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Post by emy on Jul 24, 2015 15:41:24 GMT -5
That's a great statement, Nate:
~~ ALL of the early workers and friends were from all different denominations but they felt and knew something wasn't right! So they were brought together by the Spirit as ONE in mind and spirit.
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2015 16:10:29 GMT -5
Even if she believes in Rudolph?  Oh I totally believe there is a Rudolph.  |
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2015 16:13:23 GMT -5
Does this mean I'm going to hell if I don't believe in Santa Claus!!  Yes. Well I don't think I can go to hell twice and I'm already doomed because I'm not a Christian so.... But I do believe in Rudolph, does that redeem me in any way?  |
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 16:14:25 GMT -5
And many people who joined realised the spirit in meetings was not right. I'm amazed that many people who have left and gone to different denominations are of one mind and spirit because their belief is in Jesus alone and not a church.
As long as people believe the workers are the way there will be unity of spirit in meetings but when you let this go and see Jesus only as the way then the fellowship will be scattered as that is what binds them in unity of spirit. The same could be said of JWS and other exclusive sects. As an earlier thread said this is the glue which holds them together.
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 16:35:28 GMT -5
Well I don't think I can go to hell twice and I'm already doomed because I'm not a Christian so.... But I do believe in Rudolph, does that redeem me in any way? Pope Francis said that there was room for our pets in paradise (a loose paraphrase, likely), so I would assume that there would also be room for animal lovers in paradise! (So Rudolph might just save your skin  ) |
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Post by fixit on Jul 24, 2015 16:49:23 GMT -5
Well I don't think I can go to hell twice and I'm already doomed because I'm not a Christian so.... But I do believe in Rudolph, does that redeem me in any way? Pope Francis said that there was room for our pets in paradise (a loose paraphrase, likely), so I would assume that there would also be room for animal lovers in paradise! (So Rudolph might just save your skin ) I'm not sure about your avatar cat though... |
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 16:51:26 GMT -5
Pope Francis said that there was room for our pets in paradise (a loose paraphrase, likely), so I would assume that there would also be room for animal lovers in paradise! (So Rudolph might just save your skin ) I'm not sure about your avatar cat though... He'd have to go through some serious Isaiah 11:6 training for sure |
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 16:51:59 GMT -5
Don't forget there's purgatory as a stop off point on the way there too. Perhaps a resting place where you can change your mind at the last minute.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2015 17:13:33 GMT -5
Well, most of the early days workers came out from RCC and Protestant denominations... So they knew something was NOT right and began going back to follow Jesus and the apostles teachings. I feel the same way when I was a RCC and a Pentecostal believer. There is no plus way... follow Jesus as Paul wrote " Follow me as I follow Christ." If the preachers don't follow Christ's teachings then do NOT follow them. Jesus said, "If the blind leads the blind both shall FALL into the ditch." This is what most of the friends and workers are doing! following Christ and those who teach His doctrines. If you don't believe it, is your choice. We know you're no longer believe in God. However, You're welcome to join the 40,000 plus denomination churches of your choice take your pick, when you changed your mind.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 24, 2015 17:29:17 GMT -5
Pope Francis said that there was room for our pets in paradise (a loose paraphrase, likely), so I would assume that there would also be room for animal lovers in paradise! (So Rudolph might just save your skin ) I'm not sure about your avatar cat though... I would think her avatar kitty definitely puts her on the edge! |
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Post by xna on Jul 24, 2015 17:43:32 GMT -5
The animals are flesh and blood, right? We know flesh and blood can NOT enter into the kingdom of God. We also know the animals do NOT have souls. My question is how can the animals be in heaven? I think Pope Francis is pulling our legs! about having animal pets in heaven. Well, take good cares of your pets and show them much love now, because they will not be in heaven with you. |
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 18:01:45 GMT -5
The animals are flesh and blood, right? We know flesh and blood can NOT enter into the kingdom of God. We also know the animals do NOT have souls. My question is how can the animals be in heaven? I think Pope Francis is pulling our legs! about having animal pets in heaven. Well, take good cares of your pets and show them much love now, because they will not be in heaven with you. As horse crazy as I am, I'm planning to work in the heavenly stables. And where there are horses, there is hay; where there is hay, there are mice; and where there are mice, there will my cat be also. |
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2015 18:11:03 GMT -5
