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Post by JO on Jun 18, 2012 22:53:41 GMT -5
Those who complain about GT naming VicTas as a place where issues have not been dealt with adequately are playing cheap politics, nothing else. Let's call a spade a spade, it has not been dealt with properly over there and they need to fix it. Apparently CSA has not been dealt with properly over there in VicTas, over there in ScotIre, and here is USA. Might be that Graeme thought the people needed to know for sure he was not speaking of somewhere else. So often we can think and have thought in the F&W....well, he must mean someone else or must mean that other place....certainly not me and certainly not here. Friends and workers everywhere need to learn about child sexual abuse because there's so much of it and the effects are life-changing and life-threatening. Lessons can be learned by acknowledging that the response of the ministry has not been adequate. Let's not get bent out of shape by criticism. Its an opportunity for improvement. We're all learning as we go along. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 23:19:22 GMT -5
"I consulted Christie Mann, a certified, professional leadership coach who teaches execs how to give and receive feedback in a way that is beneficial to both parties. “It might sounds corny, but the first thing you need to realize is that receiving well-intentioned, constructive feedback is a gift,” she tells me, adding that the more we solicit feedback, the easier it is to receive. On the plus side, this means that simply by getting suggestions for self-improvement, I will be improving.
The best advice on how to actually receive criticism came from a friend who works as a defence attorney: “Make eye contact and listen with your mouth shut. If you must open your mouth, it should be to say ‘thank you.’ ” Extreme, perhaps, but this bit of seemingly obvious advice helped enormously in terms of getting out of my own way. Shut up and listen became my secret mantra."www.theglobeandmail.com/life/how-i-learned-to-shut-up-and-listen-to-constructive-criticism/article4271422/
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Post by JO on Jun 20, 2012 19:18:12 GMT -5
The following words from Graham would have to be some of the most meaningful ever preached by a worker:
I find it very saddening and have to say that I feel that the response of the ministry has not been adequate.
There is no point in trying to make an apology because words can't deliver. But what is really needed is that most profound of all apologies and that is reform of attitude and beginning to acknowledge where there has been error and the committed purpose and earnestness to ensure that where there has been error that there will not be error again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 22:53:06 GMT -5
The following words from Graham would have to be some of the most meaningful ever preached by a worker: I find it very saddening and have to say that I feel that the response of the ministry has not been adequate.
There is no point in trying to make an apology because words can't deliver. But what is really needed is that most profound of all apologies and that is reform of attitude and beginning to acknowledge where there has been error and the committed purpose and earnestness to ensure that where there has been error that there will not be error again.I believe I have never heard of something like that before. My confidence in the ministry group would go up (not down) if I heard more of them speaking like that. It indicates a humility to admit error which is the first step in making something right. |
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Post by spiders on Jun 21, 2012 5:57:25 GMT -5
The following words from Graham would have to be some of the most meaningful ever preached by a worker: I find it very saddening and have to say that I feel that the response of the ministry has not been adequate.
There is no point in trying to make an apology because words can't deliver. But what is really needed is that most profound of all apologies and that is reform of attitude and beginning to acknowledge where there has been error and the committed purpose and earnestness to ensure that where there has been error that there will not be error again.This was in relation to the way in which CSA has been handled in Vic. From what I have heard this comment has upset the overseer of Vic. who thinks that these comments are not warranted. However most people in Vic would agree with the observation made by GT and if the overseer in Vic had any sense of decency he would take these comments to heart and communicate things relating to CSA properly. This would stop the gossiping and misinformation that is rife amongst the friends |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 18:14:14 GMT -5
Two weeks have now passed since Graham Thompson’s message at Special Meetings. It struck home to me again today how, as far as I am aware, there has been no fault found anywhere regarding the approach that Graham has outlined for dealing with csa cases. I think that is very significant when we consider the different types of people who roam and participate on Boards such as this. It’s a reminder that ‘Truth’ stands tall and will not be toppled.
I sense this thread has almost run its course and will soon fade away. That being the case, I hope that NZ friends and workers never forget Graham’s message and particularly keep it in mind whenever new csa cases raise their head among us. We should each keep a copy of his message close at hand, so we can readily access it when required. We all have responsibilities to victims and each other, to ensure that such cases are dealt with appropriately and impartially in future.
It is very pleasing to know that Graham’s message has spread throughout NZ for so many to read and understand. Graham has also laboured in a couple of other countries, and I know people from those parts who have also expressed their appreciation for Graham’s message. A point that comes through from those people is that Graham has always been someone who has fought for ‘truth’ sometimes at cost to himself. Again, when I compare my own feeble attempts at standing for truth at various times in my life, I am grateful for the strength of character of someone like this.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jun 21, 2012 18:21:49 GMT -5
Spencer wrote: Two weeks have now passed since Graham Thompson’s message at Special Meetings. It struck home to me again today how, as far as I am aware, there has been no fault found anywhere regarding the approach that Graham has outlined for dealing with csa cases. I think that is very significant when we consider the different types of people who roam and participate on Boards such as this. It’s a reminder that ‘Truth’ stands tall and will not be toppled.
Quoted from post 307. This was the response of some.
"Some folks felt Graham's message spoiled an otherwise lovely day of meetings. Some felt his message didn't apply to the fellowship - none of us would stoop to ungodliness of this nature. Some felt special meetings was not the place to be discussing such a topic.
Its precisely because of the above attitudes that sexual predators have been handed a perfect environment for their evil deeds. And its because of these attitudes that Graham's message was necessary."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 18:39:21 GMT -5
Thanks. That’s a good illustration of people who might not like the message having been said, yet have not been able to point out a flaw in Graham’s approach to dealing with csa cases. This all adds weight to the excellence of Graham’s address.
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