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[curlywurlysammagee]

What, are you suggesting I have two Tui, phew, that might make me all giggly.

[curlywurlysammagee]

Nov 21, 2014 23:54:26 GMT -5 fixit said:

Hey Fixit, I'm not sure whether the people from that other planet, woops I mean the USA would get the irony of all this. 

[curlywurlysammagee]

Love it Fixit, they can put a man on the moon, a vehicle of some sort on a comet (but in the wrong place) but have not figured out yet that not one of these things will help feed, clothe and shelter the world.

[curlywurlysammagee]

Nov 22, 2014 2:25:37 GMT -5 fixit said:

This one's a bit cheeky...

Come to think of it, I reckon that might just be the ultimate oxymoron.

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Nov 22, 2014 2:58:19 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Love it Fixit, they can put a man on the moon, a vehicle of some sort on a comet (but in the wrong place) but have not figured out yet that not one of these things will help feed, clothe and shelter the world.

frankly i thing your comments are totally miserable even if they are meant to be funny in someway

[curlywurlysammagee]

Nothing funny about suffering from malnutrition whilst watching satelites go by.

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Nov 22, 2014 4:05:01 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Nothing funny about suffering from malnutrition whilst watching satelites go by.

and frankly there would be a lot more if it weren't for that nation i think you are being very mean spirited

[rational]

Nov 22, 2014 4:05:01 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Nothing funny about suffering from malnutrition whilst watching satelites go by.

But they do provide internet connections so you can voice your complaints worldwide!

[rational]

Nov 22, 2014 4:11:19 GMT -5 @virgo said:

Nov 22, 2014 4:05:01 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Nothing funny about suffering from malnutrition whilst watching satelites go by.

and frankly there would be a lot more if it weren't for that nation i think you are being very mean spirited

It is hard to knock scientific exploration whether it is landing on a comet after a 10 year flight or setting up a base on the south pole.

Ned Ludd failed to see the benefits of advancements and many people today fall into that same category.

[faune]

Nov 21, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5 rational said:

Nov 21, 2014 10:39:46 GMT -5 mdm said:

I am not asking for apology from IH's but from overseers who allowed them to remain in the work and told people to not report them.

What's the difference between the offender and the enabler? They both carry the same level of guilt. Perhaps the enabler even more so because there was the possibility of stopping the criminal.

"More" means to apologize to victims and their advocates who have been told to "forgive and forget" abuse and if unwilling to do that were vilified and even excommunicated, and to let the fellowship know of their past mistakes and how they are going to address these issues in the future, as well as give clear permission to all to report abuse. 

No one has yet explained how an apology will solve anything.

It should be made clear that no one has to seek nor can anyone withhold permission to report a crime to the authorities.
The people who can make changes are the members. They do not need permission. They only need to think for themselves.

If people are willing to believe that they can be granted or denied eternal salvation by men who either abuse children or enable those who do then there is little hope they will ever do anything but support and protect those who they have set up as people to be worshiped. There are some who will never be able to think for themselves. Hopefully those who do think for themselves will act to protect the rest.

Rational ~ I couldn't agree more with your closing remark above!  It will definitely take people willing to think for themselves within the 2x2's  to bring about meaningful change within the fellowship in such areas as child sexual abuse.   Without the members getting involved and taking action on their own, there's little hope that this problem will disappear anytime soon.  JMT

[faune]

Nov 1, 2014 6:49:19 GMT -5 magpie said:

 WHY MENTION ROLF HARRIS? THIS IS A QUEENSLAND ALERT INVOLVING  FEARS OF A WORKERS DOUBTFUL REPUTATION. THE  2x2s ARE THE GREATEST TWISTERS OF A SUBJECT THAT MAY INVOLVE THEM IN A BAD LIGHT>  Rolf Harris was also facing other charges,many much younger than 16. Still others comming out of the woodwork laying complaints.
 If only 30% are true does that make him lesser than a paedophile?"NO" 

Magpie ~ I'm just curious, but isn't Rolf Harris the one who wrote that song, "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport"  and "Jake the Peg" some years back?  He must be in his 80's by now and people are still coming out with allegations against him from the past?  

