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Jan 30, 2014 11:02:52 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Jan 30, 2014 11:02:52 GMT -5
I didn't know how uncle know about TTT website. A few months before, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherrie as her required". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherrie and thanks for her hard working, said to Cherrie that I had read her website 5 years ago. Her writing helped me decide to leave for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written." That all I know about uncle Hoa concerning to the TTT website. You may ask him. I wonder if Uncle Chau may have told Uncle Hoa about TTT? Nate said that he visited with Uncle Chau in 2007 on his convention rounds in America. And that he warned him against TTT... And Uncle Chau might have returned to VN and told Uncle Hoa what he learned from Nate about the websites, etc.
Nate wrote: I had warned and prepared uncle Chau by telling him about Cherie TTT website, William Irvine, and about my message board When I first met him in Portland, Oregon 2007... Because I knew the 2x2 history information on the Internet would reach the Vietnamese friends someday so he would be ready to answer their questions.
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Jan 30, 2014 11:14:24 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Jan 30, 2014 11:14:24 GMT -5
I happened upon an old post started in 2009 about Vietnam: Vietnam MeetingsPerhaps some of the VN ppsters can fill in some information...
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Jan 30, 2014 13:06:26 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 13:06:26 GMT -5
Although it was long ago, I too knew Phyliss Munn, Bonnie Dahlin, Fred Allen. Knew them as indeed idealistic workers after whom I once patterned my life, taught to think of them as corn's of wheat, before learning ONLY The Lord is that for all: may everyone embrace Him and open their heart to Him and everlasting love. Yes, I also agree Phyliss was an exceptionally soft hearted and kind woman.
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Jan 30, 2014 14:26:22 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 30, 2014 14:26:22 GMT -5
Thank you, Edgar for your work and link to that Vietnam site. How people can continue in their staunch 2&2 worker support in the light of what has happened there and throughout the world, is beyond some of us. And this has everything to do with the love of and for those people we've had to leave behind there.
Expressing only for myself, my Absolute is found in my Lord and God and HIS (Will, Word and Power) workings in my life. Without them, I'd have no such beliefs at all. Dennis, this made me think of the long phone conversation I had last night with a former friend....actually a brother of William Lewis....he had NOt heard about the VN situation...and after I told him, he drew a long breath and was so quite I begin to think we'd been disconnected. He also asked what the deal about Leslie White was, so I informed him.....he knows folks that LW had helped in CO. when NO one else even attempted to. So he also has a soft spot in his heart for LW.....He hadn't heard that the young sister worker had left the work either and I told him that I had had NO confirmation of that fact, but it wouldn't surprise me that the young lady just had had about as much as she could bear....so I'm still praying for her sake in all of this.....This friend also gave me some shocking news and I couldn't believe it, but pretty well had to...the couple had left the 2x2's and had enjoyed going to a Calvary Chapel Church the only drawb eck was the type of music they embraced....same as I didn't tolerate! Sheesh! So I'm wondering just how current the count is for exiting folks? Scott or CD one mentioned 40,000. Seems there might be some recent was that's not been counted?
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Jan 30, 2014 14:57:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 14:57:17 GMT -5
Thank you, Edgar for your work and link to that Vietnam site. How people can continue in their staunch 2&2 worker support in the light of what has happened there and throughout the world, is beyond some of us. And this has everything to do with the love of and for those people we've had to leave behind there.
