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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 3:01:49 GMT -5
Hey Curly, I want to sleep tonight. It's easy enough to tell when a Taupo eruption is going to happen. Loads of GNS scientists come to town. Then the price of real estate plummets. The first cars out of town are the real estate agents. Just keep an eye out for the above signs. I will do ....haha
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Post by Dan on Aug 3, 2020 3:12:45 GMT -5
That's your opinion, but I know God exists! Maryhig, -Matt was very polite in his reply to you by saying; "While I fully accept your belief in your God and the fact the your God is very real to you...,"
Then he patiently explained to you in a in-depth statement his own belief.
Can't you answer him in the same polite manner instead of saying it is his "opinion?"
I am fairly sure that you don't think of your own belief as just an "opinion."
Not to butt in, but belief & non-belief are choices made in the absence of objective evidence. We all read the same story and form an opinion on whether its true or false.
There evidence of God that you claim is all around us is not evidence of an all knowing God. Creation is evidence of a Creator, and its the only credible explanation for all that exist. It is not evidence of a loving God or a just God or a God who can heal all ailments. That evidence came and left, we are now called by faith to accept it. It is not evidence of a God who resurrects people from the dead or who raises men up to heaven. It happened, the resurrection & ascension of Christ was witnessed... That's evidence. It not evidence of a God who calls on people to sell all and go forth 2x2 to preach. It was recorded in well preserved books written by those who forsook all and went forth in pairs as instructed.
A greater mind is not reduced to using an ass to communicate. Perhaps God was making a point, the ass was smarter than Balaam A greater mind does not inspire an error ridden book filled with inconsistencies. The books describe a very consistent God with a very clear & consistent message. A greater mind doesn’t make such a botched job of his creation that he has to drown practically all of them and start again. Creation wasn't botched, it was corrupted by sin. A greater mind does not instruct fallible men to spread word of it to all the world at a time when the only land transport available to them is the donkey. God did and it was done, that's credible. A greater mind doesn’t get angry with the flawed things he is responsible for creating. God created everything except sin, so His anger is set against our creation (sin emanates from us) A greater mind who is responsible for the design of human beings doesn’t design them susceptible to things such as smallpox, cancer and fatal familial insomnia. Matt10 We weren't originally designed poorly, we became susceptible by choice (Disobedience = "Surely thou shalt die").. Death & disease are now part of a corrupted world.
We're called by faith because God wants our trust and love, and only faith can demonstrate that. Proof of God would make it impossible to separate those who resent Him (the tares). "Without faith it is impossible to please him" (Hebrews 11:6)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 4:06:26 GMT -5
There may be evidence of God all around us but it is not evidence of the Christian God. While I fully accept your belief in your God and the fact the your God is very real to you, there is no evidence that the Christian God exists in reality. In the absence of evidence to the contrary the only reasonable conclusion one can come to is that your God only exists within you. There evidence of God that you claim is all around us is not evidence of an all knowing God. It is not evidence of a loving God or a just God or a God who can heal all ailments. It is not evidence of a God who can save your soul or can see what you get up to in the bedroom. It is not evidence of a God who cares whether you cut your hair or whether you have a television set or what sex the person is that you sleep with. It is not evidence of a God who resurrects people from the dead or who raises men up to heaven. It not evidence of a God who calls on people to sell all and go forth 2x2 to preach. It is not evidence of a God who looks on the heart and knows the depth of it. It is not evidence of your God. If there truly is a greater mind which is responsible for the creation of life and the wonder of the universe there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this greater mind is the Christian God. A greater mind is not reduced to using an ass to communicate. A greater mind does not inspire an error ridden book filled with inconsistencies. A greater mind doesn’t make such a botched job of his creation that he has to drown practically all of them and start again. A greater mind does not advocate stoning non virgins. A greater mind does not instruct fallible men to spread word of it to all the world at a time when the only land transport available to them is the donkey. A greater mind who craves being worshiped doesn’t omit to provide any credible evidence of its existence. A greater mind doesn’t get angry with the flawed things he is responsible for creating. A greater mind who is responsible for the design of human beings doesn’t design them susceptible to things such as smallpox, cancer and fatal familial