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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2015 13:02:57 GMT -5
Maybe all the knowledge of 'good and evil' was just the dividing line of when we as humans, became conscious instead of entirely instinctual like animals. Animals can kill and it is neither good nor evil because they don't formulate things in these terms. Humans have developed the capacity to analyse good and evil and how it pertains to their life. I don't see that as a bad thing to know the difference, though sometimes I think it does cause us to be pretty judgmental of others which animals just don't do.
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2015 13:16:25 GMT -5
Maybe all the knowledge of 'good and evil' was just the dividing line of when we as humans, became conscious instead of entirely instinctual like animals. Animals can kill and it is neither good nor evil because they don't formulate things in these terms. Humans have developed the capacity to analyse good and evil and how it pertains to their life. I don't see that as a bad thing to know the difference, though sometimes I think it does cause us to be pretty judgmental of others which animals just don't do. Getting off topic but... Can animal other than human, be evil? Like animals that play with their prey, or kill for amusement ; Cats, Killer Whales, Dolphins, a pack of wild dogs, ... |
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2015 13:19:14 GMT -5
Maybe all the knowledge of 'good and evil' was just the dividing line of when we as humans, became conscious instead of entirely instinctual like animals. Animals can kill and it is neither good nor evil because they don't formulate things in these terms. Humans have developed the capacity to analyse good and evil and how it pertains to their life. I don't see that as a bad thing to know the difference, though sometimes I think it does cause us to be pretty judgmental of others which animals just don't do. Getting off topic but... Can animal other than human, be evil? Like animals that play with their prey, or kill for amusement ; Cats, Killer Whales, Dolphins, a pack of wild dogs, ... I don't believe animals have the ability to understand evil. As far as evil itself goes, I don't believe anything is 'evil' at least not in the sense of being caused by Satan or demon possession etc. We as humans make some judgment calls that lead to less than harmless consequences. We have the ability to assess these with our minds and judge them. But does that mean we are anymore evil because we think we understand evil? Who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 14:06:29 GMT -5
Back to the original topic. It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted.
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2015 14:18:45 GMT -5
Back to the original topic. It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted. Like Rosa Parks? Like Ernest Green, Carlotta LaNier, Jefferson Thomas, et al.? Of course, Bryan Fischer believes that even god does not go where he is not wanted. Guess it is an individual choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 14:58:19 GMT -5
No, rational, not like them. Like people going into others religious retreats, knowing they were unwanted there. However, as you say, individual choice.
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Post by Gene on Apr 17, 2015 20:51:48 GMT -5
Well that seems to be the implication, taken logically; it also seems to suggest that man has not learnt anything from Adam and Eve's experiences, we should not touch the forbidden fruit no matter how attractive and enticing it looks. Wasn't the forbidden fruit the knowledge of good and evil? This was immediately translated into nudity being wrong and spawned a clothing industry. Would mankind be better off not having the knowledge of good and evil? What, and freeze to death? |
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Post by Gene on Apr 17, 2015 20:54:38 GMT -5
TV doesn't really make you a "pervert", it changes what "pervert" means. The general population will never be "perverts" in their own eyes, but they don't mind the daily diet of bras, knickers, jock straps, boobs and bottoms which appear on any show which promises to be "adult" with "strong violence" and "sexual references" and "nudity" (Australian TV, at any rate.) So popular culture shifts the bell curve of acceptable behavior - including kiddie porn. One UK prosecutor called child porn the "new norm" with a ten percent compound growth per year. Not that I really want to know for any, you know, personal reason; purely academic interest, of course; but if you don't mind, could you please share which TV shows provide a daily diet of jock straps? |
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 17, 2015 23:36:31 GMT -5
Back to the original topic. It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted. Like Rosa Parks? Like Ernest Green, Carlotta LaNier, Jefferson Thomas, et al.? Of course, Bryan Fischer believes that even god does not go where he is not wanted. Guess it is an individual choice. Oh, didn't realize they were all perverts & CSA offenders? Can you enlighten us on their charges? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 20:22:15 GMT -5
Sadly convention grounds have a lot of unsupervised trails and hidden places for a perverted person to work. I am not crazy about these trails. I don't think they should mow large expanses on grassy areas distant from the meeting and dining shed or tent.
