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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 12, 2017 10:52:09 GMT -5
Nate: Would you agree with this sliding date? That Wm Irvine founded the 2x2s at the turn of the century?
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 12, 2017 12:26:33 GMT -5
Nate: Would you agree with this sliding date? That Wm Irvine founded the 2x2s at the turn of the century? *** what do you mean by sliding date? Do you believe there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship before William Irvine and the 2x2 workers? The sliding date of "turn of the century" includes a few years prior to 1900 and a few years after it RE: Do you believe there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship before William Irvine and the 2x2 workers? ***Of course not. I do believe Christianity began after Jesus came to earth...and that the new covenant began upon his death. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 12, 2017 16:13:00 GMT -5
*** That is WHY your TTT website is NOT Telling the WHOLE truth to your Readers. That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. My website, TTT, focuses on the truth about the approx. 120 yr old church started by Wm Irvine in Ireland from its beginning in 1897 til now. |
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Post by nathan on Sept 12, 2017 16:55:12 GMT -5
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. My website, TTT, focuses on the truth about the approx. 120 yr old church started by Wm Irvine in Ireland from its beginning in 1897 til now.
To the American Selective service in 1942We take this opportunity to state that during the closing years of people in British Isles and in America were exercised in heart and mind, through their study of the Scriptures, in regard to the methods of preaching and worship in the several churches of which they were members. They were deeply concerned about the spiritual things, and became fully convinced that there should be a Return! to the methods and purpose taught and carried out by Christ and His first disciples.This conviction led to frequent earnest conversations and studies on the subject, which in turn led to religious meetings, and in due times a number of these people went forth to devote their lives to the preaching of the gospel according to the teaching and example of Christ as given in the New Testament... i.e. "Two by Two" and without salary or making appeal for financial assistance, putting implicit trust in God and His promise that as they "sought first the kingdom of God" their natural needs of food and raiment's "would be added unto them." As a result of this step, many people expressed their desire to be in fellowship with such preachers and this led to regular gathering together of small assemblies in homes for worship and study of God's word. The reason for meeting in homes was primary because it is Scriptures, the Christians during the first centuries of the Christian were met regularly for worship in the homes, which fact is also borne out and supported by church history.Thus after serious consideration, the leaders were confident that in their efforts to follow the early Christians they should form church gatherings in homes; therefore NO church property or real estate has been acquired by purchased or otherwise, and for this reason incorporation and registration under denominational name has NOT been necessary.... George Walker Testimonies of workers through the years...~~~ "We believe the apostles have Existed since Jesus sent forth the 70 disciples Two and Two." Richard Sullivan. (USA worker) ~~~ "It's from the beginning, planned in God's mind before creation. Walter Nelson. 1976 (USA worker) ~~~ "Was William Irvine the first in the way?" "I think William was among the first... I feel that God has had a Way on the earth since before the foundation of the earth... I don't believe William Irvine is the beginner of it." Bea Mokini. 1985 ( A native Hawaiian worker). ~~~ In answer to your question, "Where did this religion actually begin?" Was it with Jesus as we have been told in Gospel Meetings, or by a man name William Irvine in 1897? We believe Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." I would like to give you some references that mean a lot to me as we carry the Gospel to people and point them to something that is from the beginning and not to something started by Man. ~~~ "I never met William Irvine at any time and believe he was used of God, but was Never the Origin of what we believe. I understand he became too big in himself and Left the fellowship we love. Workers I know and respect preach only what Jesus lived and taught with no mention at all of William Irvine, or any other man and give only real appreciation for those who retell in our days things taught in Jesus' day. This faith began in New Testament days, neither in Ireland, Scotland or in the U.K. Roddy M. (Scotland Worker) letter dated 6/1/1995. ~~~ "William Irvine Did Not start this Church, it is from beginning, and the Way was just made evidence to him, then." Karen Tenniswood. 1996 (USA) ~~~ "However, regardless of a written record being preserved, Truth is Truth. If nobody believes it and or ... if everybody believes it. Whether or not a thing is believed in has nothing to do with its correctness. To use parable illustration, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. That is an established fact of existence. Whether or not people believe the sun rises in the East and sets in the West...in no way changes that established fact of reality... Everybody could believe the sun rises in the West and sets in the East, but this would not make it true. For anyone to say that what the Bible teaches was started at some certain year since the first century is pitiful Ignorance, and closing the eyes to established facts and truths. The teachings of the New Testament were started in the first century when God's dear Son was here on the earth. That is those truths were established in a group of believers then. But that is NOT where it started.
