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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 7, 2008 1:31:17 GMT -5
Well they are not just discovering new planets, they are discovering complete new galaxies. These telescope things they have got like the hubble (being repaired at mo I think) and others are giveing unbelievable insights. You cant believe what governments tell you and then there is an awful lot they wont tell you. Once we realise this is and has been an undeniable fact it will unlock our minds a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 4:52:08 GMT -5
I don't buy into many conspiracy things - particularly space ones. You just can't hide what is seen in space. Too many government people want to believe in little green men. Recall Clinton rushing to announce they found Martian life in that meteorite. But... discovering many new galaxies doesn't mean much - there are billions and billions of them.
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Post by landdownunder on Nov 7, 2008 5:43:01 GMT -5
I've wondered if there wasn't a nation stockpiling Atomic Bomb capabilities Israel. I have got information which I will be posting in the next day or two that backs up what I am saying about this rouge planet that is comeing into our solar system and the terible effects it will have....you see the elite dont care how many people die, they actually want a mass reduction in population anyway. This is just out of this world! Jim you've lost me. Believe it if you like. I can guarantee you that it's dreamtime stuff.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 7, 2008 6:15:41 GMT -5
...well there is a difference between a conspiracy and an agenda. I don't have a problem with what you say, obviously this stuff isn't for you. At least like my parents and myself we do agree that this world is in the worst mess and you did a great job of listing those things.
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Post by landdownunder on Nov 7, 2008 6:31:12 GMT -5
Yes the world's a mess but when hasn't it been? It's a lot better now than in the dark ages. At least in the sense that I wouldn't swap my life today for my equivalent back then. When even a bible to read wasn't the norm. And what about our Christian brothers and sisters who lived through the Roman persecutions (AD 60 on). I suspect for them that they couldn't imagine a worse time, ergo the end must have been just around the corner. But things have gone on for nearly another 2000 years, and I dare say they will continue with all sorts of warnings including God 'giving us over' in judgement, until the time of Jesus' return. www.churchhistory101.com/century2.phpLikely in the immediate years before his return, there will be an increase in signs. In the sense of Jesus' warning to 'consider the fig tree'. We need to heed the words of Jesus, to "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matthew 24) and to "watch therefore". I appreciate your encouragement to do as Jesus said, this time of grace will end abruptly one day. And then the promised judgements.
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Post by Sharon on Nov 7, 2008 10:19:12 GMT -5
Yes the world's a mess but when hasn't it been? It's a lot better now than in the dark ages. At least in the sense that I wouldn't swap my life today for my equivalent back then. When even a bible to read wasn't the norm. And what about our Christian brothers and sisters who lived through the Roman persecutions (AD 60 on). I suspect for them that they couldn't imagine a worse time, ergo the end must have been just around the corner. But things have gone on for nearly another 2000 years, and I dare say they will continue with all sorts of warnings including God 'giving us over' in judgement, until the time of Jesus' return. www.churchhistory101.com/century2.phpLikely in the immediate years before his return, there will be an increase in signs. In the sense of Jesus' warning to 'consider the fig tree'. We need to heed the words of Jesus, to "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matthew 24) and to "watch therefore". I appreciate your encouragement to do as Jesus said, this time of grace will end abruptly one day. And then the promised judgements. You said " But things have gone on for nearly another 2000 years" made me think what it says in the Bible where a year is as a day to God and a day as a year to God.....it comes to me and has come to me that what this means that when God sees all things lining up in the right prospective(from His point of view, of couse,) then He'll set the next steps in order until they line up as He sees it need be then more steps are set forth until all is accomplished as the Bible has prophesied. But then that's JMHOP!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 8, 2008 19:11:09 GMT -5
what is JMHOP?
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Post by mod1 on Nov 8, 2008 21:32:24 GMT -5
JMHOP could mean: "Just my honest opinion" ?
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Post by Sharon on Nov 8, 2008 21:43:19 GMT -5
Or just my humble opinion....as I'm not highly educated to really say and I'm certainly not in God's counsel, so to speak! Thank you!