Expressing only for myself, my Absolute is found in my Lord and God and HIS (Will, Word and Power) workings in my life. Without them, I'd have no such beliefs at all. Dennis, this made me think of the long phone conversation I had last night with a former friend....actually a brother of William Lewis....he had NOt heard about the VN situation...and after I told him, he drew a long breath and was so quite I begin to think we'd been disconnected. He also asked what the deal about Leslie White was, so I informed him.....he knows folks that LW had helped in CO. when NO one else even attempted to. So he also has a soft spot in his heart for LW.....He hadn't heard that the young sister worker had left the work either and I told him that I had had NO confirmation of that fact, but it wouldn't surprise me that the young lady just had had about as much as she could bear....so I'm still praying for her sake in all of this.....This friend also gave me some shocking news and I couldn't believe it, but pretty well had to...the couple had left the 2x2's and had enjoyed going to a Calvary Chapel Church the only drawb eck was the type of music they embraced....same as I didn't tolerate! Sheesh! So I'm wondering just how current the count is for exiting folks? Scott or CD one mentioned 40,000. Seems there might be some recent was that's not been counted? You have to be careful with the "exiting" numbers, as quite a few of those exits were via coffin....ie deaths of the huge older generation not getting replaced by the younger generation. We only have a good idea of the change of the gross number, we don't have a good handle on how many actually quit while living......but that is certainly a substantial number too. One thing we do see is that of the 40% decline in numbers since the early 1990's, a greater number came in the most recent decade than the first decade so the decline appears to be accelerating. Whether it continues to accelerate is a guess, but it appears that it will almost certainly continue to decline for the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 4:07:07 GMT -5
Other anti-2x2 websites have always point back to TTT website as the leader for 2x2 history information. The information on TTT website has helped Hoa to make his final decision leaving the work. Darrel unwise, ungodly behaviors started the MESS but it was the TTT website that put the final nail to the coffin with Hoa relationship with the current 2x2 friends and workers in Vietnam. I can understand it from the perspective of the twisted 2x2 mindset, but at the same time I wonder how you can regard Hoa as 'in the coffin' -- He is one of the very few workers that has stood true to his convictions, and has been willing to follow the leading of Gods spirit to his heart, in all simplicity and truth - quite in line with Jesus examples. I have enough confidence in many other of the lower ranking workers to know that they understand the sorry mess that their leadership put them in -- quite outside the will of God. They would like to have the spiritual freedom to serve God as Hoa is doing from the bottom of his heart. --- Yet the bondage of 2x2ism makes this impossible for them -- until the day they find the courage to do as Hoa has done, and break loose from the shackles that bind them. I believe that God is very anxious for Chau to find the same courage and faith to do as Hoa has done -- God has never been dependent on an organization to fulfill his will on the earth .. the only thing necessary is the genuine and beautiful spirit of Christ -- Quite obviously completely lost within 2x2ism. Edgar Nathan is this what your 2x2 mind regards as 'in the coffin'? www.2x2vietnam.info/ImpelledByLove.htm
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Jan 31, 2014 4:27:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 4:27:21 GMT -5
I can understand it from the perspective of the twisted 2x2 mindset, but at the same time I wonder how you can regard Hoa as 'in the coffin' -- He is one of the very few workers that has stood true to his convictions, and has been willing to follow the leading of Gods spirit to his heart, in all simplicity and truth - quite in line with Jesus examples. I have enough confidence in many other of the lower ranking workers to know that they understand the sorry mess that their leadership put them in -- quite outside the will of God. They would like to have the spiritual freedom to serve God as Hoa is doing from the bottom of his heart. --- Yet the bondage of 2x2ism makes this impossible for them -- until the day they find the courage to do as Hoa has done, and break loose from the shackles that bind them. I believe that God is very anxious for Chau to find the same courage and faith to do as Hoa has done -- God has never been dependent on an organization to fulfill his will on the earth .. the only thing necessary is the genuine and beautiful spirit of Christ -- Quite obviously completely lost within 2x2ism. I don't believe Chau will follow Hoa's example. It would be interesting to find out whether both of them discuss TTT website information about William Irvine among themselves. I hope Dale will trust Chau and let him labor in VN among the current friends where he can be a great help to MANY. Neither you nor I can know the choice that Chau is in the process of making - My hope is that he will follow the leading of the spirit of Christ. But at the moment I believe that Hoa is fulfilling the will of God and bringing truth to the needy in Vietnam in a very beautiful way. But yes, I hope that Chau will somehow or other be relieved of the baby sitting job 2x2ism has banished him to in Cambodia, and leave all these 2x2 political intriges behind. There are many who love and need him in Vietnam, as I understand it.
