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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 6, 2016 3:10:22 GMT -5
I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO . Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2016 8:47:57 GMT -5
I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO . Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
[ I suppose parody works well with your beliefs . If you say that you like to study history. Can I do a parody that shows that some history books might be erred , thus you like errors in history books? ? hmmmm........... I don't think your parody is valid either!
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Post by Yes on Apr 6, 2016 9:04:30 GMT -5
I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO . Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
In short you are saying that no one can believe something , unless everyone agrees ? just because evolution is erred, does this mean humans have a soul, yet there is evidence .
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 6, 2016 18:06:16 GMT -5
Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
In short you are saying that no one can believe something , unless everyone agrees ? just because evolution is erred, does this mean humans have a soul, yet there is evidence . Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
In short you are saying that no one can believe something , unless everyone agrees ? just because evolution is erred, does this mean humans have a soul, yet there is evidence . I am pointing out that religious beliefs usually are very similar to each other.
All one has to do is change the a word or two,- basically the name of their religion and who they believe and worship, and they will each one be denouncing the other as not true, -the very way that you did when you said, "I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO."
Do you understand what I mean?
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Post by Hmmmm on Apr 7, 2016 8:15:59 GMT -5
In short you are saying that no one can believe something , unless everyone agrees ? just because evolution is erred, does this mean humans have a soul, yet there is evidence . In short you are saying that no one can believe something , unless everyone agrees ? just because evolution is erred, does this mean humans have a soul, yet there is evidence . I am pointing out that religious beliefs usually are very similar to each other.
All one has to do is change the a word or two,- basically the name of their religion and who they believe and worship, and they will each one be denouncing the other as not true, -the very way that you did when you said, "I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO."
Do you understand what I mean?No, you are making conversing literally impossible. If I believe my wife is a very compassionate person, it could very well be true. It is what I believe, and it can be understood by me, without trying to "prove" it to others. Every belief you have is personal, and I know I disagree with many of your beliefs, yet you continue to make excuses for them ! Will you change your mind if I tell you that I can change the wording of your beliefs , thus it must be wrong because now it has a new wording in it??? That makes no sense!
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 8:28:29 GMT -5
The believers did believe Jesus when He said God would answer prayers...they also quoted Jesus as praying " not my will but Thine...." In this context, we can remember what was said about the life and actions of Jesus.....that I suppose if it were possible to write it all down , the world could not contain all the books to write it all. Are we going to quibble about that , too ! No, it simply means that they could if needed , write much much more, as much more could be written but then we would never be able to read it all, would we?? There would be no one that could afford such a volume of literature.. Even so, we can believe it to be true.
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2016 15:38:20 GMT -5
The believers did believe Jesus when He said God would answer prayers...they also quoted Jesus as praying " not my will but Thine...." In this context, we can remember what was said about the life and actions of Jesus.....that I suppose if it were possible to write it all down , the world could not contain all the books to write it all. Are we going to quibble about that , too ! :) No, it simply means that they could if needed , write much much more, as much more could be written but then we would never be able to read it all, would we?? There would be no one that could afford such a volume of literature.. Even so, we can believe it to be true. :) It is not simply a quibble but a question regarding the accuracy of the text. Saying that the world would not be larg enough to contain the text of everything said is wither an error or an example of extreme hyperbole. And of course we would be able to read them all. If a recording of what Jesus said had been made it would only be 30 years long. Cut out the time for sleep and it is 20 years long. Remove the times when Jesus was not speaking and it is less. Had it all been written it could be read in even less time. The point is that whether the bible can be considered without error depends on who is deciding that some comments were figures of speech employed to make a point or it they should be considered as literal. I suppose a person could consider the 6 th commandment a suggestion or a metaphor encouraging people to be nice to each other. Then it is not so much the word of god as it is the words that people want them to be. maryhig , for example, has said she does not believe god when the command was given to kill every living thing, women, children, animals, etc. It fits her view better if she sees this as some metaphor. In maryhig -Land god never tells anyone to kill nor causes anyone to be killed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 7, 2016 16:20:01 GMT -5
I am pointing out that religious beliefs usually are very similar to each other.
