jwatt
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Post by jwatt on Jun 4, 2012 20:20:46 GMT -5
wow what a breakthrough. Well done GT!
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Post by brissiegirl on Jun 4, 2012 21:27:30 GMT -5
This bit,
In the last year or so there has been quite a lot of discussion about matters in Victoria, Australia. I find it very saddening and have to say that I feel that the response of the ministry has not been adequate. There is no point in trying to make an apology because words can't deliver.
Pity he doesn't mention Qld too.
Can someone tell me in what way hasn't the response of the ministry in Vic been adequate?
Has there been no apology in Vic for all that has happened?
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Post by meg1 on Jun 4, 2012 22:09:13 GMT -5
Truth spoken publically with courage is beautiful to see. It makes everyone better! Well done Graham.
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Post by bsnider on Jun 4, 2012 23:38:54 GMT -5
That is a nice message. More power to Worker Graham!
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:00:11 GMT -5
No I don't live in Auckland but we had much the same about marriage and the sanctity of marriage, about what the world and even some churches have allowed what we should not follow. |
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:03:00 GMT -5
Special Meetings in Auckland NZ on June 4, 2012 Sp. Mtg on Monday?  Our special meeting was on Monday actual, it is a public holiday here. |
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:04:15 GMT -5
Special Meetings in Auckland NZ on June 4, 2012 Sp. Mtg on Monday? Yes. Special Mtg was on Monday. Since we posted the transcript early Monday morning, that must mean it was a midnight meeting eh?  No the meeting started at 10am Monday. |
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Post by shushy on Jun 5, 2012 0:04:39 GMT -5
I feel relieved.
This has been a long time coming.
My family had not been informed about the CSA and live in the area.
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:05:42 GMT -5
My sentiments as well. I am also wondering whether the recent activity on TMB increased the need for something like this ....... did the constant pressure on our good friend noels give Graham confidence that now the time was ripe for this sermon? Just my opinion, but I think Graham is in a space right now where he is more free than almost any other regular worker on the planet to follow the Spirit. I hope that all other workers will get into that space too. Then, rather than fretting about admitting errors and weaknesses of the F&W, they can be free to act and speak according to their consciences. Most workers fret about the impact of their words on their fellow ministers first, then on the friends, then whether or not they are saying the right thing. They need to feel free to reverse that order. Graham has gotten the order right. Graham is not new here we have many like him in ladies and men. |
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:11:10 GMT -5
You people tend to forget to give God the praise Graham would be horrified to get any recognition for what was spoken, he is a servant of the most high an would be recognised as such.
Of all I heard yesterday I thanked God for.
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:13:56 GMT -5
That is a nice message. More power to Worker Graham! The only power that Graham seeks is from God in which he would say that he is nothing and has nothing without God. |
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Post by mira on Jun 5, 2012 0:48:38 GMT -5
Kiwi, actually yours was very different to what GT said. Please don't put them in the same category. And yes, you're right, Graham would give the power to God. That goes without saying.
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 0:59:03 GMT -5
Kiwi, actually yours was very different to what GT said. Please don't put them in the same category. And yes, you're right, Graham would give the power to God. That goes without saying. I will put them in the same category thanks very much because they both had to do with behaviours of Gods people  I don't know how Graham can give power to God? |
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 1:29:02 GMT -5
This is fantastic! Exactly the kind of message that many professing folks have been asking to hear clearly spoken by workers from the patform. This is definitely going to be the 'post of the week'!!!! Scott would you be so kind as to forward it to those workers you have had dealings with over the matter of CSA. |
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Post by kiwi on Jun 5, 2012 1:35:11 GMT -5
My sentiments as well. I am also wondering whether the recent activity on TMB increased the need for something like this ....... did the constant pressure on our good friend noels give Graham confidence that now the time was ripe for this sermon? Don't be to sure about that |
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2012 6:06:54 GMT -5
New Zealand a world leader again. Monday was Queens birthday holiday in NZ.
Why GTs aversion to using the words sexual abuse? I couldn't see the mention of the word in his sermon. Although he did say to ask him, but CSA would have no meaning for a lot. A lot on here would not have heard it unless they read it here. But for protecting children in general it was good.
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Post by spiders on Jun 5, 2012 6:19:27 GMT -5
Does anybody know if Alan R was there to hear GT's sermon?
