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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2021 23:59:14 GMT -5
I'll be patient with your tribal prejudices If a white cop killed a black woman for crawling through a window, I suspect your opinion would be radically different. That depends on MANY factors if you are OUTSIDE the building: (1) Was the window open anyway. No need to shoot. (2) Did she break the window? No need to shoot. (3) Were there others helping her through the window? No need to shoot. (4) Was there a no trespassing sign? No need to shoot. (5) Do you know that the owners of the building are not home? No need to shoot. (6) Did she run away? No need to shoot. (7) Was she armed? No need to shoot. (8) Did she make it through the window anyway? No need to shoot. (9) Did she threaten you with a non-firearm? No need to shoot. (10) Did she verbally threaten you? No need to shoot. (10) Did she threaten you with a firearm? You’ll have to justify that. (11) Did others with her threaten you with a firearm? She’s an accomplice, you’ll need to justify it. Same for black cop killing a white woman. However, a defenseless white woman leading a small army of weapon carrying window smashing, intentionally defiant, screaming insurrectionist minded illegal militaries already threatening, destroying barriers, and invading and disrupting legitimate government business does not a defenseless white maiden excuse. Don’t be so laughably stupid. She’s unfortunate collateral damage. Keep your daughter home from such events. The US does not send a pretty little cheer leader to lead the US troops into battle. Gallant of you. Mr. Chauvin feels the same right about now. You’re an insulting scamp. No one on here is celebrating the killing of the “defenseless woman” in this forum. Unless YOU are celebrating the four deaths caused by those who broke into the Capitol, and the 140 injured and maimed cops in government service. They’re the ones who prevented the intended hanging of the nation’s Vice President at the hands of that defenseless woman’s “defenders”. Sucks to have only 2 such options, doesn’t it?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 20, 2021 0:03:55 GMT -5
We The People Decide. When angry mobs turn into well supported organized groups, then change can come about. That's the whole idea behind groups like ANTIFA, BLM, OATHKEEPERS, etc. ANTIFA and BLM didn't participate in the Jan. 6 attack. The Oathkeepers and allies swore to that in court.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2021 0:40:39 GMT -5
Got it. So the second amendment was about the people having the right to bear adequate arms against their opponent - even their own government. Then it would logically follow that you and every other Tom, Dick, and Harry should have the right to build or buy hydrogen bombs for your own use. Yea, if an army of Chinese and Russians Special forces were to cross over the U.S. borders. How in the world are you going to stop the armies of men fully loaded with all kinds of hi-tech weapons, are you and the people defend them with knives, chopsticks, and ropes?
I have been thinking about this post for several days and have come to the conclusion it has to be one of the dumbest posts ever by Nathan. Firstly, why the hell would the Russians or the Chinese invade mainland USA? Secondly, you do have an army, lots of army. They are well equiped. Do you think that they are not up to the job? Better sharpen your chopsticks Nathan.
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Post by Dan on Apr 20, 2021 1:09:03 GMT -5
No one on here is celebrating the killing of the “defenseless woman” in this forum.
Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 20, 2021 1:33:02 GMT -5
No one on here is celebrating the killing of the “defenseless woman” in this forum. Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
You're gravely mistaken. I didn't even feel it was necessary that she be killed. Judging from your cronie, Wally, a bullet to the head is what she'd have gotten if she'd have done the same thing at Wally's house -- he's always talking about what he'd do to some unwanted person trying to get into his house, be he/she white or black. I'll give you this, though. I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2021 1:43:33 GMT -5
Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
You're gravely mistaken. I didn't even feel it was necessary that she be killed. Judging from your cronie, Wally, a bullet to the head is what she'd have gotten if she'd have done the same thing at Wally's house -- he's always talking about what he'd do to some unwanted person trying to get into his house, be he/she white or black. I'll give you this, though. I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed. Insufferably stupid. What a beautiful term indeed. What were they thinking?.....oh wait.......
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 4:39:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed. Or was she more brainwashed and radicalised than stupid? Ironically, QAnon (that played such a big part in her life) claimed her death was faked... Woman killed in Capitol was Trump supporter who embraced conspiracy theoriesThe day before the rally, she tweeted, "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!” The Storm is a reference to a QAnon fantasy in which Trump will supposedly punish Democrats and Hollywood elite for their supposed misdeeds. On forums and platforms like Parler, where followers fled after being banned on Twitter and Facebook, QAnon followers claimed Babbitt’s death was faked and had been engineered as a “false flag” by the so-called Deep State.