I'm  sorry to get off track here.  Just wondering if this was the same person that Fixit brought up (Page 7) in response to Rational on this thread, since I'm trying to catch up from the beginning?  I was shocked to learn that Rolf Harris was actually labeled a pedophile in this October 2014 article, too. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lofgud4wLLo&list=RDlofgud4wLLo#t=26   Tie Me Kangeroo Down, Sport ~ Rolf Harris

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJleJbn9G6Y&index=2&list=RDlofgud4wLLo  Jake the Peg ~ Rolf Harris

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/522178/Rolf-Harris-accused-of-more-sex-crimes  Rolf Harris Accused of More Sex Crimes

TEN more women have come forward to accuse Rolf Harris of sexual assault - meaning he could face fresh charges, it was reported last night.

Sources close to the police investigation into the disgraced entertainer say some claims relate to alleged abuse in New Zealand and Australia involving underage victims.

Operation Yewtree officers are looking at the British cases but any assaults that took place in Australia or New Zealand would be handled by local police.

Harris, 84, was sentenced this July to five years and nine months’ jail for indecently assaulting four girls in Britain between 1969 and 1986.

These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges

But the artist and singer is expected to serve less than three years behind bars.

Former detective-turned-investigative journalist Mark Williams-Thomas said: “These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges.”

Oct 29, 2014 at 9:59pm rational said:
But again, most child molesters are not pedophiles. And there has been success in rehabilitating those charged with other paraphilias. Considering all child molesters as pedophiles and then classifying them as incurable is simply wrong. The result of moral panic surrounding child sexual abuse. Placing a 25 year old charge with child sexual abuse on a sex registry list because he was caught having sex with a 17 year old simply does not make sense.

Fixit responded...

Interestingly the press labelled Rolf Harris as a paedophile:

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/529875/Rolf-Harris-loses-first-round-of-appeal

[snow]

Nov 23, 2014 15:36:50 GMT -5 faune said:

Nov 1, 2014 6:49:19 GMT -5 magpie said:

 WHY MENTION ROLF HARRIS? THIS IS A QUEENSLAND ALERT INVOLVING  FEARS OF A WORKERS DOUBTFUL REPUTATION. THE  2x2s ARE THE GREATEST TWISTERS OF A SUBJECT THAT MAY INVOLVE THEM IN A BAD LIGHT>  Rolf Harris was also facing other charges,many much younger than 16. Still others comming out of the woodwork laying complaints.
 If only 30% are true does that make him lesser than a paedophile?"NO" 

Magpie ~ I'm just curious, but isn't Rolf Harris the one who wrote that song, "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport"  and "Jake the Peg" some years back?  He must be in his 80's by now and people are still coming out with allegations against him from the past?  

I'm  sorry to get off track here.  Just wondering if this was the same person that Fixit brought up (Page 7) in response to Rational on this thread, since I'm trying to catch up from the beginning?  I was shocked to learn that Rolf Harris was actually labeled a pedophile in this October 2014 article, too. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lofgud4wLLo&list=RDlofgud4wLLo#t=26   Tie Me Kangeroo Down, Sport ~ Rolf Harris

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJleJbn9G6Y&index=2&list=RDlofgud4wLLo  Jake the Peg ~ Rolf Harris

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/522178/Rolf-Harris-accused-of-more-sex-crimes  Rolf Harris Accused of More Sex Crimes

TEN more women have come forward to accuse Rolf Harris of sexual assault - meaning he could face fresh charges, it was reported last night.

Sources close to the police investigation into the disgraced entertainer say some claims relate to alleged abuse in New Zealand and Australia involving underage victims.

Operation Yewtree officers are looking at the British cases but any assaults that took place in Australia or New Zealand would be handled by local police.

Harris, 84, was sentenced this July to five years and nine months’ jail for indecently assaulting four girls in Britain between 1969 and 1986.

These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges

But the artist and singer is expected to serve less than three years behind bars.

Former detective-turned-investigative journalist Mark Williams-Thomas said: “These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges.”