The animals are flesh and blood, right? We know flesh and blood can NOT enter into the kingdom of God. We also know the animals do NOT have souls. My question is how can the animals be in heaven? I think Pope Francis is pulling our legs! about having animal pets in heaven. Well, take good cares of your pets and show them much love now, because they will not be in heaven with you. If there are no animals in heaven then how does Jesus come back riding a horse? Also, the lion and the lamb laying down together. If there are no animals in heaven then heaven is a lessor place because of it. Not a place I would want to be if there are no animals. |
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2015 18:17:00 GMT -5
Animals do NOT have souls... flesh and blood go back to the dust. Jesus said "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of God." Animals can't be born again so Can you explain to me how the animals will be in heaven? Maybe only humans need souls to get in. Maybe animals automatically get in because they can't sin? Remember Nathan, God can do anything he wants so he can have animals and have different conditions and rules for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:29:10 GMT -5
Don't forget there's purgatory as a stop off point on the way there too. Perhaps a resting place where you can change your mind at the last minute. Mary, purgatory is not as popular now as it used to be. I think it became too expensive to go there. Some even think that it is not there anymore. So when you plan the trip you only have two choices now, heaven or hell. Makes it a bit easier. Have checked the airlines, nobody is taking bookings for purgatory. Virgin are taking bookings for heaven. Nobody seems to be taking bookings for hell, maybe it is gone as a destination. Perhaps like purgatory, it never ever existed. |
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 18:40:37 GMT -5
Animals do NOT have souls... flesh and blood go back to the dust. Jesus said "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of God." Animals can't be born again so Can you explain to me how the animals will be in heaven? Maybe only humans need souls to get in. Maybe animals automatically get in because they can't sin? Remember Nathan, God can do anything he wants so he can have animals and have different conditions and rules for them. I believe Pope Francis used the word "paradise." He might have been thinking of the new earth (paradise using the meaning of a garden) rather than heaven. After all, why would God not repopulate the world with the animals He created in the first place? Rudolph might actually be able to fly someday |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:43:24 GMT -5
Don't forget there's purgatory as a stop off point on the way there too. Perhaps a resting place where you can change your mind at the last minute. Mary, purgatory is not as popular now as it used to be. I think it became too expensive to go there. Some even think that it is not there anymore. So when you plan the trip you only have two choices now, heaven or hell. Makes it a bit easier. Have checked the airlines, nobody is taking bookings for purgatory. Virgin are taking bookings for heaven. Nobody seems to be taking bookings for hell, maybe it is gone as a destination. Perhaps like purgatory, it never ever existed.
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believe in ALL of Catholic doctrines, including purgatory,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
Old Shep he has gone
Where the good doggies go
And no more with old Shep will I roam
But if dogs have a heaven
There's one thing I know
Old Shep has a wonderful home
My Bella will be there with Shep.
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 18:52:20 GMT -5
Mary, purgatory is not as popular now as it used to be. I think it became too expensive to go there. Some even think that it is not there anymore. So when you plan the trip you only have two choices now, heaven or hell. Makes it a bit easier. Have checked the airlines, nobody is taking bookings for purgatory. Virgin are taking bookings for heaven. Nobody seems to be taking bookings for hell, maybe it is gone as a destination. Perhaps like purgatory, it never ever existed.
If you believe in the Trinity then of course you must
believe in ALL of Catholic doctrines, including purgatory,
indulgences, the Assumption of Mary, Papal Infallability
and the like. That is not true. The belief in the Trinity has a far wider audience than the Catholics, no matter how you think the doctrine was developed. And please, don't derail this thread with Trinity talk....please!!!! |
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 19:07:03 GMT -5
I believe Pope Francis used the word "paradise." He might have been thinking of the new earth (paradise using the meaning of a garden) rather than heaven. After all, why would God not repopulate the world with the animals He created in the first place? Rudolph might actually be able to fly someday
Acts 10:9-14 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. Nathan, no one in this discussion is worshipping them as gods that I know of. But yes, we aren't to worship them (although my cat does not agree). And I don't think God gave man animals to eat until after the fall. Genesis 1:29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 3 |
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Post by xna on Jul 24, 2015 19:43:10 GMT -5
Animals do NOT have souls... flesh and blood go back to the dust. Jesus said "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of God." Animals can't be born again so Can you explain to me how the animals will be in heaven?. No |
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 19:56:10 GMT -5
The thread is Doug Parker.........evolution is doing it's job again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:06:56 GMT -5
I've talked to workers about Irvine, overseers too, and never got the impression it wasn't open for discussion. I've actually been surprised by the topics workers have been more than willing to discuss.
