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Post by Yes on Dec 24, 2015 2:22:37 GMT -5
I do have faith/belief that God can hear a prayer.
Much similar to parent that clearly hears sundry pleas / requests for sundry items, concerns, wishes, help , ETC.
I believe every parent wants to provide everything possible to help stimulate a positive experience toward this relationship
I believe that it is important for a parent to not only cultivate a solid upbringing of human physical needs, but to teach both human and spiritual values that will help secure a future maturity that can benefit both and together make a better world for those they mingle among
That is my opinion, though unintentional errors may occur, it certainly should be corrected asap
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Post by rational on Dec 24, 2015 15:24:57 GMT -5
I do have faith/belief that God can hear a prayer. Much similar to parent that clearly hears sundry pleas / requests for sundry items, concerns, wishes, help , ETC. I believe every parent wants to provide everything possible to help stimulate a positive experience toward this relationship I believe that it is important for a parent to not only cultivate a solid upbringing of human physical needs, but to teach both human and spiritual values that will help secure a future maturity that can benefit both and together make a better world for those they mingle among That is my opinion, though unintentional errors may occur, it certainly should be corrected asap I have always felt it is best to allow children to reach their own decisions about spiritual matters. The children may well decide, should they have the opportunity to do so without parental influence, that they hold different spiritual values, if any at all.
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Post by Analogy on Jan 10, 2016 20:27:45 GMT -5
I do have faith/belief that God can hear a prayer. Much similar to parent that clearly hears sundry pleas / requests for sundry items, concerns, wishes, help , ETC. I believe every parent wants to provide everything possible to help stimulate a positive experience toward this relationship I believe that it is important for a parent to not only cultivate a solid upbringing of human physical needs, but to teach both human and spiritual values that will help secure a future maturity that can benefit both and together make a better world for those they mingle among That is my opinion, though unintentional errors may occur, it certainly should be corrected asap I have always felt it is best to allow children to reach their own decisions about spiritual matters. The children may well decide, should they have the opportunity to do so without parental influence, that they hold different spiritual values, if any at all. Sorry I really thought this analogy was easier to understand In a nutshell everything a parent does to answer the cry/(may I say request ) These requests are like things us adults might pray for:/ask God/request We adults like our prayers answered(requests) just as much as children like their parents to grant them whatever they ask/request Does God answer our prayers? yes ((so also do parents answer their children's requests)) In much the same fashion. Sorry I didn't do better than what was written in that poorly worded post...
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Post by rational on Jan 12, 2016 10:28:38 GMT -5
I have always felt it is best to allow children to reach their own decisions about spiritual matters. The children may well decide, should they have the opportunity to do so without parental influence, that they hold different spiritual values, if any at all. Sorry I really thought this analogy was easier to understand In a nutshell everything a parent does to answer the cry/(may I say request ) These requests are like things us adults might pray for:/ask God/request We adults like our prayers answered(requests) just as much as children like their parents to grant them whatever they ask/request Does God answer our prayers? yes ((so also do parents answer their children's requests)) In much the same fashion. Sorry I didn't do better than what was written in that poorly worded post... The analogy fails because most parents are not considered omnipotent omniscient beings who have put a promise in writing that whatever a person asks in Jesus's name will be granted. Parents do the best they can. Perhaps your version of god also does the best s/he can. My comment was more asking the question of whether it would be better for parents to let the children decide spiritual matters for themselves when they are old enough to understand the options.
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 12, 2016 15:13:31 GMT -5
Almost every event in life involves a spiritual choice (right vs wrong) If you disagree with that ,imho, then parents are restricted from parenting I choose that parents should teach through varying methods. Just as GOD also teaches me.
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Post by rational on Jan 12, 2016 15:49:58 GMT -5
Almost every event in life involves a spiritual choice (right vs wrong) Right and wrong is an ethical choice. Teaching right vs wrong does not involve anything spiritual. Do you want to teach your children to be and think for themselves or is it your intent to create clones of yourself? Which god has been teaching you? The same one that said children should be stoned to death if they disrespect their parents? Or do you listen to a different god?
