kicking perverts off of the convention grounds

[dmmichgood]

Apr 16, 2015 12:04:19 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Looks like a good "professing" man.

Which man are you describing?"
There are 3 men in the photo.
How can you tell which is a "professing" man?
Or for that matter, if any of them are "professing" by just their looks.

Or are you deciding that they must be "professing" men since the only woman in the picture has a "professing" hair bun?

[dmmichgood]

Apr 15, 2015 6:26:20 GMT -5 bert said:

Apr 15, 2015 3:41:15 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Bert, Have you ever been kicked off a convention ground?

Actually I have - I was told by the Workers I didn't have
to spend a week with them in Preps. So I went home.

You call ,  "I was told by the Workers I didn't have to spend a week with them in Preps,"   as being "kicked off" the convention grounds?

Did    the workers tell you you had to leave?

[rational]

Apr 20, 2015 7:28:10 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Apr 19, 2015 20:22:15 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Sadly convention grounds have a lot of unsupervised trails and hidden places for a perverted person to work. I am not crazy about these trails. I don't think they should mow large expanses on grassy areas distant from the meeting and dining shed or tent.

Ah, that is where modern technology comes in to play- surveillance and hidden cameras- the unseen eyes that are watching our every move. 8-)

I thought that was god's job.

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Apr 20, 2015 23:14:40 GMT -5 rational said:

Apr 20, 2015 7:28:10 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Ah, that is where modern technology comes in to play- surveillance and hidden cameras- the unseen eyes that are watching our every move.

I thought that was god's job.

Yes, but He delegates certain jobs to us earthlings;he granted the wisdom to man to create such technology.
He created all creatures great and small and gave us life; He gave the Some birds wings so that they could and he gave man the knowledge to figure out how he could fly and that is how we are able to fly around in aero planes, gliders etc.Isnt God wonderful?

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No, I didn't find that article on a judge saying child porn is becoming the
"new norm"... but it IS becoming so, and he DID say it.

I did find a few other articles which reach that conclusion.

The number of detected crimes of people accessing illegal images of
children has gone up by 48% in four years, according to research by BBC News.
... "We need to be asking what is the male psychology that makes them view
this imagery? It's not just a few sick men, it's a much larger number."
www.bbc.com/news/uk-21507006

1 in 5 children who use a computer has been approached over the internet
by pedophiles within the past year.
(United States Department of Justice, cited on Protect Your Children On-line)

And we can't keep jailing all these people
"A man who downloaded child pornography to his computer has avoided jail after
the home secretary asked judges to limit prison terms due to overcrowding"
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6299727.stm

and we will, with time, get used to it
www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/07/outrage-as-judge-tells-the-truth-about-child-pornography/

ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

[rational]

Apr 21, 2015 7:04:02 GMT -5 bert said:

The number of detected crimes of people accessing illegal images of
children has gone up by 48% in four years, according to research by BBC News.
... "We need to be asking what is the male psychology that makes them view
this imagery? It's not just a few sick men, it's a much larger number."
www.bbc.com/news/uk-21507006

I wonder if the 48% has anything to do with the growth of the internet and the poliferation of devices that can access the resources available?

ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

Interracial marriage was also a crime.

bert, you keep mentioning pornography in relation to publications and TV. What, exactly, do you consider pornographic?

[tom]

Apr 1, 2015 11:25:55 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

I understand that the convention owner is the only person who can legally ask a pervert to stay off of the grounds. I understand that some perverted ex-workers have visited some northeastern US conventions AFTER they have been charged with CSA. I wasn't there so I only know what I have heard. I guess if someone is registered, the law might intervene independently of the grounds owner.

So Walker - you were referring only to those that have been charged and convicted of CSA?

[Deleted]

Quote - "Bert, you keep mentioning pornography in relation to publications and
TV. What, exactly, do you consider pornographic?"

I can retreat to the classic definition of porn, ie "You know it when you see it."
A woman showing her face in Saudi in public is considered "porn" (tongue in cheek!)
so defining porn is generationally difficult.
"Something about Mary" is considered an example of soft porn migrating to the
mainstream. It's considered mild these days, but even back then it was mild, and that's
how porn makes inroads.
Porn to me is exposed genitalia and breasts, sex scenes, strong sex themes, sexual
violence, bestiality etc..