What God gave through his son was planned before the world began. Matt. 15: 34-35; John 17:24; Acts 3: 20-21; Rom 16: 25-26; I Cor. 2:7; Eph 1:4-5; Titus 1: 2; I Peter 1:18-21. "These truths make very clear that what God the Father... Jesus Christ, the Son of God... and the Holy Spirit believe in, and what God's true ministers and Christians believed in, was planned in the heart and mind of God before the world began, and we Believe the same TODAY. So, it is 100% False for anyone to say that What we Believe was started in some recent year." Dan Hilton. Letter 11/21/89 ~~~ "We are NOT following some way Founded in the early 1900s, but it goes back to Christ. Jesus Himself set it up. Whether it was planted in the 1st Century, the 10th century or the 2Oth century, the message is the same, it produces the same thing." Tharold Sylvester 11/16/83 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are simply a Continuation of the Author of Truth." Harry Brownlee. 8/16/79 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are often asked who started this Church?" Heb. 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." Jesus gave us God's eternal plan of Salvation in its fullness. He is both the Author and Finisher. The Way is like a seed, like the wheat seed. It was Created at the beginning of the world. Dan H. 1/1/84 Burlington, WA. (USA) |
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Post by Grant on Sept 12, 2017 17:23:15 GMT -5
Of course all those things are true Nathan, but they are nothing to do with your church which was started 120 odd years ago. God's way has always been on the earth since Jesus day and people have always preached since Jesus day so no need for Irvine to start a new church, but if he wanted to then that's his choice but to say that the church Irvine started has always been there is not true. The proof that your church has not always been there is in the facts which can be read on TTT.
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Post by Gene on Sept 12, 2017 19:12:32 GMT -5
*** what do you mean by sliding date? Do you believe there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship before William Irvine and the 2x2 workers? The sliding date of "turn of the century" includes a few years prior to 1900 and a few years after it RE: Do you believe there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship before William Irvine and the 2x2 workers? ***Of course not. I do believe Christianity began after Jesus came to earth...and that the new covenant began upon his death. I like the idea of the "sliding date" -- which I interpret to mean as pertaining to an event that cannot be pinned to a date, hour and minute... but rather happened over a period of time; in this case, the origin of the Irvinite church happening during the period a few years before and after the turn of the century. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 12, 2017 21:16:13 GMT -5
Source: Preserving the Truth - Chapter 17When did the 2x2 Sect actually start? What event was the starting point?
Ten possible answers to the questions above are provided below for your consideration.
(Details are in the link below.)
(1) Was it the first two Revival missions at Nenagh and Rathmolyon, Ireland where more than 70 people were converted by Wm. Irvine? Then it was 1897. (2) Was it when Wm. Irvine left Faith Mission? Then it was either 1897, 1898, 1899 or 1901. (3) Was it after the Bicycle Trip to Scotland at the All-Day Meeting December 26 at Nenagh? Then it was 1899. (4) Was it when the first convention was held at Rathmolyon? Then it was 1899. (5) Was it when John Long began preaching independently on Faith Lines? Then it was 1899. (6) Was it when Eddie Cooney went out preaching on Faith Lines? Then it was 1901. (7) Was it when Todd’s Mission disbanded? Then it was 1901. (8) Was it when the first Sunday morning fellowship meetings and baptisms began? Then it was 1902. (9) Was it when Irvine held the consolidation convention at Rathmolyon? Then it was 1903. (10) Was it around the turn of the 20th century? Then it was from 1897 to 1903. Who started the 2x2 Ministry and Church? Who was the Founder?
Seven Possible Answers:(1) Was it started by “a number of people”…? (2) Was it John Long (1899) (3) Was it Robert Todd? (1897 - 1901) (4) Was it Edward Cooney? (1901) (5) Was it George Walker? (1899) (6) Was it Jack Carroll? (1897) (7) Was it William Irvine? (1897) LINK for supporting documents: www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/17wmibook.php
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Post by nathan on Sept 12, 2017 21:30:33 GMT -5
Of course all those things are true Nathan, but they are nothing to do with your church which was started 120 odd years ago. God's way has always been on the earth since Jesus day and people have always preached since Jesus day so no need for Irvine to start a new church, but if he wanted to then that's his choice but to say that the church Irvine started has always been there is not true. The proof that your church has not always been there is in the facts which can be read on TTT.