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Post by Good is right on Jan 12, 2016 17:35:44 GMT -5
Evil is wrong. Yes.
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Post by rational on Jan 12, 2016 17:43:10 GMT -5
What is evil depends on your belief. One might consider god to be evil when s/he slaughtered the innocent first born of egypt.
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 12, 2016 17:57:05 GMT -5
What if someone thinks you are wrong?
It is right/good to believe that GOD does in fact answer prayers, GOD is - (we are His creation.)
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Post by rational on Jan 12, 2016 18:22:08 GMT -5
What if someone thinks you are wrong? Well, that is their right. If it matters to either party they could engage and defend their views. Well, that is your belief. I do not believe there is a god so the question of him/her answering prayers is a moot point.
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 12, 2016 19:00:31 GMT -5
Did your parents teach you right from wrong?
Did your parents try to guide you up until
you reach the age of independence? Hmmmm...
You don't need to answer .....
I believe it is right to believe that GOD answers
our prayers there is an established faith in this belief .
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 1:38:39 GMT -5
Did your parents teach you right from wrong? Yes they did, mostly by example. My parents offered guidance until they died. The difference, I believe, is that they offered it and did not demand it. I don't mind. Given the lack of evidence I do not share your belief.
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Post by Yes on Jan 13, 2016 2:29:11 GMT -5
I would much love to see a life of example than to wonder what someone means when they give a lecture!
Do you also live by this wonderful example your parents so wisely lived by?
Thank you for your patience in replying.
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 2:39:14 GMT -5
I would much love to see a life of example than to wonder what someone means when they give a lecture! Both of my parents professed. They allowed me the freedom to make up my own mind regarding religious beliefs. Having never believed in a paranormal being it was not a difficult decision on my part. To their credit, they were, in my opinion, the best parents a person could hope to have.
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Post by Yes on Jan 13, 2016 2:54:19 GMT -5
You mentioned that your parents offered guidance as supposedly you were inferring that I would be an advocate of : force obedience to a principal
I believe good guidance involves sharing Beliefs of the consequences of living and acting irresponsibly. (I.E.: do not steal, do not bare false witness, .........)
After all we do live in a land that observes many laws that we are encouraged to obey . Right?
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Post by Yes on Jan 13, 2016 3:00:30 GMT -5
Ooops please correct the quotes above, thanks!
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Post by Guest4 on Jan 13, 2016 5:03:02 GMT -5
Both of my parents professed. They allowed me the freedom to make up my own mind regarding religious beliefs. Having never believed in a paranormal being it was not a difficult decision on my part. To their credit, they were, in my opinion, the best parents a person could hope to have. [br I find it deeply confusing that you cannot reconcile the example of the beliefs and example of your parents ,and the professed beliefs of many others that it appears you "mock" ? Could this be something you unconsciously do, or is it a lesson on using free choice ? to act/post in careless disregard of this delimna of ignoring our inborn ignorance of things we do not know even if true? Please forgive if this is an incorrect evaluation of who you really are? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 5:11:37 GMT -5
I do believe that prayer works, but prayers are vetted by God; what He does not hinder, He allows, and what He does not allow, He hinders for reasons best known to Himself.
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Post by Amen on Jan 13, 2016 5:29:58 GMT -5
I do believe that prayer works, but prayers are vetted by God; what He does not hinder, He allows, and what He does not allow, He hinders for reasons best known to Himself. I agree. Thanks for sharing thought
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 10:18:45 GMT -5
You mentioned that your parents offered guidance as supposedly you were inferring that I would be an advocate of : force obedience to a principal No, I was stating my thoughts on the matter. These all sound like sound behaviors. Right. It is the reason why we follow certain principles where I believe we part ways.
