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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2021 22:24:31 GMT -5
Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
Dan, I can't accept your explanation. I don't believe that is what you really thought we meant!
It is too much like you have treated other people about their motives. Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work for you.
While you disparaged HER with all kinds of derogatory selfish motives meanwhile defying those guide lines yourself putting many people in danger of the virus.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 22:58:56 GMT -5
Two different scenarios. If you were the cop with responsibility to defend the speakers lobby and the lawmakers behind him, would you try handcuffing the first person who violently broke through the locked door? Really? EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that... What do you think about the 140 police officers injured by Trump-radicalised crazies? This was a rabble breaking through locked doors into a secure area, with murderous intent. The policeman would have been dead if he tried to stop hundreds of violent insurrectionists with handcuffs. Where do you think he would get all the handcuffs from?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2021 23:17:27 GMT -5
Dan, I don't believe you! I don't believe that is what you really thought about us!
You have done this in the past! From the very beginning of your posting on here you assigned reasons as to why people acted as they did which seemed entirely unfair !
Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work!
Well, you seem pretty radical against Trump supporters, so it wasn't much of a stretch to presume you might have felt a little thrilled about one of them getting wasted. You seem to believe it was a justifiable killing and support the guy who murdered her, so why wouldn't you be happy about it?
Its not a criticism, just my observation. I'm no different, I'm just on the opposite side of the spectrum and wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning. So yes, I really thought that you kinda enjoyed seeing that girl get what you thought she deserved.. Sorry if my perception was off base.
Dan, I don't believe you! I don't believe that is what you really thought about us!
You have done this in the past! From the very beginning of your posting on here you assigned reasons as to why people acted as they did which seemed entirely unfair !
Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work!
Well, you seem pretty radical against Trump supporters, so it wasn't much of a stretch to presume you might have felt a little thrilled about one of them getting wasted.
You seem to believe it was a justifiable killing and support the guy who murdered her, so why wouldn't you be happy about it? Its not a criticism, just my observation.
I'm no different, I'm just on the opposite side of the spectrum and wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning.
o yes, I really thought that you kinda enjoyed seeing that girl get what you thought she deserved.. Sorry if my perception was off base.
You just confirmed what I said; -that you are always assigning derogatory reasons to people.
As is your usual, Dan, -you make an accusation that I am being "radical" because I was appalled at a mob storming & breaking into the very seat of government of of our nation & yelling Hang Pence, -the vice president of our nation and "kill Nancy!"
Here is to show YOU how if someone were to react your statements as you do other people.
Your statement: Your statement "wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning."
Their reply: "So, Dan, you are a fascist like Hitler and Mussolini!
See how that works?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2021 23:22:39 GMT -5
Two different scenarios. If you were the cop with responsibility to defend the speakers lobby and the lawmakers behind him, would you try handcuffing the first person who violently broke through the locked door? Really? EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that... Would he have had time to kneel on her neck for nine minutes after handcuffing her?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2021 23:35:31 GMT -5
Two different scenarios. If you were the cop with responsibility to defend the speakers lobby and the lawmakers behind him, would you try handcuffing the first person who violently broke through the locked door? Really? EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that... NO! NOT AT ALL EXACTLY!
When are ever going to understand that was an INVASION, -this was a storming & breaking in and entering by a mob of people into the very seat of the U.S. government!
If had been a group of black people you would NOT being sayin the same thing!
Had they been Black people, -YOU, wally, YOU would probably have wanted them mowed with machine guns!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 23:43:28 GMT -5
EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that... What do you think about the 140 police officers injured by Trump-radicalised crazies? This was a rabble breaking through locked doors into a secure area, with murderous intent. The policeman would have been dead if he tried to stop hundreds of violent insurrectionists with handcuffs. Where do you think he would get all the handcuffs from? he wasn't alone. as you have stated 140 police officers were injured that means there were many more there. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGh5_wlS8Uw2:38 minutes long video of babbit being shot, not for the faint of heart... as you can see he was not alone for most of it and the rioters were NOT flooding past him into the building and she didn't even make it all the way through the window. why the 3 or 4 officers moved to the side is unclear but she was then shot seconds later and seconds later police reinforcements arrived. i speculate, but why they moved off may have been they heard or seen the other cops coming up the stairs and wanted to re-group or like i said another time they let them in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 23:45:40 GMT -5
EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that...
Had they been Black people, -YOU, wally, YOU would probably have wanted them mowed with machine guns! this is why libtards should never own firearms....
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2021 1:34:10 GMT -5
Well, you seem pretty radical against Trump supporters, so it wasn't much of a stretch to presume you might have felt a little thrilled about one of them getting wasted.