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 10, 2008 0:43:34 GMT -5
Abria Nevridge (sounds like) one of the men sent by the state dept USA to Sadam Hussein Feb March 1990 and said to Sadam, “if you invade Kuwaiti we will do nothing about it”. It was a trap, it was a set up. Sadam did not know it. Sadam had to be destroyed because he wouldn’t sign the dotted line, that’s the only reason. Kuwait used to be part of Iraq. August 1st 1990 Sadam invaded. Who came down on him? All president Bush senior wanted was an excuse to invade Iraq to get back at him because Sadam was not willing to sign on the dotted line in the days of Kissinger who wanted world wide control of oil. Iran was the second nation that would not sign on the dotted line. Its not nuclear, that was just an excuse…
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Post by rational on Nov 10, 2008 5:26:48 GMT -5
Man has treated his fellow man way worse than animals have treated their fellow animals. Did you ever watch a cat with a mouse? I think all animals are equal, including men.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 10, 2008 18:33:39 GMT -5
Hey guys, and please dont be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very succesfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do?
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 10, 2008 18:39:23 GMT -5
Hey guys, and please dont be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very succesfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do? Not really; I distance myself from the government. I'm not ashamed to be called a Christian, given the atrocities Christians have done & the hatred we see even on this board; I'm not ashamed to be called a human even given the atrocities humans have shown to be capable of. We just do what we can where we are, and try to make things better in whatever artificial groups we find ourselves belonging to.
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 10, 2008 21:15:09 GMT -5
Jesse-Lackman wrote: I read an article a couple weeks ago that described an interview with a government agent that had infiltrated the Ayers / Weather Underground movement. This man was in a room with about 25 of those people and said it was amazing to hear them talk about their plans to take the US to communism, and how to liquidate the 25 million Americans they thought would not be willing to be re-educated. What was stunning to him was that those 25 people all had advanced degrees from the best universities - they were the intellectually elite - and were discussing the murder of 25 million of their fellow Americans. The point was made that 25 "Joe the Plumbers" in a room would not think that way.
Interesting article to say the least.
Most of us here are on that execution list, but then again, any country who does not have The Bible as their foundation are always planing to wipe out their fellow man. It is just the way it has been for a long time, especially with those that call themselves Christian.
There is only TWO WAYS before you man, one is with God and the road is the Bible, the other is with Satan and the road is every religious book OTHER then the Bible.
Satan wants ONE thing, and that is to have us kill each other so he could take his revenge on God for casting him out of heaven. (We were created in the image of God, do you think that he would EVER tolerate anyone who resembles the one who cast him out of heaven? But yet people are so BLIND not to even see that.)
WHY can't people see this? Satan rewards those that listen to his lies, he rewards them with temporary worldly wealth which he knows you will not enjoy since the 'enjoyment' part comes from God. And since God did not reward you with the wealth, you are left feeling empty.
We try to fill that emptiness with whatever Satan tells us, like doing drugs, killing our fellow man, all sorts of sexual perversion, and then he asks God for permission to finish us off.
Look at all the rich and famous, they are the most screwed up people on the face of the earth, and yet people worship them, everyone just ignores that these poor lost souls are not happy. Even when they have it all, they are in misery, they are actors, they can hide whats inside real good. (until you see their bones sticking out from pictures that the Paparazzi so gladly revealed for all to see. But people just say; 'Oh, .. my, my, look Timmy, a walking skeleton.')
So yes, since this country of ours has made up its mind to worship homosexuality-yet it causes the AIDS, adultery-that causes abortion, greed-that causes to murder your fellow man, and all the other abominations mentioned NOT TO TAKE part in, we are once again ripe and ready to kill each other;
2 Thess 2:7 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. NKJV
And that is; 'until the number of the gentiles are fulfilled' and then all those so called Christians will line up to get their 'number of the beast' stamped on their hands and foreheads all in the name of LOVE and PEACE. They will HATE anyone who oppose this New World Order, since it tolerates not only the sinner but the sin with it. And once you love the 'sin' you will love EVERYONE without any prejudice, or it will sound like and even look like that for a very short time (like 3 1/2 years)
But listen to the next verses:
2 Thess 2:9-12 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Get it Rational, Gene, Ghost, Dietcoke and the rest of you who just HATE the truth? But look what the Lord has done to you:
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. NKJV
But remember this, that even if you DO join with Satan and his gang, he will turn every one of you against each other with paranoia, fear, suspicion, there are more then 35% of those who think are on the "With Us" side who are numbered amongst the ones being terminated "Against Us". I mean hey, who are you going to trust?
