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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2006 0:45:24 GMT -5
I used to volunteer at a shelter for abused women. To me, dealing with the truthers is identical, Until they get to the last straw, they don't want to walk away, and they defend the relationship even when it is terribly abusive. But when they see the light and finally make that break THE JOY is amazing!
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Post by ilylo on Jun 18, 2006 0:49:53 GMT -5
Lloyd & others who disbelieve the worker's teachings. If you don't like the worker's teachings then why are everyone of still clinging on to these chatrooms, message boards, websites? Answer that question? You are seeking for something from the workers & I wonder what it is that keeps you drawn to these people? Maybe it is your obsession or something. The workers are your idols? If you were really finished with the friends & workers why would you waste your time in here posting messages to people who remain within the meetings? For those who believe the worker's teachings. If you like the worker's teachings then why are everyone of still clinging on to these chatrooms, message boards, websites? Answer that question? You are seeking for something from the exes & I wonder what it is that keeps you drawn to these people? Maybe it is your obsession or something. The exes are your idols? If you were really finished with the exes why would you waste your time in here posting messages to people who no longer remain within the meetings?
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Post by Same Question on Jun 18, 2006 2:01:47 GMT -5
For those who believe the worker's teachings. If you like the worker's teachings then why are everyone of still clinging on to these chatrooms, message boards, websites? Answer that question? You are seeking for something from the exes & I wonder what it is that keeps you drawn to these people? Maybe it is your obsession or something. The exes are your idols? If you were really finished with the exes why would you waste your time in here posting messages to people who no longer remain within the meetings? One might ask you the same question from the other side. If you are out and happy why have you posted nearly 2000 times on the Truth Message Board? Besides didn't you say you were leaving this board because it wasn't administered to your liking? What is it that keeps drawing you back to these people? If you are really finished with these people why are you wasting your time posting here? You seem to ask a lot of questions, even demand answers, but are not all that forthcoming when questioned.
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Post by hes on Jun 18, 2006 18:01:18 GMT -5
For those who believe the worker's teachings. If you like the worker's teachings then why are everyone of still clinging on to these chatrooms, message boards, websites? Answer that question? You are seeking for something from the exes & I wonder what it is that keeps you drawn to these people? Maybe it is your obsession or something. The exes are your idols? If you were really finished with the exes why would you waste your time in here posting messages to people who no longer remain within the meetings? One might ask you the same question from the other side. If you are out and happy why have you posted nearly 2000 times on the Truth Message Board? Besides didn't you say you were leaving this board because it wasn't administered to your liking? What is it that keeps drawing you back to these people? If you are really finished with these people why are you wasting your time posting here? You seem to ask a lot of questions, even demand answers, but are not all that forthcoming when questioned. hes what you would call a hypocite ;D
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Post by ilylo on Jun 18, 2006 18:07:53 GMT -5
One might ask you the same question from the other side. Read reply #98 and start paying more attention.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 18, 2006 18:28:00 GMT -5
hes what you would call a hypocite ;D
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Post by Hope For All on Jun 19, 2006 12:45:42 GMT -5
HFA, May I ask simply and without an ulterior agenda, why do you stay? If you freely state that the fellowship (in general) is not orthodox in its view of God, what would be a sufficient reason to remain a part of the group? Rob, That is a very good question-thanks for asking. I will try and answer as truthfully as possible. 1. I see a people (the F&W) who have something wonderful in their lives. Happy people who take what Jesus taught very seriously. Even though many do not seem to know or even care that Jesus was THE LORD of the OT, they still try and follow what he taught. That is important. 2. I still enjoy the meetings. I am encouraged and corrected there. I feel God's presence there. 3. I see doctrines and practices in other churches that are also wrong. I say this with all due respect- but I have yet to see the perfect church anywhere- including the F&W. As I said in another post- the F&W fellowship is right for me at this time. Love, HFA
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 13:06:53 GMT -5
3. I see doctrines and practices in other churches that are also wrong. I say this with all due respect- but I have yet to see the perfect church anywhere- including the F&W. With all due respect in return, the "perfect church" doesn't exist. 2x2s seem to think that exes are searching for one.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:37:03 GMT -5
3. I see doctrines and practices in other churches that are also wrong. I say this with all due respect- but I have yet to see the perfect church anywhere- including the F&W. With all due respect in return, the "perfect church" doesn't exist. 2x2s seem to think that exes are searching for one. With that big eye my guess is that you are.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 13:42:25 GMT -5
...and with that silly comment, teenager concedes the point.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:43:13 GMT -5
...and with that silly comment, teenager concedes the point. With taking the bait... you concede the point.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 13:46:58 GMT -5
...and with that silly comment, teenager concedes the point. With taking the bait... you concede the point. Teenager, you aren't gaining any ground here. Nobody lends credibility to childish games such as yours. Back to the topic...the "perfect church" doesn't exist. Exes are not seeking one, contrary to 2x2 belief.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 13:52:54 GMT -5
With taking the bait... you concede the point. Teenager, you aren't gaining any ground here. Nobody lends credibility to childish games such as yours. Back to the topic...the "perfect church" doesn't exist. Exes are not seeking one, contrary to 2x2 belief. Some could say Im more entitled to play "childish games" than yourself And one ex speaks for all.. I don't buy into that one.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 14:00:39 GMT -5
I never suggested that I speak for all. Those are your words.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 19, 2006 14:07:23 GMT -5
I never suggested that I speak for all. Those are your words. The use of the word 'exes' is inclusive, and includes all those no longer part of the fellowship.