TTT website does NOT including or mention any group which have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry history through the centuries! Cherie K. just started with William Irvine founded a new sect in 1897 and she doesn't get the starting date correct off the bat.
When Cherie K. started the TTT website! in the beginning somewhere around middle of 1990s? .... William Irvine is the founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... Now, she is NOT so sure 100% about the 1897 founding date of the 2x2, because there was NO 2x2 worker or the friend exists in 1897... So, now she includes and comes up with all kinds of possibilities starting/founding dates... 
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 12, 2017 21:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by Grant on Sept 12, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -5
Of course all those things are true Nathan, but they are nothing to do with your church which was started 120 odd years ago. God's way has always been on the earth since Jesus day and people have always preached since Jesus day so no need for Irvine to start a new church, but if he wanted to then that's his choice but to say that the church Irvine started has always been there is not true. The proof that your church has not always been there is in the facts which can be read on TTT.
TTT website is NOT including or mention any group which have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry history through the centuries! Cherie K. just started with William Irvine founded a new sect in 1897 and she doesn't get the starting date correct off the bat.
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Post by nathan on Sept 12, 2017 21:50:15 GMT -5
I have posting historical documents for over 25 years on TMB that there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship in EVERY generation... and William Irvine, the early workers and the friends are the 21st century apostles and followers of Jesus.
TTT website is NOT including or mention any group which have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry history through the centuries! Cherie K. just started with William Irvine founded a new sect in 1897 and she doesn't get the starting date correct off the bat.
The Gospel according to Nathan, not according to the Bible. 
The Bible is a closed book after the book of Revelation was written around 95 A.D. The RCC Pope, and Cardinals in the 4th century would NOT allow any more apostles writings, history or events to be included or added to the Bible..... I have many historical documents of Jesus 2x2 apostolic apostles and believers belief, teachings, doctrines HAVE BEEN PRESERVED through the centuries are shown on Page 1 of this thread! the readers to read it for themselves.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 12, 2017 23:15:21 GMT -5
Of course all those things are true Nathan, but they are nothing to do with your church which was started 120 odd years ago. God's way has always been on the earth since Jesus day and people have always preached since Jesus day so no need for Irvine to start a new church, but if he wanted to then that's his choice but to say that the church Irvine started has always been there is not true. The proof that your church has not always been there is in the facts which can be read on TTT.
TTT website does NOT including or mention any group which have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry history through the centuries! Cherie K. just started with William Irvine founded a new sect in 1897 and she doesn't get the starting date correct off the bat.
When Cherie K. started the TTT website! in the beginning somewhere around middle of 1990s? .... William Irvine is the founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... Now, she is NOT so sure 100% about the 1897 founding date of the 2x2, because there was NO 2x2 worker or the friend exists in 1897... So, now she includes and comes up with all kinds of possibilities starting/founding dates...
, I wouldn't be making a too big of a deal about it ! Considering the amount of things YOU have stated that are not correct, even on this thread ! |
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Post by nathan on Sept 12, 2017 23:27:49 GMT -5
I have posting historical documents for over 25 years on TMB that there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship in EVERY generation... and William Irvine, the early workers and the friends are the 21st century apostles and followers of Jesus.
TTT website does NOT including or mention any group which have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry history through the centuries! Cherie K. just started with William Irvine founded a new sect in 1897 and she doesn't get the starting date correct off the bat.
When Cherie K. started the TTT website! in the beginning somewhere around middle of 1990s? .... William Irvine is the founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... Now, she is NOT so sure 100% about the 1897 founding date of the 2x2, because there was NO 2x2 worker or the friend exists in 1897... So, now she includes and comes up with all kinds of possibilities starting/founding dates...
, I wouldn't be making a too big of a deal about it ! Considering the amount of things YOU have stated that are not correct, even on this thread !
Did you miss my questions?
Can you answer my question and please don't beat around the bush with your evading answers... Do you still believe the above names such as Dora Holland, 40 and 30 converts, Jack and May Carroll were 2x2 friends in 1896-7... Rose T.?
Yes, they were William Irvine's converts from the Faith Mission, missions... They were Faith Mission preachers converts missions... HOW in the world can you and Cherie K. say they were 2x2 converts in 1897? when there were NO 2x2 friend or workers in 1897?
