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Post by fixit on Jul 9, 2015 15:57:40 GMT -5
Just a note...This is the same thing that was happening when we started TLC to get away from that very thing. I've deleted many posts for the exact same reason. Sometimes I wonder if snarky posts are ones that should be posted. Especially when you see nearly 100% snark from exe posters like Roselyn T. It helps lot to block snarky posters like that. Wow, that's an ugly post from Jesse! Is it cyber-bullying? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 10:53:58 GMT -5
withlove, I have no idea how to do that. I find for myself I have a much easier time being nicer, if I take the time to read and meditate on the word of God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 19:53:57 GMT -5
Watched an interesting program on TV the other morning. The discussion was that our personality, character, make up is all contained in our DNA. Therefore we have little to do with it, it is God given, comes with our DNA that is individual to each person. So to some extent how we conduct our lives is predetermined. Some are born to be outgoing, carefree, and happy, others are born to be introverts, shy, and perhaps unhappy. It made sense to me, that God determines our life, and how it will be.
I have always felt that my conscience is God's voice speaking to me. If I do the wrong thing during the day, I find it hard to sleep at night. I have a troubled conscience, and try to put the matter right next day. Although my Wife might dispute this, as she says I have a brand new conscience, never been used.
So maybe we should be more tolerant of each other, we are what we are because of our DNA, and that is God given. My Wife also says our DNA is our soul. It belongs to us alone. Some by their nature are happy to be 2x2's, others like myself would never be happy there. So let us not fight about it, but accept it is what God intended.
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Post by hberry on Aug 4, 2015 20:12:12 GMT -5
snip So maybe we should be more tolerant of each other, we are what we are because of our DNA, and that is God given. My Wife also says our DNA is our soul. It belongs to us alone. Some by their nature are happy to be 2x2's, others like myself would never be happy there. So let us not fight about it, but accept it is what God intended. I had a similar thought while reading another post; thanks for the post. |
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Post by fixit on Aug 4, 2015 20:18:46 GMT -5
Watched an interesting program on TV the other morning. The discussion was that our personality, character, make up is all contained in our DNA. Therefore we have little to do with it, it is God given, comes with our DNA that is individual to each person. So to some extent how we conduct our lives is predetermined. Some are born to be outgoing, carefree, and happy, others are born to be introverts, shy, and perhaps unhappy. It made sense to me, that God determines our life, and how it will be. I have always felt that my conscience is God's voice speaking to me. If I do the wrong thing during the day, I find it hard to sleep at night. I have a troubled conscience, and try to put the matter right next day. Although my Wife might dispute this, as she says I have a brand new conscience, never been used. So maybe we should be more tolerant of each other, we are what we are because of our DNA, and that is God given. My Wife also says our DNA is our soul. It belongs to us alone. Some by their nature are happy to be 2x2's, others like myself would never be happy there. So let us not fight about it, but accept it is what God intended. I "like" the last two paragraphs but I would need some convincing to accept the first paragraph. It looks like a cop-out, to blame God for everything that's wrong with us. Also, family bonds formed during the first five years of life (or lack thereof) have a huge impact on how a person behaves throughout a lifetime. |
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Post by placid-void on Aug 4, 2015 20:50:46 GMT -5
I "like" the last two paragraphs but I would need some convincing to accept the first paragraph. It looks like a cop-out, to blame God for everything that's wrong with us. Also, family bonds formed during the first five years of life (or lack thereof) have a huge impact on how a person behaves throughout a lifetime. Just a quick comment. This is a fascinating area of discussion. There has been a most vigorous debate in the scientific/sociology literature for some time now. The debate is often framed as the "nature vs. nurture" debate. For many years the sociologists have held the upper hand with their "blank slate" hypothesis, arguing that we are each the product of our environment and "nurturing". Over the last 10-15 years or so with the new neuro-sciences and genetic technologies and the more rigorous experimental designs in the scientific disciplines there is a growing body of evidence that our genetic makeup does, in fact, play an important and significant role in our personality development. At the moment, as a spectator from the sidelines, I will be going with the safe bet that our ultimate understandings will hold that both nature (our genetic make-up) and nurture (the environment in which we develop our personalities) will be of significant importance. My sense is that such a position leaves plenty of room for "God" but it also provides space for us to take full responsibility for our own actions and provides us with room to grow into the purpose of our own lives (whether guided by the "Holy Spirit" or motivated by our own quest for meaning). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 20:56:47 GMT -5
Fixit not blaming God. There is always good and bad in everything. That also applies to our DNA, it would be presumptuous of us to think we understand the mind of God. We don't know the answers. It is not a cop out, just a thought that our lives are predetermined by God, and we have little say in it. Controlled by our DNA.