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Post by withlove on Apr 19, 2015 22:13:12 GMT -5
Who knows Mary, who knows. Each of us is responsible for our own actions. And blaming a Worker for your own behavior won't cut it. ... |
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Post by rational on Apr 20, 2015 6:03:18 GMT -5
Wasn't the forbidden fruit the knowledge of good and evil? This was immediately translated into nudity being wrong and spawned a clothing industry. Would mankind be better off not having the knowledge of good and evil? What, and freeze to death? Well, there is that. And I suppose the phrase "Best Man" would have a whole different meaning. |
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Post by rational on Apr 20, 2015 6:09:23 GMT -5
Sadly convention grounds have a lot of unsupervised trails and hidden places for a perverted person to work. I am not crazy about these trails. I don't think they should mow large expanses on grassy areas distant from the meeting and dining shed or tent. A few meters of razor/concertina wire might be in order. Something about the morning sun sparkling off the dew on the barbs really frames the picture. Or maybe upon arrival everyone gets a GPS ankle bracelet strapped on so they can be tracked. Or maybe using some common sense. |
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Post by rational on Apr 20, 2015 6:16:14 GMT -5
Like Rosa Parks? Like Ernest Green, Carlotta LaNier, Jefferson Thomas, et al.? Of course, Bryan Fischer believes that even god does not go where he is not wanted. Guess it is an individual choice. Oh, didn't realize they were all perverts & CSA offenders? Can you enlighten us on their charges? As it turns out they all meet the criteria set out by @dennisj and went places where they were not wanted: It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted.I am not sure why you thought the fact that people want the freedom to be where they want to, even if this is not what others want, makes them either a pervert or a CSA offender. The mindset that there are CSA offenders hiding around every corner and in every shadow makes life difficult for many people. |
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Post by rational on Apr 20, 2015 6:20:53 GMT -5
TV doesn't really make you a "pervert", it changes what "pervert" means. The general population will never be "perverts" in their own eyes, but they don't mind the daily diet of bras, knickers, jock straps, boobs and bottoms which appear on any show which promises to be "adult" with "strong violence" and "sexual references" and "nudity" (Australian TV, at any rate.) So popular culture shifts the bell curve of acceptable behavior - including kiddie porn. One UK prosecutor called child porn the "new norm" with a ten percent compound growth per year. Not that I really want to know for any, you know, personal reason; purely academic interest, of course; but if you don't mind, could you please share which TV shows provide a daily diet of jock straps? In could be a NZ shopping channel. I looked at TW and Verizon and was not able to locate a JS series. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 6:37:51 GMT -5
Sadly convention grounds have a lot of unsupervised trails and hidden places for a perverted person to work. I am not crazy about these trails. I don't think they should mow large expanses on grassy areas distant from the meeting and dining shed or tent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 7:28:10 GMT -5
Sadly convention grounds have a lot of unsupervised trails and hidden places for a perverted person to work. I am not crazy about these trails. I don't think they should mow large expanses on grassy areas distant from the meeting and dining shed or tent. Ah, that is where modern technology comes in to play- surveillance and hidden cameras- the unseen eyes that are watching our every move.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 13:22:36 GMT -5
Perverts don't have horns. You never know who may be one or where one may be lurking. Keep an eye on your children. Be careful with the little ones. Teachers, lawyers, doctors, principals, preachers, workers, the nice neighbor kid, etc could be a predator. Oh be careful with the little ones!!
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Post by whyisitso on Apr 20, 2015 16:37:07 GMT -5
Oh, didn't realize they were all perverts & CSA offenders? Can you enlighten us on their charges? As it turns out they all meet the criteria set out by @dennisj and went places where they were not wanted: It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted.I am not sure why you thought the fact that people want the freedom to be where they want to, even if this is not what others want, makes them either a pervert or a CSA offender. The mindset that there are CSA offenders hiding around every corner and in every shadow makes life difficult for many people. Actually Denis said "Back to the original topic. It's beyond me......" He was referring to a CSA offender or a known pervert going on the convention grounds.... Not Rosa Parks getting up off her seat on a bus to make a stand against racists! Entirely different scenarios Rational. |
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Post by withlove on Apr 20, 2015 17:52:02 GMT -5
Back to the original topic. It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted. Would they be unwanted though? By how many? If people suspect a certain person may show up to convention, they could contact the overseer in advance and say "Is X going? If so, my family won't be...or if he shows up and doesn't leave, we will." Enough people saying that would have an effect. |
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 20, 2015 18:07:26 GMT -5
Back to the original topic. It is beyond me why anyone would go where they know they are unwanted. Would they be unwanted though? By how many? If people suspect a certain person may show up to convention, they could contact the overseer in advance and say "Is X going? If so, my family won't be...or if he shows up and doesn't leave, we will." Enough people saying that would have an effect. Yeah... But unless enough people do it, or the "right" people do it, chances are you'll just get branded with having an "attitude". |
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Post by bubbles on Apr 20, 2015 18:29:05 GMT -5