It is like a 'Jealous couple', even if the 'partner' has NEVER done anything to cause suspicion, they are never trusted.
It's a repeat of history, as EVERYONE keeps saying, and yet it repeats itself (funny) I read it somewhere that at the end of the Cold-War, Romania had ONE out of TWO people spying on each other. There is NO sides with Satan, everyone, that is ALL humanity is his target. He'll use you to kill a thousand, and then puts the 'suspicion' bug in your partners ear and POW, one wrong look and you're dead. This is Satan's version of; 'love one another as I have loved you' and since he NEVER really loved you, it just look like it; with a position here, a lottery there, a one night stand with the pretty secretary, but is that truly love?
To love the sin as much as the sinner, is that truly love? Wow, so much LOVE in this world, how is it that so many go hungry to bed, I just don't understand?
Wake Up. Matt 10:28 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. NKJV
FEAR GOD!
Heb 13:5-6 5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." 6 So we may boldly say:
"The LORD is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?" NKJV
Rev 2:10-11 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."' NKJV
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Post by ilylo on Nov 10, 2008 21:18:09 GMT -5
Hey guys, and please dont be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very succesfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do? Are you ashamed to be paranoid?
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 10, 2008 22:06:32 GMT -5
but then again, any country who does not have The Bible as their foundation are always planing to wipe out their fellow man. ;D ;D ;D You may wish to bone up a little on your Christian history That's funny, ariandgabe. Our biggest problem with the Bible seems to be its blatant disregard for truth...which would simply not be a problem, were it not for fanatics like you who are determined to interpret the bible literally.
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 10, 2008 23:15:43 GMT -5
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Today at 9:15pm, ariandgabe wrote:but then again, any country who does not have The Bible as their foundation are always planing to wipe out their fellow man.
You may wish to bone up a little on your Christian history
Once again: CHRISTIANS DO NOT KILL CHRISTIANS, THEY JUST LOVE THEM TILL DEATH.
That goes also for Cristian History, the Pope, the so-Called Christians who kill other so-called Christians, and just about everywhere the WORD Christian comes up now days in magazines, TV shows, comedy shows about the Bible and Christianity, Books like; 'The year of living Biblically' are NOT even close interpretations of what is Christian. Christian is Christ-Like, and those are not even close.
Hey, about those people who take the Bible literally, tell me who you think they are (other then the few here on TMB) so I/we can hook up with them. You see, they are parts of our church.
(I wonder how many here on TMB agree with EVERYTHING I believe and interpret in/on the Bible?)
Thanks Dietcoke.
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 10, 2008 23:36:06 GMT -5
That's funny, ariandgabe. Our biggest problem with the Bible seems to be its blatant disregard for truth...which would simply not be a problem, were it not for fanatics like you who are determined to interpret the bible literally.
The Bible has a "blatant disregard for truth"? Oh my goodness Dietcoke, quickly look on the cover of the 'bible' you think you are reading, if the title reads any of the following: 'Koran, Book of Mormon, Mine Kompf, The Satanic Bible' it is NOT the HOLY BIBLE.
Put it down and go buy a Bible, you will find it NEXT to those books I mentioned in a so-called Christian-Book Store. You see, they carry everything and you probably just made a mistake and picked up the wrong book. Now read IT and you will see that it is a BOOK of ETERNAL TRUTHS.
An honest mistake commonly made by many visiting todays Christian Book Stores. (Hate to see what a Satanic Bookstore carries!)
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Nov 11, 2008 1:01:46 GMT -5
You're right, ariandgabe, I came on a little strong. My wording was offensive.
You are so far off in one direction, it tends to push me too far the other way in order to balance things. There is surely a proper balance between religious fanaticism and complete disregard when it comes to believing in the Bible.
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Post by jwbdurston on Nov 11, 2008 4:25:48 GMT -5
Hey guys, and please dont be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very succesfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do? .... lets get real, this is not a religious question. This is about what is right and what is wrong. I don't believe you have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to be able to honestly answer this question. Its not always easy to answer a question like this is it?