Oct 29, 2014 at 9:59pm rational said:
But again, most child molesters are not pedophiles. And there has been success in rehabilitating those charged with other paraphilias. Considering all child molesters as pedophiles and then classifying them as incurable is simply wrong. The result of moral panic surrounding child sexual abuse. Placing a 25 year old charge with child sexual abuse on a sex registry list because he was caught having sex with a 17 year old simply does not make sense.

Fixit responded...

Interestingly the press labelled Rolf Harris as a paedophile:

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/529875/Rolf-Harris-loses-first-round-of-appeal

That's the guy. I saw him when he came to Canada to perform years ago when I was in high school. First time I had ever heard a didgeridoo

[faune]

Well, isn't Rolf Harris quite a celebrity figure in Australia? I remember reading a while back that he even painted a portrait of the Queen of England in person. That must be a real shocker to his many fans at home and abroad?  And to top it off, more people are coming forward!

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/522178/Rolf-Harris-accused-of-more-sex-crimes

TEN more women have come forward to accuse Rolf Harris of sexual assault - meaning he could face fresh charges, it was reported last night.

Sources close to the police investigation into the disgraced entertainer say some claims relate to alleged abuse in New Zealand and Australia involving underage victims.

Operation Yewtree officers are looking at the British cases but any assaults that took place in Australia or New Zealand would be handled by local police.

Harris, 84, was sentenced this July to five years and nine months’ jail for indecently assaulting four girls in Britain between 1969 and 1986.

These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges

But the artist and singer is expected to serve less than three years behind bars.

Former detective-turned-investigative journalist Mark Williams-Thomas said: “These new allegations are very serious in nature and could mean that Harris will face more charges.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Harris  

In November 2012, Harris's home was searched and he was questioned by the Metropolitan Police on suspicion of historic child sexual offences, and in March 2013 he was arrested. On 29 August 2013, Harris was charged with six counts of indecent assault relating to a girl aged between 15 and 16 from 1980 to 1981, and three counts of indecent assault relating to a girl aged 14 in 1986.[7][8][9] He denied all wrongdoing, and his trial began on 6 May 2014.[10] On 30 June 2014, Harris was found guilty of all twelve charges of indecent assault between 1969 and 1986, on four victims aged between 8 and 19 at the time, and in July was sentenced to a total of five years and nine months in prison.[11]

Following his conviction, Harris was stripped of many of the honours which he had been awarded during his career.[12]

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Nov 22, 2014 3:54:40 GMT -5 @virgo said:

Nov 22, 2014 2:58:19 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Love it Fixit, they can put a man on the moon, a vehicle of some sort on a comet (but in the wrong place) but have not figured out yet that not one of these things will help feed, clothe and shelter the world.

frankly i thing your comments are totally miserable even if they are meant to be funny in someway

Yeh right, pull the other one, it has bells on it. Just joining in the fun games, no offence intended, Virgo. 

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Nov 30, 2014 12:21:01 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Nov 22, 2014 3:54:40 GMT -5 @virgo said:

frankly i thing your comments are totally miserable even if they are meant to be funny in someway

Yeh right, pull the other one, it has bells on it. Just joining in the fun games, no offence intended, Virgo. 

you a pom?

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It's not "Rolf Harris," it is "Wolf Harris!"

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Dec 1, 2014 0:25:41 GMT -5 @virgo said:

Nov 30, 2014 12:21:01 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Yeh right, pull the other one, it has bells on it. Just joining in the fun games, no offence intended, Virgo. 

you a pom?

naaa, I am not from down under, I come from up over.

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Dec 1, 2014 4:58:16 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Dec 1, 2014 0:25:41 GMT -5 @virgo said:

you a pom?

naaa, I am not from down under, I come from up over.

Blimey! Are you a Limey?

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Dec 1, 2014 5:38:21 GMT -5 @ram said:

Dec 1, 2014 4:58:16 GMT -5 @partaker said:

naaa, I am not from down under, I come from up over.

Blimey! Are you a Limey?

Well not exactly, I was born British in a British colony, but the term Limey was applied to British sailors who used limes to combat sea sickness, or so the legend goes; Cor Blimey, I am not a Limey, but I am a bit fond of lemonade.