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 14:13:45 GMT -5
I never suggested that I speak for all. Those are your words. The use of the word 'exes' is inclusive, and includes all those no longer part of the fellowship. the word was used in the CONTEXT of this thread on this board.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 14:15:14 GMT -5
I'll stick to the topic and see if you can comprehend it:
Exes are not seeking a "perfect church."
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Post by Hope For All on Jun 19, 2006 14:25:45 GMT -5
3. I see doctrines and practices in other churches that are also wrong. I say this with all due respect- but I have yet to see the perfect church anywhere- including the F&W. With all due respect in return, the "perfect church" doesn't exist. 2x2s seem to think that exes are searching for one. I was not suggesting anything regarding what ex'es may or may not think and to be honest- that is really not my concern. Love, HFA
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Post by PITY on Jun 19, 2006 18:33:10 GMT -5
I'll stick to the topic and see if you can comprehend it: Exes are not seeking a "perfect church." Pity because that is the one Jesus is seeking to have
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 18:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by Rob O on Jun 19, 2006 19:19:00 GMT -5
Hi HFA,
Thanks for replying. It helps me to understand and better appreciate where you are coming from.
The only thing I have further questions on is in relation to this:
I too see doctrines and practuces in other churches that are also wrong. But I would never attend a church that denied the deity of Christ (and the Holy Spirit), nor one that considered itself the whole set (or best part) of Christianity.
I guess that's something I am still a little unsure of with respect to where you are. Of course, you don't owe me or anyone an explanation. I'm just wanting to get to know you a bit better. I was surprised to read recently that you still attend meetings and are an elder! I was under the wrong assumption that you had not been a part of the F&W for some time.
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Post by Hope For All on Jun 20, 2006 11:14:21 GMT -5
Hi Rob,
I was an elder for a number of years but am not one today. (There is nothing to read into that).
I take it as a compliment whenever someone on this board responds to my posts not knowing one way or the other if I still attend meetings. That may sound strange, but if this happens then hopefully people see me as un-biased.
As you know, I am not afraid to speak out against things that I believe are not true- whether posted by one of the F&W or not.
I am very concerned about some of the doctrine and practices in the F&W fellowship. In particular the anti-Trinitarian teaching. Those on this board who say that the workers teach that Jesus is God confuse me. In my experience (as in yours) this is not the case and in fact the opposite is true. Workers have even been put out of the work for teaching this.
You have chose to leave the F&W fellowship because of these concerns and I respect that. My question to you (and I am saying this in all sincerity)-have you found a living church that upholds all of the teachings of Christ?
I guess for me the reason I am satisfied with the F&W fellowship at this time is that I see it doing wonderful things for people who embrace it. There is a stability there that is pretty hard to find in the world today. I am not saying this is ONLY in the F&W fellowship- but I am saying that it is definitely there.
Love, HFA
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Post by Rob O on Jun 20, 2006 20:34:08 GMT -5
Hi HFA,
Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I'm just trying to get to know you a bit more, not trying to pigeon-hole you.
Without trying to "weasel" I guess it depends what you mean by upholding all the teachings of Christ? I am not looking for a perfect group because it doesn't exist. Church groups are composed of redeemed (and unredeemed) sinners and every group will have problems and failures with respect to the perfect counsel of Jesus and God. I know I am not perfect so it would be hypocritical of me to expect more from others.
What is important to me is that a church group I attend should point to the true God, should preach a pure gospel, should respect and cherish the scriptures and should not consider itself the purest or best representation of Christianity. The majority of its members should be loving, inclusive and non-judgemental. I have found many church groups that fit this description.
Another thing that is important to me but less so than what I've described above, is that I want to belong to a church group that is outward-looking. By that I mean it should be mission-minded, it should reach out to provide material assistance to the needy in its own congregation and in the wider community, and it should care for those who have no voice of their own.
In Him,
Rob.
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Post by Hope For All on Jun 21, 2006 13:47:37 GMT -5
Rob, Got-it. And I cannot disagree with what you are saying. It's always refreshing to be able to have a discussion about our beliefs with-out any "undertones" of "us against them". If you know what I mean. Love, HFA
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Post by rotten apples on Jun 21, 2006 19:25:26 GMT -5
I agree with teenager. God's Way is perfect but God's People (those who belong to the 2x2 church) are often far from perfect. It should not be assumend that just because some of the professing people...or even some of the workers, (who are rotten apples), means that the 2x2 system is not God's true church.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 21, 2006 19:29:08 GMT -5
Every worker and friend could be the freshest apple in the barrel, and 2x2ism, by itself, would still not be "God's true church."
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Post by dear Rob on Jun 21, 2006 19:33:23 GMT -5
Rob, the 2x2 church does reach out to the public. This is why invitations are printed in newspapers, & why the workers go from door to door and giving out invitation cards to gospel meetings. Also church members who feel that co-workers or friends & relatives my have honest hearts...personally invite these hopefulls to sit under the sound of the gospel message.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 21, 2006 20:49:35 GMT -5
HFA, Yes, I know what you mean. I hope that it is apparent that I accept many F&Ws as "in Him". And I do not reject the way the F&Ws do things in principle. What I reject is what I would call 2x2ism. ---------------------------------- Rob, the 2x2 church does reach out to the public. This is why invitations are printed in newspapers, & why the workers go from door to door and giving out invitation cards to gospel meetings. Also church members who feel that co-workers or friends & relatives my have honest hearts...personally invite these hopefulls to sit under the sound of the gospel message. Hello "dear Rob", Assuming for a second this constitutes sufficient "outreach" by a group, that in and of itself would not be enough for me to belong to a particular church group.
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