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Post by xuanhoan on Jan 31, 2014 7:37:38 GMT -5
I continue with my story. On the liberation day, all foreigner servants left Vietnam. I was a newbie believer then. I was thankful to two brother local servants and three sister local ones sometimes visiting me. Some friends in Saigon took notes in the gospel meetings (the new government continued permitting the gospel meeting lasting some years later) and sent through post office to me. Every year I went to Saigon to attend convention on three first days of new lunar year. Ah! by the way, now I am typing is the first day of new lunar year. I would like to wish all of you a new year full of health and grace from our Lord. On this occasion, I encountered Minh Thanh and made family with her. She left Saigon and moved 300 km to Dalat. Although we didn't have any servants of God as often, our Sunday morning meetings happened between both of us and a few friends later. In 2002 we moved back to Saigon, after more than 20 years together in Dalat. My wife had an optimistic view to say that we returned Saigon after an honey moon trip of more than 20 years. Through the posts of my wife, you can know the rest of my story. I always thank God for keeping our faith, our little family until today and heading towards future I would ask God to continue keeping our faith and our little family to the end. I cherish the word from Edgarmassey :" the only thing necessary is the genuine and beautiful spirit of Christ" Nowadays, I can't ride motorbike because 3 years ago I had a stroke. My wife instructs me to use the bus. One time, at the central bus station, I got on a bus. I didn't know whether the bus pass by the place A where I wanted to reach. I asked the people surrounding. There was one man eager to tell me "the bus not passing by the place A" and he enthusiastically guided me what bus number to take. I was very grateful to him. And I related to spiritual things. I used to be on the bus of Catholic, and someone told me that the bus I was on could not take me to the destination. Now I was on the bus of Two by two. Once more I didn't see the signs that led me to Heaven, and I thank to Cheri Kropp with the website Telling The Truth which discloses many truth, saying to me loudly that the bus two by two doesn't take me to Kingdom of God. I can confirm this alert through the Canadian workers and overseers behaviour. I didn't see the Spirit of God in them. That's why I value the utterance of Edgarmassey: " The only thing necessary is the genuine and beautiful spirit of Christ"
May brothers and sisters everywhere pray to God for us to have the beautiful Spirit of God, and wisdom for us to choose a true bus to the Kingdom of God
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 31, 2014 9:32:35 GMT -5
Thanks for writing your life story, Xuan Hoan.
Love the bus analogy!
Now your family is on the Jesus Only bus! Does the VN hymnbook have the hymn: Jesus Only is our Message?
Always remember that it wasnt God who let you down--it was men.
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Jan 31, 2014 12:26:52 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 12:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by minhthanh on Jan 31, 2014 12:40:44 GMT -5
One thing I want to remind Nathan that, all the golden friends leave the 2x2 felowship just only not seeing the Canadian overseer leading as in the Bible taught. We haven't seen the love, the truth, or the righteousness in their work. Many friends till now didn't read or know any thing about the origin of the 2x2ism. We leave for seeing their fruit, not because any website, very few Vietnamese friends can understand English or working with computer. In Luke 6:44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Today I share with you all our first meeting in the year 2014. Today is the first day of our Lunar Year, instead go to visit together, we have a gathering to thank God for His guide, and blessing upon us. The lady sit beside me was an ex.elder's wife. Her name is Bình. Tân & Bình is a couple very helpful for the workers and friends in VN. They are ready present when or where ever in needy. Many times they acompany with uncle Châu & Hoa to visit friends from the South to the North. Combine my name and her name, Thanh Bình means Peace. Missing uncle Châu, we jokes together. For puting us aside we wonder if uncle Châu still have peace in his heart? For keeping the sheep, uncle Hoa has full of joy with peace, free labor for God's work. Thanks for God have helped us strengh to free from the bound of man, that Uncle Hoa had said as "Cái tròng".
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Jan 31, 2014 12:58:33 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 12:58:33 GMT -5
One thing I want to remind Nathan that, all the golden friends leave the 2x2 felowship just only not seeing the Canadian overseer leading as in the Bible taught. We haven't seen the love, the truth, or the righteousness in their work. Many friends till now didn't read or know any thing about the origin of the 2x2ism. We leave for seeing their fruit, not because any website, very few Vietnamese friends can understand English or working with computer. In Luke 6:44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Today I share with you all our first meeting in the year 2014. Today is the first day of our Lunar Year, instead go to visit together, we have a gathering to thank God for His guide, and blessing upon us. The lady sit beside me was an ex.elder's wife. Her name is Bình. Tân & Bình is a couple very helpful for the workers and friends in VN. They are ready present when or where ever in needy. Many times they acompany with uncle Châu & Hoa to visit friends from the South to the North. Combine my name and her name, Thanh Bình means Peace.Missing uncle Châu, we jokes together. For puting us aside we wonder if uncle Châu still have peace in his heart? For keeping the sheep, uncle Hoa has full of joy with peace, free labor for God's work. Thanks for God have helped us strengh to free from the bound of man, that Uncle Hoa had said as "Cái tròng". Reminds me of what Nehemiah told the people in Neh 8:10...for the joy of the Lord is your strength.