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Post by Gene on Apr 20, 2021 5:27:42 GMT -5
So every US citizen should be armed with hydrogen bombs, because the armed forces can't be trusted to keep the nation secure? nukes are our 1st line of defense regular military our 2nd line defense militia our 3rd line of defense armed women and children our last line of defense NO ONE is advocating for nukes in the hands of civilians that is a strawman Um... Nathan just did. Keep up. professing.proboards.com/post/957250/thread
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 12:02:59 GMT -5
Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
You're gravely mistaken. I didn't even feel it was necessary that she be killed. Judging from your cronie, Wally, a bullet to the head is what she'd have gotten if she'd have done the same thing at Wally's house -- he's always talking about what he'd do to some unwanted person trying to get into his house, be he/she white or black. I'll give you this, though. I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed. you are lying again old man. i've talked about defending me and mine from people who initiate violence which is what generally happens in a home invasion. shooting just for trespass or property damage will get one put in the pokey anymore. it never used to be like that though...good try
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 12:09:07 GMT -5
nukes are our 1st line of defense regular military our 2nd line defense militia our 3rd line of defense armed women and children our last line of defense NO ONE is advocating for nukes in the hands of civilians that is a strawman Um... Nathan just did. Keep up. professing.proboards.com/post/957250/threaddepends if he was saying yea to your first sentence or second sentence of your previous post...keep up...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2021 13:09:25 GMT -5
You're gravely mistaken. I didn't even feel it was necessary that she be killed. Judging from your cronie, Wally, a bullet to the head is what she'd have gotten if she'd have done the same thing at Wally's house -- he's always talking about what he'd do to some unwanted person trying to get into his house, be he/she white or black. I'll give you this, though. I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed. you are lying again old man. i've talked about defending me and mine from people who initiate violence which is what generally happens in a home invasion. shooting just for trespass or property damage will get one put in the pokey anymore. it never used to be like that though...good try Dpn't you just miss the good ole days. You would have a butt full of notches by now with your attitude.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2021 13:21:39 GMT -5
No one on here is celebrating the killing of the “defenseless woman” in this forum. Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
Dan, I don't believe you! I don't believe that is what you really thought about us!
You have done this in the past! From the very beginning of your posting on here you assigned reasons as to why people acted as they did which seemed entirely unfair !
Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 20, 2021 13:38:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry for her that she was so insufferably stupid as to think she wasn't in danger when she even showed up there that day -- armed or unarmed. Or was she more brainwashed and radicalised than stupid? Ironically, QAnon (that played such a big part in her life) claimed her death was faked... Woman killed in Capitol was Trump supporter who embraced conspiracy theoriesThe day before the rally, she tweeted, "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!” The Storm is a reference to a QAnon fantasy in which Trump will supposedly punish Democrats and Hollywood elite for their supposed misdeeds. On forums and platforms like Parler, where followers fled after being banned on Twitter and Facebook, QAnon followers claimed Babbitt’s death was faked and had been engineered as a “false flag” by the so-called Deep State. Well, perhaps "insufferably stupid" is the best synonym for brainwashed and radicalized. She most certainly was on the Trump bandwagon, and judging from how radicalized peoples behave, she certainly fit the bill. Trump didn't call his troops off soon enough to save her that day. One thing is certain, she wasn't "shot by a black cop for climbing through a window." The cop was white and the window was part of a locked door that was already under seige.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 14:52:07 GMT -5
Or was she more brainwashed and radicalised than stupid? Ironically, QAnon (that played such a big part in her life) claimed her death was faked... Woman killed in Capitol was Trump supporter who embraced conspiracy theoriesThe day before the rally, she tweeted, "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!” The Storm is a reference to a QAnon fantasy in which Trump will supposedly punish Democrats and Hollywood elite for their supposed misdeeds. On forums and platforms like Parler, where followers fled after being banned on Twitter and Facebook, QAnon followers claimed Babbitt’s death was faked and had been engineered as a “false flag” by the so-called Deep State. Well, perhaps "insufferably stupid" is the best synonym for brainwashed and radicalized. She most certainly was on the Trump bandwagon, and judging from how radicalized peoples behave, she certainly fit the bill. Trump didn't call his troops off soon enough to save her that day. One thing is certain, she wasn't "shot by a black cop for climbing through a window." The cop was white and the window was part of a locked door that was already under seige. It could be argued that one of the angry trump-radicalised mob had to die to break the momentum and buy time for security to get the lawmakers to a safe place. Saying the cop should have handcuffed Babbitt is impractical. The cop was at his post, armed with a gun to protect the lawmakers behind him. He should have been better armed, but no one expected to have to deal with a treasonous president.