insomnia. Matt10 That's your opinion, but I know God exists! That is not just my opinion. Those are the facts. Facts which you (or indeed any other believer) are entitled to try to refute but which you (or indeed any other believer) have been unable to refute because, I would suggest, they are irrefutable. I do not dispute that you know that your God exists. I have never disputed the existence of your God. In fact I have gone to some lengths to explain that your God exists within you just as it is said that the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian God is an internal God which can only ever be experienced internally. Whether it’s your belief in God, or God speaking to you, or God calling you, or you feeling God’s presence near you, or you interpreting external events as the work of God, these are all internal experiences consistent with an internal God. I heard recently of a person in the 2x2s who had experienced a great struggle over going “in the work”. This person believed that they had heard the voice of God calling them to do forth and preach. However they saw it as a huge step to forsake their family, career, home and the prospects of marriage but they believed that this unwillingness to forsake all and follow Jesus was the work of the devil. What they did not understand was that this was merely an internal God speaking to them. This internal God is a man made creation, a product of intense 2x2 religious conditioning brought about by a 2x2 upbringing and years of subjection to 2x2 preaching; preaching that has taught them to believe in the biblical God, in the 2x2 interpretation of scripture and that the workers are God’s only true servants. It has taught them that things that are consistent with what the workers teach are of God and things that are contradictory are of Satan. The thoughts and feelings of this God which exists within them are so real as to cause them to suffer from the misconception that there is an external God involved who is calling them. But there isn’t. If only they understood the true nature of God and that God didn’t care whether they went in the work or not, their struggle would immediately cease and they could proceed with life unburdened. The only thing I dispute is that your God exists outside of you. If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it. But as yet I have not seen it despite many years on this board asking for it. Matt10
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 3, 2020 4:28:15 GMT -5
It's easy enough to tell when a Taupo eruption is going to happen. Loads of GNS scientists come to town. Then the price of real estate plummets. The first cars out of town are the real estate agents. Just keep an eye out for the above signs. I will do ....haha We'll be back at our holiday property there in a few weeks. Will keep an eye out! Nothing like a nature's Hangi using cabbage leaves and the steam!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2020 4:42:47 GMT -5
Maryhig, -Matt was very polite in his reply to you by saying; "While I fully accept your belief in your God and the fact the your God is very real to you...,"
Then he patiently explained to you in a in-depth statement his own belief.
Can't you answer him in the same polite manner instead of saying it is his "opinion?"
I am fairly sure that you don't think of your own belief as just an "opinion."
Not to butt in, but belief & non-belief are choices made in the absence of objective evidence. We all read the same story and form an opinion on whether its true or false.
There evidence of God that you claim is all around us is not evidence of an all knowing God. Creation is evidence of a Creator, and its the only credible explanation for all that exist. It is not evidence of a loving God or a just God or a God who can heal all ailments. That evidence came and left, we are now called by faith to accept it. It is not evidence of a God who resurrects people from the dead or who raises men up to heaven. It happened, the resurrection & ascension of Christ was witnessed... That's evidence. It not evidence of a God who calls on people to sell all and go forth 2x2 to preach. It was recorded in well preserved books written by those who forsook all and went forth in pairs as instructed.
A greater mind is not reduced to using an ass to communicate. Perhaps God was making a point, the ass was smarter than Balaam A greater mind does not inspire an error ridden book filled with inconsistencies. The books describe a very consistent God with a very clear & consistent message. A greater mind doesn’t make such a botched job of his creation that he has to drown practically all of them and start again. Creation wasn't botched, it was corrupted by sin. A greater mind does not instruct fallible men to spread word of it to all the world at a time when the only land transport available to them is the donkey. God did and it was done, that's credible. A greater mind doesn’t get angry with the flawed things he is responsible for creating. God created everything except sin, so His anger is set against our creation (sin emanates from us) A greater mind who is responsible for the design of human beings doesn’t design them susceptible to things such as smallpox, cancer and fatal familial insomnia. Matt10 We weren't originally designed poorly, we became susceptible by choice (Disobedience = "Surely thou shalt die").. Death & disease are now part of a corrupted world.