Quote - "I wonder if the 48% has anything to do with the growth of the internet and the
poliferation of devices that can access the resources available?"

In a way yes, in a way no. The internet has been with us for twenty years. It does
help drive the culture, and that culture helps drive the services.

[maryhig]

Apr 20, 2015 20:51:39 GMT -5 bubbles said:

Apr 20, 2015 19:02:40 GMT -5 xna said:

You must have a godly cat.   

I've seen "evil cats" play with half alive mice then walk away without eating them.

Haha..IF a cheekymouse dared enter our domain I would hope she would kill it!!
Its my worst fear. Rats n mice.

I understand you fearing mice, I do to. But what has Rational done to you to make him your worst fear? lol

[rational]

Apr 21, 2015 17:09:13 GMT -5 bert said:

Quote - "Bert, you keep mentioning pornography in relation to publications and
TV. What, exactly, do you consider pornographic?"

"Something about Mary" is considered an example of soft porn migrating to the
mainstream. It's considered mild these days, but even back then it was mild, and that's
how porn makes inroads.

I guess I missed the nudity/porn in the movie. I do recall film props being used in 2 of the shots.

Porn to me is exposed genitalia and breasts, sex scenes, strong sex themes, sexual
violence, bestiality etc..

So for you, anything more revealing than a modest bathing suit would classify as pornography.

Quote - "I wonder if the 48% has anything to do with the growth of the internet and the
poliferation of devices that can access the resources available?"

In a way yes, in a way no. The internet has been with us for twenty years. It does
help drive the culture, and that culture helps drive the services.

Right! From Polaroid to Betamax to VCRs to digital cameras - they all benefited from porn.

[bubbles]

Apr 21, 2015 17:56:47 GMT -5 maryhig said:

Apr 20, 2015 20:51:39 GMT -5 bubbles said:

Haha..IF a cheekymouse dared enter our domain I would hope she would kill it!!
Its my worst fear. Rats n mice.

I understand you fearing mice, I do to. But what has Rational done to you to make him your worst fear? lol

Where did I say rational is my worst fear?
I dont fear him at all. 
Oh..lol you mean ratz? Haha..told ya Im slow!!

[Deleted]

I am sure the guy looking down was charged with the CSA incident in Juneau AK.. People need to be free to discuss their problems to Mr. Overseer. And especially to the law. Single men need to never be one on one around children especialy one child..If a brother worker is being put in an uncomfortable situation by a parent or companion, he should feel comfortable to say NO. Workers don't need to be babysitters even for short periods of time.

[rational]

Apr 21, 2015 19:31:13 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Single men need to never be one on one around children especialy one child.

What is your reasoning behind this? Why not married men? Or ex-military? Why not left-handed men? They are so sinister.

[curlywurlysammagee]

Apr 21, 2015 7:04:02 GMT -5 bert said:

No, I didn't find that article on a judge saying child porn is becoming the
"new norm"... but it IS becoming so, and he DID say it.

I did find a few other articles which reach that conclusion.

The number of detected crimes of people accessing illegal images of
children has gone up by 48% in four years, according to research by BBC News.
... "We need to be asking what is the male psychology that makes them view
this imagery? It's not just a few sick men, it's a much larger number."
www.bbc.com/news/uk-21507006

1 in 5 children who use a computer has been approached over the internet
by pedophiles within the past year.
(United States Department of Justice, cited on Protect Your Children On-line)

And we can't keep jailing all these people
"A man who downloaded child pornography to his computer has avoided jail after
the home secretary asked judges to limit prison terms due to overcrowding"
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6299727.stm

and we will, with time, get used to it
www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/07/outrage-as-judge-tells-the-truth-about-child-pornography/

ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

Society has moved on because for at least the first three of your four examples they are clearly not crime. 

[Deleted]

Quote - "ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc
were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

Society has moved on because for at least the first three of your four examples they are clearly not crime."