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Post by Gene on Nov 11, 2008 6:43:26 GMT -5
Hey guys, and please dont be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very succesfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do? .... lets get real, this is not a religious question. This is about what is right and what is wrong. I don't believe you have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to be able to honestly answer this question. Its not always easy to answer a question like this is it? I'm glad to see agreement from a fundamentalist Christian that a sense of right and wrong, e.g. a moral compass, is dependent neither upon Christian belief nor religion in general.
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Nov 11, 2008 7:59:40 GMT -5
Do I like what goes on? Do I condone what goes on? No, do I think things should change? Sure, but tell me of any government that is perfect. To me that is like some who come on here searching for the "perfect church" or "perfect way". Do I judge other Christians because there are problems in the churches they are attending...well, I try not to, (to be honest,..I am sure some here would jump on me if I said no, I tend to get a little hot under the collar in regards to a certain church called by some the "Truth"!) Are some better than others, sure. Governments and churches. But am I ashamed to be an American...No.
(please don't bash me and list all the issues, I am aware of them)
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 11, 2008 10:15:43 GMT -5
Hey, about those people who take the Bible literally, tell me who you think they are (other then the few here on TMB) so I/we can hook up with them. You see, they are parts of our church.
Hi there, Personally, I have NEVER met a Christian who takes ALL of the Bible literally, and I am thankful for that, or they would ALL be without arms and feet. Common sense does help to explain verses which would be VERY detrimental if taken LITERALLY. It is common for us to protect and "worship" the Bible or a fellowship group or anything else "christian", that can so easily be twisted and used as a tool of the enemy, AGAINST the TRUTH (Jesus), instead of what those "tools" should be used for - to point TO the TRUTH (JESUS)
Alvin
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 11, 2008 11:05:34 GMT -5
jwbdurston Quote: Yesterday at 6:33pm, jwbdurston wrote:Hey guys, and please don't be offended when I ask you this question. I love Americans but hate the governments that have very successfully deceived her people. My question is this: Are you ashamed to be an American in the light and reveleation of the awful atrocities the US of America has commited and continues to do? .... lets get real, this is not a religious question. This is about what is right and what is wrong. I don't believe you have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to be able to honestly answer this question. Its not always easy to answer a question like this is it?
I have to disagree on that Jwbdurston, it is very much a religious question, the people who are most involved are VERY religious. It is 'sacrifice' to their bloodthirsty gods, is what it is and has always been.
There is NOTHING on this earth that happens without the influence of religion, especially in politics, world domination, etc.
I was talking to my sister about what happened to me growing up, and after she started lying, I asked her; 'are you a Christian?' and she would not answer. I asked her again and again, until she said: 'What does God have to do with all this? Can't you leave God out just once? Of-course I'm a Christian!'
You see, why was it so hard for her to answer something she mentions so often and so proudly?
This is the same with politics, they carry the MASK my dear friend Ilylo shows regarding the 2X2's as the 'Truth'. Yeah,.. right, religion has nothing to do with it. How can so-called Christians VOTE without having their religion influence their choice?
Wait, you ARE right. Religion does NOT have anything to do with it, well, not the Christian religion anyways. And now you know why things are the way they are. When you leave God out of it, and put Him in a 'neutral' position (as some here believe) we are FREE to make our decisions without His 'judgmental' influence.
I mean God is very emotional, as Oprah said; 'I sure wouldn't put my trust in a God who is jealous and gets angry all the time!'
This is why she felt the need to once again bring the world a NEW concept (because it's new to her) without all those 'negative' passions the Christian God has. He GURU teaches only LOVE. It is this LOVE that will attempt to wipe 25 million Americans off the face of the earth. Well, you know, to preserve this love for the REST of mankind, you understand don't you? This is why she helped our new president into office, because he understands the 'need' to wipe out those that oppose this 'LOVE' and tolerance to ALL mankind!!!!!
OK, I hope you see that religion IS a part of it, a very HUGE part.
OR, just put your 'Ilylo mask' on and pretend religion has NOTHING to do with it and I want to hear your answers.
