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Post by fixit on Aug 5, 2015 20:51:33 GMT -5
If TMB is such an inhospitable place, why do you keep coming back? To me, TMB is like the F&W fellowship... There are some folk who are interested in what I have to say and some folk who block my posts. Fixit, behave, and you won't get blocked again. I know you can do it. Maybe you can give Roselyn T some pointers. When she calms down I'll unblock her too.  TMB is like a train wreck - you can't look away. Plus you can get a PhD in psychology just from observing how people act and interact. The friends must be harsh where you live if it's like TMB - we've thought about visiting NZ but not that you say that I don't know.... Don't we pride ourselves on being "the same the world over"? We all have the same Irish roots. |
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Post by xna on Aug 5, 2015 20:57:01 GMT -5
One thing that has bothered me since leaving the 2x2's is what to do about a funeral. As my Wife and I are now well into our 70's the inevitable gets closer every day. So you do think about it. I have become more science minded,than religious so would not be right to ask for a Church funeral. You can request a civil person to take it, but not keen about that. So I came to the conclusion that I did not want a funeral, and told my Family so. However I never had confidence that they would comply with my wishes. They won't listen to me in life,so even less likely in death. But God is good,he heard my cry some time ago. On Sunday night there is a program on our ABC( Government Broadcaster)called "Compass". Great program on all sorts of topics. Recently they had a series on funerals, Christian, Buddhist,Muslim,etc. In the last episode they said the way to get out of a funeral was to donate your body to a University for Medical Science. My prayers were answered. On the Monday morning I contacted our local University, who have a Medical Science faculty. They said they would love to have me, ( Dead of course) and what a generous gesture. Of course it was sight unseen, they may change their mind when I arrive. They sent me the paperwork to make it legal. With help from Family,filled in paperwork and sent it back. Family did ask me to change some of my preferred options, so as to keep the peace I conceded. They are only by law allowed to keep me for maximum 8 years, unless I am a special specimen, which can be kept for evermore.Don't think I will make the "A"list. When they are finished with me I will be cremated and ashes returned to Family. To top it all off, our Daughter is going to get my Wife's ashes, and mine, mix them together and have them made into a diamond. So it is a win, win, win, win, situation. No funeral, No cost, Well looked after, And end up as a gem. Our Daughter studied recently at the same University. We went to her graduation, where she obtained her Bachelor of Nursing degree. After the ceremony, she took us on a tour of the Health wing. We came across an Anatomy Lab for Medical students. I asked her if we could take a look as door was locked. She asked the head of Nursing if we could, but as it was a restricted area, permission was not granted. But we were allowed to look through the windows. All looked good to me, became very excited. Some may say I am facetious, but look forward to going there, think it will be fun. They are very respectful, strict protocols. On graduation day they hold a ceremony, in remembrance, and gratitude to donors. It is in a special remembrance garden that has been dedicated for that purpose. I now have a card in my wallet with instructions to tell anybody who finds me dead. Don't ring the Undertaker ring the University. It also gives me entrance to the University. I've wanted to do that all my life, but was unable to meet entrance standard. I am very much at peace with the choice I have made. Let there be peace. I post this information as other TMB members may wish to do the same. Easy process to sign up, much appreciated by the Universities. Great idea, I intend to do the same. |
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Post by jondough on Aug 5, 2015 21:02:17 GMT -5
Wow, I must be visiting a different TMB than some others.
I just don't feel that abused. I definetely have found no reason to block any posters.
Maybe it all happened while I was gone.....I just don't see it.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 21:16:21 GMT -5
Fixit, behave, and you won't get blocked again. I know you can do it. Maybe you can give Roselyn T some pointers. When she calms down I'll unblock her too. TMB is like a train wreck - you can't look away. Plus you can get a PhD in psychology just from observing how people act and interact. The friends must be harsh where you live if it's like TMB - we've thought about visiting NZ but not that you say that I don't know.... Don't we pride ourselves on being "the same the world over"? We all have the same Irish roots. I don't think of it that way, we aren't united about, we are united by; united by the Holy Spirit as Jesus promised in John 17. That is why you can walk into a house you have never been before and have meaningful fellowship with people you have never met before. That is the way it is here. I don't know what's going on in NZ if it's like TMB. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 21:20:19 GMT -5
Wow, I must be visiting a different TMB than some others. I just don't feel that abused. I definetely have found no reason to block any posters. Maybe it all happened while I was gone.....I just don't see it. Have you ever had Roselyn T on the attack like a horsefly on steroids? Probably not, if you had you wouldn't forget it. Yes you didn't see TMB at it's worst. When I registered it was unbelievable. It was so bad even hberry deleted her account. That should tell you something. It has gotten better. |
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Post by howitis on Aug 5, 2015 21:32:35 GMT -5
Ouch!!!!