We're called by faith because God wants our trust and love, and only faith can demonstrate that. Proof of God would make it impossible to separate those who resent Him (the tares). "Without faith it is impossible to please him" (Hebrews 11:6)
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**"We weren't originally designed poorly,.."
That is not really true, Dan, -unless you believe that our bodies have not changed since they were created by "god."
You apparently do not think they have been changed since you seem to deny the science of the "evolution of life."
If we were "originally designed" so well then why do we have a "tail bone" that serves us no purpose and only give us problems?
Also how about the "appendix" for which also has no purpose at all & can become infected and kill us if not treated?
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2020 8:05:50 GMT -5
That's your opinion, but I know God exists! That is not just my opinion. Those are the facts. Facts which you (or indeed any other believer) are entitled to try to refute but which you (or indeed any other believer) have been unable to refute because, I would suggest, they are irrefutable. I do not dispute that you know that your God exists. I have never disputed the existence of your God. In fact I have gone to some lengths to explain that your God exists within you just as it is said that the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian God is an internal God which can only ever be experienced internally. Whether it’s your belief in God, or God speaking to you, or God calling you, or you feeling God’s presence near you, or you interpreting external events as the work of God, these are all internal experiences consistent with an internal God. I heard recently of a person in the 2x2s who had experienced a great struggle over going “in the work”. This person believed that they had heard the voice of God calling them to do forth and preach. However they saw it as a huge step to forsake their family, career, home and the prospects of marriage but they believed that this unwillingness to forsake all and follow Jesus was the work of the devil. What they did not understand was that this was merely an internal God speaking to them. This internal God is a man made creation, a product of intense 2x2 religious conditioning brought about by a 2x2 upbringing and years of subjection to 2x2 preaching; preaching that has taught them to believe in the biblical God, in the 2x2 interpretation of scripture and that the workers are God’s only true servants. It has taught them that things that are consistent with what the workers teach are of God and things that are contradictory are of Satan. The thoughts and feelings of this God which exists within them are so real as to cause them to suffer from the misconception that there is an external God involved who is calling them. But there isn’t. If only they understood the true nature of God and that God didn’t care whether they went in the work or not, their struggle would immediately cease and they could proceed with life unburdened. The only thing I dispute is that your God exists outside of you. If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it. But as yet I have not seen it despite many years on this board asking for it. Matt10 The thing is, my experiences aren't just internal but very much external. If I've had absolute proof in my life God exists then there is no way I'm not going to believe on him am I?
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 8:40:02 GMT -5
** You and the Muslims are welcome to believe that. However, I believe my God/Savior and creator of all things, Christ Jesus words when he said he that believes in me and my words shall have ETERNAL/Everlasting life and there is no burning in the flames for eternity. However, the unbelievers will get what they deserve by NOT believing in the ONLY God/Christ who died and Saved us sinners humans. You say ipsedixit and Muslims are welcome to believe that, then you turn and say they will get what they deserve for believing that. So obviously you are lying when you say they are welcome to believe it. You are a liar and a cheat.
You continuously contradict yourself. You really don't know how to talk to people unless they agree with you. YOU don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND of these things.
You're not as smart as you think you are. Let me clarify what I am saying, that is what God's calls Free WILL. Just like God gave Adam and Eve two choices in the Garden of Eden... If you eat the TREE of Life/accept Christ as their God then there is Eternal life for them and their children. However, if they choose to eat the Forbidden Fruit/that was to pick Serpent/Satan then they will face DEATH naturally and spiritually from God forever.