All one has to do is change the a word or two,- basically the name of their religion and who they believe and worship, and they will each one be denouncing the other as not true, -the very way that you did when you said, "I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO."
Do you understand what I mean? No, you are making conversing literally impossible. If I believe my wife is a very compassionate person, it could very well be true. It is what I believe, and it can be understood by me, without trying to "prove" it to others. Every belief you have is personal, and I know I disagree with many of your beliefs, yet you continue to make excuses for them ! Will you change your mindif I tell you that I can change the wording of your beliefs , thus it must be wrong because now it has a new wording in it??? That makes no sense! I wasn't trying to prove either the bible or the Quran to be right nor whether it was Jesus or Mohammad that was right. I was trying to convey that all religions have a universal theme that is seen in all beliefs.
I didn't "change the wording" of the the post other than the names of the gods, (God and Allah) their teachers (Jesus and Mohammed) and holy books (Bible and Quran)
It is just the exchange of those "words" that cause both Christians or Muslims to differ, -whereas the rest could be accepted by either.
My point was that all the worlds religions throughout history has had universal concepts.
I shall repeat my post. Can you understand?
"To consider that the Quran was written by people that not only believed the teachings contained, but laid down their lives to bring this message to the many unbelievers in the world.
At the very cost of their own life being persecuted by the religious world and martyred , looking to Mohammad as the only answer , and the promise that they could endure unto the end and be reunited with their joy..... and ours for not only a millennium but time without end,without end..... It really is incredible to consider the cost of it all
Value equals cost , and it is beyond measure .
When the authors are quoted as quoting Mohammad's teachings, we should consider the eyes they beheld him with, of great joy and compassion, it is not a wonder that they spoke well on his behalf, and we should not let their compassion for his truth, cause us to question the integrity of Mohammad's immeasurable message to the world, in His day, and even in our day!
Allah does answer all our prayers."
Now do you understand? I hope so, I have spent at least two hours on trying to get this so you can understand what i mean.
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Post by Nonono on Apr 7, 2016 17:44:52 GMT -5
No, you are making conversing literally impossible. If I believe my wife is a very compassionate person, it could very well be true. It is what I believe, and it can be understood by me, without trying to "prove" it to others. Every belief you have is personal, and I know I disagree with many of your beliefs, yet you continue to make excuses for them ! Will you change your mindif I tell you that I can change the wording of your beliefs , thus it must be wrong because now it has a new wording in it??? That makes no sense! I wasn't trying to prove either the bible or the Quran to be right nor whether it was Jesus or Mohammad that was right. I was trying to convey that all religions have a universal theme that is seen in all beliefs.
I didn't "change the wording" of the the post other than the names of the gods, (God and Allah) their teachers (Jesus and Mohammed) and holy books (Bible and Quran)
It is just the exchange of those "words" that cause both Christians or Muslims to differ, -whereas the rest could be accepted by either.
My point was that all the worlds religions throughout history has had universal concepts.
I shall repeat my post. Can you understand?
"To consider that the Quran was written by people that not only believed the teachings contained, but laid down their lives to bring this message to the many unbelievers in the world.
At the very cost of their own life being persecuted by the religious world and martyred , looking to Mohammad as the only answer , and the promise that they could endure unto the end and be reunited with their joy..... and ours for not only a millennium but time without end,without end..... It really is incredible to consider the cost of it all
Value equals cost , and it is beyond measure .
When the authors are quoted as quoting Mohammad's teachings, we should consider the eyes they beheld him with, of great joy and compassion, it is not a wonder that they spoke well on his behalf, and we should not let their compassion for his truth, cause us to question the integrity of Mohammad's immeasurable message to the world, in His day, and even in our day!
Allah does answer all our prayers."
Now do you understand? I hope so, I have spent at least two hours on trying to get this so you can understand what i mean.
You believe some very unbelievable things ! I Wrote something that I believe, and you twisted It . I guess that is the logic of evolutionists!
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 17:54:04 GMT -5
I believe you are mistaken about what you wrote, IMO . Didn't you realize that I was only doing a parody of Yes's post? I was showing how one religious view isn't that different from another.