Well they were 'CLEARLY' crimes once upon a time.
Homosexuality, like adultery, attracted the death penalty
for most of Western history.
People just can't get their minds around the fact that
what we think is ethical or unethical changes with time -
and our generation has no monopoly on what is "right."
We are in the process of transit with homosexuality, narcotics
and maybe in twenty years, polygamy.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2015 19:31:13 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

I am sure the guy looking down was charged with the CSA incident in Juneau AK.. People need to be free to discuss their problems to Mr. Overseer. And especially to the law. Single men need to never be one on one around children especialy one child..If a brother worker is being put in an uncomfortable situation by a parent or companion, he should feel comfortable to say NO. Workers don't need to be babysitters even for short periods of time.

I get the point that you are making, but of course you realize that CSA is not confined to single men only. This is found within families and within homes as well. Many married fathers are caught in the trap as well.

[rational]

Apr 22, 2015 4:58:15 GMT -5 @partaker said:

I get the point that you are making, but of course you realize that CSA is not confined to single men only. This is found within families and within homes as well. Many married fathers are caught in the trap as well.

I think it high lights part of the problem. People rend their garments, put on sackcloth and ashes, and wail loudly. But when it is misdirected it focuses people's attention on the hole in the fence while the gate is left open and unwatched.

Single men in this case is a euphemism for male workers. While it is good for some people to have a scape goat the problem of child abuse is not limited to workers and by hyper focusing on that one possibility a false sense of security regarding a legion of other abuse possibilities may well be overlooked.

[slowtosee]

Apr 22, 2015 2:59:51 GMT -5 bert said:

Quote - "ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc
were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

Society has moved on because for at least the first three of your four examples they are clearly not crime."

Well they were 'CLEARLY' crimes once upon a time.
Homosexuality, like adultery, attracted the death penalty
for most of Western history.
People just can't get their minds around the fact that
what we think is ethical or unethical changes with time -
and our generation has no monopoly on what is "right."
We are in the process of transit with homosexuality, narcotics
and maybe in twenty years, polygamy.

I agree, we are always in the process of transit. Sometimes heading one direction, and a century or two later, the complete opposite. Homosexuality , divorce, polygamy , drugs, etc. have been around "forever", with society at certain points in history, embracing it or rejecting it to a greater or lesser degree, without the "electronic technology" we often credit to the changes in attitude. It wasn't very long ago that it was "criminal" here in Manitoba for a woman to vote. Imagine , women who even inwardly desired to vote, or even dared to express that desire openly, were viewed as unethical for even entertaining such a criminal thought. "In Manitoba the qualifications to vote were first established in An Act respecting the Qualification of Voters (S.M. 1872, chapter 5). Section 1 qualifies adult males. Section 4 states. “No woman shall be qualified to vote at any election for any Electoral Division whatever" Change is often for the better for society, although we instinctively and intrinsically resist it. Alvin

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Celibate men are restricted in their sexual activity and I believe celebrate priests, bro. workers and any other person FORCED to be single have more fantasies. I encourage all single men to not be one on one around children. Be safe.

[Deleted]

Apr 22, 2015 12:14:46 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Celibate men are restricted in their sexual activity and I believe celebrate priests, bro. workers and any other person FORCED to be single have more fantasies. I encourage all single men to not be one on one around children. Be safe.

Workers aren't FORCED to be single - they CHOOSE to be single.  There's nothing to stop them leaving the work and getting married if that's what they want to do.  I don't believe the truly spiritual men who stick the course are spending their time having sick fantasies about other people's children.  There'll be "tares among the wheat" till the end of time but there's still a lot of good wheat out there.  You make it sound like all single men are dangerous. 

[fixit]

Apr 22, 2015 14:30:08 GMT -5 @felicity said:

Apr 22, 2015 12:14:46 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Celibate men are restricted in their sexual activity and I believe celebrate priests, bro. workers and any other person FORCED to be single have more fantasies. I encourage all single men to not be one on one around children. Be safe.

Workers aren't FORCED to be single - they CHOOSE to be single.  There's nothing to stop them leaving the work and getting married if that's what they want to do.  I don't believe the truly spiritual men who stick the course are spending their time having sick fantasies about other people's children.  There'll be "tares among the wheat" till the end of time but there's still a lot of good wheat out there.  You make it sound like all single men are dangerous. 