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Post by fixit on Jan 31, 2014 13:56:07 GMT -5
One thing I want to remind Nathan that, all the golden friends leave the 2x2 felowship just only not seeing the Canadian overseer leading as in the Bible taught. We haven't seen the love, the truth, or the righteousness in their work. I would like workers all over the world to comprehend what MT is saying. Being on an overseers staff might give workers security and a feeling of power and prestige, but only the leading of the Spirit and evidence of the fruit of the Spirit will bring people to Christ.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 13:58:00 GMT -5
If someone bases a decision on facts, how can that be wrong Nathan?
As near as I can tell from your posts, the ONLY thing that you have pointed out that (you believe) to be false on the TTT is WHO started the fellowship and WHEN it was started.
Do you seriously think that the decisions people make would be different if a different name or date were used? I have never cared who started the fellowship, or when, it was that it started just like any other denomination did. SOMEBODY started it, and they did so around 1900. That is as far back as the fellowship can be traced.
If the workers and friends would embrace their history, it would sure make things a lot easier on the workers going forward.
In Vietnam, it isn't about the history. That country has its own history about how the fellowship started there. They have the beginning workers showing up, carrying the message, and then native workers continuing that message and caring for the people.
Now there is a new chapter in their history. That of workers from another country coming in and destroying the fellowship that they once had. And for what? They have come in and destroyed the unity of spirit in order to 'retake the country'.
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Jan 31, 2014 14:19:54 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Jan 31, 2014 14:19:54 GMT -5
So, it seems Chau does not agree with Hoa decision in leaving the work and 2x2 fellowship. Perhaps Chau does not agree with the overseers and their minions leaving Hoa and the golden friends?
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 14:22:27 GMT -5
If someone bases a decision on facts, how can that be wrong Nathan? As near as I can tell from your posts, the ONLY thing that you have pointed out that (you believe) to be false on the TTT is WHO started the fellowship and WHEN it was started. Do you seriously think that the decisions people make would be different if a different name or date were used? I have never cared who started the fellowship, or when, it was that it started just like any other denomination did. SOMEBODY started it, and they did so around 1900. That is as far back as the fellowship can be traced. If the workers and friends would embrace their history, it would sure make things a lot easier on the workers going forward. In Vietnam, it isn't about the history. That country has its own history about how the fellowship started there. They have the beginning workers showing up, carrying the message, and then native workers continuing that message and caring for the people. Now there is a new chapter in their history. That of workers from another country coming in and destroying the fellowship that they once had. And for what? They have come in and destroyed the unity of spirit in order to 'retake the country'. If it based on facts how come Hoa is the ONLY one, leaving the ministry And Chau is NOT following in Hoa footstep. Darrel had mistreated Chau badly more than Hoa.... They put chau out of the work, and he is still NOT leaving, but encouraging the golden friends who left fellowship to return. So, it seems Chau does not agree with Hoa decision in leaving the work and 2x2 fellowship.I wasn't talking about any workers leaving. I was talking about what happened to the fellowship there. Interesting that Chau is continuing in the work....but has been put out of the work..... Can you give us some facts concerning your statement that Chau does not agree with Hoa's decision to leave the work? Did he tell you that? Or do you suppose that Chau is holding out hope that the foreigners will decide to leave the country and it will return to what it was before they came in and destroyed the fellowship there?
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Post by fixit on Jan 31, 2014 14:32:54 GMT -5
Vietnam is a great lesson for the overseers, but will they see it?
Instead of learning from the success of native Vietnamese workers and rolling it out to other parts of the world, they chose to impose their system and their rule.
When that doesn't work, they'll blame the native workers.
Ác giả, ác báo
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Jan 31, 2014 14:44:12 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 14:44:12 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about any workers leaving. I was talking about what happened to the fellowship there. Interesting that Chau is continuing in the work....but has been put out of the work..... Can you give us some facts concerning your statement that Chau does not agree with Hoa's decision to leave the work? Did he tell you that? Or do you suppose that Chau is holding out hope that the foreigners will decide to leave the country and it will return to what it was before they came in and destroyed the fellowship there? Chau has written to me that, Hoa had problems with Darrel when they were together as companions in 2009. Minhthanh wrote some where on here, when Hoa left the work.... chau said, "May God be with you" He didn't join up with Hoa. Chau is holding out because he believes this way if of God, and God will sort things out in His own time. Chau wants Lyle S. to TRUST him, he is not going to turn against them. Chau is for them NOT against them. Chau wants to help the current friends, and the golden friends in VN but it seems Dale thinks they could do without Chau's help right now. Chau accepts their decision and just labor until his time is over on this earth.You are stating these things as fact, Nathan. Can you tell us truthfully that Chau has personally told you the following? 1Chau is holding out because he believes this way if of God, and God will sort things out in His own time.