I asked when it all started when
I was young and I was told about
the early Workers in Ireland.
Can't remember Irvine's name
being mentioned - but my memory
isn't what it used to be.
Given the "sins of omission"
employed by Parker and others I
wouldn't be surprised if Irvine
had a lot less involvement than
he liked to make out. He had some
seriously weird ideas - what I read
today makes him sound like he was
reading JW doctrines, too.
As for this "researching" things
by going to Ireland - it's a bit
like me going to Ephesus in Turkey
to "research" early home churches
to justify the one I go to now.
And some of the people researching
or reading this Irvine stuff openly
display an ignorance of the bible.
I gave away my Secret Sect copy,
bought another but lost it - there's
that memory again - but I really
wanted to study how Parker himself
imagined that first church operated.
And also, what was it that made him
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2015 20:16:25 GMT -5
I've talked to workers about Irvine, overseers too, and never got the impression it wasn't open for discussion. I've actually been surprised by the topics workers have been more than willing to discuss.
I asked when it all started when
I was young and I was told about
the early Workers in Ireland.
Can't remember Irvine's name
being mentioned - but my memory
isn't what it used to be.
Given the "sins of omission"
employed by Parker and others I
wouldn't be surprised if Irvine
had a lot less involvement than
he liked to make out. He had some
seriously weird ideas - what I read
today makes him sound like he was
reading JW doctrines, too.
As for this "researching" things
by going to Ireland - it's a bit
like me going to Ephesus in Turkey
to "research" early home churches
to justify the one I go to now.
And some of the people researching
or reading this Irvine stuff openly
display an ignorance of the bible.
I gave away my Secret Sect copy,
bought another but lost it - there's
that memory again - but I really
wanted to study how Parker himself
imagined that first church operated.
And also, what was it that made him
Anglican.Seems to me I read somewhere that Charles Russell the JW leader that predicted the world's end in 1914 knew William Irvine and that they shared similar ideas. It could be where some of Irvine's more strange ideas came from? www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2015 20:37:06 GMT -5
Animals do NOT have souls... flesh and blood go back to the dust. Jesus said "Ye must be born again to enter the kingdom of God." Animals can't be born again so Can you explain to me how the animals will be in heaven?
After all, we too are animals-(check it out instead of the Sci-Fic that is your usual reading.)
Maybe it is just because human animals have created a place called "heaven."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:39:06 GMT -5
When did you lose your faith Dmmichgood?
Do you think humans invented a universe which
made itself?
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Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 21:22:47 GMT -5
The thread is Doug Parker.........evolution is doing it's job again. It's all my fault. I mentioned Rudolph (you know, the red-nosed guy)....and here we are. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2015 21:38:17 GMT -5
I've talked to workers about Irvine, overseers too, and never got the impression it wasn't open for discussion. I've actually been surprised by the topics workers have been more than willing to discuss.
I asked when it all started when I was young and I was told about the early Workers in Ireland.
Can't remember Irvine's name being mentioned
Did they tell you that the **TRUTH** **THE WAY** as you know it NOW, began with those early workers?
How did they explain it?
It wouldn't seem to me unusual for them to omit everything about Irvine!
After all, he was excommunicated by them!
It would be a bit awkward to bring his name into the picture after doing that.
Then they would have to explain to you, a Newbie, -why they excommunicated him; who was , if not the leader, at least one of the main workers.
My own opinion is that whole affair was the real reason that the workers just let the knowledge of when & by whom the **TRUTH** started slip into oblivion.
It was too awkward to let all the facts be public.
The trouble with doing that, however, is that it allowed whole generations of people professing to believe that the **TRUTH** did go all the way back to the apostles.
Now don't say that didn't happen, Bert!
Because it did!
If the workers hadn't done that, why would there have been so many people as upset as they were when the Truth about **TRUTH** was first made widely known?
Even young workers, out giving their lives assuming that what they were doing went all the way back to Jesus time, believed it and became very upset!
So, - just how did the workers explain all this to you?
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