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 12, 2017 23:35:56 GMT -5
nathan , I wouldn't be making a too big of a deal about it ! Considering the amount of things YOU have stated that are not correct, even on this thread !
Did you miss my questions?
Can you answer my question and please don't beat around the bush with your evading answers... Do you still believe the above names such as Dora Holland, 40 and 30 converts, Jack and May Carroll were 2x2 friends in 1896-7... Rose T.?
Yes, they were William Irvine's converts from the Faith Mission, missions... They were Faith Mission preachers converts missions... HOW in the world can you and Cherie K. say they were 2x2 converts in 1897? when there were NO 2x2 friend or workers in 1897?
I have been reading John Longs Journal, also information about Faith Mission "workers list". Yes May Carroll's name is on the Faith Mission list for 2-3 years but Dora Holland's name isn't. As CherieKropp has said above maybe a sliding date is better than saying 1897, but that does not take away from the fact that WI had missions and people convert in 1897. As it has been said many times WI was still in the FM when he started his own way. What difference does it make to your website if it was 1897 or 1899 ? |
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Post by nathan on Sept 12, 2017 23:59:18 GMT -5
Did you miss my questions?
Can you answer my question and please don't beat around the bush with your evading answers... Do you still believe the above names such as Dora Holland, 40 and 30 converts, Jack and May Carroll were 2x2 friends in 1896-7... Rose T.?
Yes, they were William Irvine's converts from the Faith Mission, missions... They were Faith Mission preachers converts missions... HOW in the world can you and Cherie K. say they were 2x2 converts in 1897? when there were NO 2x2 friend or workers in 1897?
I have been reading John Longs Journal, also information about Faith Mission "workers list". Yes May Carroll's name is on the Faith Mission list for 2-3 years but Dora Holland's name isn't. As CherieKropp has said above maybe a sliding date is better than saying 1897, but that does not take away from the fact that WI had missions and people convert in 1897. As it has been said many times WI was still in the FM when he started his own way. What difference does it make to your website if it was 1897 or 1899 ?
Sliding date.. hmmmmm.... So, 1897 starting date for Willliam Irvine founding 2x2 sect is NOT Correct date now?...
It is NOT my website I am worry about... But Cherie TTT website has stated for over 25 years starting date for 2x2 church is 1897. Cherie claims to be 2x2s church historian and researcher so she better getting thing correctly.
I am just a nobody.... an ex-worker and a friend of the 2x2 sect....
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 0:03:16 GMT -5
nathan I have been reading John Longs Journal, also information about Faith Mission "workers list". Yes May Carroll's name is on the Faith Mission list for 2-3 years but Dora Holland's name isn't. As CherieKropp has said above maybe a sliding date is better than saying 1897, but that does not take away from the fact that WI had missions and people convert in 1897. As it has been said many times WI was still in the FM when he started his own way. What difference does it make to your website if it was 1897 or 1899 ?
Sliding date.. hmmmmm.... So, 1897 starting date for Willliam Irvine founding 2x2 sect is NOT Correct date now?...
It is NOT my website I am worry about... But Cherie TTT website has stated for over 25 years starting date for 2x2 church is 1897. Cherie claims to be 2x2s church historian and researcher so she better getting thing correctly.
I am a nobody.... an ex-worker and a friend of the 2x2 sect....
Its a bit like you stating that John Hardie wasn't there from the beginning isn't it  I thought you were doing a website to prove that the 2x2 Church went back to Jesus ? |
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Post by nathan on Sept 13, 2017 0:08:13 GMT -5
So, which year did Dora Holland become a 2x2 friend and a worker? It wasn't in 1896....
Sliding date.. hmmmmm.... So, 1897 starting date for Willliam Irvine founding 2x2 sect is NOT Correct date now?...
It is NOT my website I am worry about... But Cherie TTT website has stated for over 25 years starting date for 2x2 church is 1897. Cherie claims to be 2x2s church historian and researcher so she better getting thing correctly.
I am a nobody.... an ex-worker and a friend of the 2x2 sect....
Its a bit like you stating that John Hardie wasn't there from the beginning isn't it I thought you were doing a website to prove that the 2x2 Church went back to Jesus ?
Try to answer the questions I asked of you, please.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 0:11:14 GMT -5
Its a bit like you stating that John Hardie wasn't there from the beginning isn't it I thought you were doing a website to prove that the 2x2 Church went back to Jesus ?