You seem to believe it was a justifiable killing and support the guy who murdered her, so why wouldn't you be happy about it? Its not a criticism, just my observation.
I'm no different, I'm just on the opposite side of the spectrum and wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning.
o yes, I really thought that you kinda enjoyed seeing that girl get what you thought she deserved.. Sorry if my perception was off base.
You just confirmed what I said; -that you are always assigning derogatory reasons to people.
As is your usual, Dan, -you make an accusation that I am being "radical" because I was appalled at a mob storming & breaking into the very seat of government of of our nation & yelling Hang Pence, -the vice president of our nation and "kill Nancy!"
Here is to show YOU how if someone were to react your statements as you do other people.
Your statement: Your statement "wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning."
Their reply: "So, Dan, you are a fascist like Hitler and Mussolini!
See how that works?
I don't think its radical for a person to be appalled over the capital incident, but I do consider it radical for someone to be okay with the shooting of an unarmed defenseless woman, simply due to political differences. I suspect that if the victim were a liberal democrat, you'd be outraged.
My dislike of antifa wouldn't make me a fascist, so I wouldn't take a comment asserting "fascist" to heart. Attaching a negative label on someone is straight out of the liberal handbook, its a tactic they resort to when they have nothing left in their toolbox.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 11:29:44 GMT -5
You just confirmed what I said; -that you are always assigning derogatory reasons to people.
As is your usual, Dan, -you make an accusation that I am being "radical" because I was appalled at a mob storming & breaking into the very seat of government of of our nation & yelling Hang Pence, -the vice president of our nation and "kill Nancy!"
Here is to show YOU how if someone were to react your statements as you do other people.
Your statement: Your statement "wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning."
Their reply: "So, Dan, you are a fascist like Hitler and Mussolini!
See how that works?
I don't think its radical for a person to be appalled over the capital incident, but I do consider it radical for someone to be okay with the shooting of an unarmed defenseless woman, simply due to political differences. I suspect that if the victim were a liberal democrat, you'd be outraged.
My dislike of antifa wouldn't make me a fascist, so I wouldn't take a comment asserting "fascist" to heart. Attaching a negative label on someone is straight out of the liberal handbook, its a tactic they resort to when they have nothing left in their toolbox.
ain't that the truth...well said...
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Post by fixit on Apr 21, 2021 18:36:35 GMT -5
As is your usual, Dan, -you make an accusation that I am being "radical" because I was appalled at a mob storming & breaking into the very seat of government of of our nation & yelling Hang Pence, -the vice president of our nation and "kill Nancy!"
I hate what our current government is doing to our country but it's important that the citizens of a democracy respect the rule of law and the democratic process. Shouldn't the vast majority of Americans be appalled at the violent January 6th attack on the seat of government? America has done so much to spread democracy around the world. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. ~Abraham Lincoln
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Post by fixit on Apr 21, 2021 18:43:46 GMT -5
I don't think its radical for a person to be appalled over the capital incident, but I do consider it radical for someone to be okay with the shooting of an unarmed defenseless woman, simply due to political differences. I suspect that if the victim were a liberal democrat, you'd be outraged. Like someone posted, unarmed cheerleaders wouldn't lead an army into a battle. Ashli Babbitt was leading a trump-radicalised angry violent mob that was baying for blood and threatening the lawmakers that the armed Capitol police were there to defend. Ashli's bad choices put her in the wrong place at the wrong time and she paid the price for that.
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2021 20:02:41 GMT -5
Like someone posted, unarmed cheerleaders wouldn't lead an army into a battle. Ashli Babbitt was leading a trump-radicalised angry violent mob that was baying for blood and threatening the lawmakers that the armed Capitol police were there to defend. Ashli's bad choices put her in the wrong place at the wrong time and she paid the price for that.