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Post by fixit on Aug 4, 2015 20:58:31 GMT -5
I "like" the last two paragraphs but I would need some convincing to accept the first paragraph. It looks like a cop-out, to blame God for everything that's wrong with us. Also, family bonds formed during the first five years of life (or lack thereof) have a huge impact on how a person behaves throughout a lifetime. Just a quick comment. This is a fascinating area of discussion. There has been a most vigorous debate in the scientific/sociology literature for some time now. The debate is often framed as the "nature vs. nurture" debate. For many years the sociologists have held the upper hand with their "blank slate" hypothesis, arguing that we are each the product of our environment and "nurturing". Over the last 10-15 years or so with the new neuro-sciences and genetic technologies and the more rigorous experimental designs in the scientific disciplines there is a growing body of evidence that our genetic makeup does, in fact, play an important and significant role in our personality development. At the moment, as a spectator from the sidelines, I will be going with the safe bet that our ultimate understandings will hold that both nature (our genetic make-up) and nurture (the environment in which we develop our personalities) will be of significant importance. My sense is that such a position leaves plenty of room for "God" but it also provides space for us to take full responsibility for our own actions and provides us with room to grow into the purpose of our own lives (whether guided by the "Holy Spirit" or motivated by our own quest for meaning). Thanks for your input Ynot. I can accept that genetics plays a part but I think it would be a dangerous concept to conclude that our problems are all genetic. If that was the case there would be some merit in Hitler's approach to the world's problems. |
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Post by rational on Aug 4, 2015 21:00:04 GMT -5
So maybe we should be more tolerant of each other, we are what we are because of our DNA, and that is God given. My Wife also says our DNA is our soul. It belongs to us alone. Some by their nature are happy to be 2x2's, others like myself would never be happy there. So let us not fight about it, but accept it is what God intended. That sheds light on, for example, a murderer and brings into question whether the individual should be punished for being what god has made them. |
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Post by rational on Aug 4, 2015 21:01:29 GMT -5
Fixit not blaming God. There is always good and bad in everything. That also applies to our DNA, it would be presumptuous of us to think we understand the mind of God. We don't know the answers. It is not a cop out, just a thought that our lives are predetermined by God, and we have little say in it. Controlled by our DNA. Predestination? That doesn't feel like it fits well. |
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Post by fixit on Aug 4, 2015 21:03:32 GMT -5
Fixit not blaming God. There is always good and bad in everything. That also applies to our DNA, it would be presumptuous of us to think we understand the mind of God. We don't know the answers. It is not a cop out, just a though that our lives are predetermined by God, and we have little say in it. Controlled by our DNA. That is problematical from a theological perspective as well. That we have little say in our lives is a dangerous concept on many levels. If I was hard-wired to have sex with children, should I be comfortable with that? |
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Post by fixit on Aug 4, 2015 21:04:57 GMT -5
So maybe we should be more tolerant of each other, we are what we are because of our DNA, and that is God given. My Wife also says our DNA is our soul. It belongs to us alone. Some by their nature are happy to be 2x2's, others like myself would never be happy there. So let us not fight about it, but accept it is what God intended. That sheds light on, for example, a murderer and brings into question whether the individual should be punished for being what god has made them. No, they shouldn't be punished, just eliminated. Clearly if God made them that way they can never be reformed, or trusted at large in society. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 21:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks to others for the debate, I respect your point of view. Do we really know the answer, I think not.
Maybe my thoughts have always been in this direction. My Mother used to tell me when I was about 4, I fell over on the concrete and skun my knee badly. My Mother tried to comfort me and said, "God will make it better". I was not sure about that, and said, "God made me once, he is not coming back again to fix me up". So maybe I have always believed that the job was completed in the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 21:58:33 GMT -5
I think I am in trouble and about to be carved up on a 2x2 forum. Many of you are much more learned than myself, and I respect that. My work life had a lot to do with science and I tend to think that way. I think that science presents a much larger picture than religion. God is still there in science, we are aware of that. So maybe, just maybe, there is more than just our good looks,(not referring to myself) in our DNA. Could contain our whole being, very hard to prove. God knows. I can understand if it can be proven, then there will be many people in religion out of a job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 22:04:29 GMT -5
I think I am in trouble and about to be carved up on a 2x2 forum. Many of you are much more learned than myself, and I respect that. My work life had a lot to do with science and I tend to think that way. I think that science presents a much larger picture than religion. God is still there in science, we are aware of that. So maybe, just maybe, there is more than just our good looks,(not referring to myself) in our DNA. Could contain our whole being, very hard to prove. God knows. I can understand if it can be proven, then there will be many people in religion out of a job. 