Through Adam and Eve disobedience, they brought sins/deaths into the world and upon all of their humans children on earth. The ONLY to get out of the Second Death/spiritual death is Christ has to come down from heaven and died for their sins and they MUST accept Him as their Redeemer and Savior.
The choice is up to them, God doesn't WANT to force His Love and choice on anyone just like you right now. Which choice do you want? Eternal Life that is to accept Jesus as your Savior and Redeemer or NOT to accept His gift of Eternal life then you will get Eternal Death sentence. You are welcome to pick your choice while you are alive, after death it's too late. 2000 years ago, Christ/God kept His promised in Genesis and came down from heaven and he lived in the body of Jesus the Son of man and God, he died on Calvary Cross for the sins of the humans race. Jesus redeemed and died the Second Death for us on Calvary's Cross so we can ENTER heaven and be with God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
Adam and Eve's children inherited the sinful nature from them, therefore we and them could NOT enter heaven after death. Jesus said "Ye MUST be BORN AGAIN! to Enter the kingdom of God." When we are born again, then Christ granted us His Spirit in us, God the Father and Holy Spirit come and DWELL will dwell there also, so we can enter heaven after death.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2020 12:39:11 GMT -5
That is not just my opinion. Those are the facts. Facts which you (or indeed any other believer) are entitled to try to refute but which you (or indeed any other believer) have been unable to refute because, I would suggest, they are irrefutable. I do not dispute that you know that your God exists. I have never disputed the existence of your God. In fact I have gone to some lengths to explain that your God exists within you just as it is said that the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian God is an internal God which can only ever be experienced internally. Whether it’s your belief in God, or God speaking to you, or God calling you, or you feeling God’s presence near you, or you interpreting external events as the work of God, these are all internal experiences consistent with an internal God. I heard recently of a person in the 2x2s who had experienced a great struggle over going “in the work”. This person believed that they had heard the voice of God calling them to do forth and preach. However they saw it as a huge step to forsake their family, career, home and the prospects of marriage but they believed that this unwillingness to forsake all and follow Jesus was the work of the devil. What they did not understand was that this was merely an internal God speaking to them. This internal God is a man made creation, a product of intense 2x2 religious conditioning brought about by a 2x2 upbringing and years of subjection to 2x2 preaching; preaching that has taught them to believe in the biblical God, in the 2x2 interpretation of scripture and that the workers are God’s only true servants. It has taught them that things that are consistent with what the workers teach are of God and things that are contradictory are of Satan. The thoughts and feelings of this God which exists within them are so real as to cause them to suffer from the misconception that there is an external God involved who is calling them. But there isn’t. If only they understood the true nature of God and that God didn’t care whether they went in the work or not, their struggle would immediately cease and they could proceed with life unburdened. The only thing I dispute is that your God exists outside of you. If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it. But as yet I have not seen it despite many years on this board asking for it. Matt10 The thing is, my experiences aren't just internal but I've had absolute proof in my life God exists then there is no way I'm not going to believe on him am I? If your experiences have not been just been "internal," -then you must have seen something with your actual eyes or heard something with your actual ears right?
Otherwise it IS "internal," just as Matt states.
How could any experience we have be otherwise?
If I am the only one that is seeing a tree and everyone around do NOT see that same tree, my "experience" has to be internal.
