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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 6:21:51 GMT -5
Some things to meditate about:
Why did G-D want Moses to lead His people out of Egypt? Why did He give them 10 commandments? Why was He grieved with the idolatry?
G-D can help us if we ask (pray)
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 6:28:15 GMT -5
"Thy will be done in earth As it is in heaven. "
for eternity amen
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 9:52:02 GMT -5
Interesting to study the first recorded prayers Of the OT First Abraham plea to save sodom-gamorah and Moses plea to save His people
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Post by jondough on Dec 22, 2015 10:42:03 GMT -5
Here's what I've come to the conclusion of in my spiritual journey as a believer;
As believers we believe that; 1. God knows all, sees all, wiser than we can comprehend, omniscient, merciful, loving, caring, full of grace, so powerful he can create, knows our heart, knows our thoughts...etc etc.....
So if we believe the above, why in the world would we request anything from him? It would only be a wild guess as to whether it's in his will or not. If it is, then I guess it's answered, but if it isn't then we guessed wrong.
Jesus simply said "thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
Seems to me that we can always thank him. He probably doesn't ever get tired of that. We can tell him we love him. Probably doesn't get tired of that. But the rest is mainly a type of meditation, or even working of the Holy Spirit to change our own frame of mind.
If we think we need to make all these request...then we don't truly believe the above. In Mat10's example of why no one has ever prayed for a new limb and got one...If that was his will, he wouldn't have let that person lose it in the first place.
I think many request prayers by believers is simply a lack in true faith that a God REALLY is in control of all things, and all things will happen according to his will.
Just my take at this juncture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 11:09:02 GMT -5
Here's what I've come to the conclusion of in my spiritual journey as a believer; As believers we believe that; 1. God knows all, sees all, wiser than we can comprehend, omniscient, merciful, loving, caring, full of grace, so powerful he can create, knows our heart, knows our thoughts...etc etc..... So if we believe the above, why in the world would we request anything from him? It would only be a wild guess as to whether it's in his will or not. If it is, then I guess it's answered, but if it isn't then we guessed wrong. Jesus simply said "thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". Seems to me that we can always thank him. He probably doesn't ever get tired of that. We can tell him we love him. Probably doesn't get tired of that. But the rest is mainly a type of meditation, or even working of the Holy Spirit to change our own frame of mind. If we think we need to make all these request...then we don't truly believe the above. In Mat10's example of why no one has ever prayed for a new limb and got one...If that was his will, he wouldn't have let that person lose it in the first place. I think many request prayers by believers is simply a lack in true faith that a God REALLY is in control of all things, and all things will happen according to his will. Just my take at this juncture. Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Joh_14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Joh_14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh_15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Joh_16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. Joh_16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
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Post by jondough on Dec 22, 2015 11:12:07 GMT -5
Here's what I've come to the conclusion of in my spiritual journey as a believer; As believers we believe that; 1. God knows all, sees all, wiser than we can comprehend, omniscient, merciful, loving, caring, full of grace, so powerful he can create, knows our heart, knows our thoughts...etc etc..... So if we believe the above, why in the world would we request anything from him? It would only be a wild guess as to whether it's in his will or not. If it is, then I guess it's answered, but if it isn't then we guessed wrong. Jesus simply said "thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". Seems to me that we can always thank him. He probably doesn't ever get tired of that. We can tell him we love him. Probably doesn't get tired of that. But the rest is mainly a type of meditation, or even working of the Holy Spirit to change our own frame of mind. If we think we need to make all these request...then we don't truly believe the above. In Mat10's example of why no one has ever prayed for a new limb and got one...If that was his will, he wouldn't have let that person lose it in the first place. I think many request prayers by believers is simply a lack in true faith that a God REALLY is in control of all things, and all things will happen according to his will. Just my take at this juncture. Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Joh_14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Joh_14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh_15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh_16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Joh_16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. Joh_16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
I love that song by Garth Brooks that says something like this: "some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers". This is why Jesus gave us the example: "Thy will be done"...pretty much covers it.
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 11:15:24 GMT -5
In other word, if we are happy and content.
We have everything that we could ever pray to have. The true essence of living Life at the best :the high road.