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Post by fixit on Aug 4, 2015 23:22:56 GMT -5
I think I am in trouble and about to be carved up on a 2x2 forum. Many of you are much more learned than myself, and I respect that. My work life had a lot to do with science and I tend to think that way. I think that science presents a much larger picture than religion. God is still there in science, we are aware of that. So maybe, just maybe, there is more than just our good looks,(not referring to myself) in our DNA. Could contain our whole being, very hard to prove. God knows. I can understand if it can be proven, then there will be many people in religion out of a job. You won't be carved up. You've presented a point of view and you're entitled to your opinion. |
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Post by rational on Aug 5, 2015 0:01:28 GMT -5
Many of you are much more learned than myself, and I respect that. No one knows more about your beliefs than you do. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 8:44:17 GMT -5
I think I am in trouble and about to be carved up on a 2x2 forum. I'm curious why you called this a 2x2 board? I just looked at the 47 registered members who visited the board in the last 24 hours. About 10 are 2x2s. That is less than 25%. Quite a few of the 75% seem to come here just to attack the 25% and the fellowship - that is very obvious - and why there is no peace here. |
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Post by jondough on Aug 5, 2015 11:41:47 GMT -5
I think I am in trouble and about to be carved up on a 2x2 forum. I'm curious why you called this a 2x2 board? I just looked at the 47 registered members who visited the board in the last 24 hours. About 10 are 2x2s. That is less than 25%. Quite a few of the 75% seem to come here just to attack the 25% and the fellowship - that is very obvious - and why there is no peace here. I have never felt like I was being attacked. I have been questioned for statements I have made no doubt. But that has always been good for me. It helps question myself. Make sure what i'm stating has some foundation behind it. Doesn't bother me a bit. I love the discussion from so many different point of views. Everyone should experience it. What you're left with when you're all done is something of a lot more sustenance. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 16:37:25 GMT -5
I'm curious why you called this a 2x2 board? I just looked at the 47 registered members who visited the board in the last 24 hours. About 10 are 2x2s. That is less than 25%. Quite a few of the 75% seem to come here just to attack the 25% and the fellowship - that is very obvious - and why there is no peace here. I have never felt like I was being attacked. I have been questioned for statements I have made no doubt. But that has always been good for me. It helps question myself. Make sure what i'm stating has some foundation behind it. Doesn't bother me a bit. I love the discussion from so many different point of views. Everyone should experience it. What you're left with when you're all done is something of a lot more sustenance.
A lot posted here, even some of the questions, are like clearday said; "slamming your face in a bowl of porridge and telling you to eat it to prove you like it". There is an air of superiority and authority about it. If we don't eat it, or don't like it, we are told we are blind, worker worshippers, system worshippers, brainwashed, brain-dead, and other epithets of that ilk. Google searching the word "blind" on TMB yields over 5000 results, "cult" 4300 results, "bondage" 1400 results.
Here's one for "brain dead"
The vise you've got your head stuck in is so tight every once in a while you squirt out a shot of puss. Do yourself a favor and give it a final squeeze you brain dead dinasaur |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 16:46:26 GMT -5
I have never felt like I was being attacked. I have been questioned for statements I have made no doubt. But that has always been good for me. It helps question myself. Make sure what i'm stating has some foundation behind it. Doesn't bother me a bit. I love the discussion from so many different point of views. Everyone should experience it. What you're left with when you're all done is something of a lot more sustenance.
A lot posted here, even some of the questions, are like clearday said; "slamming your face in a bowl of porridge and telling you to eat it to prove you like it". There is an air of superiority and authority about it. If we don't eat it, or don't like it, we are told we are blind, worker worshippers, system worshippers, brainwashed, brain-dead, and other epithets of that ilk. Google searching the word "blind" on TMB yields over 5000 results, "cult" 4300 results, "bondage" 1400 results.