Matt has asked:
"If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 13:16:59 GMT -5
That is not just my opinion. Those are the facts. Facts which you (or indeed any other believer) are entitled to try to refute but which you (or indeed any other believer) have been unable to refute because, I would suggest, they are irrefutable. I do not dispute that you know that your God exists. I have never disputed the existence of your God. In fact I have gone to some lengths to explain that your God exists within you just as it is said that the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian God is an internal God which can only ever be experienced internally. Whether it’s your belief in God, or God speaking to you, or God calling you, or you feeling God’s presence near you, or you interpreting external events as the work of God, these are all internal experiences consistent with an internal God. I heard recently of a person in the 2x2s who had experienced a great struggle over going “in the work”. This person believed that they had heard the voice of God calling them to do forth and preach. However they saw it as a huge step to forsake their family, career, home and the prospects of marriage but they believed that this unwillingness to forsake all and follow Jesus was the work of the devil. What they did not understand was that this was merely an internal God speaking to them. This internal God is a man made creation, a product of intense 2x2 religious conditioning brought about by a 2x2 upbringing and years of subjection to 2x2 preaching; preaching that has taught them to believe in the biblical God, in the 2x2 interpretation of scripture and that the workers are God’s only true servants. It has taught them that things that are consistent with what the workers teach are of God and things that are contradictory are of Satan. The thoughts and feelings of this God which exists within them are so real as to cause them to suffer from the misconception that there is an external God involved who is calling them. But there isn’t. If only they understood the true nature of God and that God didn’t care whether they went in the work or not, their struggle would immediately cease and they could proceed with life unburdened. The only thing I dispute is that your God exists outside of you. If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it. But as yet I have not seen it despite many years on this board asking for it. Matt10 The thing is, my experiences aren't just internal but very much external. If I've had absolute proof in my life God exists then there is no way I'm not going to believe on him am I? In response to your question I don’t expect for a moment that you are not going to believe in your God. And (once again) I have never questioned your belief in your God nor have I ever suggested that your God doesn’t exist or that you don’t have absolute proof of Him. The only thing I am claiming is that your God is an internal God, a God who doesn’t exist outside of the bible and of the minds of those who believe in him. While you claim that your experiences aren't just internal, you have not shared any experiences here which provide evidence that your God is an external God. I therefore now invite you to share these experiences here so that people here may judge whether they amount to anything close to absolute proof that your God is something other than an internal God. Experiences which, I presume, will involve something other than thoughts and feelings and events which due to religious conditioning you have chosen to attribute to your God but which have an alternative, more plausible explanation. Matt10
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Post by matisse on Aug 3, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -5
There may be evidence of God all around us but it is not evidence of the Christian God. While I fully accept your belief in your God and the fact the your God is very real to you, there is no evidence that the Christian God exists in reality. In the absence of evidence to the contrary the only reasonable conclusion one can come to is that your God only exists within you. There evidence of God that you claim is all around us is not evidence of an all knowing God. It is not evidence of a loving God or a just God or a God who can heal all ailments. It is not evidence of a God who can save your soul or can see what you get up to in the bedroom. It is not evidence of a God who cares whether you cut your hair or whether you have a television set or what sex the person is that you sleep with. It is not evidence of a God who resurrects people from the dead or who raises men up to heaven. It not evidence of a God who calls on people to sell all and go forth 2x2 to preach. It is not evidence of a God who looks on the heart and knows the depth of it. It is not evidence of your God. If there truly is a greater mind which is responsible for the creation of life and the wonder of the universe there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this greater mind is the Christian God. A greater mind is not reduced to using an ass to communicate. A greater mind does not inspire an error ridden book filled with inconsistencies. A greater mind doesn’t make such a botched job of his creation that he has to drown practically all of them and start again. A greater mind does not advocate stoning non virgins. A greater mind does not instruct fallible men to spread word of it to all the world at a time when the only land transport available to them is the donkey. A greater mind who craves being worshiped doesn’t omit to provide any credible evidence of its existence. A greater mind doesn’t get angry with the flawed things he is responsible for creating. A greater mind who is responsible for the design of human beings doesn’t design them susceptible to things such as smallpox, cancer and fatal familial insomnia. Matt10 we should have a hilarious post of the week thread, this one would win hands down.... I'd like to nominate this post for the "Biggest Swing and Miss of the Week" Thread.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 3, 2020 14:06:13 GMT -5
