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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 16:16:25 GMT -5
So sorry, I thought this was about Scientology (bless their hearts) and the logic errors employed in linking them to my church. That's what I call "willful pollution." Would you please point out the "logic errors"? Or lies? Or distortions. I am a 3rd generation professing person in the 2x2 fellowship, 4 years in the work with 4 overseers, including 2 more men that are now overseers. I am currently an elder, ordained by the workers. Please tell me where I am lying or distorting the truth. I can't wait to read what you have to say. And thank you for blessing the Scientologists hearts- they need them. looks like you are very proud of your achievements, a lot of I's I am's. be good job if you gave God the credit and understand when He says, be still and know that I am God. ever heard of trampling on Gods work? understand this, Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 16:21:15 GMT -5
Whoa... strange site, this!!!! Can't find the bold font or anything else!!!! I have a question (bear in mind that I collected over 20 A4 pages of Unanswered Questions so I am not offended at non-replies or can't replies): If a practicing Scientologist believes in Jesus - are they saved? ummmmm...let me think for a moment. John 3:16, what does it say there? Ah yes; it looks like the answer is yes. how is the answer yes? how can a Scientologist believe in Jesus when firstly they are a Scientologist?
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 17:41:15 GMT -5
The point of the thread is that these practices of the Workers to justify themselves instead of leading people to Jesus are much like the Scientologists. The practice of keeping people in fear of the "outside" when the outside is where they will find truth and freedom is a similar practice to Scientology. Is that anything like the fear Christians have if they don't believe in Jesus as being the only way to be saved? Yes. It is. Many Christians mistakenly believe that Jesus died so that we could go to heaven and not go to hell.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 17:48:05 GMT -5
ummmmm...let me think for a moment. John 3:16, what does it say there? Ah yes; it looks like the answer is yes. how is the answer yes? how can a Scientologist believe in Jesus when firstly they are a Scientologist? That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it.
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 18:01:43 GMT -5
Would you please point out the "logic errors"? Or lies? Or distortions. I am a 3rd generation professing person in the 2x2 fellowship, 4 years in the work with 4 overseers, including 2 more men that are now overseers. I am currently an elder, ordained by the workers. Please tell me where I am lying or distorting the truth. I can't wait to read what you have to say. And thank you for blessing the Scientologists hearts- they need them. looks like you are very proud of your achievements, a lot of I's I am's. be good job if you gave God the credit and understand when He says, be still and know that I am God. ever heard of trampling on Gods work? understand this, Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Oh, goody. Another personal attack instead of commenting on the topic of the thread. But, I shall play along with you.... When one, such as myself, writes in the first person, then one, such as myself, tends to use the pronoun "I". Such a scribe, writing in the first person, may even use the pronoun "I" on many occasions within a post. Please, dear sir or madam, enlighten the gentle readers of this thread, what quantity of the pronoun "I" may be used in a post before we are deemed vain or overly proud? This writer, the one who writes now, has seen and heard personal attacks like yours on many occasions as a member of the group the 2x2s. This writer is experienced in the 2x2 tactics of seeking to discredit any that would dare speak the truth against their beloved fellowship. It is the opinion of this writer that such personal attacks only serve to give credence to the opening post in this thread that the 2x2s behave like the leadership of the Scientologists and seek to isolate such persons, as this writer, from the rest of the group via shunning and whisper campaigns. If, as you accuse or insinuate, this writer is "trampling on God's work" then God is one sick, twisted puppy. This writer, in no form assigns the cruelty of man made religious systems to Him.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 18:25:34 GMT -5
Would you please point out the "logic errors"? Or lies? Or distortions. I am a 3rd generation professing person in the 2x2 fellowship, 4 years in the work with 4 overseers, including 2 more men that are now overseers. I am currently an elder, ordained by the workers. Please tell me where I am lying or distorting the truth. I can't wait to read what you have to say. And thank you for blessing the Scientologists hearts- they need them. looks like you are very proud of your achievements, a lot of I's I am's. be good job if you gave God the credit and understand when He says, be still and know that I am God. ever heard of trampling on Gods work? understand this, Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.
This reminds me of a sermon that Lloyd Wilson liked to preach on Job. He liked to say that Job's problem was that he had too many "I's"(eyes). After that the Friends were afraid to use the personal pronoun. Maybe we are allowed to use just one personal pronoun because Jesus said to let your "I" be single. Can you give me an example from among the Workers when you have witnessed them "being still and knowing that He is God"? What does that LOOK like, dude? Let's make this a practical statement rather than a vague statement that can only be interpreted, "You are not a Godly person because you speak against the Workers, who ARE Godly men."
