
** Really? So, tell me who was Jesus talking to? My understanding Jesus could have referring about the children welfare. Jesus also called his apostles little ones. He was talking to his deciples and no he did not call them little children and he was not referring literally to little children's welfare. Read the whole passage and take particular attention to the first verse. Matthew 18:1-10 1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.~~ In this event Jesus shows us that God cares about the children and his followers as his children also. Jesus and God are against those who taken advantage of the children (natural and spirit children of God) innocence to hurt and harm them in anyway, they will be answered to God here on earth or in the judgment day. The disciples of Jesus want to know the secret to be great in God's kingdom and he told them, that they must become childlike in spirits, willing to learn and lead, be humble and be taught by God and others...
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Post by chuck on May 16, 2019 20:51:40 GMT -5
No he wasn't talking about all little children literally at all. He also wasn't disregarding children that belived in him but in no way was he talking about the welfare of all little children like has been suggested in this CSA argument. Mattew 18:1 tells the story. Little ones refers to new believers also. As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child. Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. Dress it up how you like in no way was he referring to the welfare of all little children literally like it has been used in this thread. First verse is the key to this passage. |
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Post by nathan on May 16, 2019 20:58:35 GMT -5
As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child. Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. Dress it up how you like in no way was he referring to the welfare of all little children literally like it has been used in this thread. First verse is the key to this passage.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 21:03:59 GMT -5
IMO, I actually am wondering if you know what a brother’s keeper is?
Do you scream, poking fun of, and kick your brother/sister in the same Faith when he is down or in trouble?
Alan Kito's supposed "trouble" is self inflicted. As is the "trouble" of all who have purposely ignored the issue and slandered the victims while protecting the villains. 1Pet 2:20 "For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this isacceptable with God." But of course, I'm just a simple World Ling who often misinterpret scripture. I'm sure, in the workers context, that verse means that they have done well. It sure has seems like at least in the past that it was the victims who had done evil and were buffeted for it. Or at least, that was the party line when the truth could still make its own truth. |
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Post by chuck on May 16, 2019 21:04:29 GMT -5
He was talking to his deciples and no he did not call them little children and he was not referring literally to little children's welfare. Read the whole passage and take particular attention to the first verse. Matthew 18:1-10 1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.~~ In this event Jesus shows us that God cares about the children and his followers as his children also. Jesus and God are against those who taken advantage of the children (natural and spirit children of God) innocence to hurt and harm them in anyway, they will be answered to God here on earth or in the judgment day. The disciples of Jesus want to know the secret to be great in God's kingdom and he told them, that they must become childlike in spirits, willing to learn and lead, be humble and be taught by God and others...
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. |
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Post by nathan on May 16, 2019 22:14:20 GMT -5
Matthew 18:1-10 1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.~~ In this event Jesus shows us that God cares about the children and his followers as his children also. Jesus and God are against those who taken advantage of the children (natural and spirit children of God) innocence to hurt and harm them in anyway, they will be answered to God here on earth or in the judgment day. The disciples of Jesus want to know the secret to be great in God's kingdom and he told them, that they must become childlike in spirits, willing to learn and lead, be humble and be taught by God and others...
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
STR wrote: As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child.
Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. |
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Post by chuck on May 16, 2019 23:12:51 GMT -5
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
STR wrote: As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child.
Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual.No where in that passage is he talking literally about little childrens welfare (i.e CSA). I refer to my question above, how do you get "childrens welfare" out of deciples wondering who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?. I would urge you to research more about "little ones" in the original context not todays. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 16, 2019 23:23:29 GMT -5
As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child. Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. Dress it up how you like in no way was he referring to the welfare of all little children literally like it has been used in this thread. First verse is the key to this passage. Matthew 13:40-42 |
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Post by chuck on May 16, 2019 23:31:14 GMT -5
Dress it up how you like in no way was he referring to the welfare of all little children literally like it has been used in this thread. First verse is the key to this passage. Matthew 13:40-42 Care to elaborate on your thoughs? |
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Post by nathan on May 17, 2019 0:13:07 GMT -5
I like what STR Wrote and I agree with her! first he talked about the disciples becoming like a child or having a childlike spirit is to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.... Then he talked about offending the little natural child and the spiritual children of God.
STR wrote: As I said, he sat a child in the midst of them. Now Jesus wasn’t one to confuse issues and it would be confusion for the child for Jesus to set him in their midst and then take off talking about things that had nothing to do with that child.