Most sexual abusers of children are married men.

[dmmichgood]

Apr 22, 2015 4:58:15 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Apr 21, 2015 19:31:13 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

I am sure the guy looking down was charged with the CSA incident in Juneau AK.. People need to be free to discuss their problems to Mr. Overseer. And especially to the law. Single men need to never be one on one around children especialy one child..If a brother worker is being put in an uncomfortable situation by a parent or companion, he should feel comfortable to say NO. Workers don't need to be babysitters even for short periods of time.

I get the point that you are making, but of course you realize that CSA is not confined to single men only. This is found within families and within homes as well. Many married fathers are caught in the trap as well.

Isn't that rather a strange way to use that word?
Isn't  it the children that are   "caught in the trap?"

[Deleted]

Apr 22, 2015 17:06:54 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Apr 22, 2015 4:58:15 GMT -5 @partaker said:

I get the point that you are making, but of course you realize that CSA is not confined to single men only. This is found within families and within homes as well. Many married fathers are caught in the trap as well.

Isn't that rather a strange way to use that word?
Isn't  it the children that are   "caught in the trap?"

Not really, abusers are caught in a trap too, sometimes it takes a long time but eventually some are caught trapped in a Police draw net. I can think of one famous Australian performer who was very good at doing the kangaroo dance song, also some others also within show business including one who was full of glitter and yet others in other professions as well.
Actually there is a show on YouTube where the Police set up the traps for online predators and many are caught in the net. if you have time just google:baiting  or sting Methods  to trap online Pedophiles. See what you come up with. Chris Hansen's To catch a Predator is a good start.

[Gene]

Apr 22, 2015 2:59:51 GMT -5 bert said:

Quote - "ps "Federal crime" means next to nothing
Homosexuality, divorce, polygamy, smoking dope etc
were all once "Federal crimes"
but a progressive society has moved on.

Society has moved on because for at least the first three of your four examples they are clearly not crime."

Well they were 'CLEARLY' crimes once upon a time.
Homosexuality, like adultery, attracted the death penalty
for most of Western history.
People just can't get their minds around the fact that
what we think is ethical or unethical changes with time -
and our generation has no monopoly on what is "right."
We are in the process of transit with homosexuality, narcotics
and maybe in twenty years, polygamy.

Do I need to dredge up that Thomas Jefferson quote again?

Southeast Portico:

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

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Wonder if Thomas Jefferson would approve of the wholesale
legalization of drugs as a sign of progress, or child porn
for that matter.
Maybe a liberal society and decadence go hand in hand.

[dmmichgood]

Apr 22, 2015 23:08:30 GMT -5 bert said:

Wonder if Thomas Jefferson would approve of the wholesale legalization of drugs as a sign of progress, or child porn for that matter.
Maybe a liberal society and decadence go hand in hand.

Since we     don't have "wholesale legalization of drugs"  nor  legalization of "child porn ,"  it is a   rather moot question isn't it?

[Deleted]

We will have the wholesale legalization of narcotics
within a generation or two. As they say, Nixon's "war
on drugs" is over, and we lost.
It actually makes sense to legalize narcotics, and
treat addiction instead. Takes away a lot of the
cachet of drugs, as well as destroying drug cartels.

But kiddie porn is growing about ten percent a year.
Do the maths.

[dmmichgood]

Apr 22, 2015 23:21:23 GMT -5 bert said:

We will have the wholesale legalization of narcoticwithin a generation or two. As they say, Nixon's "war on drugs" is over, and we lost.
It actually makes sense to legalize narcotics, and treat addiction instead. Takes away a lot of the cachet of drugs, as well as destroying drug cartels.

But kiddie porn is growing about ten percent a year.
Do the maths.

Ah, we have our "seer" back again!

The  "seer" first states something is true as if it were true right NOW, -then back peddles & uses his fortune teller's crystal ball to see the future!

Child porn is NOT LEGAL,  Bert!

In fact it is punishable by prison in most countries.