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 18:29:01 GMT -5
how is the answer yes? how can a Scientologist believe in Jesus when firstly they are a Scientologist? That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it. what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 18:32:20 GMT -5
looks like you are very proud of your achievements, a lot of I's I am's. be good job if you gave God the credit and understand when He says, be still and know that I am God. ever heard of trampling on Gods work? understand this, Isaiah 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the Lord. Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Oh, goody. Another personal attack instead of commenting on the topic of the thread. But, I shall play along with you.... When one, such as myself, writes in the first person, then one, such as myself, tends to use the pronoun "I". Such a scribe, writing in the first person, may even use the pronoun "I" on many occasions within a post. Please, dear sir or madam, enlighten the gentle readers of this thread, what quantity of the pronoun "I" may be used in a post before we are deemed vain or overly proud? This writer, the one who writes now, has seen and heard personal attacks like yours on many occasions as a member of the group the 2x2s. This writer is experienced in the 2x2 tactics of seeking to discredit any that would dare speak the truth against their beloved fellowship. It is the opinion of this writer that such personal attacks only serve to give credence to the opening post in this thread that the 2x2s behave like the leadership of the Scientologists and seek to isolate such persons, as this writer, from the rest of the group via shunning and whisper campaigns. If, as you accuse or insinuate, this writer is "trampling on God's work" then God is one sick, twisted puppy. This writer, in no form assigns the cruelty of man made religious systems to Him. huh what are you on about? looks like you need to hand in your stripes.
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 18:34:08 GMT -5
what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist 2x2 - A Christian Group started by William Irvine Scientology - A religion started by L Ron Hubbard 2x2er - a member of the 2x2s Scientologist - a member of Scientology. Some people see Jesus on toast or in a bowl of spagetti. This vision usually leads to a winning bid of around $5,000 on eBay. But, I must say that I am surprised that you do not see Jesus teaching anything in the 2x2s.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 18:34:18 GMT -5
That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it. what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist Hang on a minute. Do you ALSO know kiwi? If not, I would like to introduce you to hopwood and kiwi. While I am at it, you can locate noels and Linford. You are going to get along with these guys very well. Especially hopwood and kiwi. I would say that you three could live in the same house together in perfect harmony.
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 18:39:03 GMT -5
huh what are you on about? looks like you need to hand in your stripes. Australian or New Zealand, eh? "What are you on about?" is an Aussie or Kiwi term- but I associate it more with Aussie. Could it be that Kiwi is back?! Dare I hope?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 18:39:05 GMT -5
what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist 2x2 - A Christian Group started by William Irvine Scientology - A religion started by L Ron Hubbard 2x2er - a member of the 2x2s Scientologist - a member of Scientology. Some people see Jesus on toast or in a bowl of spagetti. This vision usually leads to a winning bid of around $5,000 on eBay. But, I must say that I am surprised that you do not see Jesus teaching anything in the 2x2s. sorry but you have lost me
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 18:40:55 GMT -5
what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist Hang on a minute. Do you ALSO know kiwi? If not, I would like to introduce you to hopwood and kiwi. While I am at it, you can locate noels and Linford. You are going to get along with these guys very well. Especially hopwood and kiwi. I would say that you three could live in the same house together in perfect harmony. must be good company if you are recommending them
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 18:42:59 GMT -5
huh what are you on about? looks like you need to hand in your stripes. Australian or New Zealand, eh? "What are you on about?" is an Aussie or Kiwi term- but I associate it more with Aussie. Could it be that Kiwi is back?! Dare I hope? a term from the English
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 18:51:57 GMT -5
Australian or New Zealand, eh? "What are you on about?" is an Aussie or Kiwi term- but I associate it more with Aussie. Could it be that Kiwi is back?! Dare I hope? a term from the English Could be South African but it is 2am there. And South Africans rarely chime in on the TMB. They are more isolated and more fearful than most English speaking countries.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2013 19:58:41 GMT -5
Hi Virgo welcome back.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:08:49 GMT -5
Where did virgo go? What is virgo's alter ego? Where did virgo's alter ego go?
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Post by snow on May 22, 2013 20:17:46 GMT -5
Where did virgo go? What is virgo's alter ego? Where did virgo's alter ego go? I think virgo's alter ego may be Kiwi, so I was just acknowledging him and welcoming him back as Virgo! If he's not then welcome to the boards Virgo!
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:26:00 GMT -5
Where did virgo go? What is virgo's alter ego? Where did virgo's alter ego go? I think virgo's alter ego may be Kiwi, so I was just acknowledging him and welcoming him back as Virgo! If he's not then welcome to the boards Virgo! heh hehe... Now, what makes you think Virgo is kiwi?