Try to answer the questions I asked of you, please.
I believe I have answered you ! " 1896: DORATHY (Dora/Dot) HOLLAND attended Irvine's mission in Kilrush and may have been present at a Magic Lantern service. She was born in January 1,1876, in Annival, Co. Galway, Ireland and died August 1, 1968. It is generally accepted that Dora was Irvine's FIRST convert to profess. However, the year in which she professed differs according to the narrative; e.g. 1895, 1896 or 1897. Dora wrote: "I...was a governess and lived with a lady in Kilrush, Co. Clare, a Mrs. Wm. Peacocke. It was while I was there that two preachers came along and held meetings in the town. I attended the services. They were held by a Mr. Wm. Irvine from Scotland, and his companion. It was at that time that I made the choice I would yield my life fully to God’s control. I decided then that I would give my life to gospel work sometime, but continued teaching for a few years...I can say that after being over seventeen years in touch with the work...that I have always found that everything in connection with it is in keeping with the highest conceptions of morality..." (letter to Dear Brother, Aug. 11, 1913). (1896)" www.tellingthetruth.info/home/ |
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Post by nathan on Sept 13, 2017 0:22:16 GMT -5
You want people to answer your broken records question over and over... but when I asked you some simple questions in return, you go round and round the world and come back stating more broken record questions...
Try to answer the questions I asked of you, please.
I believe I have answered you ! " 1896: DORATHY (Dora/Dot) HOLLAND attended Irvine's mission in Kilrush and may have been present at a Magic Lantern service. She was born in January 1,1876, in Annival, Co. Galway, Ireland and died August 1, 1968. It is generally accepted that Dora was Irvine's FIRST convert to profess. However, the year in which she professed differs according to the narrative; e.g. 1895, 1896 or 1897. Dora wrote: "I...was a governess and lived with a lady in Kilrush, Co. Clare, a Mrs. Wm. Peacocke. It was while I was there that two preachers came along and held meetings in the town. I attended the services. They were held by a Mr. Wm. Irvine from Scotland, and his companion. It was at that time that I made the choice I would yield my life fully to God’s control. I decided then that I would give my life to gospel work sometime, but continued teaching for a few years... I can say that after being over seventeen years in touch with the work...that I have always found that everything in connection with it is in keeping with the highest conceptions of morality..." (letter to Dear Brother, Aug. 11, 1913). (1896)" www.tellingthetruth.info/home/
You and Cherie K. believe Dora Holland was a 2x2 friend in 1896 and that is FALSE. Do you understand and see how incorrect that belief is, now?
William Irvine was a Faith Mission preacher in 1896-8 so he could NOT be the Founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... There were no 2x2 friend or worker in 1896-98.
Do you understand that?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 13, 2017 0:35:26 GMT -5
Nathan, do you understand the concept of double dipping. Working for more than one employer or clipping the ticket twice.
This is what Irvine was doing whilst he was in the employ of FM.
Most people would regard that as a devious practice.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 0:39:04 GMT -5
nathan I believe I have answered you ! " 1896: DORATHY (Dora/Dot) HOLLAND attended Irvine's mission in Kilrush and may have been present at a Magic Lantern service. She was born in January 1,1876, in Annival, Co. Galway, Ireland and died August 1, 1968. It is generally accepted that Dora was Irvine's FIRST convert to profess. However, the year in which she professed differs according to the narrative; e.g. 1895, 1896 or 1897. Dora wrote: "I...was a governess and lived with a lady in Kilrush, Co. Clare, a Mrs. Wm. Peacocke. It was while I was there that two preachers came along and held meetings in the town. I attended the services. They were held by a Mr. Wm. Irvine from Scotland, and his companion. It was at that time that I made the choice I would yield my life fully to God’s control. I decided then that I would give my life to gospel work sometime, but continued teaching for a few years... I can say that after being over seventeen years in touch with the work...that I have always found that everything in connection with it is in keeping with the highest conceptions of morality..." (letter to Dear Brother, Aug. 11, 1913). (1896)" www.tellingthetruth.info/home/
You and Cherie K. believe Dora Holland was a 2x2 friend in 1896 and that is FALSE. Do you understand and see how incorrect that belief is, now?
William Irvine was a Faith Mission preacher in 1896-8 so he could NOT be the Founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... There were no 2x2 friend or worker in 1896-98.
Do you understand that?