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Post by jondough on Dec 22, 2015 11:28:57 GMT -5
I like Paul's words; "Whatsoever state we are in, be content".
I wonder if all those request that Jesus was talking about above, if he was referring to changes that need to be made in our own life?
It was obviously not just an open invitation to ANY request. In other words he stated: "Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." So if I requested that a person could grow an arm back that they lost, would it happen?
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Post by Lee on Dec 22, 2015 11:39:19 GMT -5
"Some of God's greatest gifts" ... that's a nice song.
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 11:39:56 GMT -5
Pray in faith , believing.
What is faith? The evidence of things not seen. (material things) . Our spiritual hope concerning the unseen reality contrasted against the material world around us.
In other words pray more for the things that increase our faith . Less for material things, imo
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 11:46:20 GMT -5
If we have faith as a grain of mustard seed We could remove a mountain.
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 12:00:07 GMT -5
The potential energy and its DNA stored in the mustard seed gives a huge path to grow and to be useful to the natural world.
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 12:42:29 GMT -5
DNA is to the mustard seed , as faith is to humanity. unseen to human eyes but the evidence of them being real is overwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 13:18:21 GMT -5
I like Paul's words; "Whatsoever state we are in, be content". I wonder if all those request that Jesus was talking about above, if he was referring to changes that need to be made in our own life? It was obviously not just an open invitation to ANY request. In other words he stated: "Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." So if I requested that a person could grow an arm back that they lost, would it happen? I think too many people doubt Gods power is why it doesn't happen...
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Post by jondough on Dec 22, 2015 13:52:16 GMT -5
I like Paul's words; "Whatsoever state we are in, be content". I wonder if all those request that Jesus was talking about above, if he was referring to changes that need to be made in our own life? It was obviously not just an open invitation to ANY request. In other words he stated: "Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." So if I requested that a person could grow an arm back that they lost, would it happen? I think too many people doubt Gods power is why it doesn't happen... Really? I think there are people like Nathan that don't doubt one bit. I know of many others that I can say do not doubt the power of God. I still don't think that if they prayed for an severed arm to be replaced, that it would happen. Again, it's not an open ended invitation to pray for anything. What if someone prayed for harm to come to someone else? Why cannot we all pray that ISIS could become loving peaceful people? Let's all pray that no one dies by the hands of ISIS after today.
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 14:33:11 GMT -5
He could and will answer that prayer, guaranteed.
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Post by rational on Dec 22, 2015 15:31:27 GMT -5
I agree - if the prayer is vague enough and not given a time frame and the observer is not too particular when it comes to claiming whether the prayer was answered or not. Some have claimed that they prayed for "A" and then a few years later "B" happened and they decided that it was what god thought should have been prayed for so it was counted as an answered prayer. Selection bias is a prayer's best friend! I was thinking more along the lines that prayer works in its effect on the pray-er's heart rate, respiration, sense of peace, mental focus, etc. You can think along those lines. I also think there is a large placebo effect that cannot be denied. It has also been found that when people know others are praying for them they have better results. I think we are both saying that if a person wants to show prayer works they can find a way to prove it to themselves.
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Post by xna on Dec 22, 2015 18:31:45 GMT -5
2015 Prayer...
"May The Force Be With You"
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Post by Yes on Dec 22, 2015 18:39:11 GMT -5
The mustard seed , only feeds on what benefiting it's growth. Like pure seeds of faith. All other nutrients in soil left behind.It can flourish in soils that contain many contaminating elements.
Mustard seeds have yet to be made"hybrid". Just like Faith in God cannot be of another blueprint.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Dec 22, 2015 19:01:54 GMT -5
Some things to meditate about: Why did G-D want Moses to lead His people out of Egypt? Why did He give them 10 commandments? Why was He grieved with the idolatry? G-D can help us if we ask (pray) ok, Guest, maybe it's time to talk about the Bible. I'll open a thread.