Here's one for "brain dead"
The vise you've got your head stuck in is so tight every once in a while you squirt out a shot of puss. Do yourself a favor and give it a final squeeze you brain dead dinasaur I'm probably safe in assuming that 'Praise the Lord' is a fellow believer. Do you think your discontentment would be eased if you restricted yourself to reading the posts of non-believers in future? Matt10 |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 16:52:17 GMT -5
Ha! @matt10! I actually feel a lot of kinship with agnostics and atheists. They seem to respect believers, and each other, more than the believers of various flavors respect each other or atheists/agnostics. You get wound up once in a while but generally you're pretty nice, way nicer than some of the activist exes that keep swarming us 2x2s like a cloud of gnats. You aren't dogmatic enough to write a book. I can like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 17:23:48 GMT -5
Ha! @matt10! I actually feel a lot of kinship with agnostics and atheists. They seem to respect believers, and each other, more than the believers of various flavors respect each other or atheists/agnostics. You get wound up once in a while but generally you're pretty nice, way nicer than some of the activist exes that keep swarming us 2x2s like a cloud of gnats. You aren't dogmatic enough to write a book. I can like that. Thank you for your kind words. Of course you are most welcome to cross over to the land of unbelievers. It's really not far and the journey is not such a difficult one. I can't promise that you won't still get battered from time to time but you will soon find that the battering is much easier to withstand as over here the questions are much easier to answer. You really will get a much more interesting perspective of the world and of course you'll also get the benefit of a long lie in every Sunday and there'll be no more 'why doesn't God grow my severed arm back' type dilemmas. Matt10 |
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Post by fixit on Aug 5, 2015 18:05:37 GMT -5
I have never felt like I was being attacked. I have been questioned for statements I have made no doubt. But that has always been good for me. It helps question myself. Make sure what i'm stating has some foundation behind it. Doesn't bother me a bit. I love the discussion from so many different point of views. Everyone should experience it. What you're left with when you're all done is something of a lot more sustenance.
A lot posted here, even some of the questions, are like clearday said; "slamming your face in a bowl of porridge and telling you to eat it to prove you like it". There is an air of superiority and authority about it. If we don't eat it, or don't like it, we are told we are blind, worker worshippers, system worshippers, brainwashed, brain-dead, and other epithets of that ilk. Google searching the word "blind" on TMB yields over 5000 results, "cult" 4300 results, "bondage" 1400 results.
Here's one for "brain dead"
The vise you've got your head stuck in is so tight every once in a while you squirt out a shot of puss. Do yourself a favor and give it a final squeeze you brain dead dinasaur If TMB is such an inhospitable place, why do you keep coming back? To me, TMB is like the F&W fellowship... There are some folk who are interested in what I have to say and some folk who block my posts. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 5, 2015 19:24:06 GMT -5
A lot posted here, even some of the questions, are like clearday said; "slamming your face in a bowl of porridge and telling you to eat it to prove you like it". There is an air of superiority and authority about it. If we don't eat it, or don't like it, we are told we are blind, worker worshippers, system worshippers, brainwashed, brain-dead, and other epithets of that ilk. Google searching the word "blind" on TMB yields over 5000 results, "cult" 4300 results, "bondage" 1400 results.
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If TMB is such an inhospitable place, why do you keep coming back? To me, TMB is like the F&W fellowship... There are some folk who are interested in what I have to say and some folk who block my posts. |
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2015 20:26:09 GMT -5
If TMB is such an inhospitable place, why do you keep coming back? To me, TMB is like the F&W fellowship... There are some folk who are interested in what I have to say and some folk who block my posts. Fixit, behave, and you won't get blocked again. I know you can do it. Maybe you can give Roselyn T some pointers. When she calms down I'll unblock her too.  TMB is like a train wreck - you can't look away. Plus you can get a PhD in psychology just from observing how people act and interact. The friends must be harsh where you live if it's like TMB - we've thought about visiting NZ but not that you say that I don't know.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:26:38 GMT -5
One thing that has bothered me since leaving the 2x2's is what to do about a funeral. As my Wife and I are now well into our 70's the inevitable gets closer every day. So you do think about it. I have become more science minded,than religious so would not be right to ask for a Church funeral. You can request a civil person to take it, but not keen about that.
So I came to the conclusion that I did not want a funeral, and told my Family so. However I never had confidence that they would comply with my wishes. They won't listen to me in life,so even less likely in death.
