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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 11, 2008 16:48:04 GMT -5
I got this e-mail this morning and thought I should share it with you, also included is my reply. Dear James, I am emailing you to request removal of an article from your website (thefriendsandworkerscult.com) which was originally authored by David Legge (http://www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults12.ml). By hosting this article on your website, you are in breach of our copyright statement, which reads "All material by David Legge is copyrighted. However, these materials may be freely copied and distributed unaltered for the purpose of study and teaching, so long as they are made available to others free of charge, and this copyright is included. This does not include hosting or broadcasting the materials on another website, however linking to the resources on preachtheword.com is permitted. These materials may not, in any manner, be sold or used to solicit 'donations' from others, nor may they be included in anything you intend to copyright, sell, or offer for a fee. This copyright is exercised to keep these materials freely available to all. Any exceptions to these conditions must be explicitly approved by Preach The Word". David Legge himself contacted me today, having come across the article and being surprised to see it hosted on another website. Not only is this in breach of our copyright, but your site gives the appearance that you have authored the article, and also solicits 'donations' which we do not even ask for ourselves. We request immediate removal of the article from your site, and I believe an apology to David would be in order. Not only is the material in the article copyrighted by David and preachtheword.com, but it is part of his recently published book which is copyrighted by Ambassador-Emerald publications (http://www.emeraldhouse.com). If you wish to share the article with others, you are welcome to provide a link to the page at Preach The Word (http://www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults12.ml). Yours sincerely, -- Andrew Watkins Email: director@preachtheword.com Web: www.preachtheword.com"Preach the Word!" - 2 Tim 4:2 AND HERE IS MY REPLY: .....Well the first thing is that I don't get a cent from the opening page. Any donations are in response directly with my manuscript and to date there has only been one donation, people are happy to look at my manuscript but don't want to pay...typical......but my main purpose is to tell the truth and help set the people free. I was born and raised in this cult and know first hand about it. I wanted to put something together to explain biblically about this cult I was raised in and my work was very close to what (David Legge I understand) had done. But with one exception and that was how he managed to compile it so well. There where a few inaccuracies and some details that needed to be adjusted. While I understand your concerns at me having this on my web site for the past time my main concern is that the truth be told in the best possible way to set the people free and educate them biblically. If you have the same heart motive as me you will see beyond all the red tape and understand we are all fighting to get people into heaven and out of hell! It appears D Legge is writing about the cult I suffered in, I would be interested how he arrived at his work. Once again the article I wrote was very similar. I do not want to remove this information but am willing to include a brief summery of the above with D Legge name included and maybe his website. This is the best I can do, I hope it helps and you can forward this e-mail to whoever you like, Kind Regards James Durston
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 17:21:15 GMT -5
Mr Durston - Is it ok if I download your book from your website without making a donation and then provide it on my own website where it can be downloaded by anyone for free? I'm also planning to forward it to everyone on the board and invite them to make a donation to me so I can have a holiday - I trust that is ok? Note that I'm also planning to include the complete works of albert camus (minus the inaccuracies) free of charge as I believe that it's important that people get to understand that the whole world is absurd. Matt10
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 11, 2008 18:35:35 GMT -5
Mat10: Hey buddy, do what the Lord tells you to do, if thats what the Lord is telling you to do....well do it. Just make sure that you are comfortable with your heart motive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 18:44:24 GMT -5
James, I appreciate you have been trying to abide by "let the left hand know what the right hand doeth," but on this occasion you've been caught out.
You criticise the workers for the way they receive donations, yet here we have you with your secretive copycat practices !
Shame on you James. In order to retrieve this situation you need to offer an unreserved apology to Mr Legge, remove his material from your website and return that single donation to the person who donated it.
If you decline to do this I will only read your posts once in the future !
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 11, 2008 18:57:38 GMT -5
Ha Ha HA HA.................ram you cannot help yourself but to read this thread. I dont believe for a moment you can help yourself. I have not been caught out ram and have nothing to hide. If you re-read my post a couple back you will see exactly where I am comeing from and I continue to hold that position.
Oh just one more thing the donation was for the download of my book from a christian friend that I know personaly which means that every single other person who has downloaded my book has not paid a single cent. I wonder who those people are? Quite frankly I dont care, thats between them and their conscience. All I really care about is getting the truth out there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2008 19:03:10 GMT -5
I warned you James. You have not (yet) met my conditions before I re-read any of your posts.