Actually I don't believe in either one.
You do not seem to know the difference between belief and myths. Most theories are myths until I believe them, then they are beliefs!
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 18:21:29 GMT -5
The believers did believe Jesus when He said God would answer prayers...they also quoted Jesus as praying " not my will but Thine...." In this context, we can remember what was said about the life and actions of Jesus.....that I suppose if it were possible to write it all down , the world could not contain all the books to write it all. Are we going to quibble about that , too ! No, it simply means that they could if needed , write much much more, as much more could be written but then we would never be able to read it all, would we?? There would be no one that could afford such a volume of literature.. Even so, we can believe it to be true. It is not simply a quibble but a question regarding the accuracy of the text. Saying that the world would not be larg enough to contain the text of everything said is wither an error or an example of extreme hyperbole. And of course we would be able to read them all. If a recording of what Jesus said had been made it would only be 30 years long. Cut out the time for sleep and it is 20 years long. Remove the times when Jesus was not speaking and it is less. Had it all been written it could be read in even less time. The point is that whether the bible can be considered without error depends on who is deciding that some comments were figures of speech employed to make a point or it they should be considered as literal. I suppose a person could consider the 6 th commandment a suggestion or a metaphor encouraging people to be nice to each other. Then it is not so much the word of god as it is the words that people want them to be. maryhig , for example, has said she does not believe god when the command was given to kill every living thing, women, children, animals, etc. It fits her view better if she sees this as some metaphor. In maryhig -Land god never tells anyone to kill nor causes anyone to be killed. eternity will be filled with extreme hyperboles. but it will be the new "normal" ... Things beyond discription, beyond human reasoning A moment to acclimate oneself to this transformation .! Hmmm. Let me consider this some more ,
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 7, 2016 18:34:54 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to prove either the bible or the Quran to be right nor whether it was Jesus or Mohammad that was right. I was trying to convey that all religions have a universal theme that is seen in all beliefs.
I didn't "change the wording" of the the post other than the names of the gods, (God and Allah) their teachers (Jesus and Mohammed) and holy books (Bible and Quran)
It is just the exchange of those "words" that cause both Christians or Muslims to differ, -whereas the rest could be accepted by either.
My point was that all the worlds religions throughout history has had universal concepts.
I shall repeat my post. Can you understand?
"To consider that the Quran was written by people that not only believed the teachings contained, but laid down their lives to bring this message to the many unbelievers in the world.
At the very cost of their own life being persecuted by the religious world and martyred , looking to Mohammad as the only answer , and the promise that they could endure unto the end and be reunited with their joy..... and ours for not only a millennium but time without end,without end..... It really is incredible to consider the cost of it all
Value equals cost , and it is beyond measure .
When the authors are quoted as quoting Mohammad's teachings, we should consider the eyes they beheld him with, of great joy and compassion, it is not a wonder that they spoke well on his behalf, and we should not let their compassion for his truth, cause us to question the integrity of Mohammad's immeasurable message to the world, in His day, and even in our day!
Allah does answer all our prayers."
Now do you understand? I hope so, I have spent at least two hours on trying to get this so you can understand what i mean.
You believe some very unbelievable things ! I Wrote something that I believe, and you twisted It . I guess that is the logic of evolutionists!
I was quoting Yes's post as of: 5 Apr 2016 at 20:34 Yes
Nonono, Can you point to the post where I "twisted" of what you said?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 7, 2016 19:01:43 GMT -5
It is not simply a quibble but a question regarding the accuracy of the text. Saying that the world would not be larg enough to contain the text of everything said is wither an error or an example of extreme hyperbole. And of course we would be able to read them all. If a recording of what Jesus said had been made it would only be 30 years long. Cut out the time for sleep and it is 20 years long. Remove the times when Jesus was not speaking and it is less. Had it all been written it could be read in even less time. The point is that whether the bible can be considered without error depends on who is deciding that some comments were figures of speech employed to make a point or it they should be considered as literal. I suppose a person could consider the 6 th commandment a suggestion or a metaphor encouraging people to be nice to each other. Then it is not so much the word of god as it is the words that people want them to be. maryhig , for example, has said she does not believe god when the command was given to kill every living thing, women, children, animals, etc. It fits her view better if she sees this as some metaphor. In maryhig -Land god never tells anyone to kill nor causes anyone to be killed. eternity will be filled with extreme hyperboles. but it will be the new "normal" ... Things beyond discription, beyond human reasoning A moment to acclimate oneself to this transformation .! Hmmm. Let me consider this some more , "hyperbole" isn't the same as selectively interpreting what one reads is it?