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Post by xna on Dec 22, 2015 19:20:43 GMT -5
Mustard seeds have yet to be made"hybrid". Just like Faith in God cannot be of another blueprint. www.pioneer.com/web/site/india/products/mustard/Pioneer ® Brand Mustard Hybrids 45S42 – It is a high yielding hybrid medium maturity hybrid (125 -130 days) with bold grains and high pod density. It performs consistently across all soil condition. 45S35 – High yielding early maturity hybrid with attractive grain color. 45S46 – A high yielding medium maturity hybrid with bold grain and better oil percentage.
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Post by Gene on Dec 22, 2015 19:29:23 GMT -5
Mustard seeds have yet to be made"hybrid". Just like Faith in God cannot be of another blueprint. www.pioneer.com/web/site/india/products/mustard/Pioneer ® Brand Mustard Hybrids 45S42 – It is a high yielding hybrid medium maturity hybrid (125 -130 days) with bold grains and high pod density. It performs consistently across all soil condition. 45S35 – High yielding early maturity hybrid with attractive grain color. 45S46 – A high yielding medium maturity hybrid with bold grain and better oil percentage. MT17.20 - A high yielding instant maturity pure strain with extraordinary faith percentage; plant seeds well apart: has been known to make ambulatory mountains out of molehills.
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Post by xna on Dec 22, 2015 19:41:27 GMT -5
www.pioneer.com/web/site/india/products/mustard/Pioneer ® Brand Mustard Hybrids 45S42 – It is a high yielding hybrid medium maturity hybrid (125 -130 days) with bold grains and high pod density. It performs consistently across all soil condition. 45S35 – High yielding early maturity hybrid with attractive grain color. 45S46 – A high yielding medium maturity hybrid with bold grain and better oil percentage. MT17.20 - A high yielding instant maturity pure strain with extraordinary faith percentage; plant seeds well apart: has been known to make ambulatory mountains out of molehills. LU17V6 - is a real grower, so said a sower
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Post by rational on Dec 23, 2015 11:06:40 GMT -5
The mustard seed , only feeds on what benefiting it's growth. Like pure seeds of faith. All other nutrients in soil left behind.It can flourish in soils that contain many contaminating elements. How is this different from, for example, the bulrush? This will come as a surprise to the people at Park Seed among others! Hybrid Mustard.Do you just make up facts to support the story of the day?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 17:36:42 GMT -5
Here's what I've come to the conclusion of in my spiritual journey as a believer; As believers we believe that; 1. God knows all, sees all, wiser than we can comprehend, omniscient, merciful, loving, caring, full of grace, so powerful he can create, knows our heart, knows our thoughts...etc etc...... Jondough, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that God knows all and sees all? This is not a trick question. Matt10
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Post by jondough on Dec 23, 2015 18:14:10 GMT -5
Here's what I've come to the conclusion of in my spiritual journey as a believer; As believers we believe that; 1. God knows all, sees all, wiser than we can comprehend, omniscient, merciful, loving, caring, full of grace, so powerful he can create, knows our heart, knows our thoughts...etc etc...... Jondough, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that God knows all and sees all? This is not a trick question. Matt10 Something taught to us from before we can remember. Please understand that I am NOT conclusive in what my understanding who/what God is. I've said many times that I don't even begin to understand, or feel we even have the ability to understand who/what he is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:24:22 GMT -5
Jondough, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that God knows all and sees all? This is not a trick question. Matt10 Something taught to us from before we can remember. Please understand that I am NOT conclusive in what my understanding who/what God is. I've said many times that I don't even begin to understand, or feel we even have the ability to understand who/what he is. Thanks for that. I always welcome a little uncertainty in an answer. As others have pointed out, certainty as regards the things of God is an unhelpful travel companion in the serious search for God journey. Matt10
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Post by jondough on Dec 23, 2015 18:28:19 GMT -5
Something taught to us from before we can remember. Please understand that I am NOT conclusive in what my understanding who/what God is. I've said many times that I don't even begin to understand, or feel we even have the ability to understand who/what he is. Thanks for that. I always welcome a little uncertainty in an answer. As others have pointed out, certainty as regards the things of God is an unhelpful travel companion in the serious search for God journey. Matt10 I think if we really pinned down who on this board is most certain that they know who/what God is, we all know who that would be. The same guy that is certain about a lot of other celestial beings that we all think rediculous. Yes, I see the irony in us thinking him rediculous.
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