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Post by Dan on Apr 20, 2021 15:36:36 GMT -5
Perhaps I was mistaken... It just seemed like ya'll felt that it was a justifiable shooting and the girl deserved to be killed.. Glad to hear you weren't happy about it though. A bullet to the head was extreme, a little pepper spray would have been sufficient. Hearing about it and seeing it on TV made me angry, it wasn't a righteous kill. Just sad that you felt it was necessary.
Dan, I don't believe you! I don't believe that is what you really thought about us!
You have done this in the past! From the very beginning of your posting on here you assigned reasons as to why people acted as they did which seemed entirely unfair !
Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work!
Well, you seem pretty radical against Trump supporters, so it wasn't much of a stretch to presume you might have felt a little thrilled about one of them getting wasted. You seem to believe it was a justifiable killing and support the guy who murdered her, so why wouldn't you be happy about it?
Its not a criticism, just my observation. I'm no different, I'm just on the opposite side of the spectrum and wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning. So yes, I really thought that you kinda enjoyed seeing that girl get what you thought she deserved.. Sorry if my perception was off base.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 15:58:01 GMT -5
Dan, I don't believe you! I don't believe that is what you really thought about us!
You have done this in the past! From the very beginning of your posting on here you assigned reasons as to why people acted as they did which seemed entirely unfair !
Like the woman who followed the guide lines about Covid19 and did not come to work!
Well, you seem pretty radical against Trump supporters, so it wasn't much of a stretch to presume you might have felt a little thrilled about one of them getting wasted. You seem to believe it was a justifiable killing and support the guy who murdered her, so why wouldn't you be happy about it?
Its not a criticism, just my observation. I'm no different, I'm just on the opposite side of the spectrum and wouldn't mind seeing one of those ANTIFA punks get a case of lead poisoning. So yes, I really thought that you kinda enjoyed seeing that girl get what you thought she deserved.. Sorry if my perception was off base.
I feel very sorry that Ashli Babbitt died fighting for something she was passionate about. She was not murdered. Put yourself in the shoes of the speakers lobby defenders. More than 140 officers were injured by Trump's radicalised mob that day. 2 Capitol Police Officers Sue Trump For Injuries Sustained During Jan. 6 Riot
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:00:18 GMT -5
Well, perhaps "insufferably stupid" is the best synonym for brainwashed and radicalized. She most certainly was on the Trump bandwagon, and judging from how radicalized peoples behave, she certainly fit the bill. Trump didn't call his troops off soon enough to save her that day. One thing is certain, she wasn't "shot by a black cop for climbing through a window." The cop was white and the window was part of a locked door that was already under seige. It could be argued that one of the angry trump-radicalised mob had to die to break the momentum and buy time for security to get the lawmakers to a safe place. Saying the cop should have handcuffed Babbitt is impractical. The cop was at his post, armed with a gun to protect the lawmakers behind him. He should have been better armed, but no one expected to have to deal with a treasonous president. why would it be impractical? that is what they did to some during the 2020 riots. and he wasn't alone there defending the lawmakers...
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 17:04:29 GMT -5
It could be argued that one of the angry trump-radicalised mob had to die to break the momentum and buy time for security to get the lawmakers to a safe place. Saying the cop should have handcuffed Babbitt is impractical. The cop was at his post, armed with a gun to protect the lawmakers behind him. He should have been better armed, but no one expected to have to deal with a treasonous president. why would it be impractical? that is what they did to some during the 2020 riots. and he wasn't alone there defending the lawmakers... If you think that handcuffing that radicalised rabble to keep the lawmakers safe was a viable option, then I would have to question your claim to have served in the military. Why do you think 140 police officers were injured that day?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2021 17:07:40 GMT -5
Well, perhaps "insufferably stupid" is the best synonym for brainwashed and radicalized. She most certainly was on the Trump bandwagon, and judging from how radicalized peoples behave, she certainly fit the bill. Trump didn't call his troops off soon enough to save her that day. One thing is certain, she wasn't "shot by a black cop for climbing through a window." The cop was white and the window was part of a locked door that was already under seige. It could be argued that one of the angry trump-radicalised mob had to die to break the momentum and buy time for security to get the lawmakers to a safe place. Saying the cop should have handcuffed Babbitt is impractical. The cop was at his post, armed with a gun to protect the lawmakers behind him. He should have been better armed, but no one expected to have to deal with a treasonous president. A treasonous president is very apt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 17:44:15 GMT -5
why would it be impractical? that is what they did to some during the 2020 riots. and he wasn't alone there defending the lawmakers... If you think that handcuffing that radicalised rabble to keep the lawmakers safe was a viable option, then I would have to question your claim to have served in the military. Why do you think 140 police officers were injured that day? you are delusional the military is mainly there to kill and break things, civilian police not so much...do you even have a clue? good try though on SP duty we were to try and detain people not kill them...