Wasn't the forbidden fruit the knowledge of good and evil? This was immediately translated into nudity being wrong and spawned a clothing industry. Would mankind be better off not having the knowledge of good and evil? I suppose that would depend on what is meant by "better off." If man had not fallen. We would be in the garden. Walking and talking with god in the cool of the day. There would be no such thing as 'religion' nor war. It would be a peaceful environment with human and animals. Man having dominion. We wouldnt be working by the sweat of our brow. Women would not suffer in childbirth. The son of god would have remained in heaven. |
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Post by bubbles on Apr 20, 2015 18:38:52 GMT -5
Maybe all the knowledge of 'good and evil' was just the dividing line of when we as humans, became conscious instead of entirely instinctual like animals. Animals can kill and it is neither good nor evil because they don't formulate things in these terms. Humans have developed the capacity to analyse good and evil and how it pertains to their life. I don't see that as a bad thing to know the difference, though sometimes I think it does cause us to be pretty judgmental of others which animals just don't do. Getting off topic but... Can animal other than human, be evil? Like animals that play with their prey, or kill for amusement ; Cats, Killer Whales, Dolphins, a pack of wild dogs, ... My cat is not evil shes gorgeous..she sits at the screen door bird watching all day. As the doves boldly climb the starirs of the deck and search for food in my garden boxes she doesnt move a muscle. Then they venture closer still waddling right past her nose so close she can smell them. She doesnt blink. I wait for her to pounce and hit the door. It doesnt happen. Now if it was a little bug she climbs the screen or if it is a little leach she teases its sorry butt plays forever. She learnt fast birds fly away. Shes not evil she just has this instinct to eat protein. |
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Post by xna on Apr 20, 2015 19:02:40 GMT -5
Getting off topic but... Can animal other than human, be evil? Like animals that play with their prey, or kill for amusement ; Cats, Killer Whales, Dolphins, a pack of wild dogs, ... My cat is not evil shes gorgeous..she sits at the screen door bird watching all day. As the doves boldly climb the starirs of the deck and search for food in my garden boxes she doesnt move a muscle. Then they venture closer still waddling right past her nose so close she can smell them. She doesnt blink. I wait for her to pounce and hit the door. It doesnt happen. Now if it was a little bug she climbs the screen or if it is a little leach she teases its sorry butt plays forever. She learnt fast birds fly away. Shes not evil she just has this instinct to eat protein. You must have a godly cat. I've seen "evil cats" play with half alive mice then walk away without eating them. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2015 19:30:44 GMT -5
I suppose that would depend on what is meant by "better off." If man had not fallen, We would be in the garden. Walking and talking with god in the cool of the day. There would be no such thing as 'religion' nor war. It would be a peaceful environment with human and animals. Man having dominion. We wouldn't be working by the sweat of our brow.
Women would not suffer in childbirth. The son of god would have remained in heaven.
The desire for an utopia?
Now that we have to live in reality, we envision an after- life that will return us to that perfect place? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 20, 2015 20:37:28 GMT -5
TV doesn't really make you a "pervert", it changes what "pervert" means. The general population will never be "perverts"in their own eyes, but they don't mind the daily diet of bras, knickers, jock straps, boobs and bottoms which appear on any show which promises to be "adult" with "strong violence" and "sexual references" and "nudity" (Australian TV, at any rate.) So popular culture shifts the bell curve of acceptable behavior - including kiddie porn. One UK prosecutor called child porn the "new norm" with a ten percent compound growth per year.
In our country, -the United States of America, -child "porn" is a Federal crime:
The United States Department of Justice
Child Pornography
Child pornography is a form of child sexual exploitation.
Federal law defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (persons less than 18 years old).
Images of child pornography are also referred to as child sexual abuse images.
Federal law prohibits the production, distribution, importation, reception, or possession of any image of child pornography.
A violation of federal child pornography laws is a serious crime, and convicted offenders face fines severe statutory penalties
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Post by bubbles on Apr 20, 2015 20:49:06 GMT -5
If man had not fallen, We would be in the garden. Walking and talking with god in the cool of the day. There would be no such thing as 'religion' nor war. It would be a peaceful environment with human and animals. Man having dominion. We wouldn't be working by the sweat of our brow.
Women would not suffer in childbirth. The son of god would have remained in heaven.
The desire for an utopia?
Now that we have to live in reality, we envision an after- life that will return us to that perfect place? Undoubtedly. |
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Post by bubbles on Apr 20, 2015 20:51:39 GMT -5
My cat is not evil shes gorgeous..she sits at the screen door bird watching all day. As the doves boldly climb the starirs of the deck and search for food in my garden boxes she doesnt move a muscle. Then they venture closer still waddling right past her nose so close she can smell them. She doesnt blink. I wait for her to pounce and hit the door. It doesnt happen. Now if it was a little bug she climbs the screen or if it is a little leach she teases its sorry butt plays forever. She learnt fast birds fly away. Shes not evil she just has this instinct to eat protein. You must have a godly cat. I've seen "evil cats" play with half alive mice then walk away without eating them. Haha..IF a cheekymouse dared enter our domain I would hope she would kill it!! Its my worst fear. Rats n mice. |
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