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Dec 1, 2014 6:55:19 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Dec 1, 2014 5:38:21 GMT -5 @ram said:

Blimey! Are you a Limey?

Well not exactly, I was born British in a British colony, but the term Limey was applied to British sailors who used limes to combat sea sickness, or so the legend goes; Cor Blimey, I am not a Limey, but I am a bit fond of lemonade.

Krekt! But Ozzie soldiers called British soldiers "Limeys" after the origins you state.

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Dec 1, 2014 7:42:25 GMT -5 @ram said:

Dec 1, 2014 6:55:19 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Well not exactly, I was born British in a British colony, but the term Limey was applied to British sailors who used limes to combat sea sickness, or so the legend goes; Cor Blimey, I am not a Limey, but I am a bit fond of lemonade.

Krekt! But Ozzie soldiers called British soldiers "Limeys" after the origins you state.

Yes, but the case was thrown out in A kangaroo court.

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Dec 1, 2014 7:54:40 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Dec 1, 2014 7:42:25 GMT -5 @ram said:

Krekt! But Ozzie soldiers called British soldiers "Limeys" after the origins you state.

Yes, but the case was thrown out in A kangaroo court.

Originally yes, but when the defence reminded the court that the case was about "limes," it was upheld on "a peel!"

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Dec 1, 2014 7:59:45 GMT -5 @ram said:

Dec 1, 2014 7:54:40 GMT -5 @partaker said:

Yes, but the case was thrown out in A kangaroo court.

Originally yes, but when the defence reminded the court that the case was about "limes," it was upheld on "a peel!"

Yes, my friend that is why everything has gone sour between to pommies and the Limeys ever since then, and Rolf Harris has been singing and doing the kangaroo dance in celebration; so the Limeys are trying to lock him up for a long time, and I bet that the pommies will shout : " sour grapes, sour grapes." Or sour pusses.(Careful with the pronunciation).

[rational]

Dec 1, 2014 5:38:21 GMT -5 @ram said:

Dec 1, 2014 4:58:16 GMT -5 @partaker said:

naaa, I am not from down under, I come from up over. :D

Blimey! Are you a Limey?

Isn't 'pom' slang for an englishman?

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Dec 1, 2014 12:17:43 GMT -5 rational said:

Dec 1, 2014 5:38:21 GMT -5 @ram said:

Blimey! Are you a Limey?

Isn't 'pom' slang for an englishman?

Yes, I believe it was English sailormen, originally, but we Scots got Jack Tarred with the same brush!

[fred]

Dec 1, 2014 12:25:17 GMT -5 @ram said:

Dec 1, 2014 12:17:43 GMT -5 rational said:

Isn't 'pom' slang for an englishman?

Yes, I believe it was English sailormen, originally, but we Scots got Jack Tarred with the same brush!

Actually the correct spelling is "pome" and pronounced 'pomee, thence shortened to 'pom'.

The term originated as an acronym for the first English migrants ( of dubious background aka 'convicts).

They were known as 'pomes' because they were Prisoners Of Mother England.

And there you have it.

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Dec 1, 2014 17:03:59 GMT -5 fred said:

Dec 1, 2014 12:25:17 GMT -5 @ram said:

Yes, I believe it was English sailormen, originally, but we Scots got Jack Tarred with the same brush!

Actually the correct spelling is "pome" and pronounced 'pomee, thence shortened to 'pom'.

The term originated as an acronym for the first English migrants ( of dubious background aka 'convicts).

They were known as 'pomes' because they were Prisoners Of Mother England.

And there you have it.

Well what do you know? It is commonly believed over here that Ozzies called us Pommies after pomegranates. What the connection is supposed to be I knoweth not!

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Dec 1, 2014 17:03:59 GMT -5 fred said:

Dec 1, 2014 12:25:17 GMT -5 @ram said:

Yes, I believe it was English sailormen, originally, but we Scots got Jack Tarred with the same brush!

Actually the correct spelling is "pome" and pronounced 'pomee, thence shortened to 'pom'.

The term originated as an acronym for the first English migrants ( of dubious background aka 'convicts).

They were known as 'pomes' because they were Prisoners Of Mother England.

And there you have it.

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