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Post by Sylvestra on May 22, 2013 20:27:18 GMT -5
Whoa... strange site, this!!!! Can't find the bold font or anything else!!!! I have a question (bear in mind that I collected over 20 A4 pages of Unanswered Questions so I am not offended at non-replies or can't replies): If a practicing Scientologist believes in Jesus - are they saved? Do all professing people, Friends and Workers, believe in Jesus? Are ALL of the Friends and Workers saved? Hmmmm.....If you think they are by virtue of being in Meeting and believing in Jesus, then you believe contrary to what I have heard Workers preach. I have heard Workers say at convention that the World will not be saved and many of the Friends and Workers will not be saved. What do you think? I believe you will agree with the Worker that not all of the Friends and Workers will be saved... And that will get us back on topic And if you disagree with the Workers who preach that, I also do not agree with the lies that the Workers preach...And we are back on topic. ts, I'm not bert, but here's my take on this... All the 2x2's and others who believe Jesus died in their place are "saved". Some, however, have no reward coming based on "the rest of the story" of their lives.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:28:03 GMT -5
That is an easy connection.
Something like this:
If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people.
That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:28:37 GMT -5
That is an easy connection.
Something like this:
If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people.
That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2013 20:33:16 GMT -5
I think virgo's alter ego may be Kiwi, so I was just acknowledging him and welcoming him back as Virgo! If he's not then welcome to the boards Virgo! heh hehe... Now, what makes you think Virgo is kiwi? Well Kiwi had a certain 'flair' to how he posted. This new person Virgo, shares that 'flair' don't you think?
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 20:34:38 GMT -5
That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it. I know you know this, but, for the edification of those that do not, there are a few inaccuracies in your post regarding what Jesus did (and what the 2x2s believe that he did:) 1) Jesus did NOT sent unmarried disciples to be apostles 2) Jesus and His disciples did NOT only meet in homes- they also met at the temple and in various synagogues. Just to be clear up those inaccuracies.
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Post by Sylvestra on May 22, 2013 20:36:07 GMT -5
That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it. what is a 2x2er? i don't see in Jesus teaching 2x2er or Scientologist We also don't see convention, special meeting, Union Sunday, etc. either! A 2x2er are people who fellowship and follow the workers who live and travel 2 and 2.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:37:14 GMT -5
heh hehe... Now, what makes you think Virgo is kiwi? Well Kiwi had a certain 'flair' to how he posted. This new person Virgo, shares that 'flair' don't you think? or a certain "flare"...At least he quit using words like "sweety" and the "kissy face" icon in such condescending ways.
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Post by ts on May 22, 2013 20:48:15 GMT -5
That is an easy connection. Something like this: If you REALLY BELIEVE in Jesus you will DO what HE did and do what he preached. Jesus sent out unmarried disciples 2x2 and they met in homes and not buildings. If you don't have these elements that Jesus taught, then you are only believing the partial gospel of peace and not the fullness of the message. You are, therefore, deceived. While God knows the heart of those who have not yet heard the Workers, hearing the Gospel from Workers will prove whether or not your heart is honest. When you accept that the Workers are the only true ministry and depart from your false teachings and serve God in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH then you will have a revelation of Truth and be in Meeting in fellowship with God's true people. That is how you get to be primarily a 2x2er or a Scientologist or any other system oriented person rather than a Jesus follower. Just plug in your system's beliefs that you equate to Jesus and you have it. I know you know this, but, for the edification of those that do not, there are a few inaccuracies in your post regarding what Jesus did (and what the 2x2s believe that he did:) 1) Jesus did NOT sent unmarried disciples to be apostles 2) Jesus and His disciples did NOT only meet in homes- they also met at the temple and in various synagogues. Just to be clear up those inaccuracies. Thanks for clearing that up. I was just trying to throw them into the accepted 2x2 doctrine even though they do not show up in scripture. I was just stating the doctrine the way the Workers practice and enforce it. The Workers are big on teaching that believing in Jesus is to DO what he did and to LIVE like he lived. Just teaching the truth of the word is not enough. False churches do that. Some churches have part of the truth and others other parts of it. NO church but the 2x2 fellowship has the WHOLE truth, according to the Workers. Other churches ADD TO or TAKE FROM the word and pervert it. However, it is fine if the Workers add the UNMARRIED 2x2 ministry to the doctrine even though neither Jesus nor anyone else in scripture preached or promoted it and many of the disciples WERE married. The reason that you noticed my inaccuracy is because you are just finding fault and are probably bitter and simply expressing a cognitive dissonance because you yourself were in the work and wanted to be married and remain in the work.... If you deny what I say, you are just being defensive and admitting to guilt. Don't worry. I will be sure to tell all your professing friends and family so they kindly shun you so that you will be won back to Truth when you realize the error of your questioning ways.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2013 21:13:14 GMT -5
Is that why people are shunned? So that they'll come back? That's bizarre if it's true.
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