Jesus spoke things like using a two/edged sword. Taking care of the physical or natural while speaking to the spiritual. Think about it. He spoke in parables using natural things and gave wisdom even for those natural things while at the same time he was using the natural parable to show the spiritual. No where in that passage is he talking literally about little childrens welfare (i.e CSA). I refer to my question above, how do you get "childrens welfare" out of deciples wondering who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?. I would urge you to research more about "little ones" in the original context not todays.
The disciples tried to turn the children away, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (verse 14). Mark 10:14 (KJV) adds that Jesus was “much displeased” with His disciples for their actions. He then blessed the children (Matthew 19:15).It is wonderful to think of Jesus interacting with a child. Children are needy and dependent, and they know almost nothing about life. They function mostly on emotion rather than reason. Yet Jesus said, “The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (Matthew 19:14). Scripture often compares believers to children (e.g., Luke 10:21; Galatians 4:19; 1 John 4:4). In fact, Jesus told those following Him, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3–4; cf. Mark 10:15). Jesus’ command to “let the little children come to me” reveals several truths: 1) Children need to be blessed by the Lord. 2) The Lord wants to bless children. 3) Parents should be encouraged to bring their children to Jesus at an early age and teach them His ways. 4) Jesus has regard for the weakest and most vulnerable among us. 5) No matter how compassionate Jesus’ followers are, Jesus Himself is more compassionate still. 6) Those who come to Christ must do so in childlike humility, faith, and simplicity.Like children who implicitly trust their parents, believers trust God. Faith is not about knowing everything or doing everything right. It is about knowing that, no matter what happens, our Father will take care of us. That trust in Him, even when life is terrifying and sad and makes no sense, is what makes a believer like a child. “All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away” (John 6:37). God loves His children.www.gotquestions.org/let-the-little-children-come-to-me.html |
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Post by sunshine on May 17, 2019 1:01:31 GMT -5
Matthew 18:1-10 1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.~~ In this event Jesus shows us that God cares about the children and his followers as his children also. Jesus and God are against those who taken advantage of the children (natural and spirit children of God) innocence to hurt and harm them in anyway, they will be answered to God here on earth or in the judgment day. The disciples of Jesus want to know the secret to be great in God's kingdom and he told them, that they must become childlike in spirits, willing to learn and lead, be humble and be taught by God and others...
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Some verses can be taken literally, some verses spiritually, some verses can be taken both ways. That's the amazing thing about the bible which is a living book. Some verses have dual meanings, or mean something new to us every time we read it. |
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Post by magpie1 on May 17, 2019 1:32:31 GMT -5
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&* Nathan ,yes people make mistakes,but you being a 2x2 you try and use the failures of man to justify the evil cancerous 2x2 Him/ Her paedophile acts and troubles worldwide? Don't you? Of course their is redemption,after of course confessing to your sin openly and seeking forgiveness from your victims" "openly". If they haven't had a mental breakdown or suicide!!! If you still support this as an acceptable part of your ministry,or just accept that ministry,"you"do have blood on your hands,in "many"countries.So stop quoting scripture that does not cover the Body Of Christ (Church)today. And your thoughts on the Redress Scheme,if you have no idea what it is get off your butt and look it up and read it. In the mean time remember you over the years have never ever said why you believe a Preacher only mimistry is N/T Biblical,you have been asked a lot though,haven't you??? . Magpie
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Post by chuck on May 17, 2019 1:45:37 GMT -5
No where in that passage is he talking literally about little childrens welfare (i.e CSA). I refer to my question above, how do you get "childrens welfare" out of deciples wondering who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?. I would urge you to research more about "little ones" in the original context not todays.