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Post by jondough on Aug 5, 2015 21:39:51 GMT -5
At the point where I feel abused like this, I would just take another sabbatical.
Seriously, I think most people here are good sincere people. This is a discussion forum where on somethings we disagree. Some are more adamant than others to prove their point. Some are more abrasive than others in doing so. It doesn't make them a bad person.
We made it a rule at our family gatherings that we can't talk politics due to some of the arguments that erupt. Are there bad people at the table. Not at all. We love each other immensely. You wouldn't think so though, if you heard us argue over politics. Arguing religion can be as bad or worse. Especially on a forum like this where discussing and arguing your point is the entire purpose of the forum.
You just can't take it personal. I know sometimes it gets personal in the heat of the debate, but for the most part, I don't think it happens that often.
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Post by jondough on Aug 5, 2015 21:41:47 GMT -5
Wow, I must be visiting a different TMB than some others. I just don't feel that abused. I definetely have found no reason to block any posters. Maybe it all happened while I was gone.....I just don't see it. Have you ever had Roselyn T on the attack like a horsefly on steroids? Probably not, if you had you wouldn't forget it. Yes you didn't see TMB at it's worst. When I registered it was unbelievable. It was so bad even hberry deleted her account. That should tell you something. It has gotten better. wow Jesse..... |
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Post by fixit on Aug 5, 2015 21:56:44 GMT -5
Don't we pride ourselves on being "the same the world over"? We all have the same Irish roots. I don't think of it that way, we aren't united about, we are united by; united by the Holy Spirit as Jesus promised in John 17. That is why you can walk into a house you have never been before and have meaningful fellowship with people you have never met before. That is the way it is here. I don't know what's going on in NZ if it's like TMB. You're misrepresenting what I wrote. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 22:04:03 GMT -5
Do I need to use emoticons?  I'm teasing, and you have to like people at least a little bit to tease them. Roselyn barely gives you time to answer before she asks another eight questions. I got the impression she didn't really care about or think about my answers - what was I supposed to think when every answer was met by another flurry of questions? There was the distinct feeling my head was being slammed into a bowl of porridge and I was being told to eat it to prove I like it. I didn't like it, on the other hand it seemed Roselyn did like it. We both might have the wrong impression of each other. |
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Post by howitis on Aug 5, 2015 22:04:21 GMT -5
I think I like Redbacks post better, seems he's actually found real 'peace' for what was a personal dilemma for him.....good for you Redback, a cousin of mine has done the same though she is quite a church goer.....she'll be 96 this year though and it doesn't look like they'll be getting her anytime too soon!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 22:07:48 GMT -5
[quote author=" Jesse_Lackman" I'm curious why you called this a 2x2 board? I just looked at the 47 registered members who visited the board in the last 24 hours. About 10 are 2x2s. That is less than 25%. Quite a few of the 75% seem to come here just to attack the 25% and the fellowship - that is very obvious - and why there is no peace here. [/quote] Jesse, the preamble on the home page does identify this forum is about the 2x2 Church. Ex's must respect that. I agree with you some do come to attack, and they should not do that. We should be able to share thoughts,in a civil fashion. I do think there is an inherent problem between 2x2's and exe's in that there is supposed to be a wall of separation, encouraged by the Workers. Members of our own family shun us. My identity as Redback has become known, I am seen as enemy of the "Truth". This is far from the truth, as I have many professing friends that I love dearly. I have no reason to denigrate 2x2's. We know their story because we have been there, done that. Now we would like to tell our story, where we are now, but most don't want to listen, and even told not to do so by Workers. I know from a reliable source that some TMB members have been told to not take part. They read, but they do not post. That should not happen. I started this peace thread in the hope that the wall will come down. I think there are encouraging signs that it is crumbling, lets hope it goes completely. Maybe I am being over optimistic, but we should try. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 22:11:24 GMT -5
redback you are a true peacemaker. We can all learn from you!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 22:19:06 GMT -5
redback you are a true peacemaker. We can all learn from you! Thank you Jesse, greatly appreciated. Makes it worthwhile. |
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Post by howitis on Aug 5, 2015 22:20:04 GMT -5
Way to go Redback, I don't know your identity and that's fine by me. If people ask others not to post, I believe its from a perspective of where they're at in their lives not about the other person at all.
