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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 17, 2015 6:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 17, 2015 11:31:32 GMT -5
where on FB?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 19:06:41 GMT -5
Roselyn, be a good sport and post it on TMB. Us oldies are too stupid to use Facebook.
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Post by Admin on Jan 17, 2015 20:52:28 GMT -5
I am re-posting the warning that I posted on this thread on October 23rd.
TMB is aware of significant information from both sides of this situation. One alleged victim has requested anonymity and TMB respects that absolutely. This is a person who is highly regarded and TMB wishes her the very best in her life and with the choices that are hers alone.
Equally TMB acknowledges the denials of the accused, and that under law he is regarded as innocent in current circumstances. TMB respects that, and we are obliged to uphold the anonymity of this person, also absolutely.
Please note that any attempt to name publicly on TMB or hint at names of those involved will result in an immediate ban of the culprit, and deletion of those posts from this thread. Please respect the great difficulty in this situation.
The sensitive information held by TMB will not be divulged without approval of those involved, unless ever required to do so in a legal process.
For those readers of faith - perhaps keep all parties involved in your prayers please, even if you don't know who they are. God knows.
If posting Worker's lists, be ultra careful on TMB not to identify anyone in regard to matters of this thread.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 18, 2015 1:20:49 GMT -5
I have copied and pasted this from the first page of this thread. I find this to be a really disturbing post and if it represents current thinking in the 2x2s then that is even more worrying. Actually find the idea that someone who messes with kids can have anything edifying to say. It makes a complete joke of what is often heard from the platform that God's spirit led me to read and meditate on XXX. I would think that if God's spirit is working at all on the heart of such a person then it would be leading him/her to repentance, a request for forgiveness, not only from God but more importantly the victim and a change of direction in life. I am not sure whether "Partaker" the poster, is still going to meetings but I believe this attitude of veneration of a worker despite the criminal activity borders on absurd.
Well , what can one say? It is a bit unfortunate, shameful and disappointing that there is the need to do this. If this is correct, the focus would be on that worker for the wrong reason; anything edifying from him/her would be missed because it would probably pass over the heads of the listeners for the simple reason that he/ she starts out with very low esteem in their eyes, so their minds would be concentrated on being judgmental with anxiety rather than feeding on any spiritual messages delivered
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 15:27:03 GMT -5
I have copied and pasted this from the first page of this thread. I find this to be a really disturbing post and if it represents current thinking in the 2x2s then that is even more worrying. Actually find the idea that someone who messes with kids can have anything edifying to say. It makes a complete joke of what is often heard from the platform that God's spirit led me to read and meditate on XXX. I would think that if God's spirit is working at all on the heart of such a person then it would be leading him/her to repentance, a request for forgiveness, not only from God but more importantly the victim and a change of direction in life. I am not sure whether "Partaker" the poster, is still going to meetings but I believe this attitude of veneration of a worker despite the criminal activity borders on absurd. Well , what can one say? It is a bit unfortunate, shameful and disappointing that there is the need to do this. If this is correct, the focus would be on that worker for the wrong reason; anything edifying from him/her would be missed because it would probably pass over the heads of the listeners for the simple reason that he/ she starts out with very low esteem in their eyes, so their minds would be concentrated on being judgmental with anxiety rather than feeding on any spiritual messages deliveredCurly for your information, yes I am still very much going to meetings; can you please point out to me my attitude of veneration of a worker. You have completely misunderstood my posting and if you were in doubt you could have sent me a PM asking for clarification, but you have chosen to bring this after I had left the forum in an underhand manner.My reason for saying that it is unfortunate, shameful and disappointing and that there was the need to do this was, if the worker was indeed guilty as claimed, he should not have been allowed to attend the meetings as a worker in the first place; then I implied that since he was allowed to participate, he would be focussed on for the wrong reason. A worker is there to preach the gospel and the audience focuses on that aspect; but I tried to suggest that the audience who were aware of the charges against the worker would understandably focus on his/her alleged mis demeanor and if indeed he had anything edifying to say it would have been lost to the audience who would have prejudged him and would not really be interested in anything he had to say spiritually. That was the message I was trying to convey and I can't, for the life of me, understand how you have been able to interpret it in the way you have. Perhaps you have your own agenda, and that is why you attacked me in another thread describing me as condescending,etc. |