we should have a hilarious post of the week thread, this one would win hands down.... I'd like to nominate this post for the "Biggest Swing and Miss of the Week" Thread. Three times and take a walk.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 14:22:40 GMT -5
TIME is SHORT and Satan KNOWS it so, he wants to kill millions with the deadly Viruses, cancer, diseases and with all kinds of illnesses. If that was true, it would make Trump an agent of Satan. One person is dying of Covid-19 every minute in the United States, and Trump's incompetency is a big part of the reason. If he was a good leader, and if he was making America great, he would lead the fight and rally the country behind him.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 14:34:19 GMT -5
The thing is, my experiences aren't just internal but very much external. If I've had absolute proof in my life God exists then there is no way I'm not going to believe on him am I? In response to your question I don’t expect for a moment that you are not going to believe in your God. And (once again) I have never questioned your belief in your God nor have I ever suggested that your God doesn’t exist or that you don’t have absolute proof of Him. The only thing I am claiming is that your God is an internal God, a God who doesn’t exist outside of the bible and of the minds of those who believe in him. While you claim that your experiences aren't just internal, you have not shared any experiences here which provide evidence that your God is an external God. I therefore now invite you to share these experiences here so that people here may judge whether they amount to anything close to absolute proof that your God is something other than an internal God. Experiences which, I presume, will involve something other than thoughts and feelings and events which due to religious conditioning you have chosen to attribute to your God but which have an alternative, more plausible explanation. Matt10 *** My God is Spirit but he can also appear in human body/ form. My God/Christ appeared in human form in the Garden of Eden and he talked and had fellowship them before the Fall. We read in Gesesis chaptersc17-19 Christ the LORD God appeared again in human body to inform Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their son Isaac. In the days of Daniel Christ/God appeared as the Son of man and stood beside Daniel's 3 friends in the fiery furnace. 2000 yrs ago Christ/God kept His promise and he came from heaven to lived and died to pay the ransom priced for our sins on Calvary's Cross. The God whom we serve Christ Jesus is NOT our imagination or comic character but God in human flesh and he has said he will come back again to establish His eternal kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs to put ALL of his enemies under His authority.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 14:43:52 GMT -5
However, the unbelievers will get what they deserve by NOT believing in the ONLY God/Christ who died and Saved us sinners humans. You would have made a great man of the inquisition if you had been born a few centuries earlier.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 14:59:56 GMT -5
If that was true, it would make Trump an agent of Satan. One person is dying of Covid-19 every minute in the United States, and Trump's incompetency is a big part of the reason. If he was a good leader, and if he was making America great, he would lead the fight and rally the country behind him. *** Most rulers on the planet are illuminati or the children of Satan and Eve= The seed of Cain in the Garden of Eden and his descendants through the centuries to ours days. Most of the Republicans and Democrats are illuminati cousins and relatives go way back to the kings and queens in England and they go back to the Pharaohs Egypt or further back and beyond. These earth rulers are enslaving us/humans like Pharaoh did to the Children of Israel. Time and events have NOT change at all is still the same today! Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush and so on are part of Evil Illuminati= 120 major illuminati clans/families who run the world and they are all in it together as RULERS of our planet. Don't let these Iluminati/Rulers fool you! Like I said this Covid-19 agenda is to DEPOPULATION! Satan and his evil illuminati children/Rulers KNOW their time is short because when Jesus RETURNS, he will DESTROY them all and put Satan in the Abyss for 1000 yrs.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 15:19:09 GMT -5
However, the unbelievers will get what they deserve by NOT believing in the ONLY God/Christ who died and Saved us sinners humans. You would have made a great man of the inquisition if you had been born a few centuries earlier. ** No, I will let God put them to death because He does a better job than me, I am too nice and softy of a person. You probably let all the witches live like King Saul did when God had commanded to put all of them to death. God took Saul's kingdom from him for his disobedience. You would be in BIG trouble if you had lived in the Old Test like when king Saul had taken side with the Witches and let them live.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 3, 2020 15:26:33 GMT -5