But God is good,he heard my cry some time ago. On Sunday night there is a program on our ABC( Government Broadcaster)called "Compass". Great program on all sorts of topics. Recently they had a series on funerals, Christian, Buddhist,Muslim,etc. In the last episode they said the way to get out of a funeral was to donate your body to a University for Medical Science. My prayers were answered.
On the Monday morning I contacted our local University, who have a Medical Science faculty. They said they would love to have me, ( Dead of course) and what a generous gesture. Of course it was sight unseen, they may change their mind when I arrive. They sent me the paperwork to make it legal. With help from Family,filled in paperwork and sent it back. Family did ask me to change some of my preferred options, so as to keep the peace I conceded.
They are only by law allowed to keep me for maximum 8 years, unless I am a special specimen, which can be kept for evermore.Don't think I will make the "A"list. When they are finished with me I will be cremated and ashes returned to Family. To top it all off, our Daughter is going to get my Wife's ashes, and mine, mix them together and have them made into a diamond.
So it is a win, win, win, win, situation.
No funeral, No cost, Well looked after, And end up as a gem.
Our Daughter studied recently at the same University. We went to her graduation, where she obtained her Bachelor of Nursing degree. After the ceremony, she took us on a tour of the Health wing. We came across an Anatomy Lab for Medical students. I asked her if we could take a look as door was locked. She asked the head of Nursing if we could, but as it was a restricted area, permission was not granted. But we were allowed to look through the windows. All looked good to me, became very excited. Some may say I am facetious, but look forward to going there, think it will be fun. They are very respectful, strict protocols. On graduation day they hold a ceremony, in remembrance, and gratitude to donors. It is in a special remembrance garden that has been dedicated for that purpose.
I now have a card in my wallet with instructions to tell anybody who finds me dead. Don't ring the Undertaker ring the University. It also gives me entrance to the University. I've wanted to do that all my life, but was unable to meet entrance standard. I am very much at peace with the choice I have made. Let there be peace. I post this information as other TMB members may wish to do the same. Easy process to sign up, much appreciated by the Universities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:37:17 GMT -5
One thing that has bothered me since leaving the 2x2's is what to do about a funeral. As my Wife and I are now well into our 70's the inevitable gets closer every day. So you do think about it. I have become more science minded,than religious so would not be right to ask for a Church funeral. You can request a civil person to take it, but not keen about that. So I came to the conclusion that I did not want a funeral, and told my Family so. However I never had confidence that they would comply with my wishes. They won't listen to me in life,so even less likely in death. But God is good,he heard my cry some time ago. On Sunday night there is a program on our ABC( Government Broadcaster)called "Compass". Great program on all sorts of topics. Recently they had a series on funerals, Christian, Buddhist,Muslim,etc. In the last episode they said the way to get out of a funeral was to donate your body to a University for Medical Science. My prayers were answered. On the Monday morning I contacted our local University, who have a Medical Science faculty. They said they would love to have me, ( Dead of course) and what a generous gesture. Of course it was sight unseen, they may change their mind when I arrive. They sent me the paperwork to make it legal. With help from Family,filled in paperwork and sent it back. Family did ask me to change some of my preferred options, so as to keep the peace I conceded. They are only by law allowed to keep me for maximum 8 years, unless I am a special specimen, which can be kept for evermore.Don't think I will make the "A"list. When they are finished with me I will be cremated and ashes returned to Family. To top it all off, our Daughter is going to get my Wife's ashes, and mine, mix them together and have them made into a diamond. So it is a win, win, win, win, situation. No funeral, No cost, Well looked after, And end up as a gem. Our Daughter studied recently at the same University. We went to her graduation, where she obtained her Bachelor of Nursing degree. After the ceremony, she took us on a tour of the Health wing. We came across an Anatomy Lab for Medical students. I asked her if we could take a look as door was locked. She asked the head of Nursing if we could, but as it was a restricted area, permission was not granted. But we were allowed to look through the windows. All looked good to me, became very excited. Some may say I am facetious, but look forward to going there, think it will be fun. They are very respectful, strict protocols. On graduation day they hold a ceremony, in remembrance, and gratitude to donors. It is in a special remembrance garden that has been dedicated for that purpose. I now have a card in my wallet with instructions to tell anybody who finds me dead. Don't ring the Undertaker ring the University. It also gives me entrance to the University. I've wanted to do that all my life, but was unable to meet entrance standard. I am very much at peace with the choice I have made. Let there be peace. I post this information as other TMB members may wish to do the same. Easy process to sign up, much appreciated by the Universities. think it will be fun? your a strange creature redback.... |
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