Thing is though if people think it important enough to run to the Workers and ask its probably true, they probably shouldn't be here reading or posting, none of us should be doing something or advising others to do something that could become a stumbling block should we???
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 22:22:14 GMT -5
Do I need to use emoticons? I'm teasing, and you have to like people at least a little bit to tease them. Roselyn barely gives you time to answer before she asks another eight questions. I got the impression she didn't really care about or think about my answers - what was I supposed to think when every answer was met by another flurry of questions? There was the distinct feeling my head was being slammed into a bowl of porridge and I was being told to eat it to prove I like it. I didn't like it, on the other hand it seemed Roselyn did like it. We both might have the wrong impression of each other. Just to clarify Jesse_Lackman can you please tell me when I asked you all these questions ? I do not remember interacting with you that much, so I was surprised when you blocked me ! Yes I am very direct & say it how I see it ! Also I do ask questions ! Now I know asking questions of a worker is an issue, but surely on here we can ask questions ! Also I don't think you realise a lot of things that happen in Australia, when it comes to the way CSA has been handled here it leaves a lot to be desired. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 22:27:11 GMT -5
Wow, I must be visiting a different TMB than some others. I just don't feel that abused. I definetely have found no reason to block any posters. Maybe it all happened while I was gone.....I just don't see it. Have you ever had Roselyn T on the attack like a horsefly on steroids? Probably not, if you had you wouldn't forget it. Yes you didn't see TMB at it's worst. When I registered it was unbelievable. It was so bad even hberry deleted her account. That should tell you something. It has gotten better. Mmmm don't think I need to say anything... |
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Post by howitis on Aug 5, 2015 22:28:54 GMT -5
I don't think asking questions of a worker is an issue, but obviously if it is an issue enough for people to have to run to the Workers to ask, they personally already have an issue with it!!
Prayer for Gods guidance , counsel and responding to Him is a large part of being a Christian I think.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 22:29:24 GMT -5
Have you ever had Roselyn T on the attack like a horsefly on steroids? Probably not, if you had you wouldn't forget it. Yes you didn't see TMB at it's worst. When I registered it was unbelievable. It was so bad even hberry deleted her account. That should tell you something. It has gotten better. Describing someone as like a horsefly on steroids is pretty personal. While Ros is very direct I don't recall her making up posts about others to denigrate them. She was recently accused of blaming the workers for the DV that occurred in her family - something of course that she did not too. I think most folk whether professing, Christian ex members or non believers know where most of the personal attacks have come from in the last 12 or so months and they are from a senior leader in your church. I don't know what you think about this but most ex-members think two things - not a great advertisement for your church and secondly that we don't have to say a lot when the church shoots itself in the foot like that.. Thanks Ross, of course Jesse_Lackman doesn't comment on Review, accusing me of blaming the workers for DV in my family (which I did not do). |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 22:42:20 GMT -5
redback you are a true peacemaker. We can all learn from you! Thank you Jesse, greatly appreciated. Makes it worthwhile. Anyone who thinks ill of you or that friends should not read or post here need to read your thread "To Where You Are". I still think it is one of the best ever on TMB and it touches my heart every time I think about it. The story you told one year after you posted the thread should make any critic shut up and be ashamed. Read -->> To Where You Are then take a moment of silence... |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 23:18:55 GMT -5
Have you ever had Roselyn T on the attack like a horsefly on steroids? Probably not, if you had you wouldn't forget it. Yes you didn't see TMB at it's worst. When I registered it was unbelievable. It was so bad even hberry deleted her account. That should tell you something. It has gotten better. Mmmm don't think I need to say anything... Other than that I didn't join TMB until 2010 ! |
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Post by howitis on Aug 5, 2015 23:34:50 GMT -5
Yes Redback, (and no I don't know who you are), I thought I read somewhere about some friends of yours looking at Bens memorial and then I realised who he was, I visited there the other day also. Very late condolences to you and yours.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 23:57:42 GMT -5