The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
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Post by fixit on Apr 21, 2021 21:14:18 GMT -5
Like someone posted, unarmed cheerleaders wouldn't lead an army into a battle. Ashli Babbitt was leading a trump-radicalised angry violent mob that was baying for blood and threatening the lawmakers that the armed Capitol police were there to defend. Ashli's bad choices put her in the wrong place at the wrong time and she paid the price for that. The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
Floyd was a totally diffent scenario. Babbitt chose to lead a trump-radicalised mob of several hundred violent attackers who were baying for blood. I'm sorry that she was killed and am not saying she deserved to die, but she did put herself into a very dangerous situation. Why do you think the lawmakers had already been evacuated? No Criminal Charges for Officer Who Shot Capitol Rioter Ashli Babbitt
The Wall Street Journal reported in February that investigators had made an initial determination that the officer, a lieutenant whom officials haven’t publicly identified, was acting as a last line of defense between rioters and members of Congress and shouldn’t be charged with any crimes.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2021 22:39:56 GMT -5
Like someone posted, unarmed cheerleaders wouldn't lead an army into a battle. Ashli Babbitt was leading a trump-radicalised angry violent mob that was baying for blood and threatening the lawmakers that the armed Capitol police were there to defend. Ashli's bad choices put her in the wrong place at the wrong time and she paid the price for that. The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to deserve to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 21, 2021 22:45:30 GMT -5
The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices. The lesson to be learnt from her death is not to get hoodwinked by con artists like Donald Trump. She was the author of her own misfortune because she did not think through what was being said by the Trumpists. Applying some common sense and logic by her and she would still be alive today. It is also ludicrous to suggest that she be handcuffed. I do not doubt that she had been warned to desist what she was doing. There was grave danger to the lawmakers who the police were charged with offending. Arresting her in such a situation was not an option. However if she and others had listened to the officers lawful requests then she would have backed off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:19:22 GMT -5
The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to deserve to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices. don't lie bob. i've never blamed anyone for someone elses bad choices that sounds more like you and your pals and the race cards you like to play. i've repeatedly said life is about choices and consequences be careful how you choose...good try though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:23:05 GMT -5
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices. The lesson to be learnt from her death is not to get hoodwinked by con artists like Donald Trump. She was the author of her own misfortune because she did not think through what was being said by the Trumpists. Applying some common sense and logic by her and she would still be alive today. It is also ludicrous to suggest that she be handcuffed. I do not doubt that she had been warned to desist what she was doing. There was grave danger to the lawmakers who the police were charged with offending. Arresting her in such a situation was not an option. However if she and others had listened to the officers lawful requests then she would have backed off. you should watch the video of her death i posted before you make such stupid claims....its upthread about 2:38 minutes long...
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2021 23:30:35 GMT -5
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to deserve to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices. don't lie bob. i've never blamed anyone for someone elses bad choices that sounds more like you and your pals and the race cards you like to play. i've repeatedly said life is about choices and consequences be careful how you choose...good try though Sure you have. Every time it's mentioned that someone was shot by a police officer, for no matter what reason, your answer is always "if they'd just done what they were told ..." or some other thing. Absent any consideration for officer inappropriate response, you actually do put the blame on the victim. You have your own words for every stupid thing you tolerate -- that doesn't change what any of it means when it's reworded.
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Post by fixit on Apr 21, 2021 23:35:51 GMT -5
The lesson to be learnt from her death is not to get hoodwinked by con artists like Donald Trump. She was the author of her own misfortune because she did not think through what was being said by the Trumpists. Applying some common sense and logic by her and she would still be alive today. It is also ludicrous to suggest that she be handcuffed. I do not doubt that she had been warned to desist what she was doing. There was grave danger to the lawmakers who the police were charged with offending. Arresting her in such a situation was not an option. However if she and others had listened to the officers lawful requests then she would have backed off. you should watch the video of her death i posted before you make such stupid claims....its upthread about 2:38 minutes long... The officer with the gun warned her to back off, and she defied him. Yet you think he could holster his gun then handcuff an angry defiant woman while her buddies came streaming through? You're not thinking this through sensibly, and I suspect it’s because you and Dan are brainwashed by far-right propaganda.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:39:44 GMT -5
don't lie bob. i've never blamed anyone for someone elses bad choices that sounds more like you and your pals and the race cards you like to play. i've repeatedly said life is about choices and consequences be careful how you choose...good try though Sure you have. Every time it's mentioned that someone was shot by a police officer, for no matter what reason, your answer is always "if they'd just done what they were told ..." or some other thing. Absent any consideration for officer inappropriate response, you actually do put the blame on the victim. You have your own words for every stupid thing you tolerate -- that doesn't change what any of it means when it's reworded. you got screw loose. blaming a "victim" for their bad choices is NOT blaming someone else for it...
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2021 23:40:06 GMT -5
The bottom line for me was that all the lawmakers had been evacuated, Babbit was unarmed and of no real threat. The price she should have paid was being arrested, not killed. Saying she deserved to have her brains blown out is tantamount to saying that George Floyd's bad choices put him in the wrong place at the wrong time and he paid the price for that.
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to deserve to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices.
If everyone deserved to be killed for making a wrong decision, we'd all be dead. The reason any civilized country has law & order is to protect and prevent people from being killed just for making a poor choice.