Such as people read the bible which probably accounts for 1000's of denominations of Christianity alone.
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 19:04:38 GMT -5
Thinking about Jonah After preaching to the Nineveh ites , they repented and God changed his judgment on them. Jonah, was sure that God would have mercy on them if they would repent! And they did repent, and God did have mercy on them! It seems Jonah really did understand Gods mercy, even though he was unhappy that God allowed them another opportunity..... that is example of extreme mercy.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 7, 2016 19:08:59 GMT -5
Thinking about Jonah After preaching to the Ninevehites , they repented and God changed his judgment on them. Jonah, was sure that God would have mercy on them if they would repent! And they did repent, and God did have mercy on them! It seems Jonah really did understand Gods mercy, even though he was unhappy thatGod allowed them another opportunity..... that is example of extreme mercy. Is this what you meant about hyperbole?
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 19:09:01 GMT -5
eternity will be filled with extreme hyperboles. but it will be the new "normal" ... Things beyond discription, beyond human reasoning A moment to acclimate oneself to this transformation .! Hmmm. Let me consider this some more , "hyperbole" isn't the same as selectively interpreting what one reads is it?
Such as people read the bible which probably accounts for 1000's of denominations of Christianity alone.[ I have heard that many scientists have different theories! They are arguing all the time. There are at least 100,000 unique perspectives on Origins of life, origins of space, etc, etc I can't figure out which to believe!!
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 19:14:34 GMT -5
Thinking about Jonah After preaching to the Ninevehites , they repented and God changed his judgment on them. Jonah, was sure that God would have mercy on them if they would repent! And they did repent, and God did have mercy on them! It seems Jonah really did understand Gods mercy, even though he was unhappy thatGod allowed them another opportunity..... that is example of extreme mercy. Is this what you meant about hyperbole? [b Did you read the post I was responding to? There was an example given of an extreme hyperbole
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Post by rational on Apr 7, 2016 19:16:05 GMT -5
eternity will be filled with extreme hyperboles. but it will be the new "normal" ... Things beyond discription, beyond human reasoning A moment to acclimate oneself to this transformation .! Hmmm. Let me consider this some more , That is an I55 response.
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 19:37:41 GMT -5
eternity will be filled with extreme hyperboles. but it will be the new "normal" ... Things beyond discription, beyond human reasoning A moment to acclimate oneself to this transformation .! Hmmm. Let me consider this some more , That is an I55 response. That's the point. In mathematics , it is like theorizing and proving simultaneously. Can I prove infinity exists ? If We can then we can know a very small fraction of what God knows
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Post by Yes on Apr 7, 2016 19:43:07 GMT -5
Thinking about Jonah After preaching to the Ninevehites , they repented and God changed his judgment on them. Jonah, was sure that God would have mercy on them if they would repent! And they did repenta, and God did have mercy on them! It seems Jonah really did understand Gods mercy, even though he was unhappy thatGod allowed them another opportunity..... that is example of extreme mercy. Is this what you meant about hyperbole? Here is an interesting hyperbole...... "That joke is so old, the last time I heard it I was riding on a dinosaur ...
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Post by Yes revisited on Jul 29, 2018 8:07:18 GMT -5
And we understand that God sees things much differently than humans see things, right
when we pray , we only see things from our perspective,
right? , but when God hears our prayer, He instantly factors in how this would affect 7 billion other factors/humanity. ?
Nice to consider the ultimate value/good that we receive with the sure answer we receive. And be thankful for all things
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