Either you comply, or your contributions just get the once over from me.
Don't take this warning lightly. I mean business.
Just to make sure that you understand how serious I am about this threat, I am giving you 24 hours notice (beginning NOW 0002 hrs UK time) to comply as I have instructed, otherwise I will only read every second line of your posts and only once at that !
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 11, 2008 19:36:56 GMT -5
your embarrising yourself ram, modify your post, save a bit of face, and go to bed, its late!
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Post by shushy on Nov 11, 2008 19:56:18 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by landdownunder on Nov 12, 2008 1:27:38 GMT -5
Just to make sure that you understand how serious I am about this threat, I am giving you 24 hours notice (beginning NOW 0002 hrs UK time) to comply as I have instructed, otherwise I will only read every second line of your posts and only once at that ! I have suspected for some time that James's posts contain hidden code. Reading every second line was a great clue, making perfect sense now ;D
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 12, 2008 3:16:08 GMT -5
hey guys, you watching the price of oil continue to drop?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 3:33:09 GMT -5
Why the blank post James ?
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Post by landdownunder on Nov 12, 2008 4:23:36 GMT -5
exactly!!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 12, 2008 16:34:03 GMT -5
Ariandgabe post 1719 (currently): Oh my goodness, what is all this religious -rap about. Seriously when I read your stuff, I want to vomit, I feel like you are trying to ram all this religious stuff down peoples throat. Sorry, but you have a religious spirit!! Sure sign there are ? marks to the group you belong to. GET REAL AND KEEP IT SIMPLE!! Every time you default to your religious mind set you rob yourself and others of the topic at hand and it does not get addressed as it ought to. Listen you do NOT have to be a christian to know right from wrong. We are all born with a conscience and its that what will convict us. A lot of so called christians are more deceived than non christians who can clearly discern right from wrong!!
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Post by Gene on Nov 13, 2008 0:49:06 GMT -5
Hey Ari, you and I have something in common - we both make jwb want to vomit!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 2:45:38 GMT -5
No I dont have a problem with you Gene but I reckon you know more than most what I am talking about, am I right?
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 15:39:16 GMT -5
Hi Ari, I think I have upset you, really this is not my intention, please dont take offence, if you look at this thread from the beggining (yea I know its too long) you will see countless times where I could have taken offence and all I wanted to do was tell my experience and speak out the truth to help others. I am not trying to be nasty and I hope you can see that my heart is in the right place. (I may have been a little harsh so please forgive me)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2008 18:16:39 GMT -5
Quote - jwbdurston wrote -
thread from the beginning (yea I know its too long) you will see countless times where I could have taken trying to be nasty and I hope you can see that my heart is in the right place. (I may have been a little
Soryy James but I can't make head nor tail of your post. As you can see the 24 hours are up and this is the result of you not doing the decent thing.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 18:22:49 GMT -5
I think one would agree that I have been very nice to you ram and have done my best to understand you. To be honest I do find you a little strange but hey we are all different and I realise that now and am more concerned with the task at hand. I hope this helps you ram and you can forgive me for anything that has hurt you and yes I am looking at your heart motives ram.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2008 18:30:13 GMT -5
James, it's difficult for me to have proper dialogue with you since you have failed to repay donations, apologised to that guy Legge etc within the precribed 24 hours. As promised I can only read every second line that you post. To make it easier for me to understand what you are saying, can you please duplicate every line as you go along ? This might be a way round the current crisis which exists between us.This might help Freespirit too ?
By the way James, you're a good guy. That said I've never been to Berks convention, but then again I forgot to buy a newspaper today (of all days too !).