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Post by ariandgabe on Nov 11, 2008 13:56:30 GMT -5
Quote: Slowtosee Hey, about those people who take the Bible literally, tell me who you think they are (other then the few here on TMB) so I/we can hook up with them. You see, they are parts of our church.Hi there,
Personally, I have NEVER met a Christian who takes ALL of the Bible literally, and I am thankful for that, or they would ALL be without arms and feet. Common sense does help to explain verses which would be VERY detrimental if taken LITERALLY. It is common for us to protect and "worship" the Bible or a fellowship group or anything else "Christian", that can so easily be twisted and used as a tool of the enemy, AGAINST the TRUTH (Jesus), instead of what those "tools" should be used for - to point TO the TRUTH (JESUS)
AlvinThank you Alvin, and once again I am inclined to answer in defense of my Saviors Words. Matt 24:35 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. NKJV You were referring to: Matt 5:29-30 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. NKJVIf you were a minister in todays Christian Mega-church, after you would have said those seemingly words of wisdom, or let's just say common sense, your audience would break out in a chuckle, and maybe you would even get a little applause. They would readjust their bottoms in the comfortable seats and with an Ilylo smile, and a sigh think to themselves: "heh, .. that Jesus sure was a character; '.. if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off!' yeah.. right." But here is the truth about this, IT IS to be taken literally, and if YOU don't cut your hand off and just keep on sinning, someone else WILL. I'm sure you know that almost ALL the Islamic Countries practice; www.apostatesofislam.com/media/handcutting.htmBut how about in our 'modern Christian countries'? We are not this cruel anymore are we? I mean Jesus was just joking, right? No. He was just renewing, 'fulfilling' the 'eye-for-an-eye' command in the Old Testament. Because Jesus knew that as time passed Jews did not practice this command that was supposed to put fear into the people to keep them from committing sin, and so it was only done to a selected few, mostly the poor and to those who actually needed to steal to keep their families fed. The rich and those in authority were almost never punished this way. By the time Jesus came on the scene, the stoning and other practices were almost non-existent. Jesus was NOT talking about PUNISHMENT AFTER someone has sinned, but was teaching us how to stop sinning before it STARTS: Matt 5:27-28 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. NKJVWe are to do whatever is in our power to stop sinning, and if we cannot stop stealing or hurting and abusing our spouse/children, YES Jesus meant that we should cut off our hand. "But it's so cruel" you might say, forgetting how many INNOCENT have been hanged, electrocuted, and put to a horrible sleeping death under the watchful eyes of so-called Christian witnesses. So which is better? To be put to death, or cut off your arm to stop sinning so that your whole body not be cast into hell?And you know what, I have a feeling that people would stop stealing, beating and torturing their wife and kids waaaaay before they would put the knife to one their extremities. So your assumption that there would be a lot of people walking around without legs and arms is unrealistic to say the least. How many Christian women do you know who have removed their reproductive organs so they would not get pregnant and be forced into having an abortion, murdering their baby? See what I mean, even though Christians know that murder is punishable by eternal hell fire and torment, no one would EVEN think of doing such a thing. But I believe there were eunichs who had castrated themselves for the Kingdoms sake as Jesus mentioned, how wonderful a practice that would be if it remained until now. How many abortions, child rapes, and even murders would be avoided by such noble deed. There are some things I would like to understand better in the Bible, like Revelations, many of it is still not clear to me. or 'burning in hell forever and ever' is also something I would like to understand better. So let us seek until we FIND. In Jesus name.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 11, 2008 14:51:12 GMT -5
Thank you for your explanation of why we do not LITERALLY cut off our limbs when they offend us or others. Was there not also a verse stating our eyes also should be removed if an offense? I know of no Christian who could honestly say their eye had NEVER offended them, and therefore had the right to not follow the literal command of putting out his eyes. Do you personally know anyone that has done any of the above? I don't, but I know some that have afflicted themselves with much emotional and even physical pain and endurance , which I did not understand Jesus to teach. There is enough problems and afflictions without us deliberately and physically beating up on ourselves, trying to please an "angry" God. Thanks for not "flaming" me in my disagreement on taking ALL of the Bible LITERALLY.~~~~~~~~ Alvin
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 11, 2008 14:52:58 GMT -5
UH, DUH , on me about the verse on the eye removal. You quoted it and I'm sorry for my incomprehensive reading. Thanks again Alvin
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Nov 11, 2008 15:45:18 GMT -5
I believe you can take the bible literally if you apply the practice of "rightly dividing". If you don't rightly divide, then of course some scriptures make little or no sense. Context, context, context.
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