2-Chau wants Lyle S. to TRUST him, he is not going to turn against them.
3-Chau is for them NOT against them.
4-Chau wants to help the current friends, and the golden friends in VN but it seems Dale thinks they could do without Chau's help right now.
5-Chau accepts their decision and just labor until his time is over on this earth.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jan 31, 2014 15:08:18 GMT -5
OK. So you stated as facts..... those things which were only your speculations.
Thanks for clarifying.
The one fact you stated, that Hoa had problems with Darrel, is very relevant as to why Hoa has left the work. Quite a few workers leave the work because of issues with companions they have been assigned to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 15:17:40 GMT -5
The most incredible thing about this whole mess in Vietnam has nothing to do with the selfish mistakes that senior workers have made, or the meaningless hope some would have that all of a sudden things are going to be 'put right' within the 2x2 organization.
To me it is so amazingly beautiful to see how God has been able to preserve and foster the Christian spirit in the hearts and lives of so many of these 'golden' folks there. How they have bravely purposed to resist the evil, and stand up for the Christian principles of love, forgiveness and mercy -- of humility and steadfastness including personal sacrifice and long suffering -- and much more .
As well, we have seen folks bravely put their faith and trust in the leading of Gods hand -- not knowing where it may lead.. but trusting that these basic Christian principles they believe in will lead them aright, whatever the future may bring.
Isn't this a wonderful example of the true essence of Christianity? -- in real life before our eyes? One of the gifts TMB has given us, is the privilege of sharing in this experience.
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Jan 31, 2014 15:57:20 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Jan 31, 2014 15:57:20 GMT -5
Chau wants to help the current friends, and the golden friends in VN but it seems Dale thinks they could do without Chau's help right now. Chau accepts their decision and just labor until his time is over on this earth. Do you mean Dale Shultz? Why is Dale interfering in Vietnam?
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Post by fixit on Jan 31, 2014 16:40:50 GMT -5
Jan 29, 2014 at 6:21am minhthanh said: I don't know how uncle Hoa know about TTT website. In 2013, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherie as she requested". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherie and thanks for her hard working, tell Cherie, that I had read her website 5 years ago (2009). Her writing helped me decide to leave the work, for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written." That all I know about uncle Hoa concerning to the TTT website. There's nothing there to suggest that Cherie's recording of the fellowship's history has anything to do with Hoa not being under the overseers yoke. Most people who left don't care that William Irvine was the first worker of our fellowship. What they care about is being lied to. Here's the problem: - Cherie is particular about getting the facts right.
- The ministry is NOT particular about getting the facts right.
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Jan 31, 2014 16:51:44 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Jan 31, 2014 16:51:44 GMT -5
Here's the problem: - Cherie is particular about getting the facts right.
- The ministry is NOT particular about getting the facts right.
And as can be seen on this board, neither is Nathan particular about getting the facts right...
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 31, 2014 17:02:48 GMT -5
nate wrote: It seems in Hoa's case, he said TTT website has helped him to LEAVE the ministry. TTT was only a contributing factor - no doubt there were several issues that led up to Hoa's leaving the 2x2 ministry led by 2x2 Overseers in VN. It's important to realize that Uncle Hoa hasnt stopped ministering...He's still an active Christian minister. Several have professed since he began preaching on his own. And he's ministered and comforted many others. MT has told us about this. To use Xuan Hoan's bus analogy--Uncle Hoa has changed busses - now he's on the Jesus Only bus with the Golden Friends, and Jesus is their driver. Lyle is driving the 2x2 bus, which sometimes goes astray.