I don't think asking questions of a worker is an issue, but obviously if it is an issue enough for people to have to run to the Workers to ask, they personally already have an issue with it!! Prayer for Gods guidance , counsel and responding to Him is a large part of being a Christian I think. Who said anything about "running to a worker to ask a question" ? If a professing person marries an "outsider" the workers are pretty quick to come and ask questions, but if you were to ask "where does it say the workers have the right to stand anyone down in the Bible" that would be a question that should not be asked ! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 0:03:35 GMT -5
If TMB is such an inhospitable place, why do you keep coming back? To me, TMB is like the F&W fellowship... There are some folk who are interested in what I have to say and some folk who block my posts. Fixit, behave, and you won't get blocked again. I know you can do it. Maybe you can give Roselyn T some pointers. When she calms down I'll unblock her too. TMB is like a train wreck - you can't look away. Plus you can get a PhD in psychology just from observing how people act and interact. The friends must be harsh where you live if it's like TMB - we've thought about visiting NZ but not that you say that I don't know.... hey there cuzzy i live in NZ you are most welcome |
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Post by howitis on Aug 6, 2015 0:19:28 GMT -5
I asked it and I'm still alive!!!
I wasn't told it was wrong to ask, I did however feel that the portion of scripture given did not suit my circumstance, which later was proven and I received an apology.
Workers are human and are just as capable of erring or having the wrong spirit as any one of us.
I just know some people feel the need of asking this and that of the Workers even over very small things, I understand some may want to do 'what's right' by the Workers or others and therefore in this they have to then accept what the Workers would say......it works both ways!
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 6, 2015 0:32:10 GMT -5
I asked it and I'm still alive!!! I wasn't told it was wrong to ask, I did however feel that the portion of scripture given did not suit my circumstance, which later was proven and I received an apology. Workers are human and are just as capable of erring or having the wrong spirit as any one of us. I just know some people feel the need of asking this and that of the Workers even over very small things, I understand some may want to do 'what's right' by the Workers or others and therefore in this they have to then accept what the Workers would say......it works both ways! Well I am glad that you got an apology, I wonder how a lot of other people who were in the same place who never received an apology feel? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 0:36:35 GMT -5
Do I need to use emoticons? I'm teasing, and you have to like people at least a little bit to tease them. Roselyn barely gives you time to answer before she asks another eight questions. I got the impression she didn't really care about or think about my answers - what was I supposed to think when every answer was met by another flurry of questions? There was the distinct feeling my head was being slammed into a bowl of porridge and I was being told to eat it to prove I like it. I didn't like it, on the other hand it seemed Roselyn did like it. We both might have the wrong impression of each other. same here |
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Post by jondough on Aug 6, 2015 0:41:32 GMT -5
I don't think asking questions of a worker is an issue, but obviously if it is an issue enough for people to have to run to the Workers to ask, they personally already have an issue with it!! Prayer for Gods guidance , counsel and responding to Him is a large part of being a Christian I think. Who said anything about "running to a worker to ask a question" ? If a professing person marries an "outsider" the workers are pretty quick to come and ask questions, but if you were to ask "where does it say the workers have the right to stand anyone down in the Bible" that would be a question that should not be asked ! Ros, How long ago were you a part of our fellowship? You are correct that this use to happen years ago. It isn't that way any more. I would say that a lot of our new converts as of late have been because of those that have married "outside". This is the case in my area at least. Not sure about other countries. |
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I'm teasing, and you have to like people at least a little bit to tease them. Roselyn barely gives you time to answer before she asks another eight questions. I got the impression she didn't really care about or think about my answers - what was I supposed to think when every answer was met by another flurry of questions? There was the distinct feeling my head was being slammed into a bowl of porridge and I was being told to eat it to prove I like it. I didn't like it, on the other hand it seemed Roselyn did like it. 