That's your opinion, but I know God exists! That is not just my opinion. Those are the facts. Facts which you (or indeed any other believer) are entitled to try to refute but which you (or indeed any other believer) have been unable to refute because, I would suggest, they are irrefutable. I do not dispute that you know that your God exists. I have never disputed the existence of your God. In fact I have gone to some lengths to explain that your God exists within you just as it is said that the kingdom of God is within you. The Christian God is an internal God which can only ever be experienced internally. Whether it’s your belief in God, or God speaking to you, or God calling you, or you feeling God’s presence near you, or you interpreting external events as the work of God, these are all internal experiences consistent with an internal God. I heard recently of a person in the 2x2s who had experienced a great struggle over going “in the work”. This person believed that they had heard the voice of God calling them to do forth and preach. However they saw it as a huge step to forsake their family, career, home and the prospects of marriage but they believed that this unwillingness to forsake all and follow Jesus was the work of the devil. What they did not understand was that this was merely an internal God speaking to them. This internal God is a man made creation, a product of intense 2x2 religious conditioning brought about by a 2x2 upbringing and years of subjection to 2x2 preaching; preaching that has taught them to believe in the biblical God, in the 2x2 interpretation of scripture and that the workers are God’s only true servants. It has taught them that things that are consistent with what the workers teach are of God and things that are contradictory are of Satan. The thoughts and feelings of this God which exists within them are so real as to cause them to suffer from the misconception that there is an external God involved who is calling them. But there isn’t. If only they understood the true nature of God and that God didn’t care whether they went in the work or not, their struggle would immediately cease and they could proceed with life unburdened. The only thing I dispute is that your God exists outside of you. If you have any evidence at all that the Christian God exists outside of the bible and the minds of those who believe in Him then I’d be curious to see it. But as yet I have not seen it despite many years on this board asking for it. Matt10 You are touching on why the historical style of Christian conviction has morphed from one of obedience to doctrine to one of a personal lord and savior -- the modern Christian movements. The traditional proofs of God's existence don't hold up so well in better educated societies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 15:42:26 GMT -5
You would have made a great man of the inquisition if you had been born a few centuries earlier. ** No, I will let God put them to death because He does a better job than me, I am too nice and softy of a person. You probably let all the witches live like King Saul did when God had commanded to put all of them to death. God took Saul's kingdom from him for his disobedience. You would be in BIG trouble if you had lived in the Old Test like when king Saul had taken side with the Witches and let them live. What’s nice and softy about saying on here “no I will let God put them to death, he does a better job than me putting them to death”. What’s nice and softy about saying previously On here “ workers should be hung”. I will give a short answer. ABSOLUTLY NOTHING indicating You are nice and softly person.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 15:49:28 GMT -5
Hey Curly, I want to sleep tonight. It's easy enough to tell when a Taupo eruption is going to happen. Loads of GNS scientists come to town. Then the price of real estate plummets. The first cars out of town are the real estate agents. Just keep an eye out for the above signs. Don't stay any longer than the GNS scientists. If they leave while you are sleeping you'll have a problem.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 15:52:50 GMT -5
You would have made a great man of the inquisition if you had been born a few centuries earlier. ** No, I will let God put them to death because He does a better job than me, I am too nice and softy of a person. You probably let all the witches live like King Saul did when God had commanded to put all of them to death. God took Saul's kingdom from him for his disobedience. You would be in BIG trouble if you had lived in the Old Test like when king Saul had taken side with the Witches and let them live. Would Jesus have put all the wiches to death?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 3, 2020 16:21:46 GMT -5
It's easy enough to tell when a Taupo eruption is going to happen. Loads of GNS scientists come to town. Then the price of real estate plummets. The first cars out of town are the real estate agents. Just keep an eye out for the above signs. Don't stay any longer than the GNS scientists. If they leave while you are sleeping you'll have a problem. When a super volcanoe erupts the problems are not just confined to the locality of the boom. Huge amounts of airborne ash circulating around the globe for a year or two wil drop temperatures significantly. Crops will fail, famine will occur even in the western world and people will die. This has occurred several times since gods were invented.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 17:14:52 GMT -5
** No, I will let God put them to death because He does a better job than me, I am too nice and softy of a person. You probably let all the witches live like King Saul did when God had commanded to put all of them to death. God took Saul's kingdom from him for his disobedience. You would be in BIG trouble if you had lived in the Old Test like when king Saul had taken side with the Witches and let them live. Would Jesus have put all the wiches to death? ** I don't know but it was God the Father's command in Saul's days. If God the Father commanded Jesus to do in his days I said he would obey it. Would you OBEY if God the Father commands for you to kill all witches today like he did in the days of king Saul? Yes or no.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 17:29:35 GMT -5
Would Jesus have put all the wiches to death? ** I don't know but it was God the Father's command in Saul's days. If God the Father commanded Jesus to do in his days I said he would obey it. Would you OBEY if God the Father commands for you to kill all witches today like he did in the days of king Saul? Yes or no. No.