So are you saying that this letter by Dora Holland is wrong nathan ? Go and read all the letters on Telling The Truth website nathan, of course the people who wrote the letters about THEIR lives couldn't be right could they ! |
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Post by nathan on Sept 13, 2017 0:56:10 GMT -5
You believe Dora Holland was the first convert of William Irvine and a 2x2 friend in 1896. That is INCORRECT as I pointed out to you .... Dora Holland professed in William Irvine and his Faith Mission companion for the Faith Mission group mission, so she wasn't a 2x2 friend in 1896.
You and Cherie K. believe Dora Holland was a 2x2 friend in 1896 and that is FALSE. Do you understand and see how incorrect that belief is, now?
William Irvine was a Faith Mission preacher in 1896-8 so he could NOT be the Founder of the 2x2 church in 1897.... There were no 2x2 friend or worker in 1896-98.
Do you understand that?
So are you saying that this letter by Dora Holland is wrong nathan ? Go and read all the letters on Telling The Truth website nathan , of course the people who wrote the letters about THEIR lives couldn't be right could they !
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 0:59:11 GMT -5
So are you saying that this letter by Dora Holland is wrong nathan ? Go and read all the letters on Telling The Truth website nathan , of course the people who wrote the letters about THEIR lives couldn't be right could they ! Yet her name isn't on the FM list. |
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Post by nathan on Sept 13, 2017 1:04:05 GMT -5
I highlight words in RED and you still don't see something WRONG with Dora Holland's letter.... She did NOT write she was a 2x2 friend in 1896! It was You and Cherie believed she was a 2x2 friend, and 70 people including Jack and May Carroll.... When they WERE NOT 2x2 professing friends! but Faith Mission converts NOT 2x2 friends. Yet her name isn't on the FM list.
So, you and Cherie K. believed Dora Holland was a 2x2 is false information... 70 people professed in those meetings, including Jack and his sister May Carroll were NOT 2x2 in 1897 either.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 13, 2017 1:15:41 GMT -5
Yet her name isn't on the FM list.
So, you and Cherie K. believed Dora Holland was a 2x2 is false information... 70 people professed in those meetings, including Jack and his sister May Carroll were NOT 2x2 in 1897 either.
go and read all the other letters on TTT ! I am sure there would have been a cross over between converts who were FM and those who followed WI. |
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Post by nathan on Sept 13, 2017 1:20:46 GMT -5
Well, Dora Holland might not have joined the Faith Mission, but it was William Irvine, a Faith Mission preacher and his companion she professed through in 1896. Let me repeat it again, Dora Holland was NOT a 2x2 in 1896.... There were no 2x2 worker in 1896-8. Do you understand that?
So, you and Cherie K. believed Dora Holland was a 2x2 is false information... 70 people professed in those meetings, including Jack and his sister May Carroll were NOT 2x2 in 1897 either.
go and read all the other letters on TTT ! I am sure there would have been a cross over between converts who were FM and those who followed WI.
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Post by Grant on Sept 13, 2017 1:32:18 GMT -5
William Irvine was on the Faith Mission role until late 1900 or so but he had been forming his own band of followers for his a few years before. Why do you think the Faith Mission dismissed him, Nathan?
No one has said that Irvine was out on his own in 1896. The date of his first Mission in which he started to form his own following away from the Faith Mission was 1897. 70 converts I think I read. Did 70 names all suddenly appear on the Faith Mission list or was this the start of Irvine's own following?
Nathan, there have been groups like the waldensians but they were nothing to do with Irvine. You're slogging a dead horse there. Do the Faith Mission or Waldensians claim an apostolic line like you give them. No, they acknowledge they were started by a man. The Faith Mission worked side by side with churches not in opposition to them. We see the Waldensians have joined with other protestant churches. They don't claim to be the right one nor do they claim the apostolic line but acknowledge being started by a man.
Dora and the Carrolls became followers of William Irvine when they were converted by him. The Carrolls only joined the Faith Mission prayer union. It appears that they did not become Faith Mission workers but became workers under Irvine.
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Post by Gene on Sept 13, 2017 4:41:08 GMT -5
Yet her name isn't on the FM list.
So, you and Cherie K. believed Dora Holland was a 2x2 is false information... 70 people professed in those meetings, including Jack and his sister May Carroll were NOT 2x2 in 1897 either.
Nathan, I see your point. Were there workers in 1899? |
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I thought you were doing a website to prove that the 2x2 Church went back to Jesus ?