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Post by fixit on Jan 18, 2015 16:22:41 GMT -5
A worker is there to preach the gospel and the audience focuses on that aspect; but I tried to suggest that the audience who were aware of the charges against the worker would understandably focus on his/her alleged mis demeanor and if indeed he had anything edifying to say it would have been lost to the audience who would have prejudged him and would not really be interested in anything he had to say spiritually. What attempt has the ministry made to encourage those who were sexually abused as children to come forward? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:38:14 GMT -5
A worker is there to preach the gospel and the audience focuses on that aspect; but I tried to suggest that the audience who were aware of the charges against the worker would understandably focus on his/her alleged mis demeanor and if indeed he had anything edifying to say it would have been lost to the audience who would have prejudged him and would not really be interested in anything he had to say spiritually. What attempt has the ministry made to encourage those who were sexually abused as children to come forward? I am not aware of any, are you aware of any? Read through my postings and see if you can glean my attitude towards this subject, especially your run-ins with that worker, 0005. I think it is the thread about suggesting improvements in the fellowship. I do not condone the way in which this matter has been handled by those in authority. It is not very Godly and is immoral in my opinion. I don't wish to repeat myself like a parrot, my opinions have not changed at all; I tell it as I see it. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2015 17:04:20 GMT -5
That's exactly why he sent his own divine power, the Holy Spirit, to teach, lead and guide you into all righteousness through a special, individual relationship with him. Through the Holy Spirit he will write his laws and his ways on your heart. The key is the hoop which the Ethiopian Eunuch jumped through. He believed with all his heart that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (nb. NOT God the Son, is actually God, etc...which is a far greater God Delusion than Dawkins wrote). Well I would need to get it exactly right and believe as you believe and not as those who believe in the Trinity believe. I'm sure there is other things I would need to get exactly right too. Which is my point actually. Who is right? Which interpretation? For that matter which God? The Holy Spirit sounds like a conscious, but it seems to guide people in all sorts of directions. I listen to those on here debating endlessly about who is right and that is only within Christianity. What about all the other religions and their definition and God? I find it's far easier to not believe in any God and just be as loving and compassionate as I can be. The rest of it is just too complicated for me.
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Post by snow on Jan 18, 2015 17:49:39 GMT -5
Well I would need to get it exactly right and believe as you believe and not as those who believe in the Trinity believe. I'm sure there is other things I would need to get exactly right too. Which is my point actually. Who is right? Which interpretation? For that matter which God? The Holy Spirit sounds like a conscious, but it seems to guide people in all sorts of directions. I listen to those on here debating endlessly about who is right and that is only within Christianity. What about all the other religions and their definition and God? I find it's far easier to not believe in any God and just be as loving and compassionate as I can be. The rest of it is just too complicated for me.
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Post by fixit on Jan 18, 2015 19:17:56 GMT -5
What attempt has the ministry made to encourage those who were sexually abused as children to come forward? I am not aware of any, are you aware of any? Read through my postings and see if you can glean my attitude towards this subject, especially your run-ins with that worker, 0005. I think it is the thread about suggesting improvements in the fellowship. I do not condone the way in which this matter has been handled by those in authority. It is not very Godly and is immoral in my opinion. I don't wish to repeat myself like a parrot, my opinions have not changed at all; I tell it as I see it. Thanks for the clarification, it's appreciated. |
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Post by rational on Jan 18, 2015 22:53:43 GMT -5
What attempt has the ministry made to encourage those who were sexually abused as children to come forward? This seems like an ill conceived idea. Other organizations have dealt with the victims internally and the results were less than satisfactory. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 19, 2015 0:13:56 GMT -5
Partaker, if you read your what you have written then it seems that you make it clear that a worker can still be saying something edifying even though they may have committed a crime against children. I find that idea abhorrent.
There is no hidden agenda. I made no connection between saying you were condescending and this last post of yours. If I recall correctly you were not agreeing with something a female poster had said and had called her sweetie. That's the kind of comment that someone who is condescending would make.