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Post by fixit on Aug 3, 2020 17:30:39 GMT -5
Don't stay any longer than the GNS scientists. If they leave while you are sleeping you'll have a problem. When a super volcanoe erupts the problems are not just confined to the locality of the boom. Huge amounts of airborne ash circulating around the globe for a year or two wil drop temperatures significantly. Crops will fail, famine will occur even in the western world and people will die. This has occurred several times since gods were invented. If Taupo erupts, the real estate agents will be headed your way.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 17:31:27 GMT -5
** No, I will let God put them to death because He does a better job than me, I am too nice and softy of a person. You probably let all the witches live like King Saul did when God had commanded to put all of them to death. God took Saul's kingdom from him for his disobedience. You would be in BIG trouble if you had lived in the Old Test like when king Saul had taken side with the Witches and let them live. What’s nice and softy about saying on here “no I will let God put them to death, he does a better job than me putting them to death”. What’s nice and softy about saying previously On here “ workers should be hung”. I will give a short answer. ABSOLUTLY NOTHING indicating You are nice and softly person. *** When the 2x2 workers are teaching false doctrines and TURNED the friends from believing in God to become atheists and to join the false churches because of their teachings... In the judgment day they get more than than hanging! Just to THINK how many 2x2s have lost their Salvation the last 75 years and crowns of life because of the 2x2 workers preaching and teaching of Anti-Trinity and Anti-Jesus is NOT God doctrines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -5
What’s nice and softy about saying on here “no I will let God put them to death, he does a better job than me putting them to death”. What’s nice and softy about saying previously On here “ workers should be hung”. I will give a short answer. ABSOLUTLY NOTHING indicating You are nice and softly person. *** When the 2x2 workers are teaching false doctrines and TURNED the friends from believing in God to become atheists and to join the false churches because of their teachings... In the judgment day they get more than than hanging! Just to THINK how many 2x2s have lost their Salvation the last 75 years and crowns of life because of the 2x2 workers preaching and teaching of Anti-Trinity and Anti-Jesus is NOT God doctrines. That is a disgusting thing to say. You are deteriorating rapidly. There is no decent justification for you talking like this.
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Post by nathan on Aug 3, 2020 17:35:04 GMT -5
** I don't know but it was God the Father's command in Saul's days. If God the Father commanded Jesus to do in his days I said he would obey it. Would you OBEY if God the Father commands for you to kill all witches today like he did in the days of king Saul? Yes or no. No. ** If you were living during king Paul's days you would be dead just like him for disobeying His command.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:39:25 GMT -5
When a super volcanoe erupts the problems are not just confined to the locality of the boom. Huge amounts of airborne ash circulating around the globe for a year or two wil drop temperatures significantly. Crops will fail, famine will occur even in the western world and people will die. This has occurred several times since gods were invented. If Taupo erupts, the real estate agents will be headed your way. Couldn’t miss them, there’s so many of them in this town! I think it’s, Retire & be a R.E. Agent here!
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