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 18:39:15 GMT -5
.... lets get real, this is not a religious question. This is about what is right and what is wrong. I don't believe you have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to be able to honestly answer this question. Its not always easy to answer a question like this is it? I'm glad to see agreement from a fundamentalist Christian that a sense of right and wrong, e.g. a moral compass, is dependent neither upon Christian belief nor religion in general. You see the fact is that Gene and his partner know right from wrong. I dont want to hammer them about their homosexuality. Quite frankly the only difference from them and me is that my sins are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. I have in the past said some bold statements to these guys and that is because it appears they flaunt their sexuality before Christian beliefs like a red flag to a bull. Other wise I dont have a problem. The scriptures make it clear in one sense that all sin is sin and we have all fallen short no matter what. While I was in prison talking (actually I was just listening) within a group of men this man and he was hetro sexual said something I have never forgot. He said, "I dont care what any of you say but at one time or another we have all had homosexual thoughts". You could have heard a pin drop.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 13, 2008 18:50:52 GMT -5
You see the fact is that Gene and his partner know right from wrong. jwb, it is the hope of enlightened people everywhere that someday even religious radicals like you will come to accept differences in race, sex, sexual preferences, political affiliation, whatever, and love people as people...that you will, in fact, come to truly recognize right from wrong.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 18:53:56 GMT -5
OK dietcoke, tell me really briefly what (at least in principle) that I cant discern as right from wrong.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 13, 2008 18:59:37 GMT -5
I thought I was clear. Tolerance of different sexual preference from your own is right; proclaiming that God hates fags is wrong.
Just as we are learning about equality and tolerance of women and other races, if we are to grow up, we must also learn to tolerate different sexual preferences. I'm sorry if that means certain scriptural teachings must be abandoned as outdated and immoral.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 13, 2008 19:18:20 GMT -5
Well diet coke you are treading on thin ice here. Its not so much about tolerance, its about what is right and what is wrong and agreeing with the "rule book". No one is saying that God hates fags. I dont make the rules up Dietcoke, God has already done that and I am agreeing with God. Who the ---- do you think you are to tell God what He can do? Your nothing.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 14, 2008 3:05:45 GMT -5
.... lets get real, this is not a religious question. This is about what is right and what is wrong. I don't believe you have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to be able to honestly answer this question. Its not always easy to answer a question like this is it? I'm glad to see agreement from a fundamentalist Christian that a sense of right and wrong, e.g. a moral compass, is dependent neither upon Christian belief nor religion in general. It’s interesting why Gene has gone quiet. You see the fact is that Gene and his friend both know that what they are doing is wrong. However they refused to be closet queens and came out. As time has gone on their consciousness have become even more seared and hardened to the fact they are living in direct sin and its almost unbearable for them to admit what they know deep down. I mean they would feel almost hopeless, what would the alternatives be, its almost too hard really isn't it? Now I am not trying to pick on Gene or his friend, in fact this principle is true right across the board. The good news is that there is an answer and that there is a way and in a little while I will explain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 3:22:04 GMT -5
James, I've found a way of doubling your posts just so that I can read them.
Don't you realise that Jesus sent his disciples out in same sex partnerships ? The consequences of copying this format can be quite startling. Well worth thinking about before you condemn others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 3:58:15 GMT -5
I'm glad to see agreement from a fundamentalist Christian that a sense of right and wrong, e.g. a moral compass, is dependent neither upon Christian belief nor religion in general. It’s interesting why Gene has gone quiet. You see the fact is that Gene and his friend both know that what they are doing is wrong. However they refused to be closet queens and came out. As time has gone on their consciousness have become even more seared and hardened to the fact they are living in direct sin and its almost unbearable for them to admit what they know deep down. I mean they would feel almost hopeless, what would the alternatives be, its almost too hard really isn't it? Now I am not trying to pick on Gene or his friend, in fact this principle is true right across the board. The good news is that there is an answer and that there is a way and in a little while I will explain. While the teaching of Jesus is amazingly quiet on the rights or wrongs of same-sex relationships, it is VERY VERY clear on the evils of self-righteousness and contempt for our fellowmen. I find it quite amazing how the ultra-religious find it so easy to ignore Jesus teaching on these things and so readily adapt the Pharisee mindset instead!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 14, 2008 4:53:02 GMT -5
I CAN ASURE YOU EDGAR THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS TOTALY CLEAR ON THIS SUBJECT AS ANY PERSON THAT KNOWS THE WORD OF GOD WILL VERIFY. IF YOU LIKE I WILL PROVIDE SOME OF THE MANY REFERENCES.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT AT LEAST TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW AND IN THIS CASE MY FRIEND YOU ARE IN WILLFUL IGNORANCE!!
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