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Post by fixit on Jan 19, 2015 0:46:18 GMT -5
What attempt has the ministry made to encourage those who were sexually abused as children to come forward? This seems like an ill conceived idea. Other organizations have dealt with the victims internally and the results were less than satisfactory. By "come forward" I meant to report child sexual abuse. Nothing to do with dealing with victims internally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 3:23:28 GMT -5
I am not aware of any, are you aware of any? Read through my postings and see if you can glean my attitude towards this subject, especially your run-ins with that worker, 0005. I think it is the thread about suggesting improvements in the fellowship. I do not condone the way in which this matter has been handled by those in authority. It is not very Godly and is immoral in my opinion. I don't wish to repeat myself like a parrot, my opinions have not changed at all; I tell it as I see it. Thanks for the clarification, it's appreciated. You are welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 4:03:14 GMT -5
Partaker, if you read your what you have written then it seems that you make it clear that a worker can still be saying something edifying even though they may have committed a crime against children. I find that idea abhorrent. There is no hidden agenda. I made no connection between saying you were condescending and this last post of yours. If I recall correctly you were not agreeing with something a female poster had said and had called her sweetie. That's the kind of comment that someone who is condescending would make. The term "sweetie" is condescending? Well I lived in England for many years and if I had One pound for every time I was called " Sweetie" by ordinary people on the streets, at work, in shops, in markets I would be rich. So it appears that many folks in the UK are condescending. Where do you live sweetie. That is a term of endearment, please grow up, you are behaving like the little girl in your avatar. By by the way you are mistaken if you believe that people who have misbehave are incapable of saying things that are edifying; many folks say the right things- talk the talk but do not walk the walk; even scriptures tell us the people speak the right things but their hearts are far from God. If one speaks the right/correct thing it cannot be nullified because it comes from that particular person, we may not appreciate it from him or her, but if it is correct it cannot be deemed to be wrong at the same time.Do you get my drift? ps. Google the term "sweetie" and see what you come up with. |
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Post by rational on Jan 19, 2015 11:21:36 GMT -5
Partaker, if you read your what you have written then it seems that you make it clear that a worker can still be saying something edifying even though they may have committed a crime against children. I find that idea abhorrent. Does a person's behavior preclude them from having a good/edifying idea? Paul was not what was known as an totally moral person but people read and follow what he said. |
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Post by jimmy on Jan 20, 2015 7:47:37 GMT -5
Hey Jimmy, maybe you better check the facts, the new workers list is out ............ ! Hey Rosyln At the time of my post I believe my information was factually correct. I don't think I can say anything more in this forum. Regards J |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 20, 2015 20:48:14 GMT -5
Thank you Jimmy |
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Post by fixit on Jan 20, 2015 22:04:45 GMT -5
By by the way you are mistaken if you believe that people who have misbehave are incapable of saying things that are edifying; many folks say the right things- talk the talk but do not walk the walk; even scriptures tell us the people speak the right things but their hearts are far from God. If one speaks the right/correct thing it cannot be nullified because it comes from that particular person, we may not appreciate it from him or her, but if it is correct it cannot be deemed to be wrong at the same time.Do you get my drift? What incentive is there to listen to a sexual abuser of children? |
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Post by rational on Jan 20, 2015 23:40:15 GMT -5
By by the way you are mistaken if you believe that people who have misbehave are incapable of saying things that are edifying; many folks say the right things- talk the talk but do not walk the walk; even scriptures tell us the people speak the right things but their hearts are far from God. If one speaks the right/correct thing it cannot be nullified because it comes from that particular person, we may not appreciate it from him or her, but if it is correct it cannot be deemed to be wrong at the same time.Do you get my drift? What incentive is there to listen to a sexual abuser of children? The possibility of learning something? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 21, 2015 1:22:20 GMT -5
Partaker, if you read your what you have written then it seems that you make it clear that a worker can still be saying something edifying even though they may have committed a crime against children. I find that idea abhorrent. There is no hidden agenda. I made no connection between saying you were condescending and this last post of yours. If I recall correctly you were not agreeing with something a female poster had said and had called her sweetie. That's the kind of comment that someone who is condescending would make. The term "sweetie" is condescending? Well I lived in England for many years and if I had One pound for every time I was called " Sweetie" by ordinary people on the streets, at work, in shops, in markets I would be rich. So it appears that many folks in the UK are condescending. Where do you live sweetie. That is a term of endearment, please grow up, you are behaving like the little girl in your avatar.
(Or Maybe off track? and about 50 years behind the times, "sweetie?")
Now, now,- don't take me wrong! Please don't think that I'm being "condescending" to your male Highness! 
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Post by fixit on Jan 21, 2015 3:03:09 GMT -5
What incentive is there to listen to a sexual abuser of children? The possibility of learning something? You are welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 4:07:49 GMT -5
By by the way you are mistaken if you believe that people who have misbehave are incapable of saying things that are edifying; many folks say the right things- talk the talk but do not walk the walk; even scriptures tell us the people speak the right things but their hearts are far from God. If one speaks the right/correct thing it cannot be nullified because it comes from that particular person, we may not appreciate it from him or her, but if it is correct it cannot be deemed to be wrong at the same time.Do you get my drift? What incentive is there to listen to a sexual abuser of children? My honest and short answer is probably none, and that is why it is unfortunate that he was there in the first place; however, the audience had a choice, sit and endure, (condone??) or walk out in protest.Let your conscience be your guide. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 4:20:49 GMT -5
The term "sweetie" is condescending? Well I lived in England for many years and if I had One pound for every time I was called " Sweetie" by ordinary people on the streets, at work, in shops, in markets I would be rich. So it appears that many folks in the UK are condescending. Where do you live sweetie. That is a term of endearment, please grow up, you are behaving like the little girl in your avatar.