Would he agree with what was said!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 6:28:37 GMT -5
New Zealand a world leader again. Monday was Queens birthday holiday in NZ. Why GTs aversion to using the words sexual abuse? I couldn't see the mention of the word in his sermon. Although he did say to ask him, but CSA would have no meaning for a lot. A lot on here would not have heard it unless they read it here. But for protecting children in general it was good. They're just not used to using words that aren't in the 2x2 dictionary. I remember many friends and workers feeling uncomfortable about using words like TV (television), radio, even words like Christian. Nevertheless it's a great start. A brave sermon? That's a testimony in itself. In fact it's a sad indictment that a person cannot openly speak about these things without having to be "brave" and uncomfortable about using proper terminology. However, a start had to be made somewhere and this was better than what could have been expected. The sooner they get used to some real world terms the sooner they will make positive progress with these things. |
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Post by spiders on Jun 5, 2012 7:38:15 GMT -5
This bit, In the last year or so there has been quite a lot of discussion about matters in Victoria, Australia. I find it very saddening and have to say that I feel that the response of the ministry has not been adequate. There is no point in trying to make an apology because words can't deliver.Pity he doesn't mention Qld too. Can someone tell me in what way hasn't the response of the ministry in Vic been adequate? Has there been no apology in Vic for all that has happened? To my knowledge there has been no public apology for what happened in Vic nearly two years ago. There is still a lot of miss information being spread around with some people refusing to acknowledge that that anything happened even though the abuser was convicted. The victims have received little or no support and have been encouraged to keep quiet and not report their abuse to the authorities. Vic/Tas needs a man of Graham Thompsons integrity! What is the problem in Qld? |
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 5, 2012 7:59:25 GMT -5
This is fantastic! Exactly the kind of message that many professing folks have been asking to hear clearly spoken by workers from the patform. This is definitely going to be the 'post of the week'!!!! Scott would you be so kind as to forward it to those workers you have had dealings with over the matter of CSA. It as been being shared with others kiwi. I know that one sister worker who is an abuse survivor herself has sent it to several other workers. Thanks for suggesting that though! It is a really good idea. |
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Post by quizzer on Jun 5, 2012 9:24:44 GMT -5
Scott would you be so kind as to forward it to those workers you have had dealings with over the matter of CSA. It as been being shared with others kiwi. I know that one sister worker who is an abuse survivor herself has sent it to several other workers. Thanks for suggesting that though! It is a really good idea. Hey, how 'bout sending it to Truth Archive? That way, you don't have to copy and paste. You just have to send a link. |
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 5, 2012 9:41:02 GMT -5
It as been being shared with others kiwi. I know that one sister worker who is an abuse survivor herself has sent it to several other workers. Thanks for suggesting that though! It is a really good idea. Hey, how 'bout sending it to Truth Archive? That way, you don't have to copy and paste. You just have to send a link. I have been sharing the link to the sermon as it is listed on the BTS board: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=179If you would like it in the Truth Archive, just can just copy it onto a word document and use it I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 11:33:40 GMT -5
"Monday was Queens birthday holiday in NZ. "
Enuf - are you sure??
It was Queen's JUBILEE holiday in UK.
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2012 14:41:43 GMT -5
"Monday was Queens birthday holiday in NZ. " Enuf - are you sure?? It was Queen's JUBILEE holiday in UK. Yes I am sure. NZ has a public holiday on the first Monday of June every year and Auckland has been having its special meeting on that day for years. It was nothing to do with the Queens Jubilee but it was good it was also on that weekend. Australia has its Queens birthday next Monday - all except Western Australia who have it later in the year. It is not the Queens real birthday and maybe they choose that day because of that was the day she took the throne. New Zealanders again being smart thinkers. |
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Post by Grant on Jun 5, 2012 14:54:46 GMT -5
This still concerns me greatly.
"we are speaking of is a matter that is referred to often in current terminology as CSA. The first word of these three is child and the last is abuse or assault and the middle one I am not going to voice but it begins with s and refers to a kind of physical mistreatment that is of the cruellest, basest, most defiling and most damaging kind."
It is called sexual abuse of children, not CSA except when writing on this board for abbreviation. Have you ever heard it called CSA when people are speaking.
It is called Sexual abuse of children. Spell it out!! There is nothing wrong with calling it what it is. Aren't they trying to stamp out sexual abuse against children and the secrecy that goes with it. Next children will be told they are not allowed to say that word. Maybe one of the reasons was that there would have been children present but then children need to hear and be educated about it.
I think GT has been reading this board too much - which is good. They have stopped calling conventions, conventions but annual meetings. It is good some of the traditions are changing but I thought that they had no governing body who makes decisions. Seems like i thought wrong as someone other than God is controlling what goes on down here on earth - which is not a bad thing as they got it so wrong when they left it to men who claimed God's anointing.
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Post by quizzer on Jun 5, 2012 16:46:53 GMT -5
Hey, how 'bout sending it to Truth Archive? That way, you don't have to copy and paste. You just have to send a link. I have been sharing the link to the sermon as it is listed on the BTS board: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=179If you would like it in the Truth Archive, just can just copy it onto a word document and use it I think. Woo-hoo! Thank you kindly! |
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Post by Scott Ross on Jun 5, 2012 17:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by JO on Jun 5, 2012 17:13:25 GMT -5
It is called Sexual abuse of children. Spell it out!! There is nothing wrong with calling it what it is. GT's message was ground breaking enough for me to not be concerned about the omission of the word "sexual". Its not a word that is used in meetings, probably because most people use the antiquated King James Version of the bible. |
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