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 18:23:07 GMT -5
If you think that handcuffing that radicalised rabble to keep the lawmakers safe was a viable option, then I would have to question your claim to have served in the military. Why do you think 140 police officers were injured that day? you are delusional the military is mainly there to kill and break things, civilian police not so much...do you even have a clue? good try though on SP duty we were to try and detain people not kill them... Of course your duty would be to detain people rather than kill them. Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to detain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building? You seem to have no idea how serious the insurrection was. Prosecutors: Capitol Rioters Intended to ‘Capture and Assassinate’ Elected Officials
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 18:32:26 GMT -5
you are delusional the military is mainly there to kill and break things, civilian police not so much...do you even have a clue? good try though on SP duty we were to try and detain people not kill them... Of course your duty would be to detain people rather than kill them. Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to restrain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building? it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches...
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 18:34:55 GMT -5
Of course your duty would be to detain people rather than kill them. Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to restrain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building? it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches... You didn't answer my question: Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to restrain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 18:37:36 GMT -5
it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches... You didn't answer my question: Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to restrain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building? yeah i did i repeat: it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches...
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 18:58:32 GMT -5
You didn't answer my question: Do you think it's reasonable to expect the Capitol police to restrain the insurrectionists at the rate they were pouring into the building? yeah i did i repeat: it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches... At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020In Las Vegas, Jorge Gomez was wearing body armor and carrying several guns when he was shot to death by Las Vegas police at a protest in June. Before he was shot, several protesters told Gomez they disapproved of him being armed, and even a journalist questioned him about why he was holding his gun in his hand with his finger on the trigger, the Las Vegas Sun reported.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 21:08:10 GMT -5
yeah i did i repeat: it would have not been any different of a rate for the jan 6th rioters than the 2020 rioters yet they(police)managed not to kill any of them on their watches... At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020In Las Vegas, Jorge Gomez was wearing body armor and carrying several guns when he was shot to death by Las Vegas police at a protest in June. Before he was shot, several protesters told Gomez they disapproved of him being armed, and even a journalist questioned him about why he was holding his gun in his hand with his finger on the trigger, the Las Vegas Sun reported. i stand partially corrected...are you really gonna compare a firearm wielding suspect with an unarmed suspect? really?
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2021 21:42:37 GMT -5
At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020In Las Vegas, Jorge Gomez was wearing body armor and carrying several guns when he was shot to death by Las Vegas police at a protest in June. Before he was shot, several protesters told Gomez they disapproved of him being armed, and even a journalist questioned him about why he was holding his gun in his hand with his finger on the trigger, the Las Vegas Sun reported. i stand partially corrected...are you really gonna compare a firearm wielding suspect with an unarmed suspect? really? Two different scenarios. If you were the cop with responsibility to defend the speakers lobby and the lawmakers behind him, would you try handcuffing the first person who violently broke through the locked door? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 21:58:05 GMT -5
i stand partially corrected...are you really gonna compare a firearm wielding suspect with an unarmed suspect? really? Two different scenarios. If you were the cop with responsibility to defend the speakers lobby and the lawmakers behind him, would you try handcuffing the first person who violently broke through the locked door? Really? EXACTLY... cops do that all the time during riots. have you ever actually seen a riot in motion even on a TV or internet Videos? they take down the people at the front of the line of rioters causing the most trouble first...riot police don't normally open fire at the sight of an unarmed individuals. last time i think was at a place called Kent state in the 70's 4 unarmed people were killed by riot police, things changed after that...
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