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nate wrote: It seems in Hoa's case, he said TTT website has helped him to LEAVE the ministry. TTT was only a contributing factor - no doubt there were several issues that led up to Hoa's leaving the 2x2 ministry led by 2x2 Overseers in VN. It's important to realize that Uncle Hoa hasnt stopped ministering...He's still an active Christian minister. Several have professed since he began preaching on his own. And he's ministered and comforted many others. MT has told us about this. To use Xuan Hoan's bus analogy--Uncle Hoa has changed busses - now he's on the Jesus Only bus with the Golden Friends, and Jesus is their driver. Lyle is driving the 2x2 bus, which sometimes goes astray. I love that picture...Hoa is on the gospel bus and he's NOT getting off! May God bless that dear soul.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 17:42:09 GMT -5
One thing I want to remind Nathan that, all the golden friends leave the 2x2 felowship just only not seeing the Canadian overseer leading as in the Bible taught. We haven't seen the love, the truth, or the righteousness in their work. Many friends till now didn't read or know any thing about the origin of the 2x2ism. We leave for seeing their fruit, not because any website, very few Vietnamese friends can understand English or working with computer. In Luke 6:44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Today I share with you all our first meeting in the year 2014. Today is the first day of our Lunar Year, instead go to visit together, we have a gathering to thank God for His guide, and blessing upon us. The lady sit beside me was an ex.elder's wife. Her name is Bình. Tân & Bình is a couple very helpful for the workers and friends in VN. They are ready present when or where ever in needy. Many times they acompany with uncle Châu & Hoa to visit friends from the South to the North. Combine my name and her name, Thanh Bình means Peace.Missing uncle Châu, we jokes together. For puting us aside we wonder if uncle Châu still have peace in his heart? For keeping the sheep, uncle Hoa has full of joy with peace, free labor for God's work. Thanks for God have helped us strengh to free from the bound of man, that Uncle Hoa had said as "Cái tròng". Minh Thanh, I have been meaning to ask how your parents are doing these days through it all. I often think of your father and his letters, and hope you will greet him from me -- and let him know that we are thinking of you all -- and thankful for the friendship we feel with you this way.
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Jan 31, 2014 18:24:50 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 31, 2014 18:24:50 GMT -5
Here's the problem: - Cherie is particular about getting the facts right.
- The ministry is NOT particular about getting the facts right.
And as can be seen on this board, neither is Nathan particular about getting the facts right... For some reason all of this "hopeful" that Nathan is about even to the point of accusing Cherie's sight being to blame for a troubled VN worker leaving the work and all the troubles the workers face is brought on with the same thing....when it really is brought on by the workers' own dreams or lies...however they've seen them. It's kind of like the phrase of "Tilting at windwills"....An imaginery foe....being the cause of their own problems!
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Post by minhthanh on Jan 31, 2014 18:51:18 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about any workers leaving. I was talking about what happened to the fellowship there. Interesting that Chau is continuing in the work....but has been put out of the work..... Can you give us some facts concerning your statement that Chau does not agree with Hoa's decision to leave the work? Did he tell you that? Or do you suppose that Chau is holding out hope that the foreigners will decide to leave the country and it will return to what it was before they came in and destroyed the fellowship there? Chau has written to me that, Hoa had problems with Darrel when they were together as companions in 2009. Minhthanh wrote some where on here, when Hoa left the work.... chau said, "May God be with you" He didn't join up with Hoa. Chau is holding out because he believes this way if of God, and God will sort things out in His own time. Chau wants Lyle S. to TRUST him, he is not going to turn against them. Chau is for them NOT against them. Chau wants to help the current friends, and the golden friends in VN but it seems Dale thinks they could do without Chau's help right now. Chau accepts their decision and just labor until his time is over on this earth.This imformation made me cry and feel deep grief with the enduring strength of my dear uncle Hoa for the flock and for the unity of F&W in VN. It was clear for an answer to the very secret question among us... The reason why uncle Hoa had sent to Cambodia on 2009... then early 2010 uncle Châu was kicked out. Now it also clear to me the reason why uncle Hoa want to get rid of "Cái tròng", a few months later, after a careful and deep thinking. Uncle Hoa had to sacrifice his place being as a worker for ringing the bell for the safe of the flock. This information made us more appreciation and respect my uncle Hoa for His endure because of our souls. Yesterday was the first day of Lunar New Year. People believe that the first person came to the house may bring luck or bad happening to that family... We don't believe as our people in VN, because in the past there was a dotty mad man ran into my parents house in the early of Lunar New Year. Gently asking him out, my father said "What will happen with the first step of this mad man?" The result was very happy and sucsessfull year. Yesterday, while we haven't open the door yet. We heard someone unlock the door, immediatly we ran down to the ground floor. It was uncle Hoa, he can unlock our door by himself. I was so happy ran up to him with sudden haste and say "You may bring the blessing and the power of God upon you into my family. Thanks GOD"Answer to Edgarmassay question about my parents. They feel full of joy to have uncle Hoa and friends gathering in their place on the first day of Lunar year. We have had a wonderfull day.
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