(Or Maybe off track? and about 50 years behind the times, "sweetie?")
Now, now,- don't take me wrong! Please don't think that I'm being "condescending" to your male Highness!
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Post by rational on Jan 21, 2015 9:58:48 GMT -5
Now that is really telling her off, "sonny boy!" Right on track "honey!"
(Or Maybe off track? and about 50 years behind the times, "sweetie?")
Now, now,- don't take me wrong! Please don't think that I'm being "condescending" to your male Highness! :o
Naughty, but nice; are you stirring the pot here? you old devil you. ::) Well, in a dynamic changing world anything is possible, words can take on new meanings. is not stirring the pot but pointing out something that many people feel. Fake Terms of Endearment“Sweetie,” “Honey,” and “Hun” are all cute pet names used in intimate relationships, whether between boyfriend and girlfriend or amongst closest friends; However, it becomes irritating and borderline disrespectful when strangers, specifically those younger than you, consider referring to you as such. Maybe the person is simply using the term innocently, but for the sake of confusion, it would be nice to restrict these intimate names to personal relationships.Yes, we’re older, but don’t call us “sweetie” or “hon”My letter is not on an earth-shaking or even current topic. It is purely personal, but is one with which I believe many will agree.
I am a “senior citizen,” although I dislike that title and never use it. I am very active, and have been told by many that I seem a lot younger than I am, not because of outward appearance, but because of my spirit and personality. I firmly believe that we all remain the same inside, regardless of how we look as we age.
So, this is my complaint: I feel that being addressed as “honey,” “sweetie,” “hon” and other such terms is disrespectful and condescending. It implies that we are child-like because we are over a certain age. Not true. |
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Post by rational on Jan 21, 2015 10:12:07 GMT -5
[quote author="@partaker" source="/post/623964/thread" timestamp="1421658194"The term "sweetie" is condescending? Well I lived in England for many years and if I had One pound for every time I was called " Sweetie" by ordinary people on the streets, at work, in shops, in markets I would be rich. So it appears that many folks in the UK are condescending. Where do you live sweetie. :) That is a term of endearment, please grow up, you are behaving like the little girl in your avatar.[/quote]I wonder where you lived in the UK. I have spent a fair amount of time in England and do not ever remember bring called "sweetie".
I wonder what your definition of "rich" might be. Perhaps £100,000? That would be a lot of people calling you Sweetie. What was your occupation?
Obama did not gain a lot of support when he referred to Peggy Agar as "sweetie".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 10:57:56 GMT -5
[quote author="@partaker" source="/post/623964/thread" timestamp="1421658194"The term "sweetie" is condescending? Well I lived in England for many years and if I had One pound for every time I was called " Sweetie" by ordinary people on the streets, at work, in shops, in markets I would be rich. So it appears that many folks in the UK are condescending. Where do you live sweetie. That is a term of endearment, please grow up, you are behaving like the little girl in your avatar. I wonder where you lived in the UK. I have spent a fair amount of time in England and do not ever remember bring called "sweetie". I wonder what your definition of "rich" might be. Perhaps £100,000? That would be a lot of people calling you Sweetie. What was your occupation? Obama did not gain a lot of support when he referred to Peggy Agar as "sweetie". [/quote] Ok, I don't feel like playing ball today, rational, but I lived for many years in East London within the sound Of "bow bells" you know, the cockney area, after that I moved to Essex. When one is very short of money on a regular basis and that person manages to acquire a tidy sum of money, he is rich - much richer than he was previously; by the looks of it, the time you spent in England was not in the cockney areas of East London otherwise you would understand about language of endearment, there is lots of it there; and it is genuine, not meant to be insulting at all. What I would find insulting and condescending is some white (racist??) people looking at grown people of color and addressing the as "boy." This is an observation I have made during my two visits to the USA. Obviously neither President Obama nor Peggy Agar live or have lived in "cockney land." Note well, I gave the President his full title to which he is entitled, to do otherwise would have been disrespectful, and dare I say it- condescending. |
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