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Post by rational on Jan 13, 2016 10:37:21 GMT -5
I find it deeply confusing that you cannot reconcile the example of the beliefs and example of your parents ,and the professed beliefs of many others that it appears you "mock" ? I don't think I have mocked people's beliefs unless they have been presented as facts. If you claim prayer works I certainly might ask you to back up your claiomwith reproducible and verifiable date. That is quite a paragraph. Do you think I would know if I were doing it unconsciously? In general I post about the things that I am familiar with and the things that I have been directly involved with or that I have taken the time to study and learn from a number of sources. If you feel that I have posted something that cannot be supported by external and verifiable sources please let me know and I will try to respond. In this day and age, and I know you have access to at least the internet, there is little excuse for ignorance. As a former teacher I can appreciate there are things that people, including myself, do not know. But there is a wealth of information available for those interested in examining their beliefs if they so desire. Having someone put up straw men arguments, against evolution or the big bang, with incorrect information provided on creationist/fundamental sites will always raise an argument. It seems you do not think the theory of evolution is valid but I am guessing that your information is not what evolutionists actually believe. I have no problem if you do not believe in either evolution or the big bang theory but at least try to understand what the theories actually are saying rather than what the creationists sites are claiming they say. I think you have made the mistake of thinking that someone who holds views contradictory to your is somehow saying your beliefs are 'bad'. It is sometimes difficult, for example, to not sound like you are mocking someone who claims that the bible is inerrant when you ask them if they actually believe that sacrificing 2 turtledoves (or pigeons in a pinch) is a valid cure for a sexually transmitted disease. I have learned not to take offense by anything someone posts.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 13, 2016 17:09:19 GMT -5
I find it deeply confusing that you cannot reconcile the example of the beliefs and example of your parents ,and the professed beliefs of many others that it appears you "mock" ? I don't think I have mocked people's beliefs unless they have been presented as facts. If you claim prayer works I certainly might ask you to back up your claiomwith reproducible and verifiable date. I would agree that you are pretty accepting of other points of view, provided they are not presented as “facts”. (I, personally, would tend to assert that prayer works. At the same time, I recognize that for you to even grudgingly accede that I might have the slightest point, you would need to redefine what “prayer” and “works” means, beyond a materialistic and reductionist world view. (For myself, I have never stopped questioning what is meant by the “prayer” or even the “God” terms, regardless of who uses them or the context in which they are used.)) I also recognize that “facts” is an alter you worship at. I acknowledge that they are important (and I am sometimes dumbfounded at how easily they are dismissed), but I do not think our perception and promotion of “facts” ends the conversation. I have learned not to take offense by anything someone posts. I do think you do a pretty good job of this. It is something for everyone to aspire to. (With a little open-mindedness, it is a way for us all to learn and grow, if we are open to taking on alternate points of view.)
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Post by Gene on Jan 13, 2016 18:31:49 GMT -5
A child's prayer
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Post by xna on Jan 13, 2016 21:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Jan 13, 2016 21:48:24 GMT -5
Imprecatory prayer - A prayer asking God to kill, maim, curse, send into eternal damnation, or otherwise harm an enemy. ie. Psalm 109"An evil miracle is still technically a miracle. —Black Mage"
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2016 23:42:19 GMT -5
I do believe that prayer works, but prayers are vetted by God; what He does not hinder, He allows, and what He does not allow, He hinders for reasons best known to Himself. I agree. Thanks for sharing thought I have to smile every time I hear that one.
If you pray about a particular issue & it doesn't come to pass you can just say; well, god knows best, -that it wasn't suppose to happen.
However, if it does come to pass; well, god answered your prayer; - so either way you have covered your belief that god answers prayer!
Seems it never occurs to people that there simply wasn't any god there to answer one way or the other.
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Post by rational on Jan 14, 2016 0:44:03 GMT -5
I do believe that prayer works, but prayers are vetted by God; what He does not hinder, He allows, and what He does not allow, He hinders for reasons best known to Himself. I fail to see how this addresses the Subject. The exact same case can be made without involving a god or higher power. You speak into a black box and make various requests and sometimes they come to pass and sometimes they don't. The more reasonable requests (like, "Please bring rain today.") are 'granted' more frequently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 4:21:08 GMT -5
It is all down to faith and belief my friend. Some folks believe that ther is a God, some others dont; ssome folks believe in the Apostles creed, others dont- each to his own belief. I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to the dead.
Now that is what makes people different, justified by faith And belief, or justified by seeing concrete evidence and believing.
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