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Post by Chad on Jun 15, 2006 19:44:57 GMT -5
My question to all of you? Are The Worker's really preaching wrong? I believe they are trying to follow Jesus as close to the pattern He set up in Judea. Jesus did send them out 2&2 You might say it was only a short mission, I tend to disagree with that statement. They were going out by faith & traveling the countryside for a long while. Eventually they not only were converting Jews, but were allowed to convert Gentiles. God works through man, with His Spirit to lead others to Christ. How else does one find or hear about salvation? God can speak to people if they will only listen? But today most people are not listening to the message. I believe the workers are doing a fine outstanding job in their fields gathering up the harvest & watching people bare fruit. While other worldly preachers are getting rich & claiming to have mansions on earth. The workers are staying busy laying up treasures in Heaven. Why build mansions, store ton's of food, money, gold, silver, build huge barns, & huge church buildings? What for if you were to lose your soul this very day? Your treasure is in Heaven, do not lay up treasures upon this earth, where thieves break in & steal. It will all precious & only you will be accountable for what you have stored up spiritually inside your own heart. This scripture in Luke Ch. 12 makes me have a desire to get to convention & become spiritually fed. If we do not listen to God's word, we are left all alone & empty inside our hearts. Please post your comments & add anything uplifting to my short sermon I have shared here today. Peace & God's love to all brethern. Chad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2006 19:47:11 GMT -5
Do you mean the form that they use, or the actual teaching that comes from them?
Karl
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Post by swan on Jun 15, 2006 19:48:58 GMT -5
The apostles went to the gentiles when they were suppose to go Chad
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Post by Chad on Jun 15, 2006 19:51:33 GMT -5
The biblical foundation & pattern the workers follow is evident in their example & lives. Many workers cry tears when they speak, because God's Holy Spirit is delaing with them so strongly. How could this be so wrong? They have given up everything for the Gospel to be preached. Some people make up lies that the workers are rich. I do not believe they are by any means. Some are entrusted to account certain funds for airline fares at times. But I have never witnessed a rich worker as of yet. Chad
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Post by swan on Jun 15, 2006 19:52:50 GMT -5
The biblical foundation & pattern the workers follow is evident in their example & lives. Many workers cry tears when they speak, because God's Holy Spirit is delaing with them so strongly. How could this be so wrong? They have given up everything for the Gospel to be preached. Some people make up lies that the workers are rich. I do not believe they are by any means. Some are entrusted to account certain funds for airline fares at times. But I have never witnessed a rich worker as of yet. Chad Thats balognia chad it's a old line it won't work
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Post by Chad on Jun 15, 2006 19:54:03 GMT -5
Lloyd, How far are you from Vancouver, Canada? I am coming up there in July 2006 Chad
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Post by Chad on Jun 15, 2006 19:55:50 GMT -5
Lloyd, Please don't blow a fuse in here! You have read my book. If I am lying to you, why would I even bother sending you my book & your pictures back soon or later. Chad
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Post by sjg on Jun 15, 2006 19:59:04 GMT -5
When you teach that Jesus is NOT God....that is false teaching. That makes the foundation WRONG.
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Post by only way on Jun 15, 2006 20:07:02 GMT -5
It is not wrong to preach but it is wrong to say that they are the only true preachers. People wre preaching long before the workers were around.
Why is it wrong to build church buildings for worship but not worng to spend the 1000,s on convention gounds or even houses.
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Post by NO on Jun 15, 2006 20:32:58 GMT -5
It is not wrong to preach but it is wrong to say that they are the only true preachers. People wre preaching long before the workers were around. Why is it wrong to build church buildings for worship but not worng to spend the 1000,s on convention gounds or even houses. NO IT'S NOT WERE THEY BECAUSE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 20:33:43 GMT -5
Nathan,
If a worker teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a worker teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
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Post by YEA IS IT on Jun 15, 2006 20:34:47 GMT -5
When you teach that Jesus is NOT God....that is false teaching. That makes the foundation WRONG. It is a false teaching when the workers preach Jesus is the Son of Man and the Son of God? Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of our souls?
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Post by NO on Jun 15, 2006 20:36:37 GMT -5
Nathan, If a worker teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a worker teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching? NO,NO,NO,NO
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Post by lacpastorunplugged on Jun 15, 2006 20:48:16 GMT -5
My question to all of you? Are The Worker's really preaching wrong? I believe they are trying to follow Jesus as close to the pattern He set up in Judea. Jesus did send them out 2&2 You might say it was only a short mission, I tend to disagree with that statement. They were going out by faith & traveling the countryside for a long while. Eventually they not only were converting Jews, but were allowed to convert Gentiles. God works through man, with His Spirit to lead others to Christ. How else does one find or hear about salvation? God can speak to people if they will only listen? But today most people are not listening to the message. I believe the workers are doing a fine outstanding job in their fields gathering up the harvest & watching people bare fruit. While other worldly preachers are getting rich & claiming to have mansions on earth. The workers are staying busy laying up treasures in Heaven. Why build mansions, store ton's of food, money, gold, silver, build huge barns, & huge church buildings? What for if you were to lose your soul this very day? Your treasure is in Heaven, do not lay up treasures upon this earth, where thieves break in & steal. It will all precious & only you will be accountable for what you have stored up spiritually inside your own heart. This scripture in Luke Ch. 12 makes me have a desire to get to convention & become spiritually fed. If we do not listen to God's word, we are left all alone & empty inside our hearts. Please post your comments & add anything uplifting to my short sermon I have shared here today. Peace & God's love to all brethern. Chad If they teach that living like Jesus gains us heaven, salvation or merit, they teach wrongly. If they teach that Jesus is not fully God, they teach wrongly. If they teach that only those of their way are saved, they teach wrongly. Karl
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 20:56:19 GMT -5
Nathan,
That's off the topic.
If a worker teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a worker teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 21:02:01 GMT -5
OK, that's what you believe, fine.
Now could you answer the two questions please?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 15, 2006 21:46:30 GMT -5
Rob O... Let us get down to the most important question! Which understanding will SAVE us? Will the heavenly Father grants "SALVATION" to me and those who just believe and confess Jesus Christ, the Son of God and the Son of Man as our Savior? « Last Edit: Today at 9:57pm by Nathan9 » I think the workerism would be "What do you mean by ' just[/] believe and confess'? You know even devils believe and you know many give lip service and you know Jesus said not every one that calls Lord, Lord...". So, maybe yes and maybe no.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 15, 2006 21:51:06 GMT -5
That is not off the topic but it is an important question! to remember. It is knowing and believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior SAVES me. Is this the testimony of all in every church that worships God and accepts Jesus as his only begotten son? I think so. Nathan, your spiritual family is quickly and vastly increasing.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 21:51:24 GMT -5
There is no difference. However, the question I asked and which still hasn't been answered is:
If a worker teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching?
I did not ask if you know of any worker who teaches or believes that the Holy Spirit is not God.
The question I asked and which has not been answered is:
If a worker teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
Let me put this in another context and make this very simple for you:
If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 21:59:03 GMT -5
So we're getting closer here.
Let me put this in another context and make this very simple for you:
If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 22:05:16 GMT -5
Whether or not there are any that do, is irrelevant.
If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that Jesus is not God the Son, is that false teaching? If a pastor, in say a baptist church, teaches that the Holy Spirit is not part of the Godhead, and that He is just "the power of God", is that false teaching?
If that is not false teaching, what in your opinion is the definition of "false teaching"?
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Post by selah on Jun 15, 2006 22:09:29 GMT -5
Jesus is not God ----- false or true teaching?
Holy Spirit is not God --- false or true teaching?
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Post by ilylo on Jun 15, 2006 22:09:59 GMT -5
Rob,
You should by now have caught on that nathan is completely unable to answer the question that was asked of him, as it was asked. He cannot do so. His usual method is to change a few words and send a new question back to you. He is skilled at deflecting attention away from the question that he himself cannot answer.
I think you are aware of nathan's disability in this regard, and I'm sure your motives are pure... but honestly... you'll never get him to answer the question.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 22:16:36 GMT -5
Okay Nathan.
I agree that those are examples of false teaching. But what exactly is "false teaching"? What is the definition of it?
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Post by studylearning notlogged on Jun 15, 2006 22:22:39 GMT -5
Two month ago the workers said to me---
"Surely you cannot believe that someone could have salvation in other churches?" and
"We do not teach God Incarnate"
Is this correct teaching?
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Post by selah on Jun 15, 2006 22:33:13 GMT -5
I know....this is not my battle .... so I'll just say this: It seems you are trying to say that one can be saved whether or not they understand that Jesus is God. That belief, for or against, is not relevant to this discussion. The question is not about how believing/not believing this affects one's salvation. Simplifying even more, let's just use one "teaching". Jesus is not God. Is this a true statement or a false statement? Jesus is not God. If I teach this to someone, am I teaching a true statement or a false statement? If I teach a false statement, is it a false teaching? Blessings, Linda P.S. I don't want to think you would make a game out of serious questions, Nathan. Sometimes it seems that way though. It seems like you have fun finding as many ways as possible to evade answering the answer you know we're looking for. Why does it seem that way? Are you actually doing that? If you are, I don't understand why you would. Help me understand what's going on, Nate...my questions are genuine. I am not trying to "trap" you. I am trying to get a clear response, and I can't figure out why it is so difficult. Blessings, Linda
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Post by studylearning unlogged on Jun 15, 2006 22:45:30 GMT -5
Two month ago the workers said to me--- "Surely you cannot believe that someone could have salvation in other churches?" and "We do not teach God Incarnate"Is this correct teaching?You twist this over and over. Let me ask you this-- Is Jesus 1/3 God or fully God?You once said on another thread Jesus is 100% God. So why are you twisting your answer to conform to something else. The incarnation as explained in "ALL BIBLE DICTIONARIES" is that Jesus is fully GOD and Fully Man. Jesus from the prophecies in Isiah was described as "GOD will come in the FLESH" They is why the Pharisees wanted to stone him when Jesus told them He was GOD the SON. The Jews knew without question what Jesus was saying. So Do you. So don't twist things around. You know very well that teaching Jesus, God Incarnate is correct. My understanding: I don't believe in God the Father incarnation but I believe the God the Son/Yahweh God incarnation in the person of Jesus Christ=Emmanuel (God with us).
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Post by studylearning unlogged on Jun 15, 2006 22:51:36 GMT -5
My understanding: I don't believe in God the Father incarnation but I believe the God the Son/Yahweh God incarnation in the person of Jesus Christ=Emmanuel (God with us). Don't know why the other post got goofed up. Try again You twist this over and over. Let me ask you this--
Is Jesus 1/3 God or fully God?
You once said on another thread Jesus is 100% God. So why are you twisting your answer to conform to something else.
The incarnation as explained in "ALL BIBLE DICTIONARIES" is that Jesus is fully GOD and Fully Man. Jesus from the prophecies in Isiah was described as "GOD will come in the FLESH" They is why the Pharisees wanted to stone him when Jesus told them He was GOD the SON. The Jews knew without question what Jesus was saying. So Do you. So don't twist things around. You know very well that teaching Jesus, God Incarnate is correct.
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