Unfortunately, the policeman in DC responsible for protecting & preserving the life of a civilian, instead became the judge, jury, and executioner. I still maintain that the girl didn't deserve to die, the punishment didn't fit the crime. And as previously mention, a little pepper spray would have likely been enough to force Babbit to reverse course and crawl back out of the window. Saying it was her bad luck for being in the wrong place at the wrong time just doesn't justify a bullet to the head. She probably would have withdrawn if the cop just fired a warning shot.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2021 23:41:02 GMT -5
you should watch the video of her death i posted before you make such stupid claims....its upthread about 2:38 minutes long... The officer with the gun warned her to back off, and she defied him. Yet you think he could holster his gun then handcuff an angry defiant woman while her buddies came streaming through? You're not thinking this through sensibly, and I suspect it’s because you and Dan are brainwashed by far-right propaganda. True
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2021 23:44:01 GMT -5
Dan, don't be silly. You don't have to deserve to get your brains blown out to make it happen. You don't have to deserve to get killed for innocently walking out in front of passing car. What makes you think anyone here thought she deserved what she got? Ashli was as deserving of what happened to her as you would be to be sneaking around some dark gang infested back alley on south side Chicago at night. You sound like Wally blaming someone for her bad choices. If everyone deserved to be killed for making a wrong decision, we'd all be dead. The reason any civilized country has law & order is to protect and prevent people from being killed just for making a poor choice.
Unfortunately, the policeman in DC responsible for protecting & preserving the life of a civilian, instead became the judge, jury, and executioner. I still maintain that the girl didn't deserve to die, the punishment didn't fit the crime. And as previously mention, a little pepper spray would have likely been enough to force Babbit to reverse course and crawl back out of the window. Saying it was her bad luck for being in the wrong place at the wrong time just doesn't justify a bullet to the head. She probably would have withdrawn if the cop just fired a warning shot.
You're still on the "deserved it" streak. Do you read anything anyone else writes? Who do you think it is that said the girl deserved it? It happened, logically and legally, she didn't deserve it, it's just what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:46:20 GMT -5
you should watch the video of her death i posted before you make such stupid claims....its upthread about 2:38 minutes long... The officer with the gun warned her to back off, and she defied him. Yet you think he could holster his gun then handcuff an angry defiant woman while her buddies came streaming through? You're not thinking this through sensibly, and I suspect it’s because you and Dan are brainwashed by far-right propaganda. you didn't watch the video did ya. there was NO warning that i could hear from that officer. and as the video shows NO ONE was streaming through. sensible and brainwashed indeed...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 21, 2021 23:46:44 GMT -5
The lesson to be learnt from her death is not to get hoodwinked by con artists like Donald Trump. She was the author of her own misfortune because she did not think through what was being said by the Trumpists. Applying some common sense and logic by her and she would still be alive today. It is also ludicrous to suggest that she be handcuffed. I do not doubt that she had been warned to desist what she was doing. There was grave danger to the lawmakers who the police were charged with offending. Arresting her in such a situation was not an option. However if she and others had listened to the officers lawful requests then she would have backed off. you should watch the video of her death i posted before you make such stupid claims....its upthread about 2:38 minutes long... The only stupid part is where she thought the officer was kidding.....hello.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2021 23:47:52 GMT -5
The officer with the gun warned her to back off, and she defied him. Yet you think he could holster his gun then handcuff an angry defiant woman while her buddies came streaming through? You're not thinking this through sensibly, and I suspect it’s because you and Dan are brainwashed by far-right propaganda. you didn't watch the video did ya. there was NO warning that i could hear from that officer. and as the video shows NO ONE was streaming through. sensible indeed... And the farmer hauled another load away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 23:50:49 GMT -5
you didn't watch the video did ya. there was NO warning that i could hear from that officer. and as the video shows NO ONE was streaming through. sensible indeed... And the farmer hauled another load away. after bob and fixit started yammering....
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2021 23:54:09 GMT -5
If everyone deserved to be killed for making a wrong decision, we'd all be dead. The reason any civilized country has law & order is to protect and prevent people from being killed just for making a poor choice.
Unfortunately, the policeman in DC responsible for protecting & preserving the life of a civilian, instead became the judge, jury, and executioner. I still maintain that the girl didn't deserve to die, the punishment didn't fit the crime. And as previously mention, a little pepper spray would have likely been enough to force Babbit to reverse course and crawl back out of the window. Saying it was her bad luck for being in the wrong place at the wrong time just doesn't justify a bullet to the head. She probably would have withdrawn if the cop just fired a warning shot.
You're still on the "deserved it" streak. Do you read anything anyone else writes? Who do you think it is that said the girl deserved it? It happened, logically and legally, she didn't deserve it, it's just what it is.
If you agree that Babbit didn't deserve it, do you support the officer who wasn't charged for killing an unarmed civilian? I simply have trouble blowing it off as "it's just what it is"... It was a cold blooded murder by a cop who was in no danger from an unarmed lady.
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