The disciples tried to turn the children away, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (verse 14). Mark 10:14 (KJV) adds that Jesus was “much displeased” with His disciples for their actions. He then blessed the children (Matthew 19:15).It is wonderful to think of Jesus interacting with a child. Children are needy and dependent, and they know almost nothing about life. They function mostly on emotion rather than reason. Yet Jesus said, “The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (Matthew 19:14). Scripture often compares believers to children (e.g., Luke 10:21; Galatians 4:19; 1 John 4:4). In fact, Jesus told those following Him, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3–4; cf. Mark 10:15). Jesus’ command to “let the little children come to me” reveals several truths: 1) Children need to be blessed by the Lord. 2) The Lord wants to bless children. 3) Parents should be encouraged to bring their children to Jesus at an early age and teach them His ways. 4) Jesus has regard for the weakest and most vulnerable among us. 5) No matter how compassionate Jesus’ followers are, Jesus Himself is more compassionate still. 6) Those who come to Christ must do so in childlike humility, faith, and simplicity.Like children who implicitly trust their parents, believers trust God. Faith is not about knowing everything or doing everything right. It is about knowing that, no matter what happens, our Father will take care of us. That trust in Him, even when life is terrifying and sad and makes no sense, is what makes a believer like a child. “All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away” (John 6:37). God loves His children.www.gotquestions.org/let-the-little-children-come-to-me.htmlIs that you answer to my question?. Where did I suggest God/Jesus does not care for children? |
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Post by benar on May 17, 2019 1:57:13 GMT -5
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Some verses can be taken literally, some verses spiritually, some verses can be taken both ways. That's the amazing thing about the bible which is a living book. Some verses have dual meanings, or mean something new to us every time we read it. Simple confirmation bias at work there. |
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Post by nathan on May 17, 2019 7:40:38 GMT -5
Jesus say, “Let the little children come to me.” God loves, cares for the children well beings and the children of God also. The natural and spiritual children are the HOPE of the kingdom of God.
The disciples tried to turn the children away, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (verse 14). Mark 10:14 (KJV) adds that Jesus was “much displeased” with His disciples for their actions. He then blessed the children (Matthew 19:15).It is wonderful to think of Jesus interacting with a child. Children are needy and dependent, and they know almost nothing about life. They function mostly on emotion rather than reason. Yet Jesus said, “The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these” (Matthew 19:14). Scripture often compares believers to children (e.g., Luke 10:21; Galatians 4:19; 1 John 4:4). In fact, Jesus told those following Him, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3–4; cf. Mark 10:15). Jesus’ command to “let the little children come to me” reveals several truths: 1) Children need to be blessed by the Lord. 2) The Lord wants to bless children. 3) Parents should be encouraged to bring their children to Jesus at an early age and teach them His ways. 4) Jesus has regard for the weakest and most vulnerable among us. 5) No matter how compassionate Jesus’ followers are, Jesus Himself is more compassionate still. 6) Those who come to Christ must do so in childlike humility, faith, and simplicity.Like children who implicitly trust their parents, believers trust God. Faith is not about knowing everything or doing everything right. It is about knowing that, no matter what happens, our Father will take care of us. That trust in Him, even when life is terrifying and sad and makes no sense, is what makes a believer like a child. “All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away” (John 6:37). God loves His children.www.gotquestions.org/let-the-little-children-come-to-me.html Is that your answer to my question?. Where did I suggest God/Jesus does not care for children?
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The Wrath of the Lamb/Christ pours out on the earth against those who harm His people.
Rev. 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The Final Battle of Armaggedon between God/Christ Vs. Satan
Rev. 20:9-15 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
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Post by nathan on May 17, 2019 8:03:39 GMT -5
!@#$%^&*!@#$%^&* Nathan ,yes people make mistakes,but you being a 2x2 you try and use the failures of man to justify the evil cancerous 2x2 Him/ Her paedophile acts and troubles worldwide? Don't you? Of course their is redemption,after of course confessing to your sin openly and seeking forgiveness from your victims" "openly". If they haven't had a mental breakdown or suicide!!! If you still support this as an acceptable part of your ministry,or just accept that ministry,"you"do have blood on your hands,in "many"countries.So stop quoting scripture that does not cover the Body Of Christ (Church)today. And your thoughts on the Redress Scheme,if you have no idea what it is get off your butt and look it up and read it. In the mean time remember you over the years have never ever said why you believe a Preacher only mimistry is N/T Biblical,you have been asked a lot though,haven't you??? . Magpie
Don't worry, any person who harms or hurts the children with CSA and harming God's children will get their day in Court on earth and for some reasons because of technicality, they escape facing judgment on earth, God will GET THEM in the day of Judgment for sure. They will get punishment of horrible pains, and suffering a 1000 times worse than what they did to both of the natural and spiritual children of God. |
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Post by chuck on May 17, 2019 9:52:04 GMT -5
Is that your answer to my question?. Where did I suggest God/Jesus does not care for children?
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The Wrath of the Lamb/Christ pours out on the earth against those who harm His people.
Rev. 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The Final Battle of Armaggedon between God/Christ Vs. Satan
Rev. 20:9-15 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.You still didnt answer my question. What does diciples discussing who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven have to do with child welfare?. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 17, 2019 11:18:33 GMT -5
Care to elaborate on your thoughs? Jesus’ opinion about offenders. |
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Post by snow on May 17, 2019 14:46:30 GMT -5
So if your going to take it literally how many feet and hands have you cut off?. Ill put it to you this way. What does diciples talking about who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (one could surmise they are arguing amognst themelves about who is going to be the greatest, human nature) have to do with the literal welfare of all little children? pretty random answer from Jesus to talk about child welfare in this context of who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Some verses can be taken literally, some verses spiritually, some verses can be taken both ways. That's the amazing thing about the bible which is a living book. Some verses have dual meanings, or mean something new to us every time we read it. And it's also the reason that the bible can be used by anyone to mean anything they want it to. It also explains the thousands of different denominations. |
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Post by nathan on May 17, 2019 16:05:27 GMT -5
Yes, that is my answer to your question on Matthew 18 that is Jesus talking about the well being of the natural children and also the spiritual children of God that the people of this earth should NOT HURT or HARM them in anyway because they will be given ANSWER to God on earth/prison time and also later on, in the day of Judgment!/ to be cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNIY. Their BLOOD are CRYING out to God daily in heaven to Avenge Them!
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The Wrath of the Lamb/Christ pours out on the earth against those who harm His people.
Rev. 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The Final Battle of Armaggedon between God/Christ Vs. Satan
Rev. 20:9-15 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. You still didnt answer my question. What does diciples discussing who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven have to do with child welfare?. ** It has a lot to do with it Jesus was using the child to teach the disciples lesson of humility. Another lesson that nobody should harm a child in anyway whatsoever! They will get punished in this life and NEXT to come. |
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Post by sunshine on May 17, 2019 16:10:19 GMT -5
Some verses can be taken literally, some verses spiritually, some verses can be taken both ways. That's the amazing thing about the bible which is a living book. Some verses have dual meanings, or mean something new to us every time we read it. Simple confirmation bias at work there. Is your goal on this board to always find a way to automatically dispute and put down other's beliefs.....you just told someone to be open minded in a reply, but you aren't being that yourself. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 17, 2019 16:25:01 GMT -5
Simple confirmation bias at work there. Is your goal on this board to always find a way to automatically dispute and put down other's beliefs.....you just told someone to be open minded in a reply, but you aren't being that yourself. Benar is merely pointing out that some form of argument is not argument at all. |
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Post by benar on May 17, 2019 22:01:20 GMT -5
Simple confirmation bias at work there. Is your goal on this board to always find a way to automatically dispute and put down other's beliefs.....you just told someone to be open minded in a reply, but you aren't being that yourself. I can see why you may think that, but let me explain. Being open-minded doesn’t mean believing anything, nor does it mean automatically respecting other people’s beliefs. It simply means being willing to change your mind when the evidence shows there’s a reason to do so. I suspect you’ll find the great majority of atheists are not unwilling to believe in a god, it’s just that evidence has not been presented to do so. I understand that believers feel strongly that they do in fact have evidence, but what is commonly misunderstood is that there are standards of evidence and logical fallacies to be aware of. The most common argument I see from theists is an argument from personal experience. The trouble is, a Christian will ‘prove’ the existence of Yahweh through their own personal experience, a Muslim will do similar with Allah and a Hindu with Vishnu. This demonstrates that personal experience is not a reliable way to determine what is true. So reading the Bible and finding it resonates with you unfortunately means nothing in the quest for what is true. There may be good evidence out there for a god, but so far none has ever been given. |
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Post by chuck on May 18, 2019 0:49:03 GMT -5
You still didnt answer my question. What does diciples discussing who is going to be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven have to do with child welfare?. ** It has a lot to do with it Jesus was using the child to teach the disciples lesson of humility. Another lesson that nobody should harm a child in anyway whatsoever! They will get punished in this life and NEXT to come. One lesson, the second one MAN made up. I can see exactly why but its a MAN made lesson. |
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2019 1:07:56 GMT -5
** It has a lot to do with it Jesus was using the child to teach the disciples lesson of humility. Another lesson that nobody should harm a child in anyway whatsoever! They will get punished in this life and NEXT to come. One lesson, the second one MAN made up. I